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Well, Waluigi literally translates to "Bad Luigi", so it would be obvious that he'd be bad news.Didn't I tell y'all Waluigi is a bad word?
No big surprise
Hmmm. That's interesting. For one, I didn't think Starfy was popular. Has he shown up more often in other places Chrono?
Not too surprising really. When I went though Gamestop's Facebook poll thingy, Waluigi, Toad and Bowser Jr. came up quite a bit. People ignore Waluigi a lot. Probably because of the Toad vs Bowser Jr. stuff. I do wonder if Waluigi appears more in Japan. He has some support here in the English speaking world.
Ridley, Goroh and Little Mac are no surprise. They'll likely get in from support here and their overall importance. Saki and Takamaru are the surprising ones. I thought Saki was rather popular. Toise mentioned he got a lot of request all over the place. Has he come up a lot. Takamaru I figure because he's a little bit unknown. Classic character afterall.
I have to ask by how much. Is he really as popular as other characters or in the context of F-Zero.
Now there is something I haven't seen. He was popular in the Melee days, but has been left out since. Kirby is a big enough series to get 4 characters and Gooey would fit in. I wonder if others have supported him as well.
Yadda yadda yadda. I tend to ignore Mother unless something ground breaking happens. I also expect they say give her Lucas's moves and give Lucas a new move poll.
Nothing new. I'm actually more surprised Palutena got any request.
No surprise. I've noticed that third parties are very much scattered. Mega Man is the only one people have rallied behind and even still, he's no Sonic.
I'm only trying to make sure that the thread stays on-topic. The last couple posts could've easily been placed in the social board.
This all depends on your view of obscure though.That whole "need" bit was about how people think that we've added all necessary characters to Smash, and think that we should just stop after 4 because the roster is "getting full of obscure characters."
Context comprehension could change a life or two here.
I just think the alt. costumes for every character is both redundant and going overboard. Especially since you're giving characters costumes that aren't even from their own series. All in all, most of those are pointless. It's not like Wario->Classic Wario is the same thing as Ice Climbers -> Baby Mario Bros. Most don't even have the same build.
Ok, final final final version here unless I get a better Zoroark costume idea.
Changes: Added Lip, Balloon Fighter, Mach Rider, Andy and Takamaru into DLC because of their apparent popularity. I also redid Palutena's picture and changed her costume from NES Palutena to Micaiah.
I'm really looking for a better idea for Zoroark's costume other than Darkrai, but pretty much everything else I'm happy with.
Wait, what?@poppy
Sorry for the quality, ink is scarce man.
I'm agreeing with a roster!!!! :D
Ok, final final final version here unless I get a better Zoroark costume idea.
Changes: Added Lip, Balloon Fighter, Mach Rider, Andy and Takamaru into DLC because of their apparent popularity. I also redid Palutena's picture and changed her costume from NES Palutena to Micaiah.
I'm really looking for a better idea for Zoroark's costume other than Darkrai, but pretty much everything else I'm happy with.
Yeah it's now based on that 60 character roster that I inputted the other day. I still have my older revision roaming around though.
JUST TO LET EVERYONE KNOW: I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE GETTING 35 DLC CHARACTERS. I EXPECT AT MOST LIKE 5. HENCE WHY IT'S CALLED "PICK AND CHOOSE". THIS WAY EVERYONE CAN CHOOSE THE CHARACTERS THEY'D WANT TO SEE AS DLC.
iT), but ice moves would be a little out of place.
Makes Sheeda's chances look good and that is saying something. The only FE8 lord that I see come up in Japan is Ephraim, and that is rarely. Does not help that FE8 is unpopular in Japan (in the Nintendo Dream GBA trilogy poll, Ephraim only ranked at 10th place).Chrono, I apologize if I already asked you this, but what's your opinion of Eirika?
This. This is why I agree with this guy.JUST TO LET EVERYONE KNOW: I DON'T THINK WE'LL BE GETTING 35 DLC CHARACTERS. I EXPECT AT MOST LIKE 5. HENCE WHY IT'S CALLED "PICK AND CHOOSE". THIS WAY EVERYONE CAN CHOOSE THE CHARACTERS THEY'D WANT TO SEE AS DLC.
The DLC section isn't really what I think will happen, it was mostly so people could switch in characters that they want. In no way do I think we'll be getting 100+ characters. And admittedly, I don't think we'll be getting all 60 of the Main Roster either.
Basically, look at my roster this way: The Main Roster is the characters I think are likely choices, while the DLC section is much less likely, but still possible (either that or they're my pipe dream characters I'd personally want.)
The alternate costumes are also admittedly not all too likely either, but I felt that if Wario gets one, that others should as well. Some of them would stretch the concept a bit, but all of them are somewhat feasible or would work. Like for Ice Climbers -> Baby Bros., all the hammer moves would be the same (The babies used hammers in M&L
However, overall the costumes are the best I could come up with for each character. I mean, you try and come up with a better Ice Climbers alt. Do I think they're likely to all have costumes? No, not at all. But if they were to have costumes, this is what I'd like to see/what I think would fit best.
All their fanbases are small Toad, Bowser Jr., Waluigi (it is mostly concentrated at GameFAQs), Paper Mario Ghirahim, Impa, and Tingle. Then that would imply Sakurai's own influence would be used, no?
I dunno about that. He would be in the background. He could be a great boss (especially if you fought his brain), but I think he is a better (background) assist trophy character. I would see Andross working more like Tiki Tong, where you hurt his hands AND head. This is of course, going by the canon StarFox 64/Adventures appearance. I don't know what Sakurai was thinking when he said that the original StarFox appearance had the most impact, while giving a quote from 64...
Sakurai wouldn't have enough time to make another boss (and yes, Sakurai was also giving Metroid its' due thanks to lack of characters and forgettable music in Brawl). Sakurai already spent a crap ton of time on generic bosses. And you honestly believe that Jr. would've been a boss had he had more time? Seems more like baseless assumption...
I stated "I think" which means these aren't my opinions. I also said they all have a shot, but I don't see them having a very good shot. If people don't like my opinions, tough, but they are merely my opinions. That's the difference with what you said and I said. I said "I think," whereas you didn't say any such thing.But I'm not saying Waluigi has the best shot or is a shoo-in. I'm saying that he can't be counted out, which many people do to him.
They are the stars of their respective games/franchises. Waluigi isn't. All Waluigi has been is "one of the guys" in Mario spin-offs. Little Mac has starred in several games. Issac starred in one game, arguably co-starred another game, and is the unofficial mascot of his franchise (like Marth and Fire Emblem). Saki is the star of his franchise, and Sin and Punishment's unofficial mascot. Starfy is the franchise's name!That's the way I see it. If you don't see it that way, that's cool. Doesn't matter. Clearly, their current places are where they belong. After all, Sakurai picked them for that spot instead of being playable. To decide whether they "deserve" more or not dwells on personal belief. Especially considering that importance doesn't play a role in character decision. Popularity does, and these characters as well as Waluigi have their share of popularity. Mac, Saki, and Isaac, moreso in the West. Starfy and Waluigi, moreso in the East.
I thought that the Bowser Jr. boss battles in NEW SMB/Galaxy/ Galaxy 2 were great. I thoroughly enjoyed them. I think they could translate very well in smash. Just because you find them enjoyable and think they can translate well doesn't mean Jr. is best suited as a boss. Likewise, I feel Andross is better off as a boss. Doesn't mean he really is; just that I heavily think so.
The difference IMO is that Ridley is the Samus' rival (he actually appears in more Metroid games than Ganondorf does in the Legend of Zelda with a similar role). Toad is a longtime helper in the canon games that sell like hotcakes. Paletuna is the second main character. Street Fighter characters can stay the heck out!
And doesn't matter. According to you, they have found their places with what they have. To argue otherwise is hypocritical, as it's "So-and-so found their place, but Whatshisname didn't because *insert reason here*".
And you said yourself, Ridley makes sense as a boss. Likewise, Toad makes sense as Peach's meat shield. Palutena makes sense in assisting Pit with her army.
I would piss my pants with excitement if this happened.
Also Golden, I think your comment on the suicide buckets Waluigi comments was a little overboard man. You should just make a "Waluigi haters got owned" video like I did after Diddy Kong was confirmed in Brawl!
Also guys, we don't "need" anyone in smash, period. THIS.
Waluigi:
She was implied to be... a neat helper. And I'd rather have the full version of Zelda herself than an extra character who doesn't even appear in most of the games. If Impa can be added, sure. But that's it.She was always implied to be a core character, Zelda just never had much of a story
There, fully fixed. However, all 3 Links are Link. Ganondorf and Ganon are the same. And Zelda and Sheik are still the same in the end. Those are the only core characters that ultimately matter in the Zelda series. The rest are neat extras, and most of the other recurring characters(save enemies) are Secondaries if they hold any importance to the storyline, and appear more than twice at the least.
So far, I'd say they did a pretty good job, except for Ganondorf. Rest? All got movesets based upon their appearances well enough. As for Toon Link, he barely plays anything like regular Link, so he's fine. Unfortunately, he'll always have the same specials as Link as Sakurai has already decreed.
I'm going to cut you off right there. I don't know why I mentioned the DK characters, but I'm talking about likely characters in the scenario. Toad only should get in if we're going for more Mario characters. DK characters are another situation entirely. As of right now, the only two likely Mario characters(not Yoshi, Wario, or DK) are directly in order of Dr. Mario and Waluigi. That's it currently. This can change, of course. Toad would be next in line. Jr and Paper Mario are in the same boat as of "not even thought of for fighting".
There's honestly enough room for all four, and Toad. I won't lie about that. I would prefer King K. Rool before Dixie Kong, but Dixie is more likely to be in due to having actual data.Be that Dixie or K.Rool. I'd preferably have both, but if the roster doesn't grow as much to allow for 2 characters for both we'd have to be content with just one new Mario and DKC character. I'd personally wanna have King K.Rool and Toad then, mostly cause they'd be the most unique (slightly) and are the oldest characters in both their franchises (K.Rool again just slightly). But my expectations so far... It's Dixie Kong (only), Waluigi and Dr.Mario.
And it doesn't change what I said is actually correct according to the data we have.
A second F-Zero character before Anthony Higgs, please. That series needs more love. There's a lot of random choices for a 4th Kirby, but no core character choice available. Unless they made Nightmare playable. He's a pretty notable villain. FE, well, Marth, Roy, Ike, and the last one is up in the air. I won't say Krom unless he actually shows to be a really good choice, and I do mean show it. No hype, no "relevancy", no "he looks cool", actual full appearance required.
When you say that, do you mean it was unusual for him to come up near Roy and Mewtwo or the fact that he came up compared to the Mario character.
So he's a semi-regular. One of those characters kind of on the edge. Is Bandanna Dee really growing that much?
Norio Wakamoto in this game would be win. Not only does he do M. Bison, but he's also the world's manliest peach.
Can you try justifying Impa more on gameplay than the same tired old argument?
