New Smash Bros for WiiU

[MechaWave]

In reality, I would like to see a moveset in which Paper Mario utilizes his various [partners? Whatever they're called], possibly as a down special that switches which one he has active. Then his neutral B would be augmented by whichever partner he has active.

Examples: That koopa guy (man it's been a while since I've played these games) - Throw a shell
That purple chick from TTD - Hover on her cloud thing
That punk yoshi - Ride a yoshi that runs fast (similar to wario's bike)

Side B doesn't need to be hammer, that's generic enough to be in his smashes and other standard attacks.

UP B doesn't have to be paper airplane, it could be a glide although that would be aesthetically awkward.

Dude. LOOK AT MY MOVESET. It is what you're seeking. o_o His B/Side-B/Up-B are partners and Down-B is based on Badges.

@Oasis: While I understand what you're saying I don't think it'd flesh out well at all.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Master Rapier! Are you dead serious that Paper Mario is unoriginal!!!! ? O_O

 

[MechaWave]

Master Rapier! Are you dead serious that Paper Mario is unoriginal!!!! ? O_O

He just doesn't want anymore Mario characters while Sakurai will obviously add one more just for the fact is: he can.

 

[Oasis_S]

@Oasis: While I understand what you're saying I don't think it'd flesh out well at all.

Indeed, so Bowser Jr. for Sm4sh. :3

@popsofctown: G&W is a great use of a slot, and Paper Mario couldn't replace him. Paper Mario would be a flat 3D character while G&W is completely 2D. It doesn't sound like much of a difference, but it would be very noticeable in presentation.

 

[popsofctown]

I'd like to see Paper Mario replace G&W. I love G&W, but no one has played any of his games and he's not honestly a great use of a slot. Paper mario could be the fun two dimensional character instead with a nostalgic moveset

 

[MechaWave]

Indeed, so Bowser Jr. for Sm4sh. :3

I'd like to see Bowser Jr. too. His little fire ball would be ohso silly. :3 But Paper Mario for sure. I don't care about anyone else.

 

[Kantrip]

I did look at your moveset. Just, after I posted

It's a really good and well thought-out moveset, but I feel with the badges AND the partners it complicates the character quite a bit more than necessary. The partners are more unique and can bring more to the character, while being exclusive to the series. The badges, however, are in more RPG games than just the Paper Mario series.

 

[OmegaXXII]

@pops: Why not have both? They wouldn't be clones at all!! Enough said!!

 

[Kantrip]

inb4 berserker

 

[OmegaXXII]

Uh, why so, Toad referance??

 

[Starphoenix]

I had Toad in my hypothetical reveal trailer script I wrote out.

 

[Oasis_S]

I had Toad in my hypothetical reveal trailer script I wrote out.

Which is why your idea smells.

 

[CalvinWars]

I'd like to see Paper Mario replace G&W. I love G&W, but no one has played any of his games and he's not honestly a great use of a slot. Paper mario could be the fun two dimensional character instead with a nostalgic moveset

I don't think they're gonna replace a character that has been in two smash games and represents most if not all of nintendo's early history. Also, he's unique. After the backlash Sakurai got for cutting Mewtwo (a unique character) I don't think he would risk that again.

 

[Starphoenix]

Which is why your idea smells.

See for yourself:

[COLLAPSE="E3 Trailer concept"]
It's E3, Reggie is up on the stage showcasing the Wii U and 3DS's lineup. They approach the end of the conference:

"Today, we have given you a taste of what is to come with the Wii U and 3DS. But that's not all. Masahiro Sakurai and his team Project Sora have begun working on new title in the Super Smash Bros. series. Each for the Wii U and the 3DS. Masahiro Sakurai hopes to bring a brand new experience to the Smash Bros. world. By bringing both the Wii U and 3DS, together..."

*rooms lighting dims*

*Screen lights up...*

*A cinematic begins much as it did in Melee and Brawl, with Mario, Link, Pikachu and Kirby meeting each other to face off*

*The characters begin fighting in grand cinematic display until Kirby is star KO'd. He hits the screen, prompting a laugh from the audience. But when he does the screen begins to crack... He falls forward, outside of a 3DS... Kirby looks around in amazement. The others stop fighting and decide to look out in the open too. Soon every character is outside of the console in a bare white room, looking around. Lying behind them as they walk away will be a 3DS and Wii U tablet on the ground*

*Then the logo will display, Super Smash Bros. Royale. Personally would have preferred Strife, but I guess it has that whimsical, action oriented sound about it?*

*We finally get to a mixture of gameplay mechanics and animation as shown with Brawl. The gameplay will take place in Hyrule Castle, Geothermal Power Plant, Starship Mario and Battlefield. You will come to a point where there will be an animated segment that takes place in the Geothermal Power Plant. Mario and the other three will be fighting until something emerges from the lava below. The characters turn to face the emerging foe... Ridley is then seen! A bar with the word "Newcomer" is seen, the audience reaction is exstaticism. He flies down to the field and the animation transitions to aa small gameplay clip. Showing him sweep at his foes and grab Mario, dragging him across the ground and launching him forward.*

*It switches back to animation and the character are struggling to fight Ridley as he pushes them towards the lava. Until a large blast is shot at Ridley, causing him to reel. Out of the air emerges and landing on the stage is familiar face to some, Saki Amamiya. He pulls his head up and the word "Newcomer" is displayed once again, transitioning to gameplay of Saki beating the crap out of Ridley.*

*Once over Ridley grabs all of the five characters and starts flying towards the ceiling, crashing through and emerging from the ground into the air (it's not canon, remember?) Knocking over a certain familiar face... Once the characters break free and are upon the crowd, cowering behind them is Toad. Confused and scared he shivers a bit, "Newcomer" is displayed. In a scared panic he screams and actually runs TOWARDS Ridley, prompting a gameplay clip where he isn't so scared.*

*Ridley is seen gasping, exhausted from battle until reinforcement arrives... As the characters move forward the skies begin to grow dark and a figure materializes itself. With the image of snakes snapping in the air and a staff in hand, Medusa presents herself with our much expected "Newcomer" label and gameplay clip.*

*Afterwards the two villains and six heroes will be set on opposing sides, Medusa will then dissapear with Ridley in hand. The heroes will look around, confused as much of the audience. Then the camera zooms out from the characters to the logo displayed once again with jingle in tune... The screen goes dark... For about a few seconds the screen is dark and nothing is heard... Until this song begins to play:*

http://youtu.be/u_Ft2niUeCU

*Megaman X has arrived! He warps onto stage, throwing his arms out. The audience goes wild! A short trailer for Megaman X is shown displaying his gameplay, spanning across a couple of the stages already seen. Then at a point in the video Mario and Megaman X come together and begin an almost fighting, symbolic of two of the platform greats going head to head!*

*People are in both shock and confusion, it is Megaman alright. Just not Classic. Many questions are mumbled from the audience. "YES!!!!!!!" "I thought we'd get Classic for sure?" "Who cares, at least Megaman X is finally in a fighting game!" "Will we see anything from Classic Megaman?"*

*But most people will be buzzed from what they just saw*[/COLLAPSE]

 

[OmegaXXII]

Paper Mario is 3D? How so??

 

[MechaWave]

I did look at your moveset. Just, after I posted

It's a really good and well thought-out moveset, but I feel with the badges AND the partners it complicates the character quite a bit more than necessary. The partners are more unique and can bring more to the character, while being exclusive to the series. The badges, however, are in more RPG games than just the Paper Mario series.

Well I'm trying to explain as throughly as possible how it's not incredibly confusing. I do admit it does complicate him but some people over the Internet posted something similar but used all of his partners and Pixls which was ridiculous.

@Omega: He has the ability to flip from 2D-to-3D in SPM. He himself is not 3D, obviously.

 

[popsofctown]

yeah gdub cut won't happen, I just wish it would.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Meh.. I didn't bother reading that script at all.

 

[Le vieux lapin]

Paper mario would be fun, but he is
no Mr.G and W. It would be some kind of odd
to have two 2d characters.

 

[MechaWave]

Not really, Chris. G&W wouldn't be lonely no more. :3

Besides unlike G&W Paper Mario has so many things to offer to Smash. A wide array of creativity and uniqueness in his moveset, a dynamic stage and can even have a Paper Mario-styled stage in Adventure Mode. G&W has nothing.

 

[Oasis_S]

Paper Mario is 3D? How so??

Paper Mario is 3D like a sheet of paper is 3D. Like, when turning around it would look as though you're turning a sheet of paper around. When swinging a hammer he would twist. He could fold into a scroll and roll across the ground. Couldn't do that if he was 2D. OR WELL he could but it would just look stupid.

Also I know Star. It's nice... but... y'know...

Toad.

 

[OmegaXXII]

.@Omega: He has the ability to flip from 2D-to-3D in SPM. He himself is not 3D, obviously.

"The ability" is the key term here, that what makes him 2D. He just leaps into 3D environment I guess.

 

[Kantrip]

It was odd to have 2 spacies, and it was odd to have 2 characters that transformed, right?

Did we ruin Sheik with Pokemon Tranier? Did we ruin Fox with Falco?

Did we ruin Kirby with Jigglypuff?

The answer is no. A character can be unique while sharing a gimmick with another character.

Being 2d isn't even a plastyle gimmick unless you make it so, and Game and Watch doesn't do this.

 

[Le vieux lapin]

Not really, Chris. G&W wouldn't be lonely no more. :3

Besides unlike G&W Paper Mario has so many things to offer to Smash. A wide array of creativity and uniqueness in his moveset, a dynamic stage and can even have a Paper Mario-styled stage in Adventure Mode. G&W has nothing.

Dude, loving the idea of a Paper mario stage.
That could be really cool, there is so much they
could do with it.

 

[Gallowglass]

Explain Paper Mario. Please do. How is he unoriginal when he is clearly the most unique character than can be in Smash?

*Sighs* Okay here we go again.

1. He IS Mario. They just made him 2D again and I don't see why we need two Mario's...Again. Dr. Mario was a last minute clone and I don't want to see that again.

2. Other the folding up into an airplane P. Mario doesn't do anything that Mario hasn't done in other games. If they wanted Mario with those skills they would have given it to the original Mario

3. The partner ability makes him overly complex and isn't original since they could have done it with other charcters like Kirby, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, etc.

 

[CalvinWars]

I dislike the partner idea. I don't like random things in games, espeially fighters. It's why I hate items with a passion. I feel I would hit the badge or change partner button and get stuck with a partner/badge I dislike. It's like the randomness of Olimar's pikmin plucks on a much larger scale. Also, I think Sakurai is way too lazy to incorporate all the badges and partners.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Kirby 64 and Jiggs Melee 4,Smash!!!

 

[MechaWave]

I dislike the partner idea. I don't like random things in games, espeially fighters. It's why I hate items with a passion. I feel I would hit the badge or change partner button and get stuck with a partner/badge I dislike. It's like the randomness of Olimar's pikmin plucks on a much larger scale. Also, I think Sakurai is way too lazy to incorporate all the badges and partners.

Um... you must have skimmed through it. You can choose the order of partners and leave them out if you wish to go solo Paper Mario.

Think of picking your partners like you pick Sheik on the CSS: you have to pick the order of partners you want or the game will choose for you. In the future I am going to make a CSP showing this example. I would do it now but I can't find the backdrop for the CSP.

The only random thing about him is the badges. But, like I said, they ALL are positive. You wouldn't care what badge you had on because you know it would be good to you. Just that you might have to take it off if you got Piercing Blow (ignores opponent's weight for one hit of any hammer attack) and your opponent was at 30%.

It's like adding Mario and Doctor Mario! Wait...

Lol I know you're being sarcastic but Toon Link/Young Link is also Link but no one complains.

 

[Kantrip]

Calvin, there's nothing saying the partner mechanic HAS to be random. It could go through a rotation, or there could just be particular moves that use a partner, only for that move, and the partner's gone again.

 

[Le vieux lapin]

I dislike the partner idea. I don't like random things in games, espeially fighters. It's why I hate items with a passion. I feel I would hit the badge or change partner button and get stuck with a partner/badge I dislike. It's like the randomness of Olimar's pikmin plucks on a much larger scale. Also, I think Sakurai is way too lazy to incorporate all the badges and partners.

lets hope so, since that would seriously mess up the "even" setups
at tourneys..... tourneys don't like random stuff, its all control

 

[OmegaXXII]

*Sighs* Okay here we go again.

1. He IS Mario. They just made him 2D again and I don't see why we need two Mario's...Again. Dr. Mario was a last minute clone and I don't want to see that again.

2. Other the folding up into an airplane P. Mario doesn't do anything that Mario hasn't done in other games. If they wanted Mario with those skills they would have given it to the original Mario

3. The partner ability makes him overly complex and isn't original since they could have done it with other charcters like Kirby, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, etc.

You obviously are scared of a clone, you fail hard!!! Your reasoning is so illogical that it doesn't even make sense.

Don't you understand, Mario and P.Mario are DIFFERENT!! God damn!!

He wouldn't work like Mario since his mechnic like tornados and such wouldn't allow P.Mario to do so, besides he ****** doesn't have a damn fireball move, WUT HE BURN HIMSELFZ HA!!

 

[CalvinWars]

Um... you must have skimmed through it. You can choose the order of partners and leave them out if you wish to go solo Paper Mario.

Think of picking your partners like you pick Sheik on the CSS: you have to pick the order of partners you want or the game will choose for you.

The only random thing about him is the badges. But, like I said, they ALL are positive. You wouldn't care what badge you had on because you know it would be good to you. Just that you might have to take it off if you got Piercing Blow and your opponent was at 30%.

You have a point there. And I did skim it . When I was skimming through the 70 pages I had to read to get current when I was a skimmer and was gone for a weekend I kind of skipped through movesets. Im looking at it more thoroughly now.

 

[Starphoenix]

*Sighs* Okay here we go again.

1. He IS Mario. They just made him 2D again and I don't see why we need two Mario's...Again. Dr. Mario was a last minute clone and I don't want to see that again.

2. Other the folding up into an airplane P. Mario doesn't do anything that Mario hasn't done in other games. If they wanted Mario with those skills they would have given it to the original Mario

3. The partner ability makes him overly complex and isn't original since they could have done it with other charcters like Kirby, Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, etc.

1: Paper Mario is much different then Mario, and certainly then Dr. Mario. Whether you want to get into the whole "they are the same character" is your choice. But it has little bearing on his chances.

2: So your argument is because Mario could do something that somehow makes Paper Mario invalid as a choice? Technically Luigi doesn't really do much more than Mario? Would you honestly advocate removing him? Because regardless of what you think the Mario RPG series, all of them, and mainline Mario series are considered different entities. If you really want to compare it to something compare it to Marvel comics. Which has one set normal universe and other alternate universes with the same characters, such as the Ultimate series.

3: No one is saying he has to use the partner mechanic. He has enough on his own merit without even needing to go that far.

 

[OmegaXXII]

People should read and comprehend before making assumptions, play the god damn game before saying P.Mario is a clone, sheesh.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

You obviously are scared of a clone, you fail hard!!! Your reasoning is so illogical that it doesn't even make sense.

Don't you understand, Mario and P.Mario are DIFFERENT!! God damn!!

I think he meant that even though they're different, it's the same guy. You know, two MARIOS in Smash Bros: he might've meant it like it's like putting in Classic Megaman and Megaman from Battle Network-games.

 

[Deleted member]

ssb4 i think over 60 characters well be in ssb4. it alot characters the question is there gonna be ssb5 in the future.

Not going to happen. The most we can realistically expect is 53 characters, transformations included and that's not taking universal roster into account.

I don't know much about him other than his wikipedia profile. He stars in a Nintendo crossover game that features many characters like Little Mac, Lip, Takamaru, Birdo, and Devil.

He would be an very interesting, if unlikely, addition to Smash.

 

[Kantrip]

I think he meant that even though they're different, it's the same guy. You know, two MARIOS in Smash Bros: he might've meant it like it's like putting in Classic Megaman and Megaman from Battle Network-games.

It's like adding Mario and Doctor Mario! Wait...

 

[MechaWave]

@Master Rapier:
1. And Toon Link/Young Link IS Link. So what? Ganondorf is Captain Falcon. Jigglypuff is Kirby. Paper Mario is NOT Mario other than the fact he as a character is Mario. But the things about him isn't. Comparing Dr. Mario doesn't even apply.

2. Star takes this one.

3. The partner system is my idea and what I believe Sakurai should implement. He can do whatever he wants with it but he doesn't need to have it. How is it unoriginal? I don't even know why you even compared this ability to other characters.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I think he meant that even though they're different, it's the same guy. You know, two MARIOS in Smash Bros: he might've meant it like it's like putting in Classic Megaman and Megaman from Battle Network-games.

Yea, if you consider it that way I guess it makes sense, but still he wouldn't be a clone even if they are technically the same character.

 

[Starphoenix]

Should I even post my new concept, or is it going to get buried in this arguing?