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[ChronoBound]

The only metroid rep that has any significant chance other than Ridley is Dark Samus.

You are correct.

Its pretty much Ridley or bust though.

Also, I am really disappointed that F-Zero got the least content of any series in Brawl that was a Mario spinoff series or a retro series. F-Zero only had one playable character, one Assist Trophy, and two stages. It had no third stage, no second playable character, no items, and no boss battle. Mother, a series with only three installments two of which are Japan-only, received two playable characters, two stages, one Assist Trophy, one boss battle, and two items.

F-Zero and Donkey Kong really are the most shafted series in Smash Bros.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Even though many of us are against your tirades about Anthony Higgs, I need you to do me a favor, Diddy.

Convince Weavel that the Hunters are behind Anthony in terms of who is deserving and likely.

Of coarse, my pleasure.

What Anthony has above all the Hunter character is basically: actual character. While I cannot say that the Hunters wouldn't be interessting, one thing still comes up: none of them really stands out on their own. They're all pretty much exclusive to Metroid Hunters. A game that isn't exactly received well, neither advertised much, recent, or planned to be remade or getting a sequal.

While Other M wasn't received as well either, it at least follows up to the basic story of the series overall, and it was hugely promoted in a 'IT'S THE NEW METROID, OH SHI- WE MUST ****ING HAVE THIS GAME' all it did was being a mostly misunderstood game. That, and Samus finally had a few new and old friends in this game, namely Adam and Anthony. They both are pretty iconic to Other M, and influence the main story line a lot. And it's easy to say that Anthony (the one actually fighting and doing ****) would be chosen over Adam, as well as for storyline reasons (

Spoiler

****ed Ridley up good, dodged his attack, we all thought he was killed but NOOOO, being the manly badass he is he ****ing survives and dodges a direct attack from RIDLEY while wearing super heavy armor and swining around a super heavy *** laser gun. And yells him that he GOT NO STYLE!

).

He's basically Samus' best friend from old times. I doubt he'll get forgotten with the series, much like how Adam got his character lived out in this exact same game (first appearing somewhat in Metroid Fusion) thus I think him being in Smash would be a better idea, as to get more familiar with this MANLY fellow as a supporting character to Samus.

EDIT: Wheren't YOU the one playing with items on HyperFalcon I got those 12 KOs without items, just raw usage of Gdorf. He's bad yes, very bad, but if he had Melee's Down B, he'd be much better already. That alone is a fact.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Spoiler

Be that way then, Weavel

I honestly wouldn't care if BOTH F-Zero and DK ended up getting 2 new characters each

 

[LC-DDM]

We should get Scott Pilgrim for Smash 4.

 

[Weavel]

Of coarse, my pleasure.

What Anthony has above all the Hunter character is basically: actual character. While I cannot say that the Hunters wouldn't be interessting, one thing still comes up: none of them really stands out on their own. They're all pretty much exclusive to Metroid Hunters. A game that isn't exactly received well, neither advertised much, recent, or planned to be remade or getting a sequal.

While Other M wasn't received as well either, it at least follows up to the basic story of the series overall, and it was hugely promoted in a 'IT'S THE NEW METROID, OH SHI- WE MUST ****ING HAVE THIS GAME' all it did was being a mostly misunderstood game. That, and Samus finally had a few new and old friends in this game, namely Adam and Anthony. They both are pretty iconic to Other M, and influence the main story line a lot. And it's easy to say that Anthony (the one actually fighting and doing ****) would be chosen over Adam, as well as for storyline reasons (

Spoiler

****ed Ridley up good, dodged his attack, we all thought he was killed but NOOOO, being the manly badass he is he ****ing survives and dodges a direct attack from RIDLEY while wearing super heavy armor and swining around a super heavy *** laser gun. And yells him that he GOT NO STYLE!

).

He's basically Samus' best friend from old times. I doubt he'll get forgotten with the series, much like how Adam got his character lived out in this exact same game (first appearing somewhat in Metroid Fusion) thus I think him being in Smash would be a better idea, as to get more familiar with this MANLY fellow as a supporting character to Samus.

Dude, The game was received VERY WELL, Does everyone ignore me when I say multiple awards and large sales? The game was a hit and a success.
Metroid Prime Hunters:
Reviews were generally favorable towards the game, which received an aggregated score of 85 out of 100 from Metacritic and a 84 percent from GameRankings. Praise focused on its gameplay and graphics, while criticism targeted its control scheme. Metroid Prime Hunters received several honors, including an Editors' Choice Award from IGN, which also named the game the Best DS Action Game of 2006. Nintendo Power gave it awards for Best Graphics, Best Shooter/Action Game, and Best Wi-Fi Functionality. Over 410,000 copies of the game were sold in North America in its first month of release, and it was the fourth best-selling game during its debut month in Japan.

Metroid Other M:
Other M has met with positive reviews, and received an aggregate score of 79% on both GameRankings and Metacritic, with much praise to its gameplay, graphics and overall atmosphere. Criticism was raised on its script, dialogue, and cutscene length, with Samus' portrayal considered a deviation from the character. Other M received an Editors' Choice Award and the award for "Coolest Atmosphere" of 2010 from IGN, was nominated for Best Wii Game of the 2010 by GameTrailers and picked by Wired as one of the best games of the year, but was also chosen as one of the worst games of the year by Entertainment Weekly and Attack of the Show!. It was the third best-selling video game in Japan during its week of release, and it was the ninth best-selling game in North America during September 2010; though the long-term sales numbers were considered disappointing by Nintendo.

Also all the hunters have backstories! All very diverse and unique amongst each other. None are ever seen talking but in future sequels, Which will definitely happen since they have been talking about anougher multiplayer metroid since its first success, After prime and even after when Other M dropped.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Why you so young Mo?

F-Zero most likely won't get 2 newcomers though. I'd prefer a Mother newcomer (Porkey, Duster, Claus, Jeff, Poo, ANYONE?) over a second F-Zero rep. But yes, Donkey Kong NEEDS it. And I expect Pokemon and Fire Emblem will have 2 characters in as well, namely through a newcomer and Mewtwo and Roy being brought back.

Though I'm still not too sure of Roy. I want him in yes, because I want 4 FE characters, but am not sure if we are gonna get 4 FE characters.

 

[Deleted member]

See? Even you are trying to pull the deserving card while useing the "I want it card" on me. First metroid DS game, Great ratings, Great gameplay,Great online and it sold really well. All of the hunters are also really developed.
Even more so then the ones in prime 3.

Because they DON'T DESERVE IT.

Deserving > "I want it".

I don't care about the dribble that comes out of your mouth about deserving, they are one-off characters from a game that is one of the two disliked in the series, the series in which, having other viable characters that are actually MAJOR (Ridley, Dark Samus, etc.).

And do you think Sakurai honestly gives a **** about whether a game is "great" by your standards? Or whether it was the first DS game for a series? Or whether a character is developed?
Here's a big hint.

Spoiler

He doesn't.

All the arguments you've given about the Hunters apply to Drawcia from Canvas Curse sans development, but then again, Kirby isn't a "character development"-happy series. If you do not support her, you are a hypocrate.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Diddy: Just saying that online isn't a very good way to judge a character. But touche on that one.

And I actually prefer to play without them. I don't use Ganondorf with items either, as he sucks there too.

 

[ChronoBound]

Spoiler

Be that way then, Weavel

I honestly wouldn't care if BOTH F-Zero and DK ended up getting 2 new characters each

I don't think F-Zero needs TWO newcomers, but it definitely deserves ONE. It makes no sense that its the only non-retro/Mario-spinoff series to not have a second playable character.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Everyone sucks with items on lol. Items are hugely overpowered in Brawl. It's like... if your playing Mario Kart Wii.

 

[Deleted member]

Hey guys, since the Hunters are so deserving, we should also have this character.
Best of all, SHE'S A CHICK.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Everyone sucks with items on lol. Items are hugely overpowered in Brawl. It's like... if your playing Mario Kart Wii.

Not the fast characters. They can utilize them well. I agree the game is widely more balanced, though.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Diddy, c'mon now, it's OBVIOUS that I'm young lol

 

[Diddy Kong]

Dude, The game was received VERY WELL, Does everyone ignore me when I say multiple awards and large sales? The game was a hit and a success.
Metroid Prime Hunters:
Reviews were generally favorable towards the game, which received an aggregated score of 85 out of 100 from Metacritic and a 84 percent from GameRankings. Praise focused on its gameplay and graphics, while criticism targeted its control scheme. Metroid Prime Hunters received several honors, including an Editors' Choice Award from IGN, which also named the game the Best DS Action Game of 2006. Nintendo Power gave it awards for Best Graphics, Best Shooter/Action Game, and Best Wi-Fi Functionality. Over 410,000 copies of the game were sold in North America in its first month of release, and it was the fourth best-selling game during its debut month in Japan.

Metroid Other M:
Other M has met with positive reviews, and received an aggregate score of 79% on both GameRankings and Metacritic, with much praise to its gameplay, graphics and overall atmosphere. Criticism was raised on its script, dialogue, and cutscene length, with Samus' portrayal considered a deviation from the character. Other M received an Editors' Choice Award and the award for "Coolest Atmosphere" of 2010 from IGN, was nominated for Best Wii Game of the 2010 by GameTrailers and picked by Wired as one of the best games of the year, but was also chosen as one of the worst games of the year by Entertainment Weekly and Attack of the Show!. It was the third best-selling video game in Japan during its week of release, and it was the ninth best-selling game in North America during September 2010; though the long-term sales numbers were considered disappointing by Nintendo.

Well, I could believe that Hunters is infact better received than Other M. But I wouldn't count that one site alone as a deciding factor for that. Then again, the Hunters still have that one problem of all being togheter, and there not being one "leader Hunter" or stuff like that. You know, one who would stand out. They all have similar roles IIRC. And that's why Anthony has the edge over them.

Mo, I don't wanna hear it. Go to bed.

HyperFalcon: Air speed has a lot to do with this to. As well as having a good shield. Speed plays a role to yes, but items spawn around anyway. That being said, I sometimes secretly wish they would just be gone from the game.

 

[Weavel]

Because they DON'T DESERVE IT.

Deserving > "I want it".

I don't care about the dribble that comes out of your mouth about deserving, they are one-off characters from a game that is one of the two disliked in the series, the series in which, having other viable characters that are actually MAJOR (Ridley, Dark Samus, etc.).

And do you think Sakurai honestly gives a **** about whether a game is "great" by your standards? Or whether it was the first DS game for a series? Or whether a character is developed?
Here's a big hint.

Spoiler

He doesn't.

All the arguments you've given about the Hunters apply to Drawcia from Canvas Curse sans development, but then again, Kirby isn't a "character development"-happy series. If you do not support her, you are a hypocrate.

You're already being an hypocrite talking about deserving, I said my peace. And I'm confident one of the hunters will show up in SSB4.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I think one of the Hunters would've shown up in Brawl if they would appear. They did have thropies in.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Kinda **** move only focusing on one (relatively unimportant) part of Golden's lengthy argument, Weavel

 

[Diddy Kong]

Isn't ***** spelled with 5 letters?

 

[Metal Overlord]

I meant **** as in, you know, the d-piece

 

[Deleted member]

Especially when I'm not being a hypocrate.

You think they're deserving because you like them. And you're trying to count Hunters being the first DS game Metroid has as well as a few reviews as why they are.

I say they aren't deserving because they aren't. This is because they are one-off characters with little to do with Metroid as a whole (and are not directly connected to Samus as Sheik is to Zelda. Yeah Diddy, I know you will try to go there.), and there are other, more deserving characters, like Ridley, Dark Samus, and Adam (though Anthony will probably beat him out).

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ah well Weavel keep on doing your thing. It's just unfortunate I picked up Anthony as an extra hobby.

Togheter we can kill the shiny blue tumor that is Dark Samus though...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Diddy: That too. I don't mind items, if they're decently designed.

Also, Anthony sounds far more interesting than the Hunters by far. Likewise, that's like putting in one Koopaling(that isn't Bowser Jr.) over the other. It doesn't work.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Exactly. Anthony is like the Bowser Jr. to the Hunters being the Koopalings.

 

[Weavel]

Especially when I'm not being a hypocrate.

You think they're deserving because you like them.

I say they aren't deserving because they aren't.

Even though many of us are against your tirades about Anthony Higgs, I need you to do me a favor, Diddy.

Convince Weavel that the Hunters are behind Anthony in terms of who is deserving and likely.

Yeah, You are.

 

[Deleted member]

Honestly, arguing with Weavel about a Hunter not being deserving is like trying to argue with a Geno fanboy about the same reason.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Exactly. Anthony is like the Bowser Jr. to the Hunters being the Koopalings.

Not exactly what I meant.

Bowser Jr. is still a Koopaling. But he's the most important one. The rest can be costumes with ease.

In order for the Hunters to work, one has to be chosen above the others(good luck with that), and the other costumes have to work as well. Plus, there needs to be a Red, Blue, and Green costume too. Perhaps Yellow as well. Can they provide that?

That's the issue with repping one out of a bunch of characters when their status is exactly the same. Jr. atleast works. The hunters don't work so well.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, You are.

I didn't say Anthony was the most deserving. I'm saying he's more deserving than the Hunters, which is true. And it has nothing to do with me liking Anthony, as I find Ridley and Dark Samus LEAGUES above him.

Try harder.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Or arguing with you guys about Sheik.

I'm slow. But y'all get it I'm sure.

Also, if you wanna make 'friends' online in Brawl, play as Captain Falcon. Had about 10 matches of only using Falcon Punch, and taunting of coarse. Good times, good times.

 

[Weavel]

I didn't say Anthony was the most deserving. I'm saying he's more deserving than the Hunters, which is true.

Try harder.

I don't need too, What you said and what I posted proved my point.
This discussion is over.

 

[---]

Kinda Silly we have to explain this again, but this is an opinion based thread...so there's no real need to be this Serious...

Also I'm pretty Sure age has nothing to due with the level of Silliness this thread has going on right now...

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Diddy: To be fair, Impa could be considered more important than Sheik. I won't deny that. Obviously, it's a bit harder due to Sakurai's obvious view on it.

Impa actually is more important than Sheik. Deserving is another story. I'd say if it weren't for Sheik getting in earlier, I'd agree Impa was far more deserving.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Weavel he can be a hardass I know. He had me on his blocklist for a long, long time.

Amongst people.

I left quite an IMPACT on this thread so to say...

 

[Metal Overlord]

Lol @ Weavel trying to end a conversation

 

[Conviction]

The last hour and a half of shuffling has me pretty relaxed.

Eh, I give up on being nice on request. Come at me people. Debates are back on board for me LOL

 

[Diddy Kong]

@Diddy: To be fair, Impa could be considered more important than Sheik. I won't deny that. Obviously, it's a bit harder due to Sakurai's obvious view on it.

Impa actually is more important than Sheik. Deserving is another story. I'd say if it weren't for Sheik getting in earlier, I'd agree Impa was far more deserving.

Thanks for saying this. As this is true. Which is why I think they should do the whole replacement thing.

 

[Conviction]

By impact you mean a scar on the thread by cause a civil war with your army composed of you, then yes.

Idk how many times people have to repeat they don't care if Impa gets in, it's the replacement of Shiek that matters.

@Metal: People duck confrontation especially if they start losing.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Thanks for saying this. As this is true. Which is why I think they should do the whole replacement thing.

Nobody should've been replaced/removed in the first place, though. I'd rather everyone was kept playable.

How about Toon Zelda(young)/Impa instead? It gets rid of Toon Sheik before she would creep up, and it gives us an awesome character too. No replacements, double characters, etc.

It works well for everyone.

 

[Big-Cat]

The last hour and a half of shuffling has me pretty relaxed.

Eh, I give up on being nice on request. Come at me people. Debates are back on board for me LOL

Where do you stand on input buffers? If you are for them, what would be considered excessive?

Do you think the music in the game should be handled by a small group ala Kid Icarus Uprising or the 20+ composers we had in Brawl?

 

[Deleted member]

I don't need too, What you said and what I posted proved my point.
This discussion is over.

 

[Conviction]

Damn, got hit with question mad quick.

Let me see...

10 frame input buffer makes things a little too easy in Brawl. Halve it imo. All the music in a stage should have some type of cohension, so I guess composed by the same group. But I want a different feel when I switch stages though.