New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Big-Cat]

Looks like she uses knives. That might be interesting. Though, I think Sakurai said something against them when referring to Snake once. Also I didn't know river sandals was like, a thing. SHE CLEARLY FIGHTS FOR KNEE-HIGH HIGH-HEELED BOOTS ANYWAY.

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Also, this is hilarious. She joined Ike's (I think) army to "meet all the pretty girls."

I think he said something that in Japan, knives and and swords were considered the same (or something like that) and that sentiment wasn't shared across the world. Personally, I don't see the concern unless you explicitly use the knife in the sense Snake could have used it. By this, I mean cutting the opponent's throat with a knife. I don't think throwing daggers or using a knife like a short ranged sword will cause problems. If it was like Cody in SF, then there'd be a problem.

 

[Johnknight1]

Can we all agree that Kranky Kong would be the best AT ever? He would sit in front of his desk, probably harass you (by name, especially if you're from the Donkey Kong series), or perhaps assist you, whether you want him to or not.

He could throw potions that make you slow, gassy, fast, invisible, tiny, giant, strong. Perhaps he could make you fly, fully healed, or give you a jetpack, his cane, or cause explosions, summon enemies, summon various members of the Kong family and the Donkey Kong universe, conjure up items, put you in Final Smash mode, give you his flasks, or even his rocking chair. Or perhaps you could just grab him and throw him as a weapon!

 

[nLiM8d]

Edited by xeGO.

 

[Gallowglass]

Speaking of FF characters,

Magnus from Kid Icarus definetly looks awesome.

I would bet if there was going to be any playable character from Kid Icarus (and you can be sure there are) Magnus would it. He was made by Sakurai or at least for a game Sakurai created. I would think that would give enough reason to put him in. Plus the idea of having godesses as playable characters seems unlikely. Ganondorf may have god like powers but he was mortal at first.

Here is another idea:

Assist Trophy : King Hippo!

Info: When he is summoned he would basically targer and follow the nearest target with a series of powerful blows, followed by a finishing punch of some sort.

I actually would like to see him as an SSE Boss if Little Mac got in, but if he isn't an AT would be just fine.

Of all the Punch Out Characters I feel King Hippo is the worst one. He is like the slowest Punch Out character and you couldn't effectivly do his pants dropping gimmick. He would be much better as a boss.

For Punch Out assist trophies you could have Don Flamengo who would run up to people and taunt them into attacking him. Once they do he would counter attack. Or even more Likely you would have Bald Bull because he does everything that Little Mac does as an assist trophy (Mac's charge attack was based off of him) and he's the most reoccuring character in Punch out series. Bald Bull was even featured in Wario Smooth Moves and Mac wasn't.

 

[Johnknight1]

Yo Mr. Dream, I'm really happy for you, and I'ma let you fight Little Mac, but I'm not. Instead, Mike Tyson will. He's the best Punch-Out final boss of all-time!

Let's be honest: Mike Tyson as an AT in SSB Wii U = Epic status.

Really though, any boxer from the original Punch-Out would be great (especially the genie guy) as an AT, a trophy, or a boss.

Also, why are we mentioning Final Fantasy characters in SSB? Final Fantasy already has it's own (overrated) fighting game series. And don't even get me raging about Kingdom Heart(les)s (with its' story that makes no effing sense; Kingdom Hearts vs. Resident Evil 4).

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I want King Hippo and Eggplant Wizard to be playable characters.

Than we'd need Megaman and Simon Belmont.

 

[Luco]

Can we all agree that Kranky Kong would be the best AT ever? He would sit in front of his desk, probably harass you (by name, especially if you're from the Donkey Kong series), or perhaps assist you, whether you want him to or not.

He could throw potions that make you slow, gassy, fast, invisible, tiny, giant, strong. Perhaps he could make you fly, fully healed, or give you a jetpack, his cane, or cause explosions, summon enemies, summon various members of the Kong family and the Donkey Kong universe, conjure up items, put you in Final Smash mode, give you his flasks, or even his rocking chair. Or perhaps you could just grab him and throw him as a weapon!

Yes, yes YES! I would love this! I also think he should have a higher chance of helping any kongs around the stage if they are there(even while grumpy, he still helps his kongs)

Oh, and yay! I got a new avatar! Thanks once again to star! :-D

 

[Shorts]

I'll get you started on Kingdom Hearts, because the story makes sense (Most of the time. There are some parts I was like, waaaah?) and it's probably one of the best game series ever. IMO People hate it because everyone thinks its a f** game. I will never understand why America can't handle to male characters having a close frienship. I mean look at Ike, everyone thinks he's gay too.

Anyways, Kingdom Hearts is cool, although I personally would prefer to see SE be represented with Geno, if anyone is going to rep them, DragonQuest, or Final Fantasy are the ones.

What do you guys want to happen with the third parties?

Personally, I wouldn't mind either of these situations:

1. Sonic and Snake stay, and the new 3rd parties jump on board (And since character decisions will be made in the next few months, lets all hope Megabland stays out of the limelight and in the hot water so we get someone else )

2. Sonic and Snake LEAVE, and they bring in the new 3rd parties

3. Sonic and Snake LEAVE, no new 3rd parties come on.
What i wouldn't be happy with is the 3rd parties staying stagnent with just keeping Sonic and Snake, but not adding to them. I don't know why, but that bothers me.

 

[Luco]

They have to keep sonic and snake unless they want to lose a LOT of support IMO.

 

[Shorts]

They have to keep sonic and snake unless they want to lose a LOT of support IMO.

Nah. Character cuts will only lose support from idiots. The game is still fantastic without those two. If you recall, Roy, and Mewtwo fans felt the same way when they realized their characters might be cut. I see no one who stopped playing because of thier absence in Brawl. Most Melee players have played Brawl, and probably own/have owned it. So it's not like cut characters REALLY hurts sales.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

It's not the close relationship between males, it's the lack of interest in females.

That and fan girls with their Yaoi

 

[Shorts]

It's not the close relationship between males, it's the lack of interest in females.

Did we all forget Sora went out of his way to find Kiari in KH1? It wasn't just Riku.

That and fan girls and boys with their Yaoi

 

[Luco]

Yes but Sonic is almost as iconic as mario. Imagine what would happen if mario was cut.

 

[Oasis_S]

Lol, I could see Sega BEGGING to keep Sonic in a good game.

 

[Shorts]

Yes but Sonic is almost as iconic as mario. Imagine what would happen if mario was cut.

Last time I checked, it was Nintendo's All-Stars. Cutting Nintendo's #1 All-Star, and cutting SEGA's guest character aren't comparable. Honestly, there was an era where 3rd parties were off limits, we can't forget that they aren't the selling point for SSB. They aren't necessary.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Did we all forget Sora went out of his way to find Kiari in KH1? It wasn't just Riku.

Fan girl's are A LOT creepier with it

 

[Luco]

I don't know man... Now that they have him in if they took him out it seems they'd only be digging a hole if they took him out. Mewtwo and Roy and Pichu and so on are Nintendo's property, however i could see Sega hating Nintendo for not keeping him. Same goes for Snake.

And i do kind of see them as a selling point, especially since they were on the back of Brawl's cover. As i said, IDK man....

 

[Shorts]

I don't know man... Now that they have him in if they took him out it seems they'd only be diging a hole if they took him out. Mewtwo and Roy and Pichu and so on are Nintendo's property, however i could see Sega hating Nentendo for not keeping him. Same goes for Snake.

Haha. This is business, not 3rd grade. SEGA is in no place to get mad at Nintendo. I mean, look at all the new third party blood with the WiiU. I don't think SEGA would do anything to ruin the relationship. Again, this is a business, not 3rd grade. Konami isn't going to get pissed because Snake didn't return to smash. Things aren't so fickle.

They ARE a selling point. They do bring in some new blood. But this series is HUGE, and it doesn't need Sonic and Snake to rake in a fanbase. It can do that all with it's own IP.

 

[Johnknight1]

I'll get you started on Kingdom Hearts, because the story makes sense (Most of the time. There are some parts I was like, waaaah?) and it's probably one of the best game series ever. IMO People hate it because everyone thinks its a f** game. I will never understand why America can't handle to male characters having a close frienship. I mean look at Ike, everyone thinks he's gay too.

Anyways, Kingdom Hearts is cool, although I personally would prefer to see SE be represented with Geno, if anyone is going to rep them, DragonQuest, or Final Fantasy are the ones.

What do you guys want to happen with the third parties?

Personally, I wouldn't mind either of these situations:

1. Sonic and Snake stay, and the new 3rd parties jump on board (And since character decisions will be made in the next few months, lets all hope Megabland stays out of the limelight and in the hot water so we get someone else )

2. Sonic and Snake LEAVE, and they bring in the new 3rd parties

3. Sonic and Snake LEAVE, no new 3rd parties come on.
What i wouldn't be happy with is the 3rd parties staying stagnent with just keeping Sonic and Snake, but not adding to them. I don't know why, but that bothers me.

I've beaten both games a few times, and they are pretty lame. The story is boring, campy, and the voice acting can be terrible, and the story for KH2 took forever to start. The characters aren't developed very much, the gameplay is barely hard at all (even Sephiroth), and everyone is so friggen whiny. Nothing interesting happens, bosses have super demon transformations that make no sense, people do things for no reason, and none of the characters are even a bit unique or original. Everything is just... bland. The battle system is just lame combos, and a good portion of the game is just filler and fan service (the second half of KH2 was a new level of awful filler; why would I want to revisit the Lion King world just to chase a ghost?).

Hindsight I wished I played more Resident Evil 4. Fast action gameplay, direct and entertaining story, a character who you protect that isn't totally brain dead (I wish that happened more), and thrill-a-minute gameplay=one of the best games you'll ever play. I wish every game was a trillionth as good as RE4.

And for the confusion, look at the ending of the 2nd one. A frigggen portal showed up out of nowhere containing another city, and then you ride a friggen random thing through a random place into an acid trip to a wanna be sinister-looking beach (but because it's Disney and Final Fantasy it comes off as childish) with a random portal back to the island where the series started. How the hell did that happen? (don't say anime magic! )

Also, it pretty much is a lesser and easier Devil May Cry and God of War. Now those series rock. (minus Devil May Cry 2; it never happened!)

As for your character points, Sonic and Snake ain't going anywhere. They're here to stay, otherwise smash will be noticeably less popular. Both come from legendary and revolutionary franchises (who else still plays one player games with the controller in the second controller port?), and removing their series would eliminate franchises, and eliminate a huge amount of fanbase interest. That's about as dumb as holding a stockholders meeting and lighting the only prototype of your new product on fire. That would lose Nintendo in the millions in potential revenue. I know at least a dozen people who were hyped solely for the epic and fabled Sonic and Mario clash (and no, the Olympics was nowhere near as hyped). Sonic's addition could have potentially sold a quarter million to a million units. That's a crap ton of money! There's a reason Sonic is the most played and popular character in the game amongst casual players, and why he won all the SWF and various site polls for favorite smash bros character.

Mega Man and Pac-Man are the only characters who could add the amount of interest Snake garnered (still nowhere near as much as Sonic's; that is in a league of it's own), along with maybe Slime. Realistically, unless Sakurai likes some other 3rd party character a lot or gets a great offer for another big 3rd party character, those are likely the only ones with shots.

Edit: If Hideo Kojima wants Snake in any smash bros game, he'll be there. Sonic is a selling point and a must. He promotes Sega and Nintendo. It's a win for Nintendo, Sega, the fans of smash bros, and the fans of the people who want to see Sonic clash with the best new, old, and classic Nintendo characters. Having 3rd party characters sells extra units, gives smash bros more exposure, and gives the 3rd party character and franchise more exposure and hype for upcoming games. Like Sonic and Snake, it's a win for everyone!

 

[Luco]

No but it helps a lot. I think you'd be surprised at how large sonic's fanbase is. However, if you can get me numbers/statistics, then I'll agree with you that Nintendo can easily take them out. However i still think *underlines think* that they should be kept.

 

[Shorts]

I don't need numbers to tell you that Nintendo doesn't need them.

They're here to stay, otherwise smash will be noticeably less popular

On a game-to-system scale, Melee sold better than Brawl. Enough proof that Sonic and Snake aren't needed. I'll go get the numbers if needed.

I'm not arguing that they don't bring anything. They do. I'm not aruing that they will leave either. I'm saying he series does not need them to be successful. If you think no Sonic/Snake will significantly (ten percent or more) bring down sales, that's crazy. The series is well established, and doesn't need "HEY LOOK, WE GOT SONIC!". It makes fans happy, that's why he is here.

 

[Johnknight1]

^ But Brawl still sold more, despite the Wii having more classic games that the public bought in masses (Prime 3, the two Galaxy games, Mario Kart Wii, etc).

Melee, at the time of it's release, was the only good game, along with Pikmin (which was a brand new series). Of course it would sell more. The average Gamecube owner probably bought less Gamecube games than the average Wii owner bought of Wii games. That's the same reason more Xbox owners bought Halo 1 and 2 over any number of Halo games on the Xbox 360.

Nintendo doesn't need anyone, but they wanted money. MONEY TALKS! Sonic is worth possibly in the 10 digits of money to the smash series already. Nintendo wants money. Sega wants money. With that extra money from Sonic in Brawl, more money is available for Nintendo to spend (possibly on future smash bros games?), which is good for everyone. If characters make them money and give them customers, let them happen. My cousin bought Brawl for Snake. That's 50 bucks. Nintendo made ridiculous money off Snake and Sonic. Why wouldn't they keep them, and add to it? It'd be stupid not to. Why make a good amount of money compared to huge amount of money?

 

[Luco]

I hear thats mainly because of game mechanics rather than the actual characters(although of course the characters would be a point, i still think mechanics would be the bigger reason). Also, there's the fact that melee was made near 64, back when the fans remembered 64 a lot better than they do now. Thats a gap of 3 years, so the fans that loved 64 would've loved melee. Brawl was made about 6 years after melee, enough time for many of the melee fans to lose interest in the game as they grew older. Then there's the younger generation that barely remembers 64 and/or melee. These people may have bought brawl but without of the support of the other fans, it wouldn't be as many. Melee was made when a younger generation could help the sales, but brawl was made after the generation of melee grew older, many losing interest. Unless i'm wrong, in which case, i'm wrong. I still; think the 3rd party characters should be kept since, as johnknight pointed out, at least sonic is a win win situation for everyone.

*EDITS* As for the edit, yes, i am a fan of sonic, and would be sorely disappointed if he left. That may sound like a repeat of melee, but it's true.

 

[Johnknight1]

Melee was the only uber hyped release game on the Gamecube. Pikmin seemed too weird to be a big hit, although it was a sleeping giant. Luigi's Mansion is the only other game that was really hyped for the Gamecube's released, but Nintendo knew it wasn't a big seller. Mewtwo, DK, Mario, Luigi, Link, Young Link, and Pikachu? Sign me up says the casual gamer in me! (Sonic makes it a "hell yeah" to anyone)

Brawl came around near the middle of the Wii cycle, around the time or after Wii Sports, Wii Party, Mario Galaxy, Zelda: Twilight Princess, Mario Kart Wii, and several other games that sold several million copies came out. If it came out at the Wii release (assuming there was no Wii Sports or Twilight Princess), it would have sold 14 million copies by now.

Edit: Also most or a good number of Wii owners don't play video games often or are brand spanking new to gaming, so you always have to consider that.

 

[Berserker.]

I'll get you started on Kingdom Hearts, because the story makes sense (Most of the time. There are some parts I was like, waaaah?) and it's probably one of the best game series ever. IMO People hate it because everyone thinks its a f** game. I will never understand why America can't handle to male characters having a close frienship. I mean look at Ike, everyone thinks he's gay too.

Anyways, Kingdom Hearts is cool, although I personally would prefer to see SE be represented with Geno, if anyone is going to rep them, DragonQuest, or Final Fantasy are the ones.

What do you guys want to happen with the third parties?

Personally, I wouldn't mind either of these situations:

1. Sonic and Snake stay, and the new 3rd parties jump on board (And since character decisions will be made in the next few months, lets all hope Megabland stays out of the limelight and in the hot water so we get someone else )

2. Sonic and Snake LEAVE, and they bring in the new 3rd parties

3. Sonic and Snake LEAVE, no new 3rd parties come on.
What i wouldn't be happy with is the 3rd parties staying stagnent with just keeping Sonic and Snake, but not adding to them. I don't know why, but that bothers me.

It would be better if they both stayed but I wouldn't mind if they left (I main Snake lol). As long as the next set of 3rd parties are interesting.

Long post coming up

 

[Shorts]

Nintendo doesn't need anyone

That's my point. Luco brought up that it would be detrimental to leave Sonic and Snake out. I was trying to tell him that this isn't the case. Nintendo doesn't NEED them. Smash Bros doesn't NEED them to be successful. You're acting like I don't know that they make money for Nintendo, they do. But Smash is a very well established series, and doesn't need them.

This is all I was trying to say. Don't bother getting into money because I wasn't even trying to touch that subject. At all.

(Sonic makes it a "hell yeah" to anyone)

Not me. I never liked most Sonic games. I like Heroes, and Battle. (Although I was pretty young when i played them, and I doubt I would even pick them up again) I've played the older Sonic games, and I very much am not a fan of how it plays.

 

[Luco]

I'm not saying it needs them, just that it would be stupid to leave them out since they have such large support. Not that it would damage nintendo heavily. I would think(i would hope) Sakurai would want to keep them in, even if he could leave them out. Also... Just bringing up that subject kind of raises the money thing...

What i said was, "they have to keep them unless they want to lose a lot of support", not "They have to keep them unless they want smash to crash, burn and rot."

Not me. I never liked most Sonic games. I like Heroes, and Battle. (Although I was pretty young when i played them, and I doubt I would even pick them up again) I've played the older Sonic games, and I very much am not a fan of how it plays.

Really? I've always loved the sonic style. Hmmm...

 

[Oasis_S]

That discussion took a turn for the silly.

Wouldn't Snake remain by the power of friendship.

 

[Luco]

Yeah but at least it's a discussion, yes?

 

[Shorts]

That discussion took a turn for the silly.

Wouldn't Snake remain by the power of friendship.

The discussion wasn't even about that, it just turned into "They'll stay because of money".

lol at the friendship.

Really? I've always loved the sonic style. Hmmm...

I don't like how things sort of just fly at you. You're running so fast it's hard to react to an enemy that is in the way. Plus I feel lost when I play the game. I feel like you need to know your way around levels beforehand to find the exit. Not my cup of tea.

 

[Berserker.]

That discussion took a turn for the silly.

Wouldn't Snake remain by the power of friendship.

Power OF FRIENDSHIP!

Sadly, Sakurai's horde of cats rule him more than Hideo does. It all depends on the cats.

No long post

 

[Oasis_S]

You think their rule is limited only to Sakurai?

You're a fool.

A FOOL.

 

[Luco]

The discussion wasn't even about that, it just turned into "They'll stay because of money".

lol at the friendship.



I don't like how things sort of just fly at you. You're running so fast it's hard to react to an enemy that is in the way. Plus I feel lost when I play the game. I feel like you need to know your way around levels beforehand to find the exit. Not my cup of tea.

Huh, i love that. Also, i don't have a knowledge of the levels(unless it's in my subconscious). I love running wildly around trying to find the way out. My advice is, take the high road when possible.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Remember when Captain Falcon wasn't in Brawl. I just did.

I wonder if he'll be in Smash 4

 

[Berserker.]

I think that's what I like about Sonic. You run faaaaast and don't give a **** where you're running. For some reason, I don't get killed when I'm carefree. Lol

 

[Luco]

Btw shortie, wasn't it you who brought up the subject of money when you said they weren't a major selling point for nintendo? <.< >.>

o.O O.o o.O O.o

Ahh well, no hard feelings mate. ^^

Anyways, i long for some stage discussion....

 

[Berserker.]

@NeutralB....again....: The best thing Sakruai can do is leave him be the neutral B because it doesn't matter. They look like each other anyway. This is one of the things that make we worry about Toad despite that there are many easy alternatives but it isn't a huge minus. THEN AGAIN, WE CAN'T PREDICT THE CHANCES.

Screw the arbitrary reasoning surrounding the likely and unlikely candidates. Lets talk more about gameplay.

 

[Shorts]

Btw shortie, wasn't it you who brought up the subject of money when you said they weren't a major selling point for nintendo? <.< >.>

o.O O.o o.O O.o

Sorta, I didn't want it to become the center of the discussion though. Talking sales gets really old, really quick. I originally just asked what people thought would happen to third parties.

I agree with Oasis, that talking about money is more silly than talking about Sakurai's cats.

 

[Berserker.]

To end the 3rd party discussion: Snake and Sonic might or will get removed. Placing 3rd parties as permanent characters just seems stupid. I like Snake and Sonic but it seems weird that they're staying. It all depends on Sakurai's cats then again

 

[Shorts]

To end the 3rd part discussion: Snake and Sonic might or will get removed. Placing 3rd parties as permanent characters just seems stupid. I like Snake and Sonic but it seems weird that they're staying. It all depends on Sakurai then again

They're guest characters, just sayin'. I think it's weird to keep them on as permanent cast too.