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[ChronoBound]

CHRONOBOUND.

Your thoughts on Takamaru.

Go.

Spoiler

please.

I think Takamaru has a really good shot at being the "retro revival" character for Smash 4. I have not played Nazo no Murasame, so I cannot judge the quality of his game. The other retro revival character I could see them going with would be Mach Rider. Other possible dark horses for "retro revival" also include Lip, Sabure Prince, and Sukapon. I think Takamaru has the edge though to how there has been more attention given to Nazo no Murasame than the other retro titles.

 

[Oasis_S]

I think I just remembered that he's on your roster, because I remembered that you put him in the wrong spot.

You should put your roster in the discussion ground betting thread, btw.

 

[Shorts]

I think I just remembered that he's on your roster, because I remembered that you put him in the wrong spot.

You should put your roster in the discussion ground betting thread, btw.

Yes, shameless promotion. excellent.

 

[Bowserlick]

I think Takamaru and Legend of Zelda were released around the same time and both share similar features and the slanted birds-eye-view perspective.

Same with Metroid and Kid Icarus. Both released around the same time and sharing a certain style.

Takamaru seems to be the only one out of the four not in a Smash title as a selectable character. He would complete the quartet.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Link and Takamaru would make a good tag team

 

[Oasis_S]

I think Takamaru and Legend of Zelda were released around the same time and both share similar features and the slanted birds-eye-view perspective.

Same with Metroid and Kid Icarus. Both released around the same time and sharing a certain style.

Takamaru seems to be the only one out of the four not in a Smash title as a selectable character. He would complete the quartet.

Yerp. Two Sets of Sister-Series.

The FDS Four. BD

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

^ I approve. But I dunno would this Modern Link in a sense... maybe Modern Link's more familiar with Sakura Samurai?

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

I have not played Nazo no Murasame, so I cannot judge the quality of his game.

I'd put it on the same level as the first Castlevania.

 

[yani]

@Chrono how do the Japanese feel about Shulk?

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Where has Meloetta been officially unveiled? I think its known that Meloetta will be the main Pokemon for the 2012 Pokemon movie Pikachu short, but was it given an official unveil in the same manner as Keldeo so far?

I think Genesect is being saved for 2013.

I may be wrong, but I believe she was officially unveiled in the last Famitsu. If nothing else, the Pokémon Company has released her official artwork, so that's pretty unveil-ish.

 

[---]

I'd put it on the same level as the first Castlevania.

Agreed. Great game, but hard as ****.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I agree so much with Toise. The best way to describe that game is "NINJAS, NINJAS, EVERYWHERE"

Oh, and even the first boss is already way too hard. (-0_p_)

 

[Opossum]

For those who don't have the game, here's a ridiculously fast speed run.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ4NUa-vydI

 

[Lukingordex]

Someone here agree with more non-nintendo characters for SSB4?

 

[Metal Overlord]

Depeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeends on what you mean by "Non-Nintendo" characters

Want characters like SSJ4 Gogeta/SpongeBob/Master Chief for Smash? Then Imma smack ya stupid *** in the face

Now if we talkin about characters Pac-Man/Mega Man/Kazuya Viewtiful Joe for Smash? Then HELL yeah I'm down for that

 

[Lukingordex]

I am indifferent for non-Nintendo characters.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Indifferent? But you just said there should be more "non-Nintendo characters"

 

[Lukingordex]

No, I only asked for opinions about it.

 

[---]

I agree so much with Toise. The best way to describe that game is "NINJAS, NINJAS, EVERYWHERE"

Oh, and even the first boss is already way too hard. (-0_p_)

Same here. I haven't been able to get past the first boss for the life of me.

For those who don't have the game, here's a ridiculously fast speed run.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZ4NUa-vydI

Speed runs always make me sad to see just how weak I am at certain games. At least I can speed run Mega Man (1).

 

[Metal Overlord]

Oh, well nvm then, Lukin

Only 2 months more to go till E3, yall

 

[Arcadenik]

I think Takamaru and Legend of Zelda were released around the same time and both share similar features and the slanted birds-eye-view perspective.

Same with Metroid and Kid Icarus. Both released around the same time and sharing a certain style.

Takamaru seems to be the only one out of the four not in a Smash title as a selectable character. He would complete the quartet.

Yerp. Two Sets of Sister-Series.

The FDS Four. BD

Melee and Brawl each added two retro newcomers. If this trend continues into Smash 4, add Duck Hunt Dog as the second retro newcomer to complete the third set. The NES Deluxe Set - R.O.B./Gyromite and Zapper/Duck Hunt.

Mario vs. R.O.B. vs. Duck Hunt Dog vs. Mii would be amazing. It is like you have a big reunion of Super Mario Bros., Gyromite, Duck Hunt, and World Class Track Meet (the Wii Sports of the NES).

 

[Opossum]

After seeing the Murasame Castle Speedrun, I really want this song in Smash 4...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldHLTWxAeVc

 

[---]

After seeing the Murasame Castle Speedrun, I really want this song in Smash 4...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ldHLTWxAeVc

That's why I have it on my stage concept.

 

[Deleted member]

Where has Meloetta been officially unveiled? I think its known that Meloetta will be the main Pokemon for the 2012 Pokemon movie Pikachu short, but was it given an official unveil in the same manner as Keldeo so far?

I think Genesect is being saved for 2013.

How is being the main Pokemon in the upcoming Pikachu short not an official reveal?

It was a minor reveal, but it was a reveal, nonetheless.

EDIT: Why do people keep calling Mr. Game & Watch a Retro character? Game & Watch Gallery 1-3 were out before Melee, which made Mr. Game & Watch out of the Retro revival category.
Is it simply because he existed before Mario?

 

[Opossum]

You have a stage concept for it? Mind bringing it back out?

On a random note, I can see this theme fitting on the stage, purely because it sounds Japanese-ish. Kinda. Unfitting for the action of the game, but funny in retrospect?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjyKfSkAN5E

 

[---]

Here. I probably have to update the music with some from Sakura Samurai though.

Spoiler

Taken from the final step in journey of the samurai apprentice Takamaru, it's the mysterious Murasame Castle!

Over all it's a pretty simple stage. As fighting takes place a top the highest balconey and roof of the castle.

The only main gimake is that occationally (if item's are turned on) friendly Tanookis will appear to aid fighters by dropping items if attacked. Also occasionally, the final boss, the Murasame Statue, itself will blast a hole in the center of the stage. However, just like the Metal Gears it does nothing but look on mensisingly.

Other then that it's a pretty atmospheric stage; it glows an eerie purple color and lightning repeatly strikes the top of the castle in the background. Also within the background one may see the 4 beginning castles Takamaru must visit can also be sited each all growing their own eerie colors. Along with Ninjas who jump around the stage's background.

Stage Name: Murasame Castle
Stage Icon: Japanese Castle

Stage Example:

x_______x
/xxxxxxxxx\
x________x

Tracks:
Nazo no Murasamejo - Main Theme - Douchuumen
Nazo no Murasamejo - Castle Theme
Nazo no Murasamejo - Murasame's Theme (Final Boss)
Famicom Detective Club Part II - Title Theme
Kirby's Adventure - Forest Area
Pokemon HeartGold/SoulSilver - Summoning Dance
Hotel Dusk: Room 215 - Violet Sky
Legend of Zelda: Oracle of Seasons & Ages - Tarm Ruins
StarTropics II: Zoda's Revenge - Main Dungeon
Shin Onigashima - Shin Onigashima (Brawl)
Nazo no Murasamejo - Douchuumen (Original) (Brawl)
Mega Man 6 - Yamato Man (If MM is in)

Credit also goes to Star for helping me out with the music.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Arca-psychedelica
Melee added Mr. Game and Watch, the Ice Climbers, and Marth all of whom were retro then.
Brawl added Pit and R.O.B. (who were purely retro) as well as fairly old/long-time characters (as in over 10 years old at the time of release) Snake, Sonic, Meta Knight, King Dedede, The Pokémon Trainer (with Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard), and Zero Suit Samus. I think we often forget that characters like Meta Knight are not just long-lasting and modern, but also retro as well. I think that's where we'll get a bulk of the newcomers, just like in Melee and in Brawl.

John, ICWUTUDIDTHAR with my username. But doesn't that mean Diddy should've been demoted long ago?

Diddy Kong is now Impa Lover Hairy Freak of Nature.

It's kind of funny how we barely post in the 3ds Sm4sh discussion while the Wii U one is so active.

That's because we all know what console Smash Bros. games look like. Handheld Smash Bros. games are unfamiliar to us, and detached to us (thus far), which is why we avoid it. It's proven that we as humans like familiar things. We have to "warm up" to new things, much like how small children have to "warm up" to newly born siblings.

This is the order I would put the characters for the next Smash in terms of weight with Ridley and K. Rool added:

1. K. Rool
2. Bowser
3. DK
4. Ridley
5. DeDeDe

[COLLAPSE="I would say this would be a better order (from heaviest to lightest):"]
1. K. Rool
2. Bowser (possibly even with K. Rool)
3. Ganondorf
4. Mewtwo
5. Donkey Kong
6. Ridley
7. Lucario
8. Samus
9. Ike
10. Charizard
11. King Dedede (possibly even with Charizard)
12: Wario
13: Snake
14: Link (possibly even with Snake)
15: Captain Falcon (possibly even with Snake and/or Link)
16: R.O.B.

The areas around 4-7, 8-10, and 11-15 or so would be pretty close weight-wise, and you could mix and match them I guess. I changed this list quite a bit while I made it, actually! [/COLLAPSE]

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Great idea! What a wonderful easter egg that would be. Have we seen Metaknight without his helmet? I guess he would look just like Kirby.

Well I didn't say that Meta Knight's mask would break. It would just get a scar after all the beatings that he took. The same would also apply to Captain Falcon's helmet.

 

[Wizzrobe]

Oh, well nvm then, Lukin

Only 2 months more to go till E3, yall

Man, I can't believe how close it is already...

 

[Johnknight1]

Meta Knight is the same species as Kirby. We've seen a bit of his head without his helmet, but nothing much!

I just read another Japanese post referencing overseas popularity, this time it was with Punch-Out. I think Ridley and Little Mac are going to be fine, seeing as even Japanese Smash fans are aware of their Western popularity.

Sweetness. I'm not surprised that Japanese smashers are spying on us... although they might be surprised you and others are spying on them Chrono.

 

[Wizzrobe]

Meta Knight is the same species as Kirby. We've seen a bit of his head without his helmet, but nothing much!





We have seen his entire face. just look it up on google they are plenty of pictures and stuff of his entire face.

 

[Jeffbelittle]

Hey guys,

Sorry if I came out at all hostile when I talked about Sonic characters! I just wanted half a shot to think about it >:C

Anyways, if I had to come up with one aside from Shadow, since apparently we're afraid of Shadow being a clone, why not either Knuckles or Amy Rose?

Knuckles has a nice jab, an upper cut side tilt (from the 3rd jab of his SA2 punch), a dig (think Kirby Velocity down b with some superior armor frames coming back up from "underground"), a glide like Pit, I think the tools are there. Low kick d tilt, an Up special probably that lends himself into the gliding position (and by gliding I mean a nerf from pit's, a buff from Charizards. If you can imagine that)

He'd be a middly heavy weight class, size close to mario, and he'd actually be an interesting character.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

I still don't see why people want Ridley to be super heavy. His bones look to be quite hollow, so you'd think that he'd be closer to the middleweight category.

 

[Wizzrobe]

Hey guys,

Sorry if I came out at all hostile when I talked about Sonic characters! I just wanted half a shot to think about it >:C

Anyways, if I had to come up with one aside from Shadow, since apparently we're afraid of Shadow being a clone, why not either Knuckles or Amy Rose?

Knuckles has a nice jab, an upper side tilt (from the 3rd jab of his SA2 punch), a dig (think Kirby Velocity down b with some superior armor frames coming back up from "underground"), a glide like Pit, I think the tools are there. Low kick d tilt, an Up special probably that lends himself into the gliding position (and by gliding I mean a nerf from pit's, a buff from Charizards. If you can imagine that)

He'd be a middly heavy weight class, size close to mario, and he'd actually be an interesting character.

Ugh, I don't really want to see Amy Rose that much. She would be a joke.

Were probably going to get tails, knuckles, or shadow before we get Amy.

 

[Deleted member]

ib4heragesabouthowtailssucksandisundeserving

Damn SmashBoards spacing out my phrase...

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Mario & Sonic & Rosalina Guy
I think it has to do with his height, and also because Ridley literally could have heavier muscle per length/width measurement than us. Ridley also probably has no fat.

Most of us see Ridley as bigger than Bowser. Thus, we think he will weigh a bit less than Samus. If Ridley was as big as Samus (like in the EXTREMELY EPIC Melee intro video), however, he would probably weigh about as much as Samus.

@ People talking about Sonic characters not named Sonic as prospect playable characters
Amy Rose ain't gonna be playable. It's most likely Tails or nobody, and even Tails has the odds weighed against him (seeing as how a trillion companies want their characters in smash bros). As much as I love Knuckles, that isn't happening either.

 

[Deleted member]

There's a difference between companies wanting their characters in the game, and them actually putting in the EFFORT to get them in.

This is why I feel 3rd Parties will be very limited; only Kojima was willing to put in the effort to have Snake in the game. Sonic was purely due to the sheer fan demand; Sega did nothing to get him in while Sakurai contacted THEM.

If no one was willing to put in the effort for Brawl, it seems unlikely they would put in the effort now, save for probably Capcom with Mega Man. (But even then, they said it was up to Nintendo, so again, not willing to put in the effort)

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

At this point, I'd say that only Tails would have the best shot at being playable. Everyone else would probably end up as trophy references, stage elements, or even Assist Trophies. Of course, Eggman could always get a boss role.

 

[Jeffbelittle]

Ugh, I don't really want to see Amy Rose that much. She would be a joke.

Were probably going to get tails, knuckles, or shadow before we get Amy.

I get where you're coming from where you'd be afraid of her being a joke, but looking at princess peach's move set, I think were already there :v

Frying Pan
Hip Check
Tainty little float
Umbrella Float
Turnips
Having Toad protect her
Little slaps resembling the Smash64 fan



Least with Amy Rose you have a god damn mallet of wtf to use. But I agree. I don't think she'd be the first of the series.

My order of importance, though controversial, would be:

-Sonic (obvious reasons)

-Shadow (Approaches to much of the new audience that WiiU will undoubtly also need to cater to NOT have him next. Besides, he's got multiple games and probably one of if not the deepest story line about his character than anyone else in the series)

-Knuckles (Fans want him, he's cool. He's unique. He provides something different than the other characters)

-Dr.Eggman (Very gimmicky, easy to make a bunch of moves up for him sense he's a techno freak anyways, been an arch rival since the beginning)

-Tails (...it's TAILS)



What I hope Sakurai doesn't do is look at his newer group of fans and think he needs to get anyone from Team Kaotic. If I see the god damn alligator or the ninja get in before Knuckles I'll cry.

 

[Johnknight1]

There's a difference between companies wanting their characters in the game, and them actually putting in the EFFORT to get them in.

This is why I feel 3rd Parties will be very limited; only Kojima was willing to put in the effort to have Snake in the game. Sonic was purely due to the sheer fan demand; Sega did nothing to get him in while Sakurai contacted THEM.

Meanwhile, Capcom is basically doing all they can to say they want Mega Man in the next smash bros game, whether in interviews, having a model of him ready for Brawl, or Bara Man making a straight up reference to Super Smash Bros. Come to think of it, Mega Man has both the company pushing for him to be in Smash Bros. (like Snake) and huge fan support for him to be playable in Smash (like Sonic, although not as big as support).

The way Capcom has begged for him, how most every smash bros and Mega Man fan likes the idea, and that Mega Man truly "feels" like a Nintendo character (I consider him a Nintendo character; he's basically the biggest Nintendo 3rd party character ever), I see no reason why Mega Man won't be included in Smash Bros. Wii U and/or 3DS. The only issue would be legal loopholes, but Capcom has done so many crossovers (and Nintendo has done their fair share) that it won't be a problem. That is why I see Mega Man as a lock, and why I'm ready to play as MEGA MEGA MEGA MAAHHHNNNN!!!!

Who owns the Mariners again?

Nintendo's former President (he was President back when they were a hotel company until shortly after the Gamecube came out; that makes him a rich as HECK!) co-owns the team, although he's never been to a baseball game, ironically!

Also, it would be funny if Ken Griffey Jr. (who is one of my favorite all-time baseball players) was on a Nintendo game... on the Reds instead of the Mariners...

If Mariners A-Rod is playable, he better come with some steroids!