New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Barbasol]

I wanted to create a good quality character pool for people to look over. These are characters that can arrive as newcomers from each franchise, and are the most likely.

Super Mario

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• Toad
• Bowser Jr.
• Waluigi
• Paper Mario

The Legend of Zelda

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• Tingle
• Skull Kid
• Ghirahim
• Vaati

Metroid

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• Ridley
• Dark Samus

Pokemon

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• Victini
• Zoroark
• Meowth
• Mewtwo
• Darkrai
• Deoxys
• Gardevoir
• Genesect
• Another Pokemon Trainer

Fire Emblem

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• Lyn
• Black Knight/Zelgius
• Siglud
• Caeda
• Roy

Yoshi

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• Kamek
• Baby Mario Bros.

Donkey Kong

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• King K Rool
• Dixie Kong

Kid Icarus

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• Medusa
• Palutena

F-ZERO

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• Samurai Goroh
• Black Shadow
• Deathborn

Earthbound

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• Claus
• Ninten

Sonic the Hedgehog

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• Tails
• Knuckles
• Dr. Robotnik
• Shadow

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I think very little of those characters have any "chances". I also believe the Geno Supporters made enough noise for Sakurai to have heard of him

 

[OmegaXXII]

Shadow lol? Are you kidding me?

As for Sigurd, meh.. I don't really see him as an option, probably Lyn would take his spot before Sigurd but of course none of them will ever be in due to Zelgius!

Deathborn would be nice, but I don't think F-Zero would need more than 2 reps, honestly I could only see Black Shadow or Samurai Goroh before him, personally though I'd like to see Black Shadow instead as he is the main antagonist of the series, plus you have too consider that the franchise is semi-dead at
the moment.

As for a Pokemon Trainer, I would REALLY like to see Giovanni alongside Red, he would definetly act as the "cool" antagonist of the Pokemon series.

 

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The only characters I can see getting in on that list are:

the Mario Reps, Ridley, a 5th Gen Pokemon/Mewtwo, King K. Rool, and the FE Reps (Caeda/BK/Roy).

 

[Barbasol]

I was being generous in most of those cases for sure. For example, I don't expect to get a second Sonic character, but if there was, those are the choices.

 

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As for a Pokemon Trainer, I would REALLY like to see Giovanni alongside Red, he would definetly act as the "cool" antagonist of the Pokemon series.

While I don't think we need a new PT, would N from Black & White work?

He does have a Zoroark on his team, and giving him Victini + one other Pokemon wouldn't be that hard. He'd also fill in for an antagonist as well.

 

[Deleted member]

@Barbasol: Where are the potential new franchises like Mega Man, Custom Robo, Golden Sun, Punch-Out!!, etc.?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

While I don't think we need a new PT, would N from Black & White work?

He does have a Zoroark on his team, and giving him Victini + one other Pokemon wouldn't be that hard. He'd also fill in for a antagonist as well.

N never has the same pokemon in more than 1 battle against him. He doesn't have a signature pokemon

 

[Barbasol]

@Barbasol: Where are the potential new franchises like Mega Man, Custom Robo, Golden Sun, Punch-Out!!, etc.?

I had thought about doing new franchise and retro, but then I'd probably need to delve into Gyromite, Pikmin, Ice Climbers, etc. Which won't get new characters. Fire Emblem's the only franchise that ever jumped in with two characters, so I didn't figure it was likely.

 

[OmegaXXII]

What about Medusa and Palutena?

I honestly can see at least Medusa making it, she would definetly be the perfect female antagonist and maybe a cool SSE boss as well, and considering the Kid Icarus: Uprising is an upcoming title developed by Sakurai himself, I wouldn't be surprised if he showed interest in advertising his new game, after all, it will be done right before development so it would actually be a perfect way to represent his newest title and what better way than to include a new rep for the Kid Icarus franchise aside from Pit.

But of course Sakurai might not want to include any new rep due to his ackward affection, an example would be King DDD and Meta-Knight being absent in the 1st two titles of Smash despite them having previously appeared in a game.

Overall I'd really would like to see Medusa or Palutena as playable, of course that other guy I wouldn't mind as well since he looks like an FF character with a sword that makes him look soo bad ***!!

 

[Deleted member]

Going through Barbasol's list:

Probable:
Ridley
Victini
King K. Rool
Medusa

Considerable
Bowser Jr.
Paper Mario
Zoroark
Dixie Kong

Marginal
Toad
Ghirahim
Tingle
Mewtwo
Meowth
Genesect
Palutena
Lyn
Caeda
Black Knight
Samurai Goroh
Black Shadow

Slim
Waluigi
Skull Kid
Vaati
Dark Samus
Deoxys
Another Pokemon Trainer
Roy
Sigurd
Kamek
Claus
Ninten
Tails
Knuckles
Shadow

Very Unlikely:
Baby Mario Bros.
Darkrai
Gardevoir
Deathborn
Dr. Eggman

 

[Johnknight1]

I wanted to create a good quality character pool for people to look over. These are characters that can arrive as newcomers from each franchise, and are the most likely.

Got ride of the unlikely characters. Here's the list and my thoughts.

• Toad - Only if Sakurai finds the right moveset; likely an AT, enemy, or background character.
• Bowser Jr. - Stands a reasonable chance, especially with an increased role over the last few years.
• Paper Mario - Very likely, and very original. Why not?
• Vaati - With a lack of appearances lately, his chances have faded.
• Ridley - The only thing preventing him from making it is Sakurai is unfavorable towards Metroid and his wing to body ratio size.
• Dark Samus - Without the end of the Prime series, Dark Samus' chances are likely very small.
• Victini - Could be very original. A gen 5 rep is guaranteed.
• Zoroark - See previous. With a new gen, a new rep is guaranteed.
• Meowth - Was originally suppose to be in SSB64. Could be a very good character, especially based on the anime.
• Mewtwo - I'd love to see his return. He is still very popular.
• Deoxys - Gen 3 needs a rep, and Deoxys is an awesome Pokémon. I was kinda mad when he was Pokéball'd.
• Another Pokemon Trainer - N would be best, or the Gen 5 Trainers (both sexes ftw?). This could be interesting. Imagine-both Victini, Zoarak, and another Gen 5 Pokérman!
• Lyn - Not likely since she was only a main character in one game.
• Roy - Sakurai shows love for him, so it could happen.
• Kamek - Likely an AT. I think Kamek could be cool, and Kamek has become more popular, but it's still unlikely.
• Baby Mario Bros. - I don't see them being popular or original enough to qualify, but you never know.
• King K Rool - Could be pretty awesome and funny.
• Dixie Kong - Should be in as a shoe-in, like Pit last time.
• Samurai Goroh - If Sakurai could come up with a moveset and give Ganny a sword, why not?
• Claus - Lucas' alternate outfit. Could be a boss.
• Ninten - Similar to Ness; doesn't warrant a spot.
• Tails - Could make a fun character, and definitely deserves consideration.
• Knuckles - Is awesome! If Tails makes it, why not? Just no Shadow! (he suxs!)

 

[OmegaXXII]

While I don't think we need a new PT, would N from Black & White work?

He does have a Zoroark on his team, and giving him Victini + one other Pokemon wouldn't be that hard. He'd also fill in for an antagonist as well.

if you don't mind me asking, who is N? I'm assuming he's an antagonist trainer as well??

I've never played any of the newer Pokemon games aside from Gold/Silver I really don't have a clue when people mention some of the newer trainers or Pokemon for that matter.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Ridley's wing's are tiny

 

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if you don't mind me asking, who is N? I'm assuming he's an antagonist trainer as well??

I've never played any of the newer Pokemon games aside from Gold/Silver I really don't have a clue when people mention some of the newer trainers or Pokemon for that matter.

Look here: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/N

 

[OmegaXXII]

Ridley's wing's are tiny

^Haha, I remember him looking like that in his SSB64 cameo apperance.

 

[Johnknight1]

One idea that I suggested in the past invlovrs two kind of Smashes, one is called a "Super Smash" while the other is your basic "Final Smash".

Basically what a Super Smash would do is it would consider a series of combo chain hits that would automatically be performed, it wouldn't necesserly cause an instant K.O. like a Final Smash bit rather it would rack up alot of quick damage doing so, this would be attainable via a different colored Smash Ball, these would be more common of course.

As for the Final Smash, they would consist of a more powerful but signature finishing move that can potentially K.O. an opponent among succesful contact, though this time around every character should definetly have their own unique Final Smash like Wolf for example, us should be more powerful.

Overall it would add more strategy not to mention more fun strategies to choose from for finishing up an opponent, but I like your idea of having super forms though, how awesome would it be to have Luigi as Mr. L fighting Super Mario lol..

I like the idea of multiple strong attacks, but I'd prefer to have transformations instead of a second strong super attack. Imagine an Arwing and Landmaster battle. Wolfen (II?) vs. A friggen GIANT EVIL JIGGLYPUFF OF DOOM!!! The possibilities are endless!

Ridley's wing's are tiny

I think I his bigger wings could make him more interesting. I'd prefer it, but that's really the only reason I can think he didn't make it as a playable character in Brawl, and someone as generic and unoriginal as Wolf did (his wing and tail to body size ratio, along with his giant head). Still, I can't think of a good enough reason not to have him in a future smash bros game. He's popular worldwide (Japan isn't the world, and he's popular even there), he's the main villain (and a constant villain), and Samus' arch rival and enemy. He's the Bowser of Metroid.

if you don't mind me asking, who is N? I'm assuming he's an antagonist trainer as well??

I've never played any of the newer Pokemon games aside from Gold/Silver I really don't have a clue when people mention some of the newer trainers or Pokemon for that matter.

He's the green-haired enemy trainer in White and Black. He has the unique ability of feeling Pokémon's emotions.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Look here: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/N

Hmm.. It seems he's the leader of Team Plasma, I guess he is similar to Team Rocket, I guess I wouldn't mind but tbh I'd rather the the true iconic antagonist known as Team Rocket if we were to get a new trainer or replace one which I hope doesn't happen since I really happen to enjoy Red.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well, N Is the only pokemon trainer to canonically own a legendary pokemon.

But would he have Reshiram or Zekrom? Black is probably the canonical copy since it's listed first so he probably has Zekrom

 

[Johnknight1]

Also, you know what I want? Quicker transformations and Pokémon switches. Sheik and Zelda should transform in about a half second, and the Pokémon Trainer should switch Pokémon at the same speed as well. The long transformation time hurts Shelda a bit, but it kills Pokémon Trainer, especially since his Pokémon get tired after a few minutes. It takes too dang long for them to change. It should be much quicker to make switching a more legitimate option. I'm tired of seeing players unable to do that. It really takes away from the smash series IMHO.

 

[Barbasol]

I think the transformation's take the length they do for gameplay balance. Because if the player switches really fast they have access to double the moves before the other player can react. I think it's pretty reasonable the length it is now.

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In regards to Ridley, when on the ground, the wings could be curled up. This'd be akin to Meta Knights wings. It would make him a lot more compact.

 

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^^ Agreed, plus in the PT's case it can be used to dodge Final Smashes.

 

[Barbasol]

So N could reasonable have Genesect too since Team Plasma made him.

Zoroark, Genesect, and Reshiram or Zekrom.

I'd like to see Victini in there, but that would be a satisfactory mix IMO.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Well, N Is the only pokemon trainer to canonically own a legendary pokemon.

But would he have Reshiram or Zekrom? Black is probably the canonical copy since it's listed first so he probably has Zekrom

Does N appear on the anime? Because I believe Giovionni owned or at least had Mewtwo in his possession canically of course, not in-game.

 

[Johnknight1]

I think the transformation's take the length they do for gameplay balance. Because if the player switches really fast they have access to double the moves before the other player can react. I think it's pretty reasonable the length it is now.

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In regards to Ridley, when on the ground, the wings could be curled up. This'd be akin to Meta Knights wings. It would make him a lot more compact.

I don't think it's reasonable at all. The switching of the Pokémon is hard enough to do considering how weak all of them are, and how they only get weaker with time individually. It takes about 2 seconds to change. In that time, only a KO could bet fast enough to change. If you cut that time in a fourth, then it allows the changes to happen faster, and gives them more of an edge. The long transformation time is literally a main reason Shelda and PKMN Trainer are bottom feeders on the tiers.

Half a second is a pretty long time; that's about as long as it takes to charge a Falcon Punch. That's more than enough time for an opponent to counter them. All you got to do is look at competitive and casual videos of someone playing both Sheik and Zelda combined or the PT, and observe how long and impossible it is to change without getting Falcon Punch'd. Heck, nearly every major Brawl player-edited patch has made the switch time much quicker.

As for Ridley, that makes plenty of sense. I still think his wings should be giant, though. That'd be so much cooler.

 

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Does N appear on the anime? Because I believe Giovionni owned or at least had Mewtwo in his possession canically of course, not in-game.

No, the only episodes with Team Plasma were banned due to the Earthquake, and have yet to air in both Japan and the U.S. Although they did say they would someday air them.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Oh I see, well nonetheless if N did have a legendary Pokemon at his side in Smash then I wouldn't mind seeing him as well, what kind of Pokemon would his team consist of?

In regards to transformations PT's switching transformations should also be shortened without any lag, it would be alot more convinient to play as the Pokemon your good at rather than risking switching between them and possibly be open to a punishing blow during a crucial moment in a battle.

 

[Starphoenix]

For those that were interested, here are probably my top 20 favorite VG tracks.

20: Super Mario Galaxy - Battlerock Galaxy
19: F-Zero GX - Fire Field
18: Saga Frontier II - Mibgestalt
17: Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards - Above The Clouds
16: Psychic Force 2012 - Tears and Flow
15: Dragon Quest VIII - Sanctuary
14: Final Fantasy IV - Boss Music
13: Chrono Trigger - Theme of Crono
12: Megaman X - Central Highway
11: Skyblazer - The Falls of Torment

10: Mega Man: Dr Wily's Revenge - Wily Stage
9: Pokémon Trading Card Game - Duel
8: Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest - Bramble Blast
7: Secret of Evermore - Greek Temple
6: Secret of Mana - Into the Thick of It
5: Breath of Fire 3 - Everyday Battle
4: Super Mario World - Forest of Illusion
3: Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening - Tal Tal Heights
2: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - Hyrule Castle
1: Pokémon Gold/Silver - Violet City (this is my entire childhood wrapped up in one chiptune song! Wandering the schoolyard as a child, with this theme playing in the back of my head the entire time. Epic...)

 

[OmegaXXII]

Ha!! Pokemon Silver FTW!!

That was definetly one of my favorite tracks as well, though I always like the classic Viridian City or Indigo Plauteau themes, nice overall selection.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

@Barbasol, post #17001: Let's see...

Likely Candidates
Ridley

Considerable Candidates
Bowser Jr.
Zoroark
Dixie Kong
King K. Rool

Moderate Candidates
Toad
Paper Mario
Victini
A different Pokemon Trainer
Black Knight
Palutena
Medusa
Samurai Goroh
Black Shadow
Tails

Unlikely Candidates
Waluigi
Tingle
Skull Kid
Ghirahim
Dark Samus
Mewtwo (it was cut from Brawl)
Deoxys
Darkrai
Lyn
Siglud
Caeda
Deathborn
Claus
Ninten
Knuckles

Impossible Candidates
Vaati
Meowth
Gardevoir
Genesect (it has to be officially revealed first)
Roy (same as Mewtwo, but much lower odds of returning)
Kamek
Baby Mario Bros.
Dr. Eggman
Shadow the Hedgehog

 

[OmegaXXII]

Haha at Roy's chances being impossible.

Even though I don't support the guy I don't think he's impossible, just very unlikely only because he previously made a appearance in Melee, but overall his literally has alot going agaisnt him, IMO Mewtwo definetly has a better chance if Victini were to make it in.

 

[Pseudomaniac]

I think this is more likely to be our potential candidate pool...

Super Mario
Toad
Bowser Jr.
Paper Mario
Waluigi (I hate him and his chances are marginal at best, but he still has a tiny chance)

Yoshi
Kamek

Donkey Kong
King K. Rool
Dixie Kong

The Legend of Zelda
Toon Zelda\Tetra
Tingle
Revamped Ganondorf

Metroid
Ridley
Dark Samus

Kid Icarus
Medusa
Palutena

F-Zero
Samurai Goroh
Black Shadow

Fire Emblem
Micaiah
Caeda
Black Knight
Roy

Pokemon
Zoroark
Vicinti
Mewtwo
New Pokemon Trainer-esque character (Rival, Team Rocket, Giovanni, etc.)

New 1st party reps
Isaac
Starfy
Saki
Takamaru
Andy
Lip
Little Mac

New 3rd party reps
Tails
Dr. Eggman
Simon Belmont
Megaman (duh)
Ryu
Bomberman
Black Mage
Chocobo
Slime

I don't even like a lot of these characters, but here's the list. And I have additional Sega\Konami reps listed because we don't know if they get new characters or not (my intuition says they won't, but Sakurai isn't known for being predictable)

 

[Tsubame]

For those that were interested, here are probably my top 20 favorite VG tracks.

20: Super Mario Galaxy - Battlerock Galaxy
19: F-Zero GX - Fire Field
18: Saga Frontier II - Mibgestalt
17: Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards - Above The Clouds
16: Psychic Force 2012 - Tears and Flow
15: Dragon Quest VIII - Sanctuary
14: Final Fantasy IV - Boss Music
13: Chrono Trigger - Theme of Crono
12: Megaman X - Central Highway
11: Skyblazer - The Falls of Torment

10: Mega Man: Dr Wily's Revenge - Wily Stage
9: Pokémon Trading Card Game - Duel
8: Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest - Bramble Blast
7: Secret of Evermore - Greek Temple
6: Secret of Mana - Into the Thick of It
5: Breath of Fire 3 - Everyday Battle
4: Super Mario World - Forest of Illusion
3: Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening - Tal Tal Heights
2: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - Hyrule Castle
1: Pokémon Gold/Silver - Violet City (this is my entire childhood wrapped up in one chiptune song! Wandering the schoolyard as a child, with this theme playing in the back of my head the entire time. Epic...)

Oh dear god, i just got about 400 flashbacks of my childhood..

Personally i'd like the saturos boss battle theme (golden sun)
that song was almost to epic...

 

[Big-Cat]

Chung-Li is also attractive.

Those legs have made me see the love for hips.

I mean, who would NOT want a custom music option? That would be absolutely perfect.

I really hope Nintendo gives us that option, especially if you we can assign it to stages. Like, here's what I'd put in:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55ut8QLeI9Q - Donkey Kong Stage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yklYElgOyN4 - Kirby Stage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2N8woYX7io - Metroid Stage
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXlQE4rdC6I - Zelda Stage

 

[Opelucid]

Has anyone actually made a Medusa moveset yet? I'm interested in seeing how her fighting style might be

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

For those that were interested, here are probably my top 20 favorite VG tracks.

20: Super Mario Galaxy - Battlerock Galaxy
19: F-Zero GX - Fire Field
18: Saga Frontier II - Mibgestalt
17: Kirby 64: The Crystal Shards - Above The Clouds
16: Psychic Force 2012 - Tears and Flow
15: Dragon Quest VIII - Sanctuary
14: Final Fantasy IV - Boss Music
13: Chrono Trigger - Theme of Crono
12: Megaman X - Central Highway
11: Skyblazer - The Falls of Torment

10: Mega Man: Dr Wily's Revenge - Wily Stage
9: Pokémon Trading Card Game - Duel
8: Donkey Kong Country 2: Diddy Kong's Quest - Bramble Blast
7: Secret of Evermore - Greek Temple
6: Secret of Mana - Into the Thick of It
5: Breath of Fire 3 - Everyday Battle
4: Super Mario World - Forest of Illusion
3: Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening - Tal Tal Heights
2: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past - Hyrule Castle
1: Pokémon Gold/Silver - Violet City (this is my entire childhood wrapped up in one chiptune song! Wandering the schoolyard as a child, with this theme playing in the back of my head the entire time. Epic...)

Sooooooo much Nintendo

 

[Sonic Poke]

At best, the characters most likely are:

Mario Series:

Toad
Bowser Jr.
Waluigi
Paper Mario
Dr. Mario
Daisy

TLOZ Series:

Young Link
Ghirahim
Vaati
Skull Kid
Midna
Wolf Link

DK Series:

K. Rool
Dixie Kong

Retro Series:

Takamaru
Blues Brothers

Pokemon Series:

Zoroark
Vicniti
Darkai
Team Rocket
Giovanni
Pokemon Trainer Rival
Meowth
Mewtwo
Pichu

Fire Emblem Series:

Lyn
Roy
Black Knight
Caeda

F-ZERO Series:

Samurai Goroh
Black Shadow
Jody Summer
Dr. Stwart

Kirby Series:

Knuckle Joe
Prince Fluff

Yoshi Series:

Kamek
Boshi
Birdo

Third Party Series:

Tails
Dr. Eggman
Dr. Robotnik
Amy
Shadow
Knuckles
Gray Fox
Megaman

Earthbound Series:

Paula
Ana
Kumatora
Ninten
Jeff
Gygas

Other

Andy
Isaac
Matthew
Aisya
Medusa
Palutena

 

[OmegaXXII]

Yoshi series shouldn't have Birdo, Wart would make a better choice.

Blues Brothers? I don't really know who they are!!

You realize that Dr. Robotnik and Dr. Eggman are the same person, right?

Shadow the Hedgehog? Not really, he would up end up playing to similar to Sonic, i'd rather see Knuckles anyday.

As for Waluigi, he's pretty much unlikely due to him being an exclusive spin-off character, no significant role whatsoever.

Pichu? NO!!, NO!!, NO!!! Worst character ever!!

 

[Shorts]

Nintendo Tournament, Prelims Round 02 Samus vs. Zero has begun.

Yoshi story shouldn't have Birdo OR Wart. They both haven't been in YS games, as far as I know. I think Kamek, or. . . ugh. . . Baby Bros is a better idea.

@Sonic Poke, If you think Daisy, Team Rocket, or Blues Brothers are likely, you've got another thing coming.

 

[Sonic Poke]

Yoshi series shouldn't have Birdo, Wart would make a better choice.

Blues Brothers? I don't really know who they are!!

You realize that Dr. Robotnik and Dr. Eggman are the same person, right?

Shadow the Hedgehog? Not really, he would up end up playing to similar to Sonic, i'd rather see Knuckles anyday.

As for Waluigi, he's pretty much unlikely due to him being an exclusive spin-off character, no significant role whatsoever.

Pichu? NO!!, NO!!, NO!!! Worst character ever!!

Birdo has chances, the Blues Brothers is a game called Blues Brothers, which has versions for SuperN and N64, and I did not know Robotinik and Eggman are the same person, sorry. And Waluigi while being unique spin-off, he has a significant role in dance dance revolution mario mix.

Pichu is horrible, I hate him, yet he also chances.

@Sonic Poke, If you think Daisy, Team Rocket, or Blues Brothers are likely, you've got another thing coming.

I do not think they are likely, only relevant ... However Team Rocket possesses a real chance to manifest themselves in SSBU, because they are the main antagonists of series Pokemon, and Team Rocket is not limited to Jesse and James.

Off for now