New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Metal Overlord]

proof or gtfo

 

[Diddy Kong]

I want that design for Link to to be honest. I found Skyward Sword Link's design a little cheap. It was basically TP Link recolored, with just minimal changes in facial features.

Impa could still have a similar appearance as Toon Link had in Brawl anyway. :/ It would work for her to be a separate character anyway in an own style given her role.

 

[augustoflores]

look at melee mario... then look at brawl mario. then look at mario galaxy mario.

 

[Weavel]

proof or gtfo

Ice climbers?

 

[yani]

So let me get this straight. He wanted Snake in Smash for his son?

But wait, he wanted to expose younger people to a rated M series? Lol. I doubt that's what he had in mind, but still.

Would be super funny if his son isn't 17+

I guess the question now is, does his son want Snake to return? Cliffhanger........

"Wonders if should be added to info thread."

Go for it! At least it's a little taste of Smash

 

[Diddy Kong]

They could still be the same character as from Skyward Sword. For Link it doesn't mather a ****, for Zelda, it would be a world of difference which Zelda you'd use.

 

[augustoflores]

skyward link had different kind of pants.

Spoiler

oh and twilight link has browning hair...

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yeah, they looked mighty comfy...

 

[Weavel]

They could still be the same character as from Skyward Sword. For Link it doesn't mather a ****, for Zelda, it would be a world of difference which Zelda you'd use.

Just use my idea on multiple costumes for select characters. Could have link with his OOT getup and TP ect.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Will Zelda change her face and everything in the same way to?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well, that's true. Yet, there wasn't a Zelda game in between those games really. All we had was OOT and MM. So that's still a logical move.

Oracle games were before Melee, actually.

Console-wise, true.

 

[augustoflores]

i don't want zelda to change to skyward zelda... that chick looks too innocent... i can't hit that face.

it's why i play as peach... people think she isn't that good... cause she's a girl... so then they get smacked around more offen

 

[Weavel]

Will Zelda change her face and everything in the same way to?

I don't see the harm in it, Its the perfect way to appease fans of past titles as well.

 

[Diddy Kong]

We should've had that awesome Gdorf Oracle design then. Sakurai, wtf?

Don't worry August, she got a bodyguard with her.

 

[augustoflores]

just how much did you love the game?

 

[Weavel]

We should've had that awesome Gdorf Oracle design then. Sakurai, wtf?

If sakurai were to use ganon oracle design, I think ppl would say hes pulling a "Dissidia" as in Final fantasy dissidia. They use modified artwork of designs that didn't make it into the main FF games.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

We should've had that awesome Gdorf Oracle design then. Sakurai, wtf?

Nintendo probably didn't give him Sakurai the concept art. Also, it was less than a year that the Oracle games were released. He may have decided on the OOT design first. Remember, while it's true that Young Link was obviously Majora's Mask inspired, they were all n64 era anyway.

Just like in Brawl, everybody was GameCube era.

 

[yani]

Don't worry August, she got a bodyguard with her.

That will help her travel to OoT so she can transform again

PM me if you wanna Brawl

 

[Diddy Kong]

Nintendo probably didn't give him Sakurai the concept art. Also, it was less than a year that the Oracle games were released. He may have decided on the OOT design first. Remember, while it's true that Young Link was obviously Majora's Mask inspired, they were all n64 era anyway.

Just like in Brawl, everybody was GameCube era.

My guess is that he was already checking out the future of Ganondorf with that tech demo, why else would he have a sword then? Not that he used it... But yeah.

Also: this is quite interessting: http://www.zeldainformer.com/2011/1...ination-or-a-paradox-of-epic-proportions.html

Spoilers for Skyward Sword of coarse.

 

[augustoflores]

"Just like in Brawl, everybody was GameCube era."
except rob, captain falcon, ice climbers, lucas, mario, luigi, peach, bowser, etc

 

[Diddy Kong]

And THANK GOD the Kongs have unique designs in Brawl... I couldn't handle to play as Jungle Beat Donkey Kong, or a Jungle Beat-inspired Diddy (though much less so, it would make up for the fact of him not being there).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Augustoflores: I was talking about the Zelda characters only.

@Diddy: I won't click then. I'm watching a playthrough.

And he may have added the sword later on, but decided to scrap it when there wasn't time. I agree that the sword situation is odd as hell. I won't rule out that he could've thought of using the sword first, though.

 

[augustoflores]

yeah... i am pretty literal... when i read "everyone" i include everyone... i could have included some Assist trophies...

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'm pretty much guessing that a sword would've been Ganondorf's first chosen playstyle to make him work in Smash, as he didn't much fought physically himself in OOT the first place. He just floated and threws magical balls at you...

Which is still a lot better than being a Captain Falcon clone. But yeah...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It's entirely possible, I admit. Then again, he didn't want another sword user, probably didn't have time to implement it all, so went with making him a kickass clone. He still rocked in Melee regardless.

 

[Diddy Kong]

He was only enjoyable because he was somewhat good. Then again, that's where Sheik mainly got all her popularity from so I refuse to be surprised...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

He was only enjoyable because he was somewhat good. Then again, that's where Sheik mainly got all her popularity from so I refuse to be surprised...

You were playing as the main Zelda villain. That's a key point to the popularity. People don't play characters just because of their playstyle. That may be who they become good with.

But a ton choose characters because they already liked that character.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Or because the character is a ninja, a hinted transexual and a easy to learn, yet extremely powerful character compared to the rest of the cast (top of the Melee tiers for quite some years).

 

[Disfunkshunal]

Or because that's just who they felt most comfortable with.
Why are we listing reasons again? It's no accurate way to prove which one reason is the most common and if we were to ever find it out it won't have any bearing on wether impa/sheiks chances increase or decrease.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Everyone feels comfortable with Melee Sheik. She's so easy to learn, and so extremely good at the same time. Everyone would notice that directly.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Or because the character is a ninja, a hinted transexual and a easy to learn, yet extremely powerful character compared to the rest of the cast (top of the Melee tiers for quite some years).

Diddy, people chose her because she wanted to play as her. There was not a tier list for a long time. Maybe later they did, but not from the start. That's just not how it works when a game is first played. Seriously.

They recognize her from OOT, and thought "hey, she's cool! She was from that awesome game!" Being a ninja? Who knows. Also, she's female. Knock that crap off. You know it's against the rules, so don't mention it again.

 

[augustoflores]

i choose peach because she is good, because my opponents are idiots who think peach is bad so they come in with lowered expectations, because her metagame is fun to exploit, and because for some strange reason, i only main girls in fighting games so it's an upkeep of my own spirit... no my spirit isn't female... my zanpakuto is.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

Everyone feels comfortable with Melee Sheik. She's so easy to learn, and so extremely good at the same time. Everyone would notice that directly.

I didn't. Sheik was even in my top 10 in melee.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Neither was she in mine, but I could play her easily if I had to.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

I wasn't saying that you couldn't I was just disproving your sweeping generalization. I don't really mind any other points you bring up but the point that people only like sheik because she's easy and good is so incredibly wrong and is one of the most unjustfied groundless generalizations I've seen on this board.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Well, it's not entirely baseless I'm thinking. Surely people would recognise Sheik if they played Zelda. But her role wasn't too great, and I'd in fact say that most of her popularity came from Melee.

How she was designed to play as has a lot to do with this too. And it in fact also really helps she's easy to learn, yet extremely rewarding.

Do you think most Marth mains / fans / enthousiasts for example are die hard Fire Emblem fans? I'm not complaining cause he's in fact really re-occuring at this point and he's the face of Fire Emblem so...

Spoiler

In fact, most Fire Emblem forums still get the question: R MARTH / ROY / IKE IN DIZ GAEM?? from time to time.

 

[Metal Overlord]

It's not really that simple, Diddy

 

[Weavel]

Well, it's not entirely baseless I'm thinking. Surely people would recognise Sheik if they played Zelda. But her role wasn't too great, and I'd in fact say that most of her popularity came from Melee.

How she was designed to play as has a lot to do with this too. And it in fact also really helps she's easy to learn, yet extremely rewarding.

Do you think most Marth mains / fans / enthousiasts for example are die hard Fire Emblem fans? I'm not complaining cause he's in fact really re-occuring at this point and he's the face of Fire Emblem so...

Spoiler

In fact, most Fire Emblem forums still get the question: R MARTH / ROY / IKE IN DIZ GAEM?? from time to time.

Hey Diddy, Heres a thought for that maybe could work.

What if zelda would call on Impa and switch with her and then fight instead of turning into shiek? It would reasonable make much more sense with the skyward sword version.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

You're narrowing reasons to play a character down to too few factors it's more than accessibility and familiarity. I liked Roy in melee because if his neutral B that has nothing to do with either if your parameters. I liked ness in 64 because if his unique recovery again nothing to do with your parameters. While I have heard if Zelda and played some of the games in the series I have never completed one all the way through yet I have mained an incarnation of link in all 3 smash bros and toon link was just recently made high tier. See where in going?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Hey Diddy, Heres a thought for that maybe could work.

What if zelda would call on Impa and switch with her and then fight instead of turning into shiek? It would reasonable make much more sense with the skyward sword version.

Yes, this has been suggested a lot of times before. And also by me. The beauty lies in the simplicity.

You're narrowing reasons to play a character down to too few factors it's more than accessibility and familiarity. I liked Roy in melee because if his neutral B that has nothing to do with either if your parameters. I liked ness in 64 because if his unique recovery again nothing to do with your parameters. While I have heard if Zelda and played some of the games in the series I have never completed one all the way through yet I have mained an incarnation of link in all 3 smash bros and toon link was just recently made high tier. See where in going?

Yes, you like the playstyle more than the character mostly. Which is why I want to keep Sheik's playstyle in at all cost with Impa. I could easily suggest many other Zelda characters instead of her, and Sheik would still be gone. Then again, I don't like any other Zelda character as much as Impa so that solves a lot of stuff.