New Smash Bros for WiiU

[payasofobia]

I'll just put this here. Baduup.

Is there more of this? If so, where can I find it?

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

Besides Ridley is there any other Metroid Characters who people want in?

Well, I know there is but like specifically not really mentioned yet.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

Sylux, mon!

 

[Deleted member]

I've seen requests for Dark Samus, Anthony Higgs, Sylux, and Rundas.

SOME for Adam Malkovich and MB, but not as much.

Personally, having Fake Kraid would be cool as well. FS would be the real Kraid in his giant-*** glory.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

Sylux would be cool. He'd go great in smash.

Kanden would be neat too.

EDIT: I meant spire... not kanden.
Although kanden would be kinda cool

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

I'd kinda want Sylux, not Dark Samus that much, only as an extra texture.

I know Dark Samus isn't much like Samus but still.

If they reworked Samus to have more up to date things and made her have cooler gadgets it'd make a little more sense probably anyways or look better at that.

 

[payasofobia]

Besides Ridley is there any other Metroid Characters who people want in?

IF they ever get around releasing Prime 4, then Sylux. Maybe even Anthony or Dark Samus. But most of them are extras. With Ridley, Zero Suit and Samus, we have all the main ones.

I can see it now. Ridley will be one of the first new characters to be revealed in hte first trailer. Little Mac also seems like a likely candidate. Would be nice to have a pure Brawler-type character for once.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

I can see Dark Samus, but more like a clone than a unique character. That's like saying you want Sa-ex in there.

 

[Oasis_S]

Is there more of this? If so, where can I find it?

Not really. Not sure exactly how you mean more though.

That would be Ridley's size if it was in proportion to his original NES size.

I've been meaning to draw PORKY, but laaazy.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Sometimes I wonder why people don't take the following image into account for Ridley's size...

[collapse=Ridley's Melee Cameo]

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Ridley can easily be made to be shorter. Think about Kirby and Olimar; the former is supposed to be 8 inches tall, while the latter is only as big as a nickel.

 

[Oasis_S]

To be fair, he only looks small in that due to PERSPECTIVE.

But yeah, size is a non-issue.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

I hope we get more online profile character images, just sayin' I'd like better ones for Ness and Lucas.

Especially some Mother icons, a Mr. Saturn, Starmen, stuff from series you kno?

Also I don't really want lil' Mac

I think somebody more fitting could make the cut instead...

I mean seriously, I just don't see him playing..

Ridley I do see now but Lil Mac I'm just annoyed of

 

[Shorts]

For my children, read up and stop embarrassing me.

[COLLAPSE="SSB4 Key Characters"]l can’t sleep, so I decided I would take this time to write a little something up. The topic for tonight’s rant is: “Finishing” the franchises. What do I mean by that? I mean, adding all the final “Key characters” into the pre-existing franchises that have been established in SSBB. I guess I should just begin:

Super Mario
• Mario
• Luigi
• Peach
• Bowser
• Toad (Debatable)
• Junior (Debatable)
I really don’t think Toad or Junior are QUITE on the level that the other four are, TBH. But, I added them because I think it could be argued that they are/will be. Doc doesn’t actually make this list, even if he is a legitimate choice, I don’t think he is a key character to the Mario franchise. Same goes for Paper Mario, and Geno, and that loser Waluigi.

Yoshi Story
• Yoshi
• Kamek
No one wants Baby Bowser right? Kamek is the main villain IMO. Shy Guys can piss off, and so can the Baby Bros. They’re…. they’re whatever.

WarioWare/Land
• Wario
• Captain Syrup
• Mona/Jimmy T.
Mona has my vote, but I think either is fine. Characters like Ashley remind me of…. Jiggs. They’re randomly popular, but not all that “Important”. Plus Ware probably only needs a single character. But whatever, I thought she was worth mentioning.

Donkey Kong Country
• Donkey Kong
• Diddy Kong
• King K. Rool
• Dixie Kong
For Donkey Kong, I would like to make a note of Cranky Kong. While he isn’t playable character Material, I do think he would be considered a “Main” character, despite being less important that the four I’ve listed above. Funky Kong, doesn’t mean much to Smash… just putting that one out there.

Legend Of Zelda
• Link
• Zelda / Sheik
• Ganondorf
• Child Link
• Tingle
The reason Sheik is on this list is because she simply IS Zelda, and when it comes to Smash she is just as important as Jiggly and Ness. They’re weird veterans who have big fan bases, even if they aren’t too important to their series’. Ghirahim and the other one shots, not important. I could list them all, but we know who they are. Also, I guess I could bring up Toon Zelda / Tetra. There. I brought them up.

Pokemon
• Pikachu
• Jigglypuff
• Pokemon Trainer (Char/Ivy/Squirt)
• Lucario
• Mewtwo
• Fifth Generation rep / Sixth Gen Rep
• 2nd/3rd Generation rep (Debatable)
While I think it’s a travesty that the third Generation never got it’s rep, it probably isn’t going to happen. It could be argued you need all Gens to rep Pokemon correctly, and it can also be argued you only need the first Gen to have all the key characters. Pick a side, or don’t. I don’t care. And never talk to me about Pokemon Rangers. You fool.

Kirby Series
• Kirby
• King Dedede
• Meta Knight
• Bandana Dee (Debatable)
I honestly DON’T KNOW how prominent he is, but I think he’s worth a mention… I think. He might fall under the same Junior/Toad argument. I don’t think Magalor and Fluff need to be explained? Do they?

Metroid
• Samus / ZSS
• Ridley
I actually think ZSS is an important character, but whatever. Shoutout to Dark Samus. If I was going to add “Kinda Important” characters to the list, she/he would be up there.

StarFox
• Fox
• Falco
• Wolf
• Krystal
That’s it. No Leon, no Slippy. These four. Although I think I SHOULD mention Andross. An important, obviously, NPC.

Mother
• Ness
• Lucas
• Porky
• Claus / MM
I would like to start off by saying I think Ninten might make this list, but I think four is enough for Mother. Giygas probably should be mentioned as well. He falls under the Andross category.

Fire Emblem
• Marth
• Ike
• Roy
• Chrome/Future FE Lord
Chrome may not mean a thing, but someday, there might just be another FE lord that is as important as these three. I’m sure there are more I should mention, but I think they fall under the same category as Mother. I can’t mention every freaking important FE character.

F-Zero
• Captain Falcon
• Samurai Goroh
• Black Shadow
The way I’ve had it explained to me is sorta like this? CF is Fox, Goroh is Wolf, and BS is Andross? Shoutout to Jody Summers. Toise can make that argument for her, I certainly can’t.

Kid Icarus
• Pit
• Medusa
• Palutena
Regaurdless of how well KI:U sells, these characters are necessary if you want to complete this franchise. And no, that guy with the big sword, isn’t. Magnus. That’s his name.

~ Now, there isn’t anything wrong with less important characters. I like Dark Samus, Geno, and Midna.. I just don’t expect them, and they really don’t mean NEARLY as much as the characters listed above. This list is all about Key Characters, and finishing franchises. They are cool though, I can give them that. Olimar, Ice Climber, ROB, and Game & Watch are, fine. You should know that.

Third Party Choices
• Sonic
• Snake
• Bomberman
• Pac – Man
• Megaman
• Ryu
• Black Mage
• Slime
Layton is cool, he really is. But hello? Level-5 < SEGA, Capcom, Konami, Namco and Square Enix. Bomberman makes about a million times more sense than Snake, that’s why he is up there. Tails, and NiGHTS, and Shadow are jokes. Pac-Man I Namco’s freaking face, and ace. He’s thefaceace. Great choice. SE could go with Slime, but I think Black Mage is a smarter choice. Either is good though. And Megaman and Ryu are both awesome choices. You pick your faves. Ryu for me, Meganman for you. Ryu Hotsauce, or whatever his name is, doesn’t matter. Geno was mentioned in the Mario slots, where he belongs. Uhhh, Tekken and SC aren’t the best choices, same with RE (Even though it’s probably Capcom’s most lucrative franchise). Banjo Kazooie will never happen, I’m sorry everyone. And, then… we have like, Castlevania… who is mentionable, but yeah, it’s Snake or Bombs in my mind. Anyone I missed? Too bad.
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Samus, ZSS, Ridley, Dark Samus.

I've been meaning to draw PORKY, but laaazy.

PLEASE DO. I want to see this so bad.

 

[payasofobia]

Speaking of which....GUYS YOU WANT TO SEE BUT IT WILL NEVER HAPPEN.

Every time he dies, he comes back weaker and lighter, and loses some of his attacks. At his last stock, he can't even jump or move. Only wobble.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

That would be insane

 

[Deleted member]

@Shortie: I fail to see how Krystal is a key character. Methinks there is bias involved, as Peppy is much more deserving.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

I hope we get more online profile character images, just sayin' I'd like better ones for Ness and Lucas.

Especially some Mother icons, a Mr. Saturn, Starmen, stuff from series you kno?

Also I don't really want lil' Mac

I think somebody more fitting could make the cut instead...

I mean seriously, I just don't see him playing..

Ridley I do see now but Lil Mac I'm just annoyed of

I'll say it again <. <

 

[Sephirothxxx]

@Shortie: I fail to see how Krystal is a key character. Methinks there is bias involved, as Peppy is much more deserving.

Peppy>Krystal.

But really, I'd be much happier with peppy than Krystal.

 

[Deleted member]

As much as I berate Kuma for making references to outside fighers, I am going to have to be a hypocrate on this one.

Look at Balrog and Dudley of Street Fighter for an idea on how a boxer like Little Mac could work.

 

[GiantBreadbug]

Level 5 < Other third party companies for what reason? They have made fewer games? My big ol' bias for Layton is getting in the way here, but that's silly. Their work on any number of games has better quality than some of the titles those other third parties pump out.

 

[payasofobia]

I posted this in the 3DS thread. Any thoughts?

They could go the Commedia Dell Arte route and make the Adventure mode alter the characters so they fit the selected character's canon more.

Say: Mario's Adventure Mode starts with the Princess Kidnapped, as usual, and he must go rescue her. You go on standard platforming sections most of the time, going through a Mario Bros-esque overworld, but each level is based on a different series, and the characters change their behavious to fit a Mario Adventure more, like Kirby helping Mario fly, or Fox taking Mario to Bowser's Airship.

Then we can have Samus Adventure mode, which plays like the Grand maze. She starts with very few abilities. It's up to you to explore the different sectors, amongst them Bowser's Castle, the Shadow Temple, even a crashed Great Fox, to look for items from other series. Other characters appear as Etecoons and teach Samus special abilities. Like Mario teaching Samus the Goomba Stomp, Pit how to control her missiles and the like.

Or Fox's stage, which plays more like a shooter than anything, focusing on lots of ranged enemies and you useing your pistol or even airwing and you get to choose 3 other characters as your "Wingmen", appearing at times and helping you fight enemies.

 

[Johnknight1]

My responses to posts from yesterday/earlier today

@ Chrono (old post you made yesterday around 4 PM PST I accidentally deleted my response to)
I think that Gen 5 reps are no longer locks in my mind, but they still are very likely. I also think that Zoroark and Victini aren't the only candidates anymore, because I think a new legendary (Gen 5.5, lol=???) that could "fit" in smash bros could dethrone both of them.

If we get anything Mother/Earthbound-related, then it should be Fourside
New Pork City can GTFO, and Onett I couldn't care less about

Onett is a fun stage. Fourside is nice I guess, but it's really just a poor man's Saffron City. New Pork City is basically a giant turd. Personally, I think we need a new MOTHER stage that doesn't totally blow. Saturn Valley or the island you live on in MOTHER 3, maybe=???

Would Saki and Isaac be at about the same "level" you think?
Always thought of Saki and Isaac as in the same boat. :I

The difference is that Issac's series is hugely popular. Golden Sun has outsold the Sin and Punishment franchise about 30 to 1. Many people who own Brawl have played Golden Sun, whereas next to no one who owns a Brawl even knows what Sin and Punishment is, or would even connect Saki with it.

@John I absolutely see what you mean about Gold/Silver having better features. I can't believe they removed the Pokémon following behind feature. And you'd think they could make Unova a bit more expansive, considering what they did with 2nd Gen on the Gameboy Color. And where the eff was the VS. Seeker for 5th Gen? I was really upset when I learned that when I got Black & White.

As for replayability, I don't know what it is about the new Pokémon, but I literally train my team every day (usually in Nimbasa's Sports Domes). When they reach Level 100 and their EVs are to my liking, I trade them over to the opposite version and start over. There are just sooooo many Pokémon I want to raise.

I think that the menu for HG/SS was clearly much better as well. I also think that being able to rematch trainers and gym leaders any day was awesome (although it should be every day). The Sports Dome and Forrest/City areas were cool, but c'mon! That's like... 20 trainers at the most. There's hundreds in the game. You should be able to face all of 'em multiple times! Pokémon seems like it's stuck in the past at this moment.

Also, Unova is still small.

I remember Iblis suggesting that the leaderboards should be seasonal. I like that idea. The leaderboard would reset every so often (let's say three months) and everyone has to climb up to the top again.

That is exactly what they have over at All is Brawl. It works pretty well, and people are happy with it. I think that your highest ranking during a rankings season and at the end of a ranking season should be on display on your online profile for each of these forthcoming smash bros games. That way, you can show off if you are an online beast...

I'm surprised we're talking about who should be DLC. Screw that.

Yeah, we should talk about which characters should be DLC after the game comes out. If the development team needs time to make them and the release date is near, they have 3 options:
1. Cut the character(s) and release the game.
2. Delay the game and put the character(s) in.
3. Release the game on time or about on time and add the characters as DLC.

I prefer option 2 or 3, but we aren't anywhere near that. So worrying about it is silly unless Sakurai or someone close to development says that. We should be aware of it, though. And dang it, let's hope most of it is free... although I wouldn't mind paying for a few characters that WEREN'T thought of during development. I'm fine with that.

Also, someone sent me a message wishing me a happy birthday today. My birthday is in May...
That is almost as random as some dude blasting his music loudly in the area behind my house from his car while he sat outside it. To make it more random, the "area behind my house" is a REALLY OLD GRAVEYARD!!!

 

[Shorts]

@Shortie: I fail to see how Krystal is a key character. Methinks there is bias involved, as Peppy is much more deserving.

You're going to get me in trouble. Main characters in three of the five games. Leading lady in Adventures. Main role in Command and in command pretty much most of her and Fox's stories rely on one another. Solidifying her status as the female love interest. Pretty much more important than Falco, Peppy and Slippy considering she is both the "Leading love interest" and manages to fuful the Falco/Peppy/Slippy role n Assualt. Pretty much has had roles that outshine any other character left to be added.

Throw out the word bias whenever you disagree.

 

[Sephirothxxx]

Also, someone sent me a message wishing me a happy birthday today. My birthday is in May...
That is almost as random as some dude blasting his music loudly in the area behind my house from his car while he sat outside it. To make it more random, the "area behind my house" is a REALLY OLD GRAVEYARD!!!

That's... different.

Why do so many people think it would be better to have characters as DLC instead of just all of the characters being there?

 

[Johnknight1]

The problem with your theory shortie is you assume people care about those games. You forgot that only 15 people bought them.

Also, Falco, Peppy, and Slipp have always been Star Fox members. They all have been in the series since the beginning, and always are at Fox's side... especially Falco. Plus, we all love Falco and his attitude.

 

[LC-DDM]

Dark Samus > Any other random Metroid character.

Hi there, alternate costume that is barely worth having as an actual character.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Sephiroth
As late add ons so not to delay the game. For instance, if Mewtwo or Roy were in the game, the Smash Bros development team would need to do one of two things:
1. Delay the game and put them in.
2. Release the game on schedule and make them DLC characters (yes, the Wii has DLC).

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

At your post above about Mother stages, it'd be cool to have a stage where you fight the Masked Man.

Also... do you guys want Snake back in brawl?

 

[Shorts]

The problem with your theory shortie is you assume people care about those games. You forgot that only 15 people bought them.

Also, Falco, Peppy, and Slipp have always been Star Fox members. They all have been in the series since the beginning, and always are at Fox's side... especially Falco. Plus, we all love Falco and his attitude.

Hey, he asked about her importance to the story, so yeah. I gave him what he asked for. Yeah Slippy Peppy and Falco have been in it, with lesser roles. Kind of the point I was making.

Hi there, alternate costume that is barely worth having as an actual character.

Opinions are fun!

Krystal IS a key character, she just isn't a very good one, honestly

Exactly. Key character, some people just don't like.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Krystal IS a key character, she just isn't a very good one, honestly

Though I don't mind her getting in, but then again, I don't mind ANYBODY getting in except for Zoroark

 

[Sephirothxxx]

Yeah screw Zoroark. He really shouldn't get in.

 

[Johnknight1]

Hey, he asked about her importance to the story, so yeah. I gave him what he asked for. Yeah Slippy Peppy and Falco have been in it, with lesser roles. Kind of the point I was making.

Depends what you mean by "lesser" and "roles." The Star Fox series really doesn't have much of a story, Adventures silly story and Command's stupid soap opera aside. In the latter, depending on your path, Falco could be more important than Krystal. Heck, Slippy could be more important.

In all the other games the "important" characters are the one who appear on screen a lot or often. Slippy and Falco are always on the screen (again, aside from Adventures and Command), while Peppy is on the screen in 2 Star Fox games and often appears in another. Regardless, the reason I say Slippy and Falco (and maybe Peppy) have a bigger role than Krystal is because they have been there longer.

I guess this is kinda like the Toad vs. Bowser Jr debate, except if 2 Toads were running ahead of you on the screen, and one of them was failing a lot!

 

[JavaCroc]

Hi there, alternate costume that is barely worth having as an actual character.

Krystal IS a key character, she just isn't a very good one, honestly

Though I don't mind her getting in, but then again, I don't mind ANYBODY getting in except for Zoroark.

I concur with your statements. Except I also don't mind Zoroark for SSB4 as well.

They could add 8-Bit Mario as a character and I wouldn't care.

 

[Big-Cat]

Why are we discussing roles when we should be talking about if they could work in Smash and bring anything new. Krystal mother****ing does both of those mother****ing things easily.

 

[Shorts]

Depends what you mean by "lesser" and "roles." The Star Fox series really doesn't have much of a story, Adventures silly story and Command's stupid soap opera aside. In the latter, depending on your path, Falco could be more important than Krystal. Heck, Slippy could be more important.

In all the other games the "important" characters are the one who appear on screen a lot or often. Slippy and Falco are always on the screen (again, aside from Adventures and Command), while Peppy is on the screen in 2 Star Fox games and often appears in another. Regardless, the reason I say Slippy and Falco (and maybe Peppy) have a bigger role than Krystal is because they have been there longer.

I guess this is kinda like the Toad vs. Bowser Jr debate, except if 2 Toads were running ahead of you on the screen, and one of them was failing a lot!

"Besides what makes her important, she isn't important"

Oh John....

Why are we discussing roles when we should be talking about if they could work in Smash and bring anything new. Krystal mother****ing does both of those mother****ing things easily.

It's funny how many people dismiss the "bring new things" argument so easily, when that's pretty much what Sakurai is looking at.

 

[Johnknight1]

@ Shortie
I agree that Krystal is a "key" character too just to clarify that. I think just about everyone does. But again, so is Fox (the key character), Falco, Slippy, Peppy, Wolf, and maybe Andross.

But we can all agree on one thing:

that Leon is the most important Star Fox character...

...and that Panther seriously sucks!

 

[Sephirothxxx]

They could add 8-Bit Mario as a character and I wouldn't care.

I'd like to see that as an alternate texture.

 

[BlueberrySyrup]

Paper Mario

Also Bowser Junior I would want with his paintbrush, maybe shadow mario.

EDIT They should make a Super Mario Sunshine 2.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Kuma's got the right idea

Her personality is a bit of a turn-off, IMO, but she's not a bad choice for Smash because she most likely won't be another damn space animal

 

[Deleted member]

You're going to get me in trouble. Main characters in three of the five games. Leading lady in Adventures. Main role in Command and in command pretty much most of her and Fox's stories rely on one another. Solidifying her status as the female love interest. Pretty much more important than Falco, Peppy and Slippy considering she is both the "Leading love interest" and manages to fuful the Falco/Peppy/Slippy role n Assualt. Pretty much has had roles that outshine any other character left to be added.

Throw out the word bias whenever you disagree.

I hardly see how Krystal is at all a main character in Assault. She produces a bare minimum to the plot, and serves merely as Peppy's replacement as a pilot.
Hell, Peppy's not a pilot in this one, and he still did more than Krystal by risking his life to save General Pepper. Krystal was just....there.
Krystal also does nothing to differenciate herself from the other two pilots. At least Slippy analyzed shield strength for bosses. Like Falco, Krystal only assisted you in return for saving her ***.

And really, who's more important between a founding member of StarFox and a tacked-on love interest who wasn't originally a SF character?

Command is non-canon anyway, and did NOT put Krystal in a good light. I mean, being a ***** to Fox? Leaving the team and joining Star Wolf? Running away and changing her named to Kursed?
Sure, there were endings where she and Fox were happy together, but love interests aren't important in deciding who is "deserving". Otherwise, Daisy would be a prime candidate due to Luigi, and Candy Kong for Donkey Kong.

Leading lady? You act as though she was on Samus' level of badassery. She was nothing more than the Peach/Zelda of Adventures, and unlike those two, she hardly qualifies as a super major character of the series.

So yes, to view Krystal as a more important character than Peppy or even Slippy is clear bias.

EDIT: Furthermore, to act as though Krystal is except from the possibility of being like Wolf or Falco in Smash is flawed.
Even WITH the staff, she can still be like Wolf and have similar B-moves to Fox while having unique A-moves.