New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That'd be great for the SSE/Story Mode, but there's better chooseable characters first. Shy Guy would work, though.

If I want a Moblin, why not choose Ganon as a separate character?

You want a Space Pirate, choose Ridley. And so on. Let's get full characters on there. I don't mind "random encounters" if the series is based completely on them like Pokemon, Digimon, Monster Rancher, etc. Those all are fully playable characters in general and not just guys you face. Bosses, however, are bigger and more important characters.

 

[Linkshot]

I would beat up hippies all day every day.

 

[Johnknight1]

I now update my previous list with Paper Mario and Bowser Jr. I was afraid of there being too much Mario, but then I realized you can never have too much Mario!

You can. It's called "Mario Mario."

Toon Ganondorf would be awesome and could make up for Ganondorf's lack of sword. Much better than Toon Zelda.

Agreed, although I think Ganondorf will get some sword attacks.

Everybody talks about Geno, but where is the love for Mallow? I would love his inclusion too.

Mallow is a little whiny, but he could also have great moves. Not as great as Geno, but still pretty great.

I'm not sure about Sonic. Tails seems most likely, being Sonic's partner. However, Knuckles makes more sense from a gameplay perspective, being that he his a fighter. Personally though, I would love to see Dr. Robotnik! If only Sonic was a Nintendo character, maybe then we could have them all.

I think Tail's chances are underrated by most of us. He is popular (his haters have seemingly disappeared as the franchise's quality improved), he could easily have a great moveset, and he would fit perfectly in smash.

Knuckles is my personal favorite Sonic character. His chances at being playable are next to nothing.

Also, I forgot Bomberman... and Dr. Eggman Robotinik.

As a side note, I found this blog interesting, and seriously rage worthy. This is more proof that the Street Fighter/Tekken/shoryuken community sucks (along with Capcom)... and why I think a Nintendo vs. Capcom game should NEVER happen! I don't want to have to compete against these c***heads. Nintendo vs. Konami sounds cool, though.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I would beat up hippies all day every day.

Then the Trees attack you for it.

 

[Johnknight1]

I beat up New Age Retro Hippies all day EVERY DAY!

Seriously, we need some common enemies/bosses from all the franchises with characters in smash. Imagine fighting various kinds of Goombas, Koopas, Kremlings, Moblins, Octoroks, Like-Likes, Helmet Heads, Space Pirates, Metroids, Waddle Dees, robots, hippies/other random people, vehicles, various animals, various types of soldiers, 2D G&W characters, underworld creatures, Dr. Eggman/Wily robots, Metal Gear Soldiers, and Metal Gears. That = total win for an adventure/story mode.

Edit: Shorts, you are hilarious bro...

 

[DarkShadow20]

Here is my roster.


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[COLLAPSE="Things of note"]Starting roster has 30 characters. 20 are secret. For a total of 50 characters, with 10 more being added as DLC throughout the game's lifespan to make 12 columns of 6 and 60 characters. Those 10 are: Palutena, King Hippo, Black Knight, Samurai Goroh, Krystal, Takamaru, Tom Nook, Ray, Isaac, and Saki.

So all in all, there are 65 playable characters counting Dixie, Sheik, ZS Samus, and Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon. There are 34 new playable characters counting Dixie and Pokemon Trainer's new Pokemon(detailed below).

You'll notice I added a lot of females and villains. I think most of the important heroes are covered, so I thought the roster should have some more diversity.

I have removed 4 characters and brought back one from Melee. Reasonings will be below. I know a lot of people don't like cuts, and I didn't at first either, but I think they are neccessary and inevitable. I'm only cutting clones and characters that were promoting the newest game in their respective series.

Dixie is teamed up with Diddy. I felt this would be best so that both Dixie and K Rool could be added without taking up another spot. Both would be on the screen at the same time like the Ice Climbers, but could tag out like the Pokemon Trainer's Pokemon. Some of their moves would be performed together, while others would be seperate.

Toon Link has been removed. I don't really think there needs to be two versions of Link.

Mewtwo returns. I think he was the only character from Melee that shouldn't have been removed.

Pokemon Trainer gets three new Pokemon. 1 each from the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th generations. Those are: Piplup, Bayleef, and Blaziken. Works the same as the Brawl version. I replaced his original Pokemon because I thought with the return of Mewtwo, the first generation was overly repped.

I removed Lucario because he was in Brawl most likely to rep the newest generation at the time. Zoroark will rep the newest generation this time.

Ike is removed. Same reasoning with Lucario, and I think like Roy, he will be replaced by the newest Fire Emblem Lord.

Lucas is removed. Mother doesn't really need anymore than 2 reps, and I'd rather have a villain with a unique moveset than Lucas.

This isn't neccessarily my final roster since SSB4 is still awhile away, and new games and characters will be made between now and then. But I'm happy with it for now. Some of my choices might seem a bit odd, and I'll admit some of the characters I added probably don't have the best chances, but for the most part I think it is a realistic roster based on what characters are popular now and based on some of the trends from the past games(like the newest Pokemon generation, newest Fire Emblem Lord, and a retro/wtf character being added eachtime).

Thanks Oasis_S for the roster pics![/COLLAPSE]

 

[Johnknight1]

Roster notes:
Donkey Kong series: Split Diddy Kong and Dixie Kong. That duo would be absolutely broken. Diddy Kong is already the 2nd best character in Brawl alone. Dixie Kong has enough moves to be her own character, and she is both deserving enough (although that is a subjective term), popular enough, and unique enough to be her own character.

The Legend of Zelda series: What Toon Link is gone, we get a one shot guy with minimal popularity, and a villain who has been dead forever=??? That makes no sense. Zant had a lot of pre-Brawl hype, and last I checked, he was only a trophy and a sticker in Brawl. I expect the same with Ghirahim. As for Vatti, he is dead in the series. His last appearance was 8 years ago. He also was in 3 of the worst (Nintendo) Zelda games ever that most people have forgotten about.

Star Fox series: I strongly doubt Krystal appearing. Many seem to like her chances, but I think her chances are strongly overestimated. Pre-Brawl I thought she had a 75% chance and many people said I was being an "idiot" for "having too low of chances." Looks like they were the idiots. Sakurai didn't even know who she was until he held a character poll.

Pokémon series: It's okay, but I don't see Lucario being cut as all that likely. Leave the Pokémon Trainer alone, because he is fine the way he is.

F-Zero series: Cut Black Shadow. I doubt we may get Samurai Goroh (the most likely candidate IMO), let alone two guys. Black Shadow seems too much like he'd be a clone. His only real shot I think is if Samurai Goroh doesn't get in and as a late addition clone (if Ganondorf gets a somewhat new moveset).
EarthBound/MOTHER series: The Masked Man is not happening at all. Re-add Lucas. He is staying.

Fire Emblem series: The Black Knight isn't happening, especially as a replacement for Ike, the main character of those two games the Black Knight appeared in. Ike is also one of the most popular characters not just in Fire Emblem, but in Smash. He may very well be to Brawl what Captain Falcon is to Smash 64 and Melee.

Kid Icarus series: We would be lucky to get Pit and either Paletuna or Medusa. All three is very far fetched right now. Still if Uprising is a classic, it could be warranted.

Punch-Out!! series: King Hippo has no chance whatsoever. Little Mac is awesome, though.

Other series: I don't think Shulk or Tom Nook have really any chance. Ray's chances seem small IMO, but they are there. Saki is... eh. I don't like his chances, but many will disagree. I will say that I like many of those characters, and I would like (not love) to play as them in smash.

3rd Party series: Geno has next to no shot (I say that as a lover of Geno and one of the passionate supporters of Geno). The same goes with Bomberman (I love him, but not as much). I the only characters not on this list I think has a chance are Pac-Man and Tails. Mega Man was obviously is a great choice with huge popularity; you don't have to be a brain surgeon to know that!

Overall this roster is about 10 roster spots too big from what we could get maximum. 65 total (including transformation) is way too much. 60 with a lot of DLC characters alone is a stretch. Melee added 14 spots (12 to 26). Brawl added 13 spots (26 to 39). If this trend continues, Smash Wii U/3DS will grow by 12 characters (from 39 to 51). Given we're getting two games, I think we could get up to 53 and as little as 47. But man, 65 is crazy. How would the development team be able to balance all those new characters=???

 

[Opossum]

Probably my biggest qualm with that roster is that even with the absurd size, the cut Brawl characters are still gone, even if they're more, I'll say it, deserving than many other characters on there because they are already in Smash.

 

[Conviction]

@Iblis- Is that Sonic 4? If so, then LOL

It is LOL

You know it's true. Admit it.

No one really wants to support Zoroark or Victini even thought they half heartedly expect them... they just want Mewtwo, period. Maybe Pichu, too.

No one really wants to support any new Fire Emblem character even though Krom is half heartedly expected... they just want Marth, Roy, and Ike, period.

No one really supports Toad, Bowser Jr., Paper Mario, or Waluigi because these characters are always contested but most people don't question Dr. Mario simply because he was in Melee.

No one really wants to support any new Zelda characters... they are all questioned... Tingle, Ghirahim, Impa, Demise, even Toon Zelda... let's keep it at Link, Zelda, Sheik, Ganondorf, and Toon Link and let's just add back Young Link because he was in Melee.

People generally don't want new characters. They want the same old characters. Sakurai shouldn't bother wasting his time and energy with Smash 4... none of the newcomers he adds will make the fans happy anyway. Let's just play Melee and/or Brawl.

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I think

Easy guys.

Arcadenik is in a delicate state right now.

He mad though

I'm sorry, but this is why to me the tourneyfans will always be a hilarious lot to me.

>***** about clones in Melee
>hack Brawl to have MORE clones to give it a Melee-esque feel

*sigh* Most of the competitive community love the clones such as Roy and the rest. I think I should keep count on how many times people going to try to assume what the competitive community is all about. Nice try though

Hack Brawl? For custom music? For Textures? For Balanced Brawl? For Brawl +? For Brawl -? For completel revamping stages? And then there's the one that you think we only want to do Project M?

Did you know that, most of the Brawl competitive community doesn't support Project M to be a tourney game?

Are you happy Smashchu? I tried being nice as possible when somebody tried to generalize.

I would beat up hippies all day every day.

wut

 

[Diddy Kong]

Lolwut? Ike and Lucas are gone but their main enemies become playable??? :/ And yet again Sheik with SS Zelda. Either do it good, or don't go around replacing.

Here goes my want list for characters by series:

Mario: Toad. Him before anyone else.
Donkey Kong: both King K.Rool and Dixie.
Pokemon: Mewtwo.
Zelda: Impa and the main 3 being balanced :/
Metroid: MANthony Higgs. And Ridley.
Kirby: Bandana Dee.
StarFox: Krystal. Though Peppy and even Slippy also would be cool.
Fire Emblem: I want Hector, but Chrome and Roy also will do. Otherwise: Shiida.

You know what I like about Brawl btw? The spacing game. Just realised this.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Mah wishlist of newcomers:

Mario: Toad, Fawful, Dr. Mario (as an alternate CHARACTER like the three Gohans in the first DBZ: Budokai, NOT as an alt costume)

Pokemon: Mewtwo, Deoxys, Suicune, Kyurem, Blastoise, Pichu (see Dr. Mario)

Zelda: Skull Kid, Young Link

DK: King K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Funk Kong, Cranky Kong

Metroid: Ridley, Dark Samus

Wario: Captain Syrup, Jimmy T

Star Fox: No one, honestly

Kid Icarus: Medusa

Fire Emblem: Roy, Lyn (jury is still out on Chrome)

Yoshi: Kamek

F-Zero: Samurai Goroh, Deathborn, Jody Summer, Pico, Mighty Gazelle

New Series: Little Mac, Ray, Saki, Isaac (Dark Dawn version)

Retro: Mach Rider, Takamaru

Sonic/SEGA: Knuckles, Axel Stone

Metal Gear/Konami: Simon Belmont, Gray Fox or maybe Cyborg Raiden

New 3rd party series: Pac-Man, Classic Mega Man, Claire Redfield, Viewtiful Joe, Kazuya, Conker

 

[yani]

yani's wishlist

Mario: Geno, Toad, Doc

DK: Dixie Kong, K. Rool

LoZ: Tingle, Ghirahim

Pokemon: Mewtwo, Pichu, 5th gen

Metroid: Ridley

Starfox: Krystal, Leon

KI: Palutena, Medusa

Fire Emblem: Roy

F-Zero: Samurai Goroh

New: Saki, Issac, Starfy, Shulk

Third Party: Banjo-Kazooie, Tails, Bomberman, Mega Man, Pac Man

 

[Linkshot]

I honestly thought Tom Nook and/or Mr. Resetti would be obvious additions to the roster. Animal Crossing has a set of tools to use as weapons and they managed to turn G&W into a fighter.

 

[Big-Cat]

I honestly thought Tom Nook and/or Mr. Resetti would be obvious additions to the roster. Animal Crossing has a set of tools to use as weapons and they managed to turn G&W into a fighter.

The problem Sakurai had with them (or at least the villager) was that they weren't suitable for fighting due to their peaceful nature. I think this is irrelevant because you can make someone fight without actually fighting. Phoenix Wright in MvC3 is a recent example, but if you wanna go further than that, look at a number of cartoon characters that have beaten up their nemesis just by doing goofball things like turning around with a pole in their hand accidentally hitting their enemy constantly (think Sideshow Bob and rakes). At least with this method, not only can you keep their personalities intact, but you can also represent their original games quite nicely. In fact, I made a moveset for Nook where one move involved him planting a seed and it acted as mine by shooting out as a tree whenever someone was in range. Another was just placing furniture.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

yani's wishlist

Mario: Geno, Toad, Doc

DK: Dixie Kong, K. Rool

LoZ: Tingle, Ghirahim

Pokemon: Mewtwo, Pichu, 5th gen

Metroid: Ridley

Starfox: Krystal, Leon

KI: Palutena, Medusa

Fire Emblem: Roy

F-Zero: Samurai Goroh

New: Saki, Issac, Starfy, Shulk

Third Party: Banjo-Kazooie, Tails, Bomberman, Mega Man, Pac Man

I love your wish list.

 

[LC-DDM]

Project M is suppose to stand for PROJECT MELEE.

Already knew that, kthxbai. Still funny.

The development team is making the game play like Melee with the Melee cast play like they did in Melee.

Yeah. So, answer me this - why bother *****ing about clones if you're going to make the sequel HAVE CLONES?

There are dozens of mods that are totally different. Brawl Plus where it's Melee techs in Brawl. Balance Brawl where the roster and gameplay is more balanced and efficient. Heck, there's even a Brawl mod that makes the game play like something out of DRAGON BALL Z! Geesh can we let people mod a game the way they want without judging them=???

Brawl plus to me has more worth of existence than P:M simply because it wants to be Melee without stupid decisions. BBrawl I think is extinct for the most part, but, well, it tried to fix Metaknight. Love how you didn't mention the name of BMinus, only explaining it as "something out of DBZ" like it should be killed, when in fact it looks like less of a bore than the other two simply for the fact that it fixed MK by having everyone as broken as MK. And that is awesome.

The ending statement for this though is that they're all boxed-in set hack styles that don't leave much for the imagination of the user who probably just wants to screw around. This is my opinion, of course.

Stop hating on tournament players. It's not all "super duper serious" bro. Yesterday I was talking with guys I was going to hang with at the next tournament I was going to and we were gonna do a 10k (in Monopoly Money) money match in the bathroom and look at the screen via mirrors.

Oh, I don't hate on tournament players. I've learned a long time ago they have fun by removing stuff, and I've accepted that. Hell, I was disappointed the techniques were gone, because I know people that would rag on Brawl for it, but I was glad at the same time because it was a damn sequel and the game doesn't take itself as seriously. This might be complicated, but what I'm trying to say is... I don't hate tourneyfans - just the really ****ing annoying ones.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

So how are the arguments steaming away today? Is everything in disorder? Good.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Anyone has any objection against Anthony Higgs' inclusion?

 

[Bowserlick]

Anyone has any objection against Anthony Higgs' inclusion?

Yes. He is not iconic. I do not think Sakurai would use resources on him. I am hoping that Ridley gets a shot.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Sheik wasn't iconic either. Not even when Melee was new. Skull Kid would've made a better inclusion.

And I'd take Anthony togheter with Ridley actually. As to make the roster actually bigger, and give Metroid it's earned 4 characters. Samus / Zero Suit Samus, Ridley and Anthony. I want this to happen...

 

[Bowserlick]

Sheik wasn't iconic either. Not even when Melee was new. Skull Kid would've made a better inclusion.

Well, that is your opinion. Sheik is Zelda and Zelda is iconic. Sheik represents a staple in the Zelda mythos, the Sheikah. I think a sheikah, either Sheik or Impa, is an important representative in the Zelda franchise within Smash Brothers.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

I agreee with what bowserlick said.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Can someone convince me that we need Dixie?

I effing love Donkey Kong Country, and I have K. Rool on my roster (then again, who doesn't), but I cannot bring myself to throw Dixie in there. It isn't the fact that I don't like her (although she isn't particularly my favorite), or that I don't think she'd make a good character, but it's much more that there are other characters I want to see before her. She has a low priority for me, and that seems to conflict with most wishlists/rosters/words from people that I've seen here.

On top of that, the only series that I have adding two new characters are Mario, Pokemon, and *gasp* Kirby (I'll put it in my blog when I get the chance). Zelda was a close one. Those are the only franchises who are big enough to warrant getting two new reps in my super duper humble opinion. In my wishlist/roster's current form, I cut quite a few that I didn't want to. Dixie was one of them, but she was the first to go, simply because I think DKC can wait to have itself "completed."

I dunno, she's just too physically similar to Diddy for me to prioritize her over some that I see being left out in favor of her.

@Bowserlick Then, on the other side of the coin, I would say that the idea that Anthony Higgs isn't iconic is your your opinion. He's been a major presence in Samus's life (even if that presence was only made known in Other M), and he could continue to be in future games. Other M was hated by many and loved by many, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a Metroid game, which makes it matter to the series. I say Anthony is pretty iconic.

 

[Kolorado]

As a side note, I found this blog interesting, and seriously rage worthy. This is more proof that the Street Fighter/Tekken/shoryuken community sucks (along with Capcom)... and why I think a Nintendo vs. Capcom game should NEVER happen! I don't want to have to compete against these c***heads. Nintendo vs. Konami sounds cool, though.

Even though I am part of the Capcom community, I completely agree with you. That's why I don't spend my time over at Capcom-Unity anymore.

 

[Linkshot]

The 4 reps, personally, should be Samus (with ZSS form), Ridley, Dark Samus, Sylux. You might complain that it's 3 villains to 1 protagonist, but that's the entire point of Metroid: You are a single bounty hunter taking on many missions. Ridley, Dark Samus, and Sylux are the 3 most iconic threats in the Metroid universe. If the "Ridley is too big" argument wins, then use a Pirate Commando.

 

[Kolorado]

The problem Sakurai had with them (or at least the villager) was that they weren't suitable for fighting due to their peaceful nature. I think this is irrelevant because you can make someone fight without actually fighting. Phoenix Wright in MvC3 is a recent example, but if you wanna go further than that, look at a number of cartoon characters that have beaten up their nemesis just by doing goofball things like turning around with a pole in their hand accidentally hitting their enemy constantly (think Sideshow Bob and rakes). At least with this method, not only can you keep their personalities intact, but you can also represent their original games quite nicely. In fact, I made a moveset for Nook where one move involved him planting a seed and it acted as mine by shooting out as a tree whenever someone was in range. Another was just placing furniture.

Ugh... Don't encourage any more Phoenix Wright type characters. I love the Phoenix Wright series, but never did I think, "What would happen if Phoenix Wright could fight Wolverine?" He doesn't belong in a fighting game any more than Mario belongs in a First Person Shooter. If you are going to give us a character like that, at least make sure you give us damn Mega Man first!

But enough about MvC3, as for Smash Bros., I don't see how the characters personalities even matter that much considering they are all supposed to be "Trophies" instead of the actual characters. A notion that I still wish they would do away with.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Can someone convince me that we need Dixie?

I effing love Donkey Kong Country, and I have K. Rool on my roster (then again, who doesn't), but I cannot bring myself to throw Dixie in there. It isn't the fact that I don't like her (although she isn't particularly my favorite), or that I don't think she'd make a good character, but it's much more that there are other characters I want to see before her. She has a low priority for me, and that seems to conflict with most wishlists/rosters/words from people that I've seen here.

On top of that, the only series that I have adding two new characters are Mario, Pokemon, and *gasp* Kirby (I'll put it in my blog when I get the chance). Zelda was a close one. Those are the only franchises who are big enough to warrant getting two new reps in my super duper humble opinion. In my wishlist/roster's current form, I cut quite a few that I didn't want to. Dixie was one of them, but she was the first to go, simply because I think DKC can wait to have itself "completed."

I dunno, she's just too physically similar to Diddy for me to prioritize her over some that I see being left out in favor of her.

@Bowserlick Then, on the other side of the coin, I would say that the idea that Anthony Higgs isn't iconic is your your opinion. He's been a major presence in Samus's life (even if that presence was only made known in Other M), and he could continue to be in future games. Other M was hated by many and loved by many, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a Metroid game, which makes it matter to the series. I say Anthony is pretty iconic.

I used to not be too hyped about Dixie as well, but then I realised how much she'd add in. I'll just say it outright: I'll take ANYTHING DKC related as a playable character in Smash. If we'd end up with Funky Kong, or Cranky Kong instead I'm cool with that to actually. King K.Rool is a must though. He needs this revival.

That you already are familiar with her is great, cause that skips the details.

And actually, she's not too similar physically to Diddy imo. The main difference would be in the attacks featuring Dixie's hair. I picture her as a grab heavy character because of her hair. And B moves involving crazy hair moves. You remember the enemy in DKC2, the Cat O' Nine Tails? Dixie could have a charging B move similar to it's tail swipe attack. Her Side B could be sort of similar to Diddy's yes (and I expect them to do this in fact) but her Up B at least would be unique. To me she seems a sort of mix between DK and Diddy's style. Lot's of zoning and grabbing, but light weighted and fast. She'd be smaller, lighter and even slower than Diddy, but with an awesome recovery. Maybe even the best in the game next to Pit's.

It's basically how you picture her for yourself. As said before, we can't have too many big shot names as newcomers as King K.Rool and Ridley. There of coarse will be more basic characters amongst them, and I really want Dixie to be one of them.

 

[Kolorado]

Can someone convince me that we need Dixie?

I effing love Donkey Kong Country, and I have K. Rool on my roster (then again, who doesn't), but I cannot bring myself to throw Dixie in there. It isn't the fact that I don't like her (although she isn't particularly my favorite), or that I don't think she'd make a good character, but it's much more that there are other characters I want to see before her. She has a low priority for me, and that seems to conflict with most wishlists/rosters/words from people that I've seen here.

On top of that, the only series that I have adding two new characters are Mario, Pokemon, and *gasp* Kirby (I'll put it in my blog when I get the chance). Zelda was a close one. Those are the only franchises who are big enough to warrant getting two new reps in my super duper humble opinion. In my wishlist/roster's current form, I cut quite a few that I didn't want to. Dixie was one of them, but she was the first to go, simply because I think DKC can wait to have itself "completed."

I dunno, she's just too physically similar to Diddy for me to prioritize her over some that I see being left out in favor of her.

@Bowserlick Then, on the other side of the coin, I would say that the idea that Anthony Higgs isn't iconic is your your opinion. He's been a major presence in Samus's life (even if that presence was only made known in Other M), and he could continue to be in future games. Other M was hated by many and loved by many, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a Metroid game, which makes it matter to the series. I say Anthony is pretty iconic.

I have to agree with you about Dixie. She is way too similar to Diddy, and I don't really like the idea of clones unless it is someone major like the Mario Bros. Besides that, I think her relevance is a bit overrated. I guess she was big in the 90's, but since then she just makes minor appearances playing baseball or flying rocket barrels. And in NO WAY should Diddy be changed to a tag team. That would be like making Mario and Luigi a tag team. Personally, the Ice Climbers are all the tag team characters I need.

And on a side note, if the Ice Climbers can get in, I don't see why Anthony Higgs can't get in.

 

[Linkshot]

I guess she was big in the 90's, but since then she just makes minor appearances playing baseball or flying rocket barrels. And in NO WAY should Diddy be changed to a tag team.

Replace "she" with "Donkey Kong" and your statement stays true. This is why it only has 2 characters right now.

 

[Kolorado]

Replace "she" with "Donkey Kong" and your statement stays true. This is why it only has 2 characters right now.

Meh... I partially agree, but considering that DK and Diddy keep popping up in the plethora of Mario Sports titles, and that the two just got a new major game in the past couple years, I think they are more relevant now than they were when Brawl came out. Dixie, however... not so much.

Though again, I'm not sure how much relevance matters, given the inclusion of characters like Ice Climbers and ROB.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

If Dixie had at least been an option as an alternate to Diddy in DKCR, I would be more inclined to expect/want her. Donkey Kong's seires may have taken a diminished role in videogames as of late (let's hope DKCR gets a sequel, though), but imagine what that says about Dixie. She's lower down on the hierarchy than DK and Diddy, so she's the lowest of the three when it comes to relevancy. I also think relevancy is a minor factor in determining certain things, but it does matter sometimes. However, it isn't my biggest factor in not particularly wanting her. I just think there are more characters that should get in before her.

 

[Bowserlick]

Can someone convince me that we need Dixie?

I effing love Donkey Kong Country, and I have K. Rool on my roster (then again, who doesn't), but I cannot bring myself to throw Dixie in there. It isn't the fact that I don't like her (although she isn't particularly my favorite), or that I don't think she'd make a good character, but it's much more that there are other characters I want to see before her. She has a low priority for me, and that seems to conflict with most wishlists/rosters/words from people that I've seen here.

On top of that, the only series that I have adding two new characters are Mario, Pokemon, and *gasp* Kirby (I'll put it in my blog when I get the chance). Zelda was a close one. Those are the only franchises who are big enough to warrant getting two new reps in my super duper humble opinion. In my wishlist/roster's current form, I cut quite a few that I didn't want to. Dixie was one of them, but she was the first to go, simply because I think DKC can wait to have itself "completed."

I dunno, she's just too physically similar to Diddy for me to prioritize her over some that I see being left out in favor of her.

@Bowserlick Then, on the other side of the coin, I would say that the idea that Anthony Higgs isn't iconic is your your opinion. He's been a major presence in Samus's life (even if that presence was only made known in Other M), and he could continue to be in future games. Other M was hated by many and loved by many, but that doesn't change the fact that it's a Metroid game, which makes it matter to the series. I say Anthony is pretty iconic.

I cannot convince you that Smash needs Dixie. However, I think Dixie has a possibility of making the cut for two reasons.

1. Dixie was planned for Brawl. She was going to be a tag team partner to Diddy. I do not see her being a tag team partner anymore, but still I think she has a possibility of getting in. Why?

2. Dixie has a very similar model to Diddy. That means she could come in as a quasi-clone (ala Lucas or Wolf). She would have a majority of different moves, but would share similar ones (perhaps a few specials) with Diddy. Because of Sakurai already has the basis for her model, he would have to allocate fewer resources to make her.


AND to respond to your remarks about Higgins. You are right, that is my opinion. I do not think Higgins is iconic to the series. He does play a role as a big brother figure to Samus, but I do not think that necessarily makes him iconic. He only appeared once, does not have a "whoa" factor (for me), and is shadowed by characters (villans no less which are not represented yet) such as Dark Samus and Ridley.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Sure DK and Diddy are the stars of the newest DKC game, you know how long they've been gone for?? DK Jungle Climber was nice and all, but a true platformer was a decade a go at least... :/

Spoiler

Higgs wanted to take on Ridley for Samus.

So Anthony is actually pretty damn bad ***. I really want him in as a WTF-character addition. Imagine his taunts... "Remember me?" "YOU GOT NO STYLE!" "Don't ya know how to treat a lady!?". He'd be pure SWAG. I'd be more hyped to see him than Ridley actually...

 

[GiantBreadbug]

@Bowserlick I see your points that she could make it in. Those make a lot of sense. I've seen the suggestion thrown around that they combine Diddy and Dixie for Smash 4, which I don't like.

As to Anthony, there are absolutely characters that need in before him (i.e. Ridley). Dark Samus, for me, would be another "Adjective - Name of Character" quasi-clone (to use your term), which isn't all that exciting for me. I will say that Dark Samus is more of an icon to the series than Mr. Higgs, but I would also say that is because Dark Samus had the Prime Trilogy and Higgs only had Other M. Maybe Higgs will appear in another Metroid game, but I cannot say for sure. Dark Samus vs. Anthony Higgs for me is more like Expecting vs. Wanting, and that's an internal battle that I never win.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Dark Samus is pretty much dead now for the series no? I'd like to see her / him / it as a boss specific for Samus perhaps. But Anthony is new flesh, and it's likely he (and Adam) will stay around in the series. At least for a while. So I want him in, to be assured of his future importance in the series. Same with Impa basically.

 

[Shorts]

Where is Kuma? I have a question.

HEY KUMA, whenever you get on, how often are extremely large characters GOOD in most fighting games? Without a doubt Ridely is going to be a the largest character in Smash. So I figured... he's probably going to be either really good... or a really big target. Is their any games where reaaallyy big characters are just DECENT not GREAT or TERRIBLE?

 

[Aurane]

Morning -~- Tired... Wish I was asleep.. but I got a phone call that was taunting me about me wanting Victini 4 Sm4sh... Grr...

In other news, I got a new Avi. Like? Anyone?

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Wait, didn't... didn't Adam spoilerspoilerspoiler? Unless you think he'll, umm...

The Quick Reply Bar should have a spoiler option.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Where is Kuma? I have a question.

HEY KUMA, whenever you get on, how often are extremely large characters GOOD in most fighting games? Without a doubt Ridely is going to be a the largest character in Smash. So I figured... he's probably going to be either really good... or a really big target. Is their any games where reaaallyy big characters are just DECENT not GREAT or TERRIBLE?

I heard Zangief isn't too bad in Street Fighter. Am I right here?

 

[Sephirothxxx]

Morning -~- Tired... Wish I was asleep.. but I got a phone call that was taunting me about me wanting Victini 4 Sm4sh... Grr...

In other news, I got a new Avi. Like? Anyone?

I like your new avi.

Also, I saved both of the custom avis you made on my computer incase i wanted to use them