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[Deleted member]

<-- Is slow on things. Chrono is Snakey on Gamefaqs, isn't he?

 

[ChronoBound]

When you say that, do you mean it was unusual for him to come up near Roy and Mewtwo or the fact that he came up compared to the Mario character.

Actaully, how much does Doc come up. It seems from what you said, he does OK.




So he's a semi-regular. One of those characters kind of on the edge. Is Bandanna Dee really growing that much?

Actually, sorry to ask so much, but how are all of these ranking, Like, who's often kind of often, somewhat, rarely. That sort of thing. Or have you paid attention to that at all?

Thanks for all the info. Sorry if I'm asking too much.
I must say, there seems to be a lot of characters I've forgotten about.

No, even in that blog I looked at recently, Waluigi came no where near Mewtwo and Roy in request. Waluigi and Starfy had the most requests of any characters that was NOT Mewtwo and Roy.

As for Dr. Mario, usually when he comes up, half of the time people say they want him back as a costume.

Waddle Dee does not come up much at all. New posts don't happen as frequently as they do here, so its difficult to track growing trends (I usually stop looking at Japanese requests for a while since new posts happen so infrequently).

If I put characters requests in a tier list form. It would be like this:

S:
Mewtwo
Roy

A:
Mega Man
K. Rool
Dixie Kong
Zoroark (its difficult to tell if he is expected or actually wanted)

B:
Takamaru
Starfy
Black Shadow
Bowser Jr.
Waluigi
Geno

Difficult to group everything else after that.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yes Kuma I can.

Give or take, if they wanna go Zelda / Impa for a "classic" style, they could make Impa fastly different from Sheik so that they can balance Zelda better, or make them an actual duo character as explained before. If they wanna go separate, Zelda no longer would be overshadowed, and everyone can play Impa (and Zelda) alone in peace.

Try how you like, but Sheik has no potential like this. She can't be an actual duo character, cause she's literally a transformation, of sorts (a change of clothes with a nice flash, we don't wanna see Zelda's **** anyway) and Sheik will never be playable on her own.

It's just simple logic.

 

[Deleted member]

I want to see her vag....JK.
That's what the internet is for.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Spoiler

I got my lady friends for that. ^^

Zelda's a ****ing dude man...

At least, as long as Sheik's around.

 

[Conviction]

Regressing already

 

[Deleted member]

You got lady friends for Zelda's *****? Wat.

Everyone knows that Sheik has a vag, dude. What, you think penises come from thin air?

And that's all I have to say in this discussion. Any time Sheik's "parts" get talked about, it leads to a bunch of ******s insisting she has a penis because they like penises.

 

[Kuro~]

Stop the sheik gender discussion.

 

[Conviction]

and thats real

 

[Big-Cat]

Yes Kuma I can.

Give or take, if they wanna go Zelda / Impa for a "classic" style, they could make Impa fastly different from Sheik so that they can balance Zelda better, or make them an actual duo character as explained before. If they wanna go separate, Zelda no longer would be overshadowed, and everyone can play Impa (and Zelda) alone in peace.

Try how you like, but Sheik has no potential like this. She can't be an actual duo character, cause she's literally a transformation, of sorts (a change of clothes with a nice flash, we don't wanna see Zelda's **** anyway) and Sheik will never be playable on her own.

It's just simple logic.

Good, I was testing you. I say, that after trying it out twice, that the Zelda/Sheik duo does not work out well. I can understand giving it another chance after Melee, but this is where I'd draw the line.

And for more Wakamoto goodness.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Stop the sheik gender discussion.

Okay.jpg.

10Impaz

Spoiler

If Sheik got a recent role with voice acting, that guy would voice "her" lololololollllllllllllllllll

 

[Kuro~]

Stop it. I'm serious.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'm sorry, I couldn't help it.

Luckily we have MANthony though!

Good, I was testing you. I say, that after trying it out twice, that the Zelda/Sheik duo does not work out well. I can understand giving it another chance after Melee, but this is where I'd draw the line.

Same with me really.

As said again: Sheik's inclusion in Brawl was a lucky (yet unbelievably LAZY) add in Brawl's roster. Words fail where logic triumphs.

 

[Deleted member]

I love it when a mod shows up out of nowhere just because of discussion over Sheik's gender. Do they LIVE to seek it out or something?

Anyways, no matter how many times you say it Diddy, it still won't be true. Luck and laziness had nothing to do with it.

 

[Big-Cat]

Ok, new topic. Where do you think Nintendo will stand on tournaments? Will they try to be supportive of the community like the other developers or just spit on it. The reason I'm asking this is because it wasn't until Capcom that developers really tried to support the community and interacting directly with it, so much as to have a community manager.

It seems very unlike Nintendo to do this kind of thing though as they're rather reclusive. Then again, I believe they support the Pokemon community rather well, IIRC. And ask yourself this, what do you think of Nintendo sponsoring events like EVO and Smash specific events like Genesis?

 

[Deleted member]

I feel they would take a 3rd option; just not care. If that's what you meant by "spit on it", then yes, I would feel they would spit on it.

 

[Mypantisgone]

It's totally normal if sheik was in brawl,in brawl,zelda characters are based on twilight princess,and do you know where sheik design came from?she was planned for twilight princess,she is much more important than what you think!

 

[Starphoenix]

If I put characters requests in a tier list form. It would be like this:

S:
Mewtwo
Roy

A:
Mega Man
K. Rool
Dixie Kong
Zoroark (its difficult to tell if he is expected or actually wanted)

B:
Takamaru
Starfy
Black Shadow
Bowser Jr.
Waluigi
Geno

Difficult to group everything else after that.

Not really much different than western lists, just without Ridley and Little Mac. Surprising how Starfy is trending relatively well.

Ok, new topic. Where do you think Nintendo will stand on tournaments? Will they try to be supportive of the community like the other developers or just spit on it. The reason I'm asking this is because it wasn't until Capcom that developers really tried to support the community and interacting directly with it, so much as to have a community manager.

It seems very unlike Nintendo to do this kind of thing though as they're rather reclusive. Then again, I believe they support the Pokemon community rather well, IIRC. And ask yourself this, what do you think of Nintendo sponsoring events like EVO and Smash specific events like Genesis?

Nintendo isn't Capcom.

 

[Deleted member]

Nintendo isn't Capcom.

Capcom does what Nintendon't.

 

[ChronoBound]

Not really much different than western lists, just without Ridley and Little Mac. Surprising how Starfy is trending relatively well..

There is also the lack of Toad and Isaac that makes it differ from Western lists. I think Shulk might be another character that would go in the B-tier group. Xenoblade is becoming a cult classic in Japan.

The funny thing is that I actually saw Isaac decently requested in Japan during pre-Brawl, but now he is barely requested (note, Isaac's Japanese name is Robin).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Capcom does what Nintendon't.

You mean Patches?

It all depends if the Wii U can have full DLC or not.

 

[Diddy Kong]

It's totally normal if sheik was in brawl,in brawl,zelda characters are based on twilight princess,and do you know where sheik design came from?she was planned for twilight princess,she is much more important than what you think!

So important that she got scrapped? And then in the next Zelda console game who returned again..? (:

Still would've only been her second role, and Skyward Sword also still happened in the meanwhile after Twilight Princess.

Anyhow, I don't think Smash will be more friendly to tournies than it already is / was. Knew that Sakurai himself attended a Melee tournament once, but that's it.

 

[Big-Cat]

Nintendo isn't Capcom.

That's not my point. Capcom started a trend (at least I want to say they did, I could be wrong). Do you think Nintendo will join in on this?

@Diddy
I'm talking about Nintendo's attitude towards the tournaments themselves, not the game's accessibility. Will they just ignore it for the most part or will they try to support it more? Or, will they pull a wait and see with the community (I think this one's the mostly likely).

 

[ChronoBound]

For those DBZ fans in this topic, Norio Wakamoto was also the voice of Cell in Japan.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I think they'll just make the game like they did before... That's according to how they think it should be played / balanced. It's been stated before literally that "some moves are more powerful than others on purpose" in Smash, so maybe they will check out some suggestions, but nothing major. Which is why in the next game, Marth and Falco will again be high tier. And Yoshi and Bowser low tier.

 

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If I put characters requests in a tier list form. It would be like this:

S:
Mewtwo
Roy

A:
Mega Man
K. Rool
Dixie Kong
Zoroark (its difficult to tell if he is expected or actually wanted)

B:
Takamaru
Starfy
Black Shadow
Bowser Jr.
Waluigi
Geno

Difficult to group everything else after that.

We may have to rethink F-Zero a bit with this news (although I still perfer Goroh ). I wonder if Toise has any ideas about what Black Shadow could do?

I'm surprised about Starfy, but I still wouldn't expect him. His series should definitely get some more representation though.

I'm surprised about Jr., but mostly because people have mushroom heads over here.

Do you have a link to where you're finding all of these, as I wouldn't mind taking a look? (I have a Japanese Mid-Term this week so it would be good practice as well lol)

 

[Diddy Kong]

And yes, wait and see is my guess to.

 

[Starphoenix]

There is also the lack of Toad and Isaac that makes it differ from Western lists. I think Shulk might be another character that would go in the B-tier group. Xenoblade is becoming a cult classic in Japan.

The funny thing is that I actually saw Isaac decently requested in Japan during pre-Brawl, but now he is barely requested (note, Isaac's Japanese name is Robin).

Maybe once Matthew came along his support diminished? I don't know.

That's not my point. Capcom started a trend (at least I want to say they did, I could be wrong). Do you think Nintendo will join in on this?

No. Nintendo does not operate in the same manner as Capcom. Both of their design philosophies are drastically different.

 

[Big-Cat]

I think they'll just make the game like they did before... That's according to how they think it should be played / balanced. It's been stated before literally that "some moves are more powerful than others on purpose" in Smash, so maybe they will check out some suggestions, but nothing major. Which is why in the next game, Marth and Falco will again be high tier. And Yoshi and Bowser low tier.

I think that quote was just a really odd way of describing balance. It's basically saying that certain moves beat other certain moves for balancing reasons. There are times when they discuss balance in very odd wording. Like, people may think the strengths and weaknesses thing is why the games are so imbalanced, but strengths and weaknesses are part of every fighting game. It's an issue of getting those to balance each other out.

@Diddy
It seems like the most Nintendo thing. What I think will be interesting will be if the Smash community could get Eventhubs to help cover them, but I highly doubt this. Even if the crew there would like to have a page on Smash Bros., it's a can of worms to even bring up those games, and that's not even discussing what its proper genre is. Anyway, the reason why I think it would be good because it'll keep even casual players in the loop about upcoming tournaments and streams, to show that there is a sizable community that plays the games competitively or has an interest in watching competitive Smash.

 

[yani]

As said again: Sheik's inclusion in Brawl was a lucky (yet unbelievably LAZY) add in Brawl's roster. Words fail where logic triumphs.

Yeah. Sakurai going out of his way to get her design instead of just giving Zelda one more move was so lazy

 

[SmashChu]

Norio Wakamoto in this game would be win. Not only does he do M. Bison, but he's also the world's manliest peach.

Gotta give it to him, the man's good.

That's not my point. Capcom started a trend (at least I want to say they did, I could be wrong). Do you think Nintendo will join in on this?

When you mention "Community," it depends on what community your talking about. If you mean the tournament community, then no. Smash did not get to where it was with those guys. Sakurai does listen to the community. He added a lot of characters people wanted and address some concerns from Melee. He'll likely do the same form Brawl.

I don't think Capcom started a trend. Game companies have done this before. Blizzard has done it with Starcraft 1 and 2. I will say that competitive gaming comes out of popular gaming. You wouldn't see things like EVO had Street Fighter not become a big name. But the game's themselves have suffered when the tourney guys became the focus. I see it happening with Starcraft 2 as patch 4.2 saw a decrease in active players. Typically, give they competitive community what they want doesn't always work as intended.

@Chrono: Thanks. I might be able to take a good look at my roster. The problem I have run into is that last character. I may switch things up now that I know this.

Of course, this didn't address my Mario concern. Just like here, they are all tied with each other.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeah. Sakurai going out of his way to get her design instead of just giving Zelda one more move was so lazy

Actually, Yani, this was never proven. Sheik was a design that Nintendo gave for him to use when he asked for the Zelda characters' designs. And the rest, of course. Nintendo wanted Sheik to be considered, basically. And Sakurai likes Sheik as is.

However, what is true is that he worked a bit on a Toon Sheik, thus, proving he cares about Sheik specifically, enough to want to add a freakin' clone. My theory is that he wasn't sure there was a TP version, so he works on an easy clone to be put in just-in-case.

 

[yani]

Actually, Yani, this was never proven. Sheik was a design that Nintendo gave for him to use when he asked for the Zelda characters' designs. And the rest, of course. Nintendo wanted Sheik to be considered, basically. And Sakurai likes Sheik as is.

However, what is true is that he worked a bit on a Toon Sheik, thus, proving he cares about Sheik specifically, enough to want to add a freakin' clone. My theory is that he wasn't sure there was a TP version, so he works on an easy clone to be put in just-in-case.

Ahh gotcha. But to be fair he still could have cut her for not appearing in TP. I wish she was in TP though, I really like her design

 

[Diddy Kong]

Yeah. Sakurai going out of his way to get her design instead of just giving Zelda one more move was so lazy

No, it was an unused, but fully complete design for Twilight Princess. Check for yourself:

Doesn't seem so hard to inspire a character model on now right? Wouldn't exactly call this 'going out of his way'.

But I still got love for you xxx

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Ahh gotcha. But to be fair he still could have cut her for not appearing in TP. I wish she was in TP though, I really like her design

I'm not sure where she would've fit in the story. She could've fought Link under Ganondorf's control, but other than that...

I almost wish Ganondorf wasn't in TP just so Toon Ganondorf with a double-sword moveset was playable. Here's hoping he's the one used in SSB4.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Sheik could've been Zelda's Twilight form, as Link would be a wolf. She'd fit in just fine. Thing is: they didn't give a **** lol

 

[Metal Overlord]

Next time I see a convo on here about lady parts, I'm knockin' some teeth out

 

[Diddy Kong]

You'd be surprised how much I know about them. Its weird, cause I'm a guy. lol

 

[ChronoBound]

@Chrono: Thanks. I might be able to take a good look at my roster. The problem I have run into is that last character. I may switch things up now that I know this.

Of course, this didn't address my Mario concern. Just like here, they are all tied with each other.

Yeah, looking at everything I seen, there is no frontrunner for Mario characters in Japan either. However unlike North America, I have only seen a few requests for Toad and Paper Mario (though I think for Paper Mario his fortunes might change with the release of Paper Mario 3DS). I am starting to think Toise may be right about the Mario series not getting a newcomer this time.

Also, can you send me a PM about your roster?

 

[Hoots]

So Geno's popularity isn't just in America? Nice. Although Waluigi's popularity is extremely perplexing... Like... What the ****? Also, no Layton mentions? At least Starfy is popular!

Also, feeding the autism only encourages it, fyi.