New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Oasis_S]

Golden Sun is pretty small for something so "hugely popular."

 

[Shorts]

I'd like to see that as an alternate texture.

That palette swap would be disgusting.

Pretty much, I think this is the pool we are going to see 80% of the characters come from.

A Tier

1. King K. Rool (265)
2. Ridley (260)

B Tier
3. Mewtwo (248)
4. Isaac (232)
5. Little Mac (224)
6. Toad (217)
7. Krystal (206)
8. Megaman (201)

C Tier
9. Medusa (172)
10. Dixie Kong (166)
11. Samurai Goroh (150)
12. Palutena (146)
13. Bandana Dee (145)
14. Roy (142)

D Tier
15. Saki (135)
16. Bowser Junior (134)
17. Ghirahim (134)
18. Zoroark (134)
19. Shulk (122)
20. Takamaru (120)


Basically I think the top ten are extremely likely. (Minus Megaman, but he is the best 3rd party pick)

 

[Johnknight1]

She is a bad choice because more people don't like her than like her. She has no personality, she is a symbol of what is wrong with the Star Fox series, and she hasn't been in a game that is anywhere near great. Krystal has only been in the worst 3 games in the series, while the 3 best games in the series don't have Krystal at all.

I have a feeling Krystal could end up like Scrappy Doo (in Scooby Doo) if Star Fox returns to it's former greatness. Scrappy Doo Cut was aside from the animated series entirely after he tanked it, aside random cameo appearances and references. I could easily see this happening with Krystal.

@ Oasis
Golden Sun, saleswise, is actually almost as big as the Star Fox franchise (with half the games), and bigger than F-Zero, Fire Emblem, MOTHER, and Kid Icarus.

 

[Shorts]

I'm not arguing with you about Krystal, but I'm right, so that's that.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

That palette swap would be disgusting.

What I meant was like an alternate model, but still held the same moveset and such.

 

[Big-Cat]

It's funny how many people dismiss the "bring new things" argument so easily, when that's pretty much what Sakurai is looking at.

Probably because people here don't like talking about gameplay.

 

[Oasis_S]

@ Oasis
Golden Sun, saleswise, is actually almost as big as the Star Fox franchise (with half the games), and bigger than F-Zero, Fire Emblem, MOTHER, and Kid Icarus.

Lololonope.

 

[LC-DDM]

I'll be honest, I don't see Dark Samus workin' as a seperate character, despite everyone saying it's different from Samus. It's like it just want Nega-Scott or some ****, just a dark twist on the damn thing.

And another thing, Krystal may not be perfect, but I'd rather have her than Peppy the meme or that ACCURSED GREEN SPACE JELLYBEAN.

I already said what should change for the new Smash, Kuma -- more power at the cost of more damage, similar to Lucario (except with actual property changes)

 

[ChronoBound]

She is a bad choice because more people don't like her than like her. She has no personality, she is a symbol of what is wrong with the Star Fox series, and she hasn't been in a game that is anywhere near great. Krystal has only been in the worst 3 games in the series, while the 3 best games in the series don't have Krystal at all.

I have a feeling Krystal could end up like Scrappy Doo (in Scooby Doo) if Star Fox returns to it's former greatness. Scrappy Doo Cut was aside from the animated series entirely after he tanked it, aside random cameo appearances and references. I could easily see this happening with Krystal.

Johnknight is entirely right about this. He is also right that Krystal has a very good chance of being erased from the series if Star Fox does get rebooted (they will probably go back to the original team of Fox, Falco, Slippy, Peppy).

Also, the best three games he is talking about are Star Fox, Star Fox 64, and Star Fox 2 (which should really get some sort of official release).

 

[Shorts]

Probably because people here don't like talking about gameplay.

Really, the best thing to do when trying to figure out who is a top candidate for SSB, you need to look at what Sakurai is looking at, and what he is looking FOR.

- Sakurai probably is going to look at all his old Brawl questionaire stuff
- He's probably going to look at past ideas he didn't have time to implement in Brawl

- He's going to look for characters who can bring new stuff to the table

That's pretty much all I can think of atm, unless you can think of some I missed?

Johnknight is entirely right about this. He is also right that Krystal has a very good chance of being erased from the series if Star Fox does get rebooted

Okay, in the mean time, characters are going to be decided on in the next six months....

Annd of course John is right. "If StarFox stops using newer characters, Krystal is liek, gone!"

 

[Metal Overlord]

I'm more interested in modes and stages than characters, at the moment

 

[Johnknight1]

Again, few people bought the games Krystal was in, Adventures aside (which was a TRAP GAME!). Command and Assault sold about as well as Donkey Kong Jungle Beat...

@ Oasis
Last I checked, the Star Fox franchise sold a bit under 5 million units with 6 games (most of which are from Star Fox 64), and Golden Sun has sold about 3 million units with 3 games.

@ Chrono
I was referring to Star Fox, Star Fox 64, and Star Fox 64 3D. However, I will say that Star Fox 2 is much better than all the other Star Fox games. But yes, Krystal could easily be deleted, along with Panther. The Star Fox/Star Fox 64 characters were all made by Shigeru Miyamoto, so I think that because of that and the quality of those games, all of those characters will stay in series, possibly forever. I think that Retro Studios (I am assuming they are making the next Star Fox game) will try to do that. They like going back to a franchises' roots, dropping stuff (whether liked, hated, good, or bad), and then adding their own blueprint on it. However, I think Miyamoto is supervising the game, and will want a lot of the older characters to return.

Also, work on every character's special moves to make them more viable. It sucks that all characters have, at most, 3 viable Special moves, and most of them only have about 2 or even 1 special move that doesn't suck ***.

This is pure truth! 50-75% of specials in Brawl sucked!!! Nearly all of the bottom half characters on the tiers have 1 good special at most.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

I'm more interested in modes and stages than characters, at the moment

That's the mood i'm in as well. Wanna give some ideas?

 

[LC-DDM]

Okay, you know what? Bringing Star Fox 2 makes me cement this now.

Screw Krystal, screw Peppy, it's all about Miyu. End of argument.

 

[JavaCroc]

I'm more interested in modes and stages than characters, at the moment

Those are topics I could get much more into than characters.

(I hate when I make one-sentence posts. They feel useless.)

 

[Sephirothxxx]

Okay, you know what? Bringing Star Fox 2 makes me cement this now.

Screw Krystal, screw Peppy, it's all about Miyu. End of argument.

I didn't like the extra characters in starfox 2

 

[LC-DDM]

I'd still rather have Miyu. No one ever asks for her.

Underrated characters for the mother loving win.

 

[ChronoBound]

I hardly see how Krystal is at all a main character in Assault. She produces a bare minimum to the plot, and serves merely as Peppy's replacement as a pilot.
Hell, Peppy's not a pilot in this one, and he still did more than Krystal by risking his life to save General Pepper. Krystal was just....there.
Krystal also does nothing to differenciate herself from the other two pilots. At least Slippy analyzed shield strength for bosses. Like Falco, Krystal only assisted you in return for saving her ***.

And really, who's more important between a founding member of StarFox and a tacked-on love interest who wasn't originally a SF character?

Command is non-canon anyway, and did NOT put Krystal in a good light. I mean, being a ***** to Fox? Leaving the team and joining Star Wolf? Running away and changing her named to Kursed?
Sure, there were endings where she and Fox were happy together, but love interests aren't important in deciding who is "deserving". Otherwise, Daisy would be a prime candidate due to Luigi, and Candy Kong for Donkey Kong.

Leading lady? You act as though she was on Samus' level of badassery. She was nothing more than the Peach/Zelda of Adventures, and unlike those two, she hardly qualifies as a super major character of the series.

So yes, to view Krystal as a more important character than Peppy or even Slippy is clear bias.

EDIT: Furthermore, to act as though Krystal is except from the possibility of being like Wolf or Falco in Smash is flawed.
Even WITH the staff, she can still be like Wolf and have similar B-moves to Fox while having unique A-moves.

I think Golden outlined the grievances people have about Krystal really well. I personally don't see her as more significant than Slippy or Peppy, and she does not have the advantage as those two pilots do of being associated with the GOOD half of the Star Fox series.

 

[Big-Cat]

Really, the best thing to do when trying to figure out who is a top candidate for SSB, you need to look at what Sakurai is looking at, and what he is looking FOR.

- Sakurai probably is going to look at all his old Brawl questionaire stuff
- He's probably going to look at past ideas he didn't have time to implement in Brawl

- He's going to look for characters who can bring new stuff to the table

That's pretty much all I can think of atm, unless you can think of some I missed?

I think that's the gist of it. And before anyone says that you can make a moveset for anyone, this is only true to a certain extent. After a certain point when you're trying to make a character, you can end with that character being such in name only. It wouldn't make sense for Peach to play exactly like Samus after all.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

What would you guys like for online friends lists and things?

I would like to be able to change the basic outlines of the menu's to make the colors more you sttyle instead of so bright if you don't like bright colors.

Also, new online pictures, more from each series, item pictures (Mr. Saturn <3)

More modes for vs. with stock blah blah

3v3 maybe

 

[Johnknight1]

There needs to be a King of the Hill mode and a "Tank" mode. The former could be a selectable area or a selectable area (and then move). The latter would be 1 super buffed character against 2 or 3 (maybe up to 1 vs. 5 or 2 vs. 4 if we get 6 player gameplay) regular characters. It could be done two ways. One, whoever lasts longest wins, or two, whoever lasts X amount of time as the Tank wins (you become the Tank by killing the tank or doing the most damage).

@ LC-DDM
I don't consider Star Fox 2 as an actual "game" in the series due to it being canceled although leaked (and I don't think Nintendo does either), but that reference is hilarious and awesome! That game was great for a unreleased game.

@ Shortie
That is assuming Sakurai actually knows (or cares to know) who Krystal is. Not many people in Japan care about 21st century Star Fox games, Star Fox 64 3D aside. Heck, I think Star Fox 2 is more popular there than the other 3 games with Krystal in it in Japan.

 

[Big-Cat]

Can I get it like Xbox Live at least?

 

[Sephirothxxx]

I'd still rather have Miyu. No one ever asks for her.

Underrated characters for the mother loving win.

Yeah I guess Miyu would be better to have than Krystal. Either way I dont want krystal in the next smash.

Miyu looks pretty awesome.

 

[ChronoBound]

Okay, in the mean time, characters are going to be decided on in the next six months....

Annd of course John is right. "If StarFox stops using newer characters, Krystal is liek, gone!"

And Sakurai is well aware that the series's only game in the last five years was a remake of Star Fox 64, especially considering he bought the game. There is a good chance that most of Smash 4's Star Fox content will be based mostly around Star Fox 64 3D, much like most of Brawl's Zelda content came from Twilight Princess and Wind Waker.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

I wonder what the character roster and menu's will look like in the end

 

[Metal Overlord]

What I'd really like to see is an expansive Stage Builder

A mode with so much potential, but was so disappointing in Brawl. How about giving us more than 3 backgrounds to choose from this time, and at that, how about letting us design our own Target Test courses, too?

 

[LC-DDM]

Y'know, there's something on my mind...

Maybe completely unrelated, but hear me out...

What if we had a "generations" stage? Y'know... Battlefield that changes between 64, Melee, and Brawl, for example. Or maybe Mushroom Kingdom (referencing the Smash 64 version, MK1 from Melee and 1-1 of Brawl).

 

[Sephirothxxx]

Stage builder could be way better in the next smash...

 

[JavaCroc]

What I'd really like to see is an expansive Stage Builder

A mode with so much potential, but was so disappointing in Brawl. How about giving us more than 3 backgrounds to choose from this time, and at that, how about letting us design our own Target Test courses, too?

THIS is a good way to design the next Stage Builder.

Man, I wish Hex would come back.

Y'know, there's something on my mind...

Maybe completely unrelated, but hear me out...

What if we had a "generations" stage? Y'know... Battlefield that changes between 64, Melee, and Brawl, for example. Or maybe Mushroom Kingdom (referencing the Smash 64 version, MK1 from Melee and 1-1 of Brawl).

Nice idea. A great way to represent Smash's history.

I've personally had the idea of a stage that changes to show settings or characters from various Nintendo games not included as characters or full-blown stages. You start in a stadium, for example, and the stadium changes to the marsh in Duck Hunt. After a short period of time, it changes back into the stadium with Nintendo characters and objects now added onto the sidelines to view the action. These characters would change with each stage transition.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

stage builder needs improved big time

Also alternating stages is kinda like textures, I've mentioned that before in other threads.

Doing challenges unlocks new stages with songs EX

Do some really hard Sonic Challenge

You unlock a Final Dest. Sonic Themed Stage.

Rewards System, could make use of all the space we get.

 

[Johnknight1]

Okay, in the mean time, characters are going to be decided on in the next six months....

Annd of course John is right. "If StarFox stops using newer characters, Krystal is liek, gone!"

I actually think most characters will be selected within the next 8 to 18 months. Of course, there are 3rd party characters that could take longer to secure and late (clone?) adds as well.

This is a possibility. Personally, I would rather have no Krystal in Star Fox than Krystal with her current personality. However, I would rather they give her a more interesting personality to make me like her more. I don't want a potentially unique character to be dropped just because they couldn't develop her.

Krystal does have potential to be an interesting character. That is what irritates me. I would love her personality to have that, because I want to want Krystal in smash because of her potentially unique moveset she could have. However, I can't like Krystal because she is an annoying character in bargain bin games. (it's like I'm a little conflicted)

And Sakurai is well aware that the series's only game in the last five years was a remake of Star Fox 64, especially considering he bought the game. There is a good chance that most of Smash 4's Star Fox content will be based mostly around Star Fox 64 3D, much like most of Brawl's Zelda content came from Twilight Princess and Wind Waker.

This is possible, however I think the Star Fox game that is probably in development now is what a lot of the content will be from. I do expect, however, that a lot of stuff from Star Fox 64/64 3D will still impact the franchise's representation heavily in smash.

 

[Shorts]

And Sakurai is well aware that the series's only game in the last five years was a remake of Star Fox 64, especially considering he bought the game. There is a good chance that most of Smash 4's Star Fox content will be based mostly around Star Fox 64 3D, much like most of Brawl's Zelda content came from Twilight Princess and Wind Waker.

Yeah, I'm not nervous. *Looks at Sheik in Brawl*

Didn't seem like a big problem. I'm sure Sakurai will figure out how to change Krystal's fur texture.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

stage builder needs improved big time

Also alternating stages is kinda like textures, I've mentioned that before in other threads.

Doing challenges unlocks new stages with songs EX

Do some really hard Sonic Challenge

You unlock a Final Dest. Sonic Themed Stage.

Rewards System, could make use of all the space we get.

I like that. Simple little rewards for doing simple (or not so simple) tasks.

 

[LC-DDM]

THIS is a good way to design the next Stage Builder.

Man, I wish Hex would come back.


Nice idea. A great way to represent Smash's history.

I've personally had the idea of a stage that changes to show settings or characters from various Nintendo games not included as characters or full-blown stages. You start in a stadium, for example, and the stadium changes to the marsh in Duck Hunt. After a short period of time, it changes back into the stadium with Nintendo characters and objects now added onto the sidelines to view the action. These characters would change with each stage transition.

Like a Pokémon Stadium of sorts, except it encompasses all of the Nintendoverse?

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, I'm not nervous. *Looks at Sheik in Brawl*

Didn't seem like a big problem. I'm sure Sakurai will figure out how to change Krystal's fur texture.

Difference between Sheik and Krystal: Sheik was already an established Smash character; Krystal is not.

 

[ChronoBound]

Yeah, I'm not nervous. *Looks at Sheik in Brawl*

Didn't seem like a big problem. I'm sure Sakurai will figure out how to change Krystal's fur texture.

Bad example. Sheik was one of the most popular newcomers in Melee. By comparison, Krystal is an unpopular character in Japan from a series that is both in decline and most feel already has enough characters.

 

[LC-DDM]

If it counts, Krystal's an established porn character... *thumbtwiddle*

 

[Johnknight1]

Sheik was a popular addition, and nobody hated Sheik then. She was a simple character that fit a great role in one of the greatest and most influential games of all-time. The Legend of Zelda franchise has also always been one of the most liked and beloved franchises in all of gaming.

Krystal is the Scrappy Doo of the Star Fox franchise. Although her first game was okay, it wasn't a Star Fox game. Her other two games were bargain bin games, and helped turn the Star Fox brand into trash. Literally, the "Star Fox" name was golden before Adventures came out. Now it means about as much as the Sonic name meant about 5 years ago (although Star Fox 64 3D has brought it back into good light).

 

[Deleted member]

If it counts, Krystal's an established porn character... *thumbtwiddle*

"If it exists, there is porn of it."

EVERY character in Smash is an established porn character.

 

[payasofobia]

What I'd really like to see is an expansive Stage Builder

A mode with so much potential, but was so disappointing in Brawl. How about giving us more than 3 backgrounds to choose from this time, and at that, how about letting us design our own Target Test courses, too?

This.

This is the reason why I don't discuss stages much. Why should you, when you have a good stage builder?