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Unfortunately, anime usage is pretty much off-limits. There is Pokemon Yellow, but even so, I'd like to see the later generations get some attention.
The anime rule does not apply to Nintendo-owned anime shows like Pokemon. That only applies to anime shows like Dragonball and Naruto.

We did have a Misty trophy in Melee and this Misty looked more like the Misty from the anime and not from the games. We also had a Meowth trophy in Melee and this Meowth was holding the guitar from Meowth's Party and Meowth's Party originated in the Pokemon anime. And besides Meowth, Arbok, and Weezing did not originate in the anime. They came in the games first anyway.

The later generations can have Zoroark and Pokeball Pokemon. The first generation is where the money is at.
 

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Exactly why I wanted to check up on the Iwata Asks feature for S&P2. Turns out that little bit about the sales of the original S&P influencing the decision to develop the next game isn't in the six articles. Rather the reason Treasure gave in why they were motivated to pursue another game is because of hidden history with the N64 and the opportunities presented by the Wiimote.

If anyone wishes to read the information for themselves they do can do so at the link below:
http://iwataasks.nintendo.com/interviews/#/wii/sinandpunishment/0/0
 

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Checking to find the sales data for S&P1 on the VC, I found this instead. I will keep looking because I did have an article that did show the sales amount for that title.

The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (Nintendo) - 338,700 Units / $2.3 Million USD
Excitebike (Nintendo) - 481,100 Units / $1.3 Million USD
Super Mario Land (Nintendo) - 230,500 Units / $1.1 Million USD
Freakyforms: Your Creations, Alive! (Nintendo) - 112,700 Units / $969,000 USD
Pushmo (Nintendo) - 93,300 Units / $634,000 USD
Kirby's Dream Land (Nintendo) - 84,500 Units / $384,000 USD
Let's Golf 3D (Gameloft) - 43,200 Units / $356,000 USD
Donkey Kong (Nintendo) - 82,800 Units / $348,000 USD
Xevious (Nintendo) - 47,900 Units / $301,000 USD
Hyu Stone (Poisoft) - 50,300 Units / $293,000 USD

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http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=22966115&postcount=179
 

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The anime rule does not apply to Nintendo-owned anime shows like Pokemon. That only applies to anime shows like Dragonball and Naruto.

We did have a Misty trophy in Melee and this Misty looked more like the Misty from the anime and not from the games. We also had a Meowth trophy in Melee and this Meowth was holding the guitar from Meowth's Party and Meowth's Party originated in the Pokemon anime. And besides Meowth, Arbok, and Weezing did not originate in the anime. They came in the games first anyway.

The later generations can have Zoroark and Pokeball Pokemon. The first generation is where the money is at.
Spoon confirmed. :troll:
 

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Chrono, the list of game sales... when was this recorded and posted?
The sales data is only as of August 2010, so its definitely outdated.

Punch-Out being one of the highest selling titles is to be expected, its consistently in the Top 20 best-sellers each week for the Virtual Console.
 

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The sales data is only as of August 2010, so its definitely outdated.

Punch-Out being one of the highest selling titles is to be expected, its consistently in the Top 20 best-sellers each week for the Virtual Console.
But... how can that be? The 3DS didn't come out in 2010, but in 2011. How can that data list 3DS VC games?

Either way, I expect Punch-Out to be in the Top 20 as well. I downloaded it last Thursday and I love it. I managed to get to the World Circuit but I always get owned by Soda Popinski. :awesome:
 

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Looking at that FE13 overview, their looks like their are collectible cards for characters from different FE games. There was a card for Ayra (FE4) and Innes (FE8).

To Arcadenik, the link is to the VC data. The 3DS Virtual Console Data was released in February.
 

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Looking at that FE13 overview, their looks like their are collectible cards for characters from different FE games. There was a card for Ayra (FE4) and Innes (FE8).
Interesting.... do you think they are AR cards or DLC characters?
 

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Here is a moveset I made for Roy that is completely unique. However, considering I was even able to make an unique moveset for Dr. Mario, I think the "uniqueness" argument is absolutely pointless, and is simply in the eye of the beholder.

[COLLAPSE="Decloned Roy Moveset"]Roy moveset:

Roy is the third and last cut Melee character that I am bringing back for my Smash 4 roster. Roy was among the last two of the Forbidden 7 to be cut from the final game. Roy is also the most popular of the cut Melee veterans, second only to Mewtwo. While, Roy was initially in Melee to advertise Fire Emblem 6, he has gained a lot of fans in the Smash series, and helped to make Fire Emblem gain a fanbase outside Japan. Roy is also the most important of all the Elibe lords, and the Swords of Seals itself offers Roy a lot of moveset potential.

Roy is actually the only new sword-character that was added to my roster. Ganondorf uses a trident, Lip uses a baton, and Isaac only uses his sword for some of A-moves and specials. However, some people said that another sword-character for Fire Emblem would not offer anything unique. They are very much wrong. While, it is difficult to display differences in swordplay for Smash movesets, the style planned for Roy will very much make him a different sword fighter than the other sword-users currently on the roster. Roy also gets his special moves from abilities that the Sword of Seals has (which include it ability to shoot out flames and heal). However, you might be asking what kind of sword style do I plan for Roy.

The sword style that makes up Roy’s moveset is using a two-handed sword with both hands. Roy will obviously hold his blade with both his hands, as opposed to one like every other sword user currently in the Smash Bros. series. However, you might be asking how would this serve to make Roy unique? Well, the primary reason why a two-handed sword is wielded with both hands is to allow extra control and help better wield a sword that is very heavy and large compared to its wielder. Ike, known for being the strongest lord in the entire Fire Emblem series, is understandable as to how he is able to wield a two-handed sword with one-hand. However, someone such as Roy, who is weaker physically, needed both hands in order to wield the Sword of Seals in his game. While wielding a two-handed sword will make Roy a stronger character than what is custom for a character of is weight and speed, there is a drawback to it. The drawback is that Roy needs both of his hands to properly wield his sword. If Roy picks up an item and uses it, his speed and power (and recovery) will be compromised in a big way. Its for this reason, that a lot of items are actually useless for Roy to use, and this aspect is Roy’s biggest weakness.

However, there are also other aspects to Roy’s Sword of Seal other than it being a two-handed sword. As many of you know, the Sword of Seals has a fire effect to its critical attacks (which is why a lot of Roy’s specials had fire effects). However, what a lot of you did not know was that the Sword of Seals gets it power from the emotions of its wielder (if its wielder pities its enemy it will simply knock his opponent unconscious as opposed to killing him or her), and that it has the ability to strike at a distance as well as heal its wielder. It are these traits to the legendary blade that provide the basis for Roy’s special moves for his new moveset.

As for Roy’s design, while Roy has only made one appearance in a Fire Emblem game (barring his cameo in Fire Emblem 7), I think Roy’s appearance should differ a bit from his Melee design. In Melee, his hair was bit spikier and he looked more like a hyperactive pyro than the quiet and kind leader he was in Fire Emblem 6. I think for his head and hair it should be based off of his in-game sprite portrait in Fire Emblem 6 (meaning Roy would have a longer head than in Melee, as well as less spiky hair that is sort of parted to the side). As for his actual lord outfit design, it should be based off of Roy’s outfit on the cover to the box to Fire Emblem 6. Roy in-game should look not too serious, but have a simple determination to him that is reflective of kind, gentle nature. As for the official Smash 4 art for Roy, I imagine him holding onto the Sword of Seals’s hilt with one of his hands, with the pointed end of the Sword of Seals hitting the ground, with Roy having a determined look on his face that is similar to his official Melee art picture. Overall, I hope that the new moveset I made for Roy helps to convince you that he is indeed worthy enough to return in Smash 4 as a playable character, and that he would even make an unique addition to the whole roster.

Roy’s regular moves:

A: Roy makes a diagonal slice with his sword.
AA: Roy makes a horizontal slice with his sword.
AAA: Roy makes a vertical slice with his sword.
Running-A: Roy will make jump in the air and come down with the Sword of Seals with a vertical slice (it basically looks like Ike after coming down after doing Aether). It works similar to a move that is in the 3-D Zelda games (where you would hold z, then press A).
Side-A: Roy will do a spin kick with one of his legs, than follow with a horizontal slice with his sword.
Down-A: This is one of Roy’s few A-moves from Melee. Roy simply pokes his opponent while kneeling with his sword. This move still sends your opponent upward like it did in Melee.
Up-A: Roy quickly raises the Sword of Seals pointed edge to the sky (looks sort of like his up-smash from Melee).
A-Air: Roy’ will do the same A-aerial as in Melee only he holds the blade with both hands.
Down-Air: Roy will come down quickly (like with Toon Link/Sonic/Zero Suit Samus’s down-aerials) and smack the flat-side of the Sword of Seals into his opponent. This move is a spike, not a meteor.
Backward-air: Roy will swing the Sword of Seals in back of him in a manner similar to Link’s Up-B, which also means that it will hurt opponent that are in front of Roy wen doing this attack. However, there the lag-time when doing this attack is similar to that of Ike’s aerials.
Forward-air: Roy’s forward-air is the same as Ike’s, however, it comes out much faster than Ike’s does.
Up-air: Roy simply raises the pointed end of his Sword of Seals at 45 degree angle. While this move has very limited range, it is a powerful kill move.
Forward-Smash: Roy will close his eyes (this is him focusing his emotions into the Sword of Seals), and the blade will become on fire. Roy will then do the same flaming sword swipe in which he does a critical in Fire Emblem 6.
Down-Smash: Once again, Roy will close his eyes, and the Sword of Seals will light on fire. Roy charges up the power to the smash attack in the same position as Ike does, however, the attack differs from Ike’s. Instead Roy will spin around in a circle.
Up-Smash: Roy will raise the Sword of Seals at a 70 degree angle, and close his eyes and sword will light a blaze. When done charging, Roy will do a flip with the Sword of Seals on fire.

Roy’s grabs, like the other two Fire Emblem characters, are very weak.
Grabs:
Grab-A: Roy’s will keep hitting his opponent with his knee.
Forward-Grab: Roy will toss forward his opponent.
Backward-Grab: Roy will kick his opponent in back of him.
Down-Grab: Roy will slam his opponent in back of him.
Up-Grab: Roy will toss his opponent up

Roy special moves:


Regular-B: Flare Blade: This is the same move Roy has in Melee. Roy puts the Sword of Seals above his head like in Melee, closes his eyes, only this time the Sword of Seals lights on fire while charging. When fully charged the moves is basically an OHKO, however, this move now does 20% damage to Roy, and is the only move to retain the middle of the sword sweetspot.

Side-B: Holy Fire: Roy charges the Sword Seals next to his shoulder. Once again Roy closes his eyes, and the blades sets on fire. However, when done charging Roy will raise the Sword of Seals up high, and a small, white ball of fire will shoot out from the blade. If this ball of fire hits an opponent it will create a huge explosion. Obviously, the power of the fire ball is dependent on how long Roy charges this attack. This attack is based off of the ability of the Sword of Seals to do a projectile attack.

Down-B: Recover: Roy will hold the Sword of Seals in the same position as he did with Counter in Melee (only Roy now holds the blade with both hands). Several flames encircle Roy while in this position. If Roy is attacked while in this defensive position 75% of the attack power will heal Roy, while the other 1/4 will be used to deal damage to the opponent (meaning that is Roy gets hit with an attack that does 24% damage, Roy will get healed 18% damage, and deal 6% damage to his opponent). Interestingly enough, this move has the same knock back no matter how powerful the attack. The amount of knockback Roy does with this attack is about 1/5 the distance of Final Destination. This special move is based off of the Sword of Seals ability to heal its wielder.

Up-B: Flame Wave: Roy will raise the Sword of Seals up high and close his eyes, while the blade lights on fire. Once done charging, the tip of the blade, will have a blue flame on it. This attack has two parts. When Roy performs the attack in the air, Roy will perform his Blazer recovery move from Melee (however, he now holds the blade with both hands), and at the apex of the attack’s height Roy will come back down (think Ike’s Aether) quickly. However, if you charged the sword on the ground, after Roy comes down, a wave of fire will shoot out of the blade that is very powerful (35% damage) though has little damage. This move is again based off of the Sword of Seals ability to shoot out flames.

Final Smash: Great Balls of Fire: This Final Smash is self-explanatory. Roy will push the Sword of Seals into the ground, then get on one of his knees, and close his eyes. It will look like Roy is praying. Then, fire meteors starts shooting out diagonally from the top-left corner of the screen down toward the arena. This balls of fire don’t have much knockback, but are hard to avoid. The fireball onslaught ends after 20 seconds. Afterward, Roy will pull the Sword of Seals out of the ground and get on with the fight.


Roy’s taunts are as follows:
1. Roy’s will put the Sword of Seals behind his back, and go “Eeeyaah” (this is the same taunt he had in Melee).
2. Roy will put the Sword of Seals into its holder, and say, “For my friends and countrymen, I must not lose.”
3. Roy will thrust the Sword of Seals into the ground, he will close his eyes, and flames will circle around Roy.

Victory animations:
Roy’s victory animations are the same as they were in Melee.

Running animation:
Roy will hold the Sword of Seals with both of hands and will run with Sword of Seals down by his size. Though it is a bit difficult to imagine, this running animation differs greatly from Marth’s and Ike’s.

Idle animation:
Roy will hold the Sword of Seals the same way Ike holds Ragnell in his Counter position. Sometimes, Roy will hold the Sword of Seals up like how Cloud hold his Buster Sword. Other than that, Roy does not do anything else.

Costumes:
1. Roy’s armor and tunic becomes red.
2. Roy’s armor and tunic becomes dark blue.
3. Roy’s armor becomes green and his tunic brown.
4. Roy’s armor becomes gold and his tunic yellow.
5. Roy’s armor becomes black, and his tunic red.

Kirby Hat:
Kirby’s Roy hat is the same as it was in Melee, and even does the same move. Not much else to say here.

Roy-Snake Codec Conversation:
Snake: Colonel, who is this boy with the red hair and the huge sword?
Campbell: That’s Roy. Roy helped lead the Lycian Army to victory against an aggressive war started by Bern, the military superpower of Elibe. The blade he wields is a legendary sword wielded by the founder the founder of Bern called the Sword of Seals.
Snake: Tell me more about this Sword of Seals...
Campbell: The blade gets its power from the emotions of its wielder. If its wielder is merciful toward his enemy, the mercy will be reflected in the blows the blade deals. However, if the wielder feels hate toward his enemy, that same hate will manifest in the blade’s strikes. Not only that, this sword will light ablaze, and has the power to strike from a far and even heal it wielder.
Snake: So this isn’t some kid with an ordinary sword we’re dealing with here..., how do I counter this guy.
Colonel: The Sword of Seals is heavy. Roy needs use of both of his hands in order to properly use it in battle.
Snake: So if I get Roy to hold onto something else while battling, it should compromise his attack power and speed greatly, right.
Campbell: Bingo. However, I think Roy might be aware of this weakness.
Snake:Thanks, colonel.
End of codec.[/COLLAPSE]
I really like it :bee:! Was that so hard guys?
 

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Interesting.... do you think they are AR cards or DLC characters?
They are in-game cards. Also, it looks like there is some sort of gate in the trailer with Anna (a character whom has been in every game to the series to date) being its keeper. I am guessing this is the gate from where characters from different Fire Emblems will come out from.
 

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They are in-game cards. Also, it looks like there is some sort of gate in the trailer with Anna (a character whom has been in every game to the series to date) being its keeper. I am guessing this is the gate from where characters from different Fire Emblems will come out from.
Yeah, that makes sense... the gate could be like a portal to different time periods or parallel timelines/universes.

I just looked at more of Krom's artwork at Fire Emblem Wiki... I really like the design. I think he would look pretty good in Smash.
 
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Wasn't the big idea the fact that this character is claiming to be Marth?
By all intents and purposes, if a character is introduced under a psuedonym (this is of course going by the "claiming" as if it were not really the pretty boy we know), they would be addressed as such until their true identity is revealed, right?
 

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Why would Famitsu even be allowed to report on what, I imagine, is something integral to the plot? I mean, if it didn't matter, then they wouldn't even be wearing a mask.
 

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I don't know. I have no idea what the developers are planning. All I know is according to Famitsu our mystery guy is supposedly Marth. What all that entails is best not asked of me.
 

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The real Marth shows up at the end as a ghost, then ghost-dies.
Probably.

10chars.
 
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This news is actually old. This was on the 10th, though from what people translate it to, it sounds like he (or possibly she, as it's confirmed that "Marth" has a female actress in this game) is impersonating a character that should be long dead within the time.

Link to article from the 10th: http://gfxf.net/images/g25nm.jpg
Link to the article that supposedly says that Kobayashi Yuu is voicing "Marth": http://i.imgur.com/8r7F6.png
 

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SHUT UP STAR THIS IS ALL YOUR FAULT AND YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHINGcaps.
Should have ended your sentence with a *slam door* tag to really capture that spoiled teenager role.

This news is actually old. This was on the 10th, though from what people translate it to, it sounds like he (or possibly she, as it's confirmed that "Marth" has a female actress in this game) is impersonating a character that should be long dead within the time.

Link to article from the 10th: http://gfxf.net/images/g25nm.jpg
Link to the article that supposedly says that Kobayashi Yuu is voicing "Marth": http://i.imgur.com/8r7F6.png
Huh, so it is like fake Gustave from Saga Frontier II. Interesting. Well at least this, hopefully, means Marth does not revert back to his androgynous design but keeps his Shadow Dragon style.
 

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Should have ended your sentence with a *slam door* tag to really capture that spoiled teenager role.
SHUT UP I DO WHAT I WANT YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME *Slams door*

Well at least this, hopefully, means Marth does not revert back to his androgynous design but keeps his Shadow Dragon style.
Why would you want that?
 
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Shadow Dragon? Hell no. Shin Monshō no Nazo: Hikari to Kage no Eiyū? Yes. Go with that one.
 

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I still think this character is someone impersonating Marth and that its actually a girl. If it is indeed Marth, then I shudder how much "lol Martha" jokes are going to be used in Smash 4 if they go with Marth's FE13 design and voice actress.

To keep something in mind. Marth had the same voice actor for the Fire Emblem OVA and Smash Bros. Interestingly enough, I read that Marth's voice files in Brawl were actually imported from Melee.
 
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I still think this character is someone impersonating Marth and that its actually a girl. If it is indeed Marth, then I shudder how much "lol Martha" jokes are going to be used in Smash 4 if they go with Marth's FE13 design and voice actress.
Don't get me started. When my cousin and I were younger, we were playing Melee, and I had to convince him that Marth was a guy because he thought that he was a girl due to his girlish appearance and what he thought was a breastplate.
 

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One theory that people have to support that this actually is Marth is that there is a major plotline of the dead being resurrected en masse in FE13 (with Marth even saving Krom from the Corpse Soldiers). In FE13, the corpse soldiers have glowing red eyes. Believers who think "Marth" is actually Marth say he wears the mask to cover up his red glowing eyes (since he too is a re-animated corpse).
 

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The more you bring this up, the more I'm warming up to the idea.
:smirk:

Now I'm wanting Smash Bros. X Guilty Gear.
Just as long as you've learned your lesson about trying to turn Smash into Street Fighter. :p

I still think this character is someone impersonating Marth and that its actually a girl. If it is indeed Marth, then I shudder how much "lol Martha" jokes are going to be used in Smash 4 if they go with Marth's FE13 design and voice actress.

To keep something in mind. Marth had the same voice actor for the Fire Emblem OVA and Smash Bros. Interestingly enough, I read that Marth's voice files in Brawl were actually imported from Melee.
Oh good I'm not the only one who got a shudder from the "Martha" BS.

If the game does come state side, it'll be interesting to see who plays Marth in that game as they will probably end up as his english voice in Smash 4.
 
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@Chrono: Which would probably explain why Liz was so shocked when she saw his face in the latest trailer (we didn't see it, but she did...)

EDIT: Also, they were. The ones in Brawl are clearly the ones in Melee. The Final Smash being an edited version of one of his clips.
It's the same for Captain Falcon; just Melee clips with edited clips for his Final Smash. ("C'mon!" and "Blue Falcon!" were actually from Melee. They were just unused.)

Surprised they didn't use the unused "Let's dance!" clip from Melee for Marth...
 

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Wonder if the world will end before we get ssb4? lol with that whole 2012 thing
 

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marth's shadow dragon design is pretty awesome, but i don't think i could get used to marth being so masculine in smash.

is the new game really going to have so much emphasis on past characters? i've been meaning to try a fire emblem, and this might be a good time.
 
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