New Smash Bros for WiiU

[PsychoIncarnate]

I'd say Palutena was like the peach of that series, but she's more like his mother that he's in love with

 

[Starphoenix]

If Magnus is not an important character, then the Kid Icarus newcomer will most likely be Medusa (or possibly Palutena). I could see Palutena possibly being part of a codec like system for Pit (like Snake) where she gives advice about the people he is fighting.

As to Starphoenix's suggestion about the roster only having 47 (or 48 slots including the random icon), such a set up could allow Pokemon to get away with six slots....

Rat's, I did forget about the random icon. People seem to think I'm crazy for suggesting it, but really why not? People don't want Lucario cut, people want Mewtwo back, and it is inevitable we are going to get a recent character. Of whom I believe will be Either Victini or N w/ Zoroark. Then everyone is happy and Sakurai is allowed to pad the roster.

I've stated this before but I don't think anybody really listened to it. Mewtwo has been planned for every iteration of Smash Bros, yet was only playable in one. Which tells me Sakurai's intention has been for him to be a staple. For whatever reason that one character just seems to be the victim of the most misfortune.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I'd say Palutena was like the peach of that series, but she's more like his mother that he's in love with

Yea, Palutena seems like she would help and support Pit, this is why I'd like to see Medusa since her purpose is more likely to take down Pit, it would at least make an interesting storyline if it was shown in adventure mode.

 

[Deleted member]

...It's really hard for me to see where you're coming from on this. Universal rosters are typically considered a GOOD thing. Especially now that handhelds are capable of handling it! And it's freaking Smash! DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT SALES.

The original eight starters, and that's being a bit generous, are the only characters that could even make sales in the first place (not including third-party characters).

I don't think many people want a next-gen console to be compared to a handheld that is more powerful then the Wii but is misinterpreted to be around Gamecube strength.

Rat's, I did forget about the random icon. People seem to think I'm crazy for suggesting it, but really why not? People don't want Lucario cut, people want Mewtwo back, and it is inevitable we are going to get a recent character. Of whom I believe will be Either Victini or N w/ Zoroark. Then everyone is happy and Sakurai is allowed to pad the roster.

I've stated this before but I don't think anybody really listened to it. Mewtwo has been planned for every iteration of Smash Bros, yet was only playable in one. Which tells me Sakurai's intention has been for him to be a staple. For whatever reason that one character just seems to be the victim of the most misfortune.

I actually love the idea of six Pokemon slots. It would keep fans happy and avoid a fall-out like Brawl caused with Mewtwo's removal.

You also have a good point with the last paragraph. With recent events showing that Mewtwo gets large demands worldwide, I'm starting to consider Mewtwo more likely to return then Lucario and it shows that Sakurai doesn't want Mewtwo out, he just didn't find a way to put Mewtwo in 64 or Brawl. If Mewtwo truly does return for SSB4 and there is six slots, I think he is staying for good.

 

[Oasis_S]

So in the same vein, wouldn't people WANT a handheld to be compared to a next-gen console? Wouldn't that be impressive? If they both have 50 characters, what's the problem. 3DS is without a doubt capable, and WiiU is so capable it's obnoxious.

There's like, no fuss.

And comparing them by the number of characters is silly to begin with.

 

[Channighan]

GameCube is amazing. I win.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I don't think many people want a next-gen console to be compared to a handheld that is more powerful then the Wii but is misinterpreted to be around Gamecube strength.

The number of characters on the roster isn't going to be limited by the strength of the wii-u, I assure you that

It's not about the handheld being comparable with the same amount of characters

 

[Shorts]

I've stated this before but I don't think anybody really listened to it. Mewtwo has been planned for every iteration of Smash Bros, yet was only playable in one. Which tells me Sakurai's intention has been for him to be a staple. For whatever reason that one character just seems to be the victim of the most misfortune.

When did we decide Pokemon Trainer is a Staple character? Does anyone else think he's up for at least a generation change?

The argument that it would be bad to compare the Wii U to the 3DS is pretty much the silliest thing I've ever heard.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

When did we decide Pokemon Trainer is a Staple character? Does anyone else think he's up for at least a generation change?

The argument that it would be bad to compare the Wii U to the 3DS is pretty much the silliest thing I've ever heard.

Red's been in more pokemon games than any other character

 

[Oasis_S]

The Kanto starters are probably some of the most famous Pokemon ever, specifically Charizard. You could maybe switch the other two without much of a fuss...


FUSS.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

The Kanto starters are probably some of the most famous Pokemon ever, specifically Charizard. You could maybe switch the other two without much of a fuss...


FUSS.

The squirtle line are my favorite pokemon in the series.

To be honest, I'd rather they replace charizard with Blastoise and Ivysaur with Wartortle

 

[Oasis_S]

Don't be silly. Charmeleon is the STRONGEST IN THE WHOLE WORLD.

 

[Shorts]

Red's been in more pokemon games than any other character

I don't really see that as any sort of reason for keeping him around. I mean, Ethan has been in one less than him. Pokemon Trainers pretty much change like the seasons. I see no reason for smash to be immune to this idea. The only argument I can see is that Charizard is one of the most popular Pokemon ever . . .

 

[Kantrip]

A Pokemon that flat out dies from a bit of rain? Pffffft!

 

[OmegaXXII]

Red's been in more pokemon games than any other character

Exactly!!

That's why he is the most iconic trainer around, maybe not the most deserving but popular at best.

 

[Deleted member]

So in the same vein, wouldn't people WANT a handheld to be compared to a next-gen console? Wouldn't that be impressive? If they both have 50 characters, what's the problem. 3DS is without a doubt capable, and WiiU is so capable it's obnoxious.

There's like, no fuss.

And comparing them by the number of characters is silly to begin with.

Yes but people are not going to see it as an impressive accomplishment, those uninformed about this idea will assume that it would have gotten more characters had they not decided to do this even though due to balancing issues that more may not be possible.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Just have Mewtwo within Giovanni in case things don't work out as being a solo character, just sayin' as a back-up plan.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I don't really see that as any sort of reason for keeping him around. I mean, Ethan has been in one less than him. Pokemon Trainers pretty much change like the seasons. I see no reason for smash to be immune to this idea. The only argument I can see is that Charizard is one of the most popular Pokemon ever . . .

Red:
Pokemon Red, Blue, Green, Yellow, Pokemon Stadium 1, Pokemon Stadium 2, Gold, Silver, Fire Red, Leaf Green, Soul Silver, Heart Gold, Crystal

Gold:
Pokemon Silver, Gold, Pokemon Stadium 2, Soul Silver, Heart Gold, Crystal

 

[Oasis_S]

If you just want to switch trainers, alternate color model swaps would work nicely. I still think Red should be the default though...

 

[OmegaXXII]

Don't be silly. Charmeleon is the STRONGEST IN THE WHOLE WORLD.

NO U!!!

Everybody knows Aerodactyl beats him, just look at the Pokemon Anime!!

Blastoise would be perfect for Blue if he ever got considered.

 

[Starphoenix]

When did we decide Pokemon Trainer is a Staple character? Does anyone else think he's up for at least a generation change?

Considering Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard are considered three of the most popular Pokémon in the entire series I don't think that is a very high probability. If at the very least I don't see Charizard going anywhere.

 

[OmegaXXII]

They should definetly get rid of Pokemon Trainers "stamina" trait, it's annoying when I just want to play with Squirtle. :-/

 

[Shorts]

Red:
Pokemon Red, Blue, Green, Yellow, Pokemon Stadium 1, Pokemon Stadium 2, Gold, Silver, Fire Red, Leaf Green, Soul Silver, Heart Gold

Gold:
Pokemon Silver, Gold, Pokemon Stadium 2, Soul Silver, Heart Gold

I definitely was thinking soley the main series.

I see the Pokemon Trainer as nothing more than a vessel for Pokemon of different regions to finally get into Smash. You look at him as if he is added because he's the most popular, while I just see him as a phase (Like everything Pokemon related in Smash is).

The first generation doesn't need six out of seven Pokemon. Seriously. It's kind of rediculous for Smash to ignore every other generation.

 

[Oasis_S]

Yes but people are not going to see it as an impressive accomplishment, those uninformed about this idea will assume that it would have gotten more characters had they not decided to do this even though due to balancing issues that more may not be possible.

Who are these people and why do I care. The sales aren't going to be effected by them. They're silly gooses to begin with anyhow.

The VAST MAJORITY of people who buy either version will think "Oh, a new Smash!"

Boom.

Sale.


I mean, we're the hardcore fans, and we know that's silly. The casual fans just aren't going to give a damn either way.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Red is more than a phase, he represents Pokemon alot and has always been iconic, he's the alter ego of Ash.

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

Not to mention that no one else does what PT does.

 

[Shorts]

Red is more than a phase, he represents Pokemon alot and has always been iconic, he's the alter ego of Ash.

*rolls eyes* slow down turbo. I know he's popular and all. Just look:

Generation 1: Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Ivysaur, Squirtle, Charizard

Gen 2: Pichu

Gen 3: None

Gen 4: Lucario

It's not like the first generation is the only Popular generation. Ruby/Sapphire sold a hell of a lot of games as well. Pokemon is a collective game, based on many installments of new Pokemon, all of which are insanely popular.

It doesn't make sense to just have the first series because "It's the most popular and came first!"

 

[Starphoenix]

*rolls eyes* slow down turbo. I know he's popular and all. Just look:

Generation 1: Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Mewtwo, Ivysaur, Squirtle, Charizard

Gen 2: Pichu

Gen 3: None

Gen 4: Lucario

It's not like the first generation is the only Popular generation. Ruby/Sapphire sold a hell of a lot of games as well. Pokemon is a collective game, based on many series, all of which are insanely popular.

It doesn't make sense to just have the first series because "It's the most popular!"

Problem one, you see things in terms of representation. You forget, the Pokéballs are a form of representation too you know?

I never thought I'd find a series weirder than Warioware. After looking at Rythym Heaven Wii I think I take it back...

 

[Oasis_S]

Sootopolis City for Gen 3 rep.

 

[OmegaXXII]

A Pokemon that flat out dies from a bit of rain? Pffffft!

Says who?? Charizard is still regarded iconic, beating out Deoxys and Blazakin, heck even Typlosion.

 

[Shorts]

Problem one, you see things in terms of representation. You forget, the Pokéballs are a form of representation too you know?

Over fifteen million copies of RSE bought is worthy of much much more than a Pokeball and a Boss.

How should I look at Pokemon?

Sorry for flamming, I just hate when the games are compared with the cartoon

I do too, but when it comes to Smash, the anime has a LOT to do with who gets in, unfortunetly.

 

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Red is more than a phase, he represents Pokemon alot and has always been iconic, he's the alter ego of Ash.

I'm back for a Pokemon debate.

Also I find comparing Red to Ash an insult. Red is awesome and is the true main character of the Pokemon series, he also came 1st. Ash is a bad rip off and is only the face of the cartoon that has ruined the face of the Pokemon franchise.

Either way, Red should stay and if people don't like it just make the other trainers alternate costumes.

Sorry for flamming, I just hate when the games are compared with the cartoon.

 

[Deleted member]

Who are these people and why do I care. The sales aren't going to be effected by them. They're silly gooses to begin with anyhow.

The VAST MAJORITY of people who buy either version will think "Oh, a new Smash!"

Boom.

Sale.


I mean, we're the hardcore fans, and we know that's silly. The casual fans just aren't going to give a damn either way.

Yes I am talking about the core gamers, which make up more of the Smash community then they do for most Nintendo series. A major mistake could cost them dearly and unless they try to put in damage control to PROVE that universal roster will not limit what we get overall, it will probably cause a huge uproar in the community. Remember, the Nintendo fan base is very sensitive about stuff they don't like and fans who aren't fan boys don't let Nintendo get away with a mistake.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Yes I am talking about the core gamers, which make up more of the Smash community then they do for most Nintendo series. A major mistake could cost them dearly and unless they try to put in damage control to PROVE that universal roster will not limit what we get overall, it will probably cause a huge uproar in the community. Remember, the Nintendo fan base is very sensitive about stuff they don't like and fans who aren't fan boys don't let Nintendo get away with a mistake.

Limiting one version (Unless you expect the wii-u version to have an insane amount of characters) even though it can hold them IS a mistake

 

[Starphoenix]

Over fifteen million copies of RSE bought is worthy of much much more than a Pokeball and a Boss.

How should I look at Pokemon?

Well for starters don't think that just because we don't have a second generation or third generation playable character that they are "under represented".

I do too, but when it comes to Smash, the anime has a LOT to do with who gets in, unfortunetly.

Sadly this is true...

 

[OmegaXXII]

I'm back for a Pokemon debate.

Also I find comparing Red to Ash an insult. Red is awesome and is the true main character of the Pokemon series, he also came 1st. Ash is a bad rip off and is only the face of the cartoon that has ruined the face of the Pokemon franchise.

Either way, Red should stay and if people don't like it just make the other trainers alternate costumes.

Sorry for flamming, I just hate when the games are compared with the cartoon.

Hey don't sweat it, I was actually defending Red and was trying to give him more crediability, didn't necessarly mean to compare those two.

 

[OmegaXXII]

And also why was Meowth even considered in SSB64? Obviously was considered due to the anime at the time. :/

 

[Shorts]

Well for starters don't think that just because we don't have a second generation or third generation playable character that they are "under represented".



Sadly this is true...

I do, and I also think that the First Generation is by far "over represented". You can give me the whole speech on how it was the first series, it started it all and blah blah blah but I don't care. That doesn't mean other generations should be ignored. At least Pichu and Lucario had a shot. The third generation (One of the most groundbreaking generations in Pokemon) hasn't gotten squat.

I very much do consider them to be under represented.

 

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I do too, but when it comes to Smash, the anime has a LOT to do with who gets in, unfortunetly.

Very sad indeed. Too bad the manga only gets involved with the costumes, as I would love to see Mewtwo back with his Spoon Sword. Plus unlike the cartoon, at least the manga references Smash.

Even Pokemon's creator, Satoshi Tajiri, prefers the manga over the anime.

Although, I don't quite hate the anime completely, it did give us good choices for Smash characters, except for PT as he's based off Red instead of Ash.

 

[Deleted member]

Limiting one version (Unless you expect the wii-u version to have an insane amount of characters) even though it can hold them IS a mistake

Limiting the 3DS version to a 30-40 character roster isn't going to upset many core/casual gamers when they can find other ways to market the game to them. They will accept a 45+ roster on the Wii-U a lot more if it isn't being compared to the 3DS version whereas having both at 45-50, while very solid, will have people wondering how many more characters would have been playable if there was no universal roster.