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[ChronoBound]

That is true, and while I am a supporter of the Duck Hunt Dog, I support Sheriff more as the "historical Nintendo character" due to being Nintendo's first protagonist.

I don't think Sheriff would work since he would probably use realistic revolvers, and since Sakurai is against realistic guns in Smash Bros. that pretty much rules of Sheriff. Duck Hunt Dog, while an interesting idea from what I have seen, I don't think is realistic at all. Its all coming from a Western perspective, I don't think Duck Hunt was bundled with the Famicom in Japan or any more notable than the other NES/Famicom light gun games there as well. However, if anyone has any proof otherwise, I would be glad to see it.

 

[Deleted member]

Toad tells Mario that the princess is in another castle 7 times. The dog laughs at you every single time you miss a duck.

Infinity > 7.

Who remembers Sheriff? Who actually played Sheriff? He is Japan-only. Duck Hunt Dog is international. A lot of people all over the world has actually played Duck Hunt. People still remember the dog before the Internet became commonplace and long before the Internet and Melee educated people about Sheriff. Sheriff is forgettable. The Dog is not. If Sheriff shows up in Smash, many people would be wondering who hell is he and why he is in the game instead of someone more famous like the Duck Hunt Dog. Sheriff doesn't have the star power or the name brand like Mr. Game & Watch, R.O.B., and the Duck Hunt Dog do.

Prior to Melee:
Who remembers Mr. Game & Watch? Who actually played Game & Watch? He is Japan-only. R.O.B. is international. A lot of people around the world have actually played Gyromite and Stack-Up. People still remember the robot before the Internet became commonplace and long before the Internet and Smash 64 educated people about Mr. Game & Watch. Mr. Game & Watch is forgettable. R.O.B. is not. If Mr. Game & Watch shows up in Smash, many people would be wondering who the hell is he and why is he in the game instead of someone more famous like R.O.B. Mr. Game and Watch doesn't have the star power or the name brand like the Ice Climbers, Balloon Fighter, and R.O.B. do.

I may not be ViewtifulGene, but I think he would be proud. (BTW, Sheriff isn't Japan-only if you actually did your research. Also, the Ice Climbers were hardly popular and came from a crappy game, and still got in.)

 

[Arcadenik]

Well... Wild Gunman was bundled with the Famicom Light Gun when they came out in Japan. He is in the same boat as Sheriff as they use realistic guns. The Famicom Light Gun was designed to look like a real gun.

Duck Hunt was bundled with the Zapper Light Gun when they came out in USA. The Zapper Light Gun is designed to look like a sci-fi futuristic gun like the guns from Star Fox.

 

[Opossum]

Just make the gameboy a character and call it a day.

Well...if you want a Game Boy character...the choice is clear.


Muddy Mole!


But he would just be retro, not "historic," a la Ice Climbers.

 

[ChronoBound]

Prior to Melee:
Who remembers Mr. Game & Watch? Who actually played Game & Watch? He is Japan-only.

Game & Watch games were not Japan-only and they were made for a decade. There was also the very popular Game & Watch Gallery series that made Game & Watch games more familiar with a new generation of players. For me Mr. Game & Watch was a pleasant surprise for me because I was a big fan of the Game & Watch Gallery series.

 

[Oasis_S]

I think Sheriff has a bit more to work with since you can just build a moveset based around stereotypical cowboy junk, but it would all be made up and wouldn't really invoke anything at all from his original appearance.

I think SHALLOW would be the word for that. It seems to me that retro characters are BROUGHT BACK mostly based on how interesting they are/could be. Neither Sheriff or that dog fit the bill. Why bring back relatively forgotten characters when appearances as Assist Trophies would be more than enough to represent why they're remembered at all? We only remembered the dog because it laughs at you. You don't need to make a playable character just for that.

You bring back characters that actually ADD something to the roster.


Which Muddy would, I suppose.

Spoiler

Though there are better choices.

 

[Arcadenik]

Prior to Melee:
Who remembers Mr. Game & Watch? Who actually played Game & Watch? He is Japan-only. R.O.B. is international. A lot of people around the world have actually played Gyromite and Stack-Up. People still remember the robot before the Internet became commonplace and long before the Internet and Smash 64 educated people about Mr. Game & Watch. Mr. Game & Watch is forgettable. R.O.B. is not. If Mr. Game & Watch shows up in Smash, many people would be wondering who the hell is he and why is he in the game instead of someone more famous like R.O.B. Mr. Game and Watch doesn't have the star power or the name brand like the Ice Climbers, Balloon Fighter, and R.O.B. do.

I may not be ViewtifulGene, but I think he would be proud. (BTW, Sheriff isn't Japan-only if you actually did your research. Also, the Ice Climbers were hardly popular and came from a crappy game, and still got in.)

Game & Watch gams throughout the 1980's weren't Japan-only. Game & Watch Gallery 1-3 from 1997 to 1999. Mr. Game & Watch were in those games. Do your homework before posting misinformation on the Internet.

No one cared about Ice Climber, Balloon Fight, etc. prior to Melee. The only reason the Balloon Fighter is so heavily requested these days is because people still believe that the Balloon Fighter was planed to be in Melee. This is the power of misinformation. The only reason Ice Climbers got in over Balloon Fighter, Bubbles, Excitebike, and Urban Champion was because:

- they wouldn't be useless even if they lost their gimmick (Balloon Fighter becoming useless if his balloons popped compared to Popo still useful after losing Nana)
- they can fight (Ice Climbers can fight but Bubbles couldn't - how can she fight if she can't even stop moving around?)
- they don't need stages modified to accomodate them (Ice Climbers don't need ramps installed all over the stage in order to jump like the Excitebiker would)
- they are very interesting (Ice Climbers fighting with ice powers and mallets more interesting compared to Urban Champion's boring and sluggish punches)

I didn't make up these reasons. They came straight from Sakurai on the Melee Dojo.

Who has the potential to be very interesting? A hunting dog that fights with ducks, clay pigeons, and the NES Zapper... or a cowboy who shoots around with a revolver gun (Sheriff or Wild Gunman)?

 

[Arcadenik]

Well of course Duck Hunt Dog isn't forgettable, because people don't ever shut up about him

Can you blame them? They cannot forget how the dog mercilessly taunted them for being failures in life.

 

[Opossum]

Spoiler

Though there are better choices.

D: Blasphemy! This makes me Furious! Outraged! Sick with Anger!

But meh, to each his own.

- they wouldn't be useless even if they lost their gimmick (Balloon Fighter becoming useless if his balloons popped compared to Popo still useful after losing Nana)
- they can fight (Ice Climbers can fight but Bubbles couldn't - how can she fight if she can't even stop moving around?)
- they don't need stages modified to accomodate them (Ice Climbers don't need ramps installed all over the stage in order to jump like the Excitebiker would)
- they are very interesting (Ice Climbers fighting with ice powers and mallets more interesting compared to Urban Champion's boring and sluggish punches)

You know, I just realized that Muddy Mole fits every one of these as well.

Take a look.

- they wouldn't be useless even if they lost their gimmick (Balloon Fighter becoming useless if his balloons popped compared to Muddy when not digging)
- they can fight (Muddy can fight but Bubbles couldn't - how can she fight if she can't even stop moving around?)
- they don't need stages modified to accomodate them (Muddy doesn't need ramps installed all over the stage in order to jump like the Excitebiker would)
- they are very interesting (Muddy fighting with iron balls, cabbages, and subterranean warfare is more interesting compared to Urban Champion's boring and sluggish punches)

:D

 

[Metal Overlord]

Like I said before, Duck Hunt Dog should just be a joke/useless AT a la Resetti where he laughs at you upon being summoned or just be a background character for a Duck Hunt stage where he laughs at the losing team/player when they get KO'd

 

[Oasis_S]

I want to like Muddy, but there are only so many ways one can pop in and out of the ground.

 

[Arcadenik]

I never turned down Muddy Mole. I do support him as well. I just want the Duck Hunt Dog more. I wouldn't mind having both Duck Hunt Dog and Muddy Mole in Smash... it reminds me of those Merrie Melodies cartoons about the Goofy Gophers and the guard dog.

 

[Opossum]

Oh no, I never said you turned down Muddy. I just wanted to share my epiphany of discovering that he matches Ice Climber qualifications to a Tee.

 

[Weavel]

I think duck hunt dog should be some sort of stage gimick, Muddy could pass as a character.

 

[Oasis_S]

Much better than Muddy.

 

[Weavel]

Much better than Muddy.

Aint that a digimon? you trollin

 

[Arcadenik]

Like I said before, Duck Hunt Dog should just be a joke/useless AT a la Resetti where he laughs at you upon being summoned or just be a background character for a Duck Hunt stage where he laughs at the losing team/player when they get KO'd

Why should the dog be limited to AT role? To give a slot to another character you want? Because you cannot imagine how the dog could fight? This is the same line of thinking that people had pre-Brawl before R.O.B. became playable. I remember reading countless posts where people didn't think R.O.B. could pass as a character.

 

[Oasis_S]

I remember reading countless posts where people didn't think R.O.B. could pass as a character.

I remember being the one to suggest R.O.B. could hover.

Do you remember what some suggested R.O.B.'s special should be? None other than the Zapper.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Metal Overlord: While DHD would be great to play as, I think him being a character who laughs at you is actually... pretty funny.

@Weavel: Digimon can get into Smash. They're applicable. But Agumon's really the only decent choice, or one of his forms.

 

[Arcadenik]

I remember being the one to suggest R.O.B. could hover.

Do you remember what some suggested R.O.B.'s special should be? None other than the Zapper.

R.O.B. is not affiliated with the NES Zapper. It stems from people's lack of imagination... hurr durr... a NES robot should fight with a NES gun because they are both NES peripherals. They didn't even suggest those damned gyros from Gyromite.

But this just goes to show you that people forgot all about Gyromite (and gyros) but they remembered the robot that came with Gyromite.

 

[Oasis_S]

But Agumon's really the only decent choice, or one of his forms.

Etemon is the only right answer.


@Arcadenik: There was a lot of lack of imagination. Apparently no one thought "Let's have a robot fight like a robot."

 

[Metal Overlord]

No, I don't think that Duck Hunt Dog is incapable of fighting at all, nor would I give a damn if he took the slot of a character I want (okay, maybe Mewtwo, but still)

The idea of implemeting him in Smash as an NPC that laughs at you for your screw ups (like in Duck Hunt) just excites me a LOT more than making him a full-blown playable character

And I actually would have probably liked to see R.O.B. playable if I were here pre-Brawl, but then again, I love playing as robots in fighting games so I'm biased I guess lol

 

[yani]

Muddy Mole is definitely my favorite retro pick. I think DHD should be an AT as well

 

[Weavel]

@Metal Overlord: While DHD would be great to play as, I think him being a character who laughs at you is actually... pretty funny.

@Weavel: Digimon can get into Smash. They're applicable. But Agumon's really the only decent choice, or one of his forms.

Digimon are applicable? Do they have the same setup with nintendo or something? I've seen digimon in ps1 games

 

[Arcadenik]

@Arcadenik: There was a lot of lack of imagination. Apparently no one thought "Let's have a robot fight like a robot."

I know right? Let me rephrase that quote for the dog. "Let's have a dog fight like a dog."

1. he is a hunting dog - meaning he is trained to hunt and fight - he could be hunting trophies in the story mode
2. he is a cartoon dog - meaning he is capable of standing/running on two legs and has opposable thumbs that he can pick up items with his paws instead of with his mouth like a real dog *looks at Nintendog*
3. he has a personality - case in point: he is crazy enough to laugh at someone who is pointing the gun at him - imagine him laughing at Nintendo's most dangerous villains like Ganondorf or Ridley when their plans are going awry in the story mode

All these together... would make Duck Hunt Dog something like he was ripped out from those Tex Avery cartoons from the 1940's. His mannerisms could be based on rubber hose animation.

 

[Oasis_S]

he is crazy enough to laugh at someone who is pointing the gun at him

That is actually a brilliant interpretation, lol.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I know right? Let me rephrase that quote for the dog. "Let's have a dog fight like a dog."

1. he is a hunting dog - meaning he is trained to hunt and fight - he could be hunting trophies in the story mode
2. he is a cartoon dog - meaning he is capable of standing/running on two legs and has opposable thumbs that he can pick up items with his paws instead of with his mouth like a real dog *looks at Nintendog*
3. he has a personality - case in point: he is crazy enough to laugh at someone who is pointing the gun at him - imagine him laughing at Nintendo's most dangerous villains like Ganondorf or Ridley when their plans are going awry in the story mode

All these together... would make Duck Hunt Dog something like he was ripped out from those Tex Avery cartoons from the 1940's. His mannerisms could be based on rubber hose animation.

Hmmm, he's actually starting to become more interesting to me :/

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Digimon are applicable? Do they have the same setup with nintendo or something? I've seen digimon in ps1 games

And GBA and DS and GameCube games. They're third party, but applicable. They also came before Pokemon and started off as a video game similar to Tamigotchi.

In addition, the Anime is quite widely received better due to having a less overused hero. Yes, Ash is pretty darn hated. None of the main characters except MAYBE Davis comes close to that.

Regardless, Pokemon may have overall won, but they're battle partners. So having a Digimon in would continue the fight anyway. It's not a bad Namco choice either. Of course, Pac-Man and Nightmare(Soul Calibur) are a bit better, but still.

 

[Weavel]

And GBA and DS and GameCube games. They're third party, but applicable. They also came before Pokemon and started off as a video game similar to Tamigotchi.

In addition, the Anime is quite widely received better due to having a less overused hero. Yes, Ash is pretty darn hated. None of the main characters except MAYBE Davis comes close to that.

Regardless, Pokemon may have overall one, but they're battle partners. So having a Digimon in would continue the fight anyway. It's not a bad Namco choice either. Of course, Pac-Man and Nightmare(Soul Calibur) are a bit better, but still.

If you could someone throw nightmare in there that would be great, He is the only character based of that legend of the knights with swords of flesh and grotesque limbs.

Except he hasn't appeared in a nintendo product for quite awhile.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Nightmurr, Taki, Necrid or Cervantes would be badass for Smash

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If you could someone throw nightmare in there that would be great, He is the only character based of that legend of the knights with swords of flesh and grotesque limbs.

And his range would be off the charts... there's a reason why Pac-Man is a more favorable choice. XD

Except he hasn't appeared in a nintendo product for quite awhile.

Relevancy is not an issue, keep in mind. And he had a Wii appearance... storyline-wise.

 

[ChronoBound]

I just got 101% in Donkey Kong 64 for the first time ever. I will say that despite its flaws, it was DK64 that made me a fan of K. Rool (DK64 had one of the most hilarious final boss fights ever). Overall, I really enjoyed this game, and some of the extras it had (arcade perfect port of Donkey Kong Arcade and Jetpac). K. Rool was very hilarious in this game and I thought it really helped established his identity. In past Rare Donkey Kong games, K. Rool only showed up at the end for a final boss fight, whereas throughout DK64 we constantly got to see him. I am feeling really good that I finally completely finished this game.

 

[Jakor]

I personally really enjoyed DK64, unlike most people.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

The main thing that bothered me about K. Rool in Donkey Kong 64 was the Darth Vader styled voice that he had in the beginning cinema. The game is rated "E", so you'd think he'd sound less intimidating.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

It was a fun game. Save some minigames. :|

 

[RomanceDawn]

DK64 was the devil. If Rare didn't gyp us with Tiny Kong replacing Dixie and all the super banana back tracking I might have been more fond of it. Wasn't a bad game though, just nothing compared to BK or Mario 64.

 

[Jakor]

It was a fun game. Save some minigames. :|

Ah yeah... some of the mini-games were incredibly hard and frustrating.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Like I said before, Duck Hunt Dog should just be a joke/useless AT a la Resetti where he laughs at you upon being summoned or just be a background character for a Duck Hunt stage where he laughs at the losing team/player when they get KO'd

It would be quite humorous if something like that happened.

 

[Starphoenix]

Yeah, Nintendo really is advertising Kid Icarus. Watching the Spurs/Thunder game on ESPN and just saw an TV ad for Uprising. I thought you guys would find that interesting. Well, back to watching San Antonio put a clinic.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I just got 101% in Donkey Kong 64 for the first time ever. I will say that despite its flaws, it was DK64 that made me a fan of K. Rool (DK64 had one of the most hilarious final boss fights ever). Overall, I really enjoyed this game, and some of the extras it had (arcade perfect port of Donkey Kong Arcade and Jetpac). K. Rool was very hilarious in this game and I thought it really helped established his identity. In past Rare Donkey Kong games, K. Rool only showed up at the end for a final boss fight, whereas throughout DK64 we constantly got to see him. I am feeling really good that I finally completely finished this game.

Congrats man. Never could 101% it myself.

Even though I like the game a lot. Just make me shoot Kremlings with the Peanut Popguns again and I'm happy at this point. I really should replay DK64 myself.