Warheart_666
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You know what could be a solution?
That some characters appear on 3DS and some others on Wii U, because then there would be room for both obvious and experimental characters...
How does that sound?
The thing is it may have to break the original mold in order to work in Smash. I thought that when he uses it, he'll turn into a different character and use it's moves. But the problem becomes that with 40+ characters, it would be hard to make sure Zorark's attacking works with every character. Either Zoroark uses the animation with Zoroark's parameters or there would be extra animations for each characters for Zoroark.Tri-Hy and I were discussing something like this. The big problem is that Illusion provides nothing of actual substance. In other words, it's like a hologram. Your idea is much better suited for Ditto.
Oh, you mean this.Another idea:
What if Illusion was a special move that created a CPU copy of Zoroark? The CPU wouldn't do anything, doesn't edgeguard (can grab the edge at the same time as it), does no damage. Disappears when you attack it. etc.
Kind of like a lesser version of the Ice Climbers. For fake outs.
I agree with Kuma, so I don't think it's in the stars.![]()
And we're not having this discussion again.
This is what I was suggesting earlier after seeing Double in Skullgirls who uses scrapped animations for the other characters for all of her attacks including three characters who haven't been made playable yet.The thing is it may have to break the original mold in order to work in Smash. I thought that when he uses it, he'll turn into a different character and use it's moves. But the problem becomes that with 40+ characters, it would be hard to make sure Zorark's attacking works with every character. Either Zoroark uses the animation with Zoroark's parameters or there would be extra animations for each characters for Zoroark.
This idea is trying to avoid that.
I, for one, think Pkmn Trainer has a better chance than just "alright".VIP: Pikachu and Jigglypuff
Best: Lucario and Mewtwo (Was PLANNED for SSBB, so obviously, Mewtwo has a strong chance of returning).
Alright: Pkmn Trainer
Low: Pichu
And this is why Arcanine is the "Legendary" Pokemon.Also, Seviper eh? You'll enjoy this then.
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Never heard of Awesomenauts. lol
Never heard of Awesomenauts. lol
That was just an idea that suddenly popped into my head, which I haven't seen anyone give any comments on it yet suprisingly. :O
Although I suddenly want someone in Smash to fight with their tongue...
I think there is a (tiny) chance that Sakurai and co may have exclusive console characters (like 1 or 2) that you can transfer with the purchase/connection to the other game...And we're not having this discussion again.
That's you I said about your mawm! OH SNAPPIDY SNAPPY SNIP SNAP SNIPPY!!!Pretty par for the course if you ask me.
Although I suddenly want someone in Smash to fight with their tongue...
That's not a bad idea. However, it is not required. I just want the Pokémon to be able to be independent of each other. Whether this means that pressing or holding a button when you die makes you come out as a specific Pokémon, it doesn't matter to me.Have the Pokemon switch with the taunt buttons and give them their own Down Bs and there you go.
Wait, haven't you been all for Zoroark all this time=???I'm starting to wonder if Zoroark is only best suited for being a Pokeball summon.
Impa does, but only in the Oracles of Seasons manga. *shudders*Do Malon and Cremia have a breast smothering move?
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PORYGON FOR SMASH FOUR OMG YESAnd as far as Mr. Warheart goes, I kind of like the sound of his logic. "I like a Pokemon so that Pokemon should get in."
You have got to be kidding with that, that would be good for any single franchise, especially one as large as the Pokemon franchise. I still stand by the belief that a franchise is not going to jump above six, it seems far too unlikely. The only way that'll happen is if Sakurai does last minute clone editions, and considering Brawl and some of the anger towards them, he will not likely pull a move like that. Not to mention, the roster is now very large, so there is no reason to beef it up with filler clones.Keping the same old Pokemon roster from Brawl while adding only one new Pokemon plus one old Pokemon from Melee? Boring.
I'll be buying one of them and my brother will likely get the opposite.Also, is anyone going to get Pkmn Black2 and/or White2? I am. That Anime shortclip has forced me to (And me being a PokeFan forces me to buy it, so I'll buy BOTH of them :o)
He wasn't mad really, Hoots was just trying to be a... well, you know.Hoots. Don't be mad. He's just a new guy. Take it easy.
Indeed we are.yeah, this forum seems to be nice -_-
I don't think Zoroark should be doing a move that well, doesn't accurately fit with the actual move. If he can't have it, either put him in without it (does he seem unfitting afterwards?) or put him as a pokeball that has it as has been suggested.The thing is it may have to break the original mold in order to work in Smash. I thought that when he uses it, he'll turn into a different character and use it's moves. But the problem becomes that with 40+ characters, it would be hard to make sure Zorark's attacking works with every character. Either Zoroark uses the animation with Zoroark's parameters or there would be extra animations for each characters for Zoroark.
This idea is trying to avoid that.
There isn't room for two Ghirahim posters around these parts Kuma.[COLLAPSE="Lord Ghirahim"][/COLLAPSE]![]()
Now that I think about it, even revealing a returning veteran would be fine I suppose, but a newcomer would supply us with more Post Rations. I mean, when would we hear of SSB4 again?Yeah, I'd like more veterans. Maybe like all the original 8 and a few more starter characters. I say save the newcomers for later. However, revealing 1 newcomer is a brilliant idea.)
I was thinking that as well. Just have Zoroark use Illusion to pretend to be another Pokeball Pokemon and suprise opponents.I'm starting to wonder if Zoroark is only best suited for being a Pokeball summon.
On Pokemon Trainer:However, I do think that you should be able to choose any of the other 2 Pokémon... somehow.
Wait, haven't you been all for Zoroark all this time=???If so... HOLY CRAP! MIND IS BLOWN!!!
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That's ok. Fat Impa is best Impa.Impa does, but only in the Oracles of Seasons manga. *shudders*
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Meah, I don't think it will get much support.I am still thinking that Meloetta is a dark horse for the newcomer spot. If it becomes a regular character in the Pokemon anime (or at least for the remainder of Best Wishes), it could end up becoming the most recognizable 5th-generation legendary.
Nintendo World in November... if it's happening this year. I am unsure. If not, Nintendo's Press Conference thing is sometime around then.Now that I think about it, even revealing a returning veteran would be fine I suppose, but a newcomer would supply us with more Post Rations. I mean, when would we hear of SSB4 again?
Hopefully he get's a revival because I'm still bummed about the Mach Rider Unchained rumor being false. 4chan likes to mess with people's hopes and dreams.But now this discussion is on the epicness of Mach Rider and why he should be the new "retro revival" character like Pit and the Ice Climbers.
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Just look at that redesign given in Melee!
Well, it doesn't require a complex chart!On Pokemon Trainer:
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Skullgirls, like CvS2, allows you to set up your team sizes. As you can see, health and damage are adjusted depending on the matchups. Pokemon Trainer could work like this. You could go solo or have a team of two/three characters.
I think it could work, although the concept of it would have to be seriously nuked to be nerfed from what some people are saying it should be. I'm not surprised people are making out such a character to be broken. I remember pre-Brawl some guy had a :sonicbrawl: moveset, and all of :sonicbrawl:'s moves did at least 20%. He had at least a dozen super early kill moves.And I've never been for Zoroark. If anything, I've been pointing out the flaws in her Illusion being adaptable and that she shouldn't be in if it can't be implemented.
A character from one series won't replace a character from a totally different series, even if they are both lupine. If anything, he would "replace" Lucario. (it wouldn't be an actual replacement, Lucario would just be cut for lack of time).I'll begin with Zoroark:
I've never played any 5th Gen Pokemon games, so I don't know very much about him. When I look at his design (how he looks like), I think he looks kinda cool. I think he also has a extremely small chance to even replace Wolf (though I'm not 100% sure and I still probably want to keep Wolf) because both of them looks like villains and Zoroark could almost play like Wolf, but without Blaster and Reflector of course.
I'm not saying that he shouldn't be in SSB, but compared with other Pokemon out there, how popular is he? I personally think that Mewtwo is overall a better choice just because he's just more memorable than what Zoroark will ever be. And if Zoroark can't have his ability, he loses a lot of his character... so I don't know...
Meowth could work, but he isn't especially likely. He isn't as popular as he used to be, but he's probably the most likely 1st gen newcomer. (other than Mewtwo -- who isn't a newcomer).Meowth:
I kinda like this Pokemon and I'm not sure why LOL, maybe because of his appearance or that he could be a funny partner for Jigglypuff.
I want to know a little more about him, I want to know how he could be a possible SSB fighter, how can fit in and why is he a popular candidate? If I can get some answers, I might support him even more
But right now, I kinda like this guy (even though the anime is horrible)
Mewtwo and Lucario weren't as similar as everybody seems to think they were, and neither will Zoroark if he is included, but I think I get what you mean. True, Metagross would be more different than Zoroark and Lucario, but the same could be said for pretty much any Pokemon that isn't a canine-based bipedal. And technically we already do have a quadruped Pokemon.When I compare Melee and Brawl, I see that they've followed the same path, kept the same playstyle or whatever I should call this. Pikachu and Jigglypuff in all games and most notably, the difference between Mewtwo and Lucario. What's unique about Lucario is because of his Aura and that's pretty much about it. And if Zoroark will be added, will he follow the same path as what Mewtwo and Lucario, or will he take a different one? This is exactly why I prefer Metagross because the choice will be a lot easier. He's a heavyweight fighter (not too big) and he's got four legs and that's already good factors for experimenting.
So is Ferrothorn, but he's not getting in either. I think asage said it well when he categorized likelihood based on movie prominence, popularity, and relevance.Many may think that Metagross isn't popular, but he actually is in Pokemon games, he's actually one of the most used Pokemon. OK I admit, he's definitely not as popular as Pikachu, Mewtwo, Lucario, other legendaries or some other Pokemon (he also rivals with Tyranitar) but like I said above, he's got more stuff to play around with.
Uniqueness doesn't equal popularity or likeliness. Even if it did, there are so many other Pokemon that would also play differently that the ones currently playable. Metagross really doesn't stand out that much when compared to other popular pokemon that would provide unique movesets.So my question is, why can't we choose a different path, instead of sticking with the same, and extend the boundaries even more?
For me, it really doesn't matter what Pokemon there will be, I just want to see a mix of classic and new playstyles and when I mean new, I mean something completely different than what I've seen so far. And since I don't like gimmicky characters, I want the characters to be solid rather than having a completely random playstyle.
It's only complex because both sides can adjust their team sizes. I think this solution is better because I know most people liked to only play with one of them, but you had those that preferred to use them all as a team. You could simplify the chart above for the Pokemon Trainer like so:Regardless, Mach Rider is a BAMF!
Well, it doesn't require a complex chart!
Just keep it simple. Make each of thetbrawl:'s Pokémon with their individual stats and whatnot. And get ride of the dumb HP system. Nobody liked that. And by nobody, I mean not a soul. People with souls don't count.
As for switching (when you get KO'd), just make it like holding down the L-button for
harizardbrawl:, the R-button for :ivysaurbrawl:, and the B-button for :squirtlebrawl:. It's really that simple.
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I just have a hard time seeing it being anything but a gimmick or something horribly unbalanced on either end of the spectrum.I think it could work, although the concept of it would have to be seriously nuked to be nerfed from what some people are saying it should be. I'm not surprised people are making out such a character to be broken. I remember pre-Brawl some guy had a :sonicbrawl: moveset, and all of :sonicbrawl:'s moves did at least 20%, and he had at least a dozen super early kill moves.![]()
I agree about Deoxys, but he's more likely than Metagross.Honestly, I think Zoroark looks like a semi-rip off of Lucario, Houndoom, and Mightyena.
Also, as much as I like Deoxys (although not anymore as a playable character), he ain't gonna be playable. He was Pokéball'd fairly early in the Brawl Dojo, and he seems best suited as an OP legendary Pokéball Pokémon that destroys everything on the stage.![]()