New Smash Bros for WiiU

[yani]

Ahhh, still cool nonetheless, thanks!

 

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@HF: That's an actual good point. I honestly don't think Alts will happen outside of Wario, but that's a good counter point if they do.

As a side note, I'd like for PT (whatever his name is) to get a different voice actor.

EDIT: Unless they pull a UMvC3. Thank god Sakurai isn't a troll like Capcom is.

 

[Kolorado]

Hmmm... If I'm being greedy with my bosses, I'd put it in that category. There would have to be some really clever way to beat him, just like in Pikmin.

I suppose it really depends on the scope of the Story Mode this time around. Myself, I'd like to see a huge, mind-blowingly long and complex story mode (SSE was nice, but had a lot of room for improvement), and I don't think it's too unrealistic to think that we could get one. If that's the case, then maybe Waterwraith as a kind of mini/midlevel boss?

Perhaps a stage hazard, too. One of my Pikmin stage concepts is a Castle Siege-esque trip down several underground levels (a-la Pikmin 2), where the floor falls out from under the players until they reach the bottom, then the geyser takes them back to the top. The Waterwraith would be an excellent stage hazard for that concept.

He needs to get a cameo in some way shape or form, other than a regular ol' trophy. Dat cry...

I wonder what they will do for Story Mode this time around? I loved the SSE, just because it was the first "real" story mode. But yes, it could use improvement. Personally, I would love to see a "Council of Nintendo Villains" or something like that. Similar to the Final Fantasy villains in Dissidia, the Disney villains in Kingdom Hearts, or the multitude of Villain groups form Marvel and DC comics.

The only problem is the insistance that the characters in Smash Bros are just dolls or trophys. Supposedly they did it that way because of some comments by Miyamoto that the different Nintendo worlds are not supposed to cross over, but come on. Why can we not have some merging of realities? They do it in comics all the time. This whole "World of Trophies" thing is BS.

On a side note, I wonder if we will ever get dialogue? Aside from Snake.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

PT's actor is trash? Then he must be Ash, not Red.

Also, yeah, it'd be great if he did. Note how every Pokemon character is not a beyond specific version anyway. Not even Mewtwo. They're all generic so they can work with them as much as possible.

 

[Deleted member]

I typically call PT Red simply because he's the 1st Gen Trainer.

Sakurai also referred to him as "Satoshi" in the pre-Melee polls (It's not Satoshi/Ash from the anime, as he puts "(main protagonist)" after it, implying it's the R/G Trainer, as Satoshi was another name that he could be given by default, and that was prior to the anime's existance)

 

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PT's actor is trash? Then he must be Ash, not Red.

I like that point.

 

[grizby2]

@HF: That's an actual good point. I honestly don't think Alts will happen outside of Wario, but that's a good counter point if they do.

As a side note, I'd like for PT (whatever his name is) to get a different voice actor.

EDIT: Unless they pull a UMvC3. Thank god Sakurai isn't a troll like Capcom is.

a new voice actor? thats easy..

GILBERT GOTTFRIED.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I like that point.

Thank you, thank you.

@GY: My problem with that is that PT's Pokemon use non-1st Gen moves. Which makes me believe he's at best a 3rd Gen Trainer using 1st Gen POKEMON, but not their moves.

 

[grizby2]

On a side note, I wonder if we will ever get dialogue? Aside from Snake.

maybe a narration from the announcer? :o

 

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maybe a narration from the announcer? :o

Nah, we don't want Smash to turn weird like Soul Calibur.

 

[Deleted member]

Thank you, thank you.

@GY: My problem with that is that PT's Pokemon use non-1st Gen moves. Which makes me believe he's at best a 3rd Gen Trainer using 1st Gen POKEMON, but not their moves.

Mewtwo and Jigglypuff use 2nd Gen moves. I guess they're 2nd Gen reps.

 

[Big-Cat]

Maybe the Nintendo characters will get meters when they release Capcom vs Nintendo. But no X-Factor. And definitley no Pandora Mode! Gems however...

Why no meter in Smash 4?

And Pandora Mode's honestly not that bad. It's no where near X-Factor.

 

[grizby2]

Nah, we don't want Smash to turn weird like Soul Calibur.

i suppose, unreal tournament though....




as for the story mode bosses, i would like them to be based more from the games that the characters come from.
serious bosses like 02 from kirby or giygas (ok, maybe not giygas..)
or at least give us more info about master/crazy hand/ tabuu.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Mewtwo and Jigglypuff use 2nd Gen moves. I guess they're 2nd Gen reps.

Mewtwo didn't use that till Second Gen was out. Also, he's a DIRECT 1st Gen Pokemon.

You also misread. PT is from the 3rd Gen itself, albeit, from the 1st Gen Remakes, but he's in the 3rd Gen. He reps the first 3 gens through the moves yes. Lightly, mind you.

Jigglypuff started off pure first Gen, so that doesn't count. I'm talking about their first appearance.

 

[lordvaati]

also koopa/Bowser and Iceclimber(s).

...wait, did the mod's post just go poof?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Rock Smash is pretty damn 3rd gen to me... So is Bullet Seed.

 

[Linkshot]

and i found it odd that he had a lvl 81 pikachu, which is usually seen as his strongest pokemon (or at least then one that WOULD have the highest level.)

I think the third game of the set is usually considered the canon. It's why Red has all three starters, too.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I think the third game of the set is usually considered the canon. It's why Red has all three starters, too.

Except Yellow. It wasn't based directly upon Red/Blue/Green, just the Anime itself.

The rest, yep, definitely the canon version.

 

[victinivcreate1]

I was playing Melee when i realized this is why I love Marth and Roy

This theme does it all:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QvC3C7u0Ks

 

[Big-Cat]

I swear, the Pokemon discussion is worse than the Impa discussion, ESPECIALLY when we get to representation. The fact that I see Mewtwo and Jigglypuff being considered 2nd gen reps because they have a 2nd gen move or two is when things are just plain stupid.

I vote for one week of no Pokemon discussion.

 

[ToiseOfChoice]

I endorse the above post with the Dunning Smith Seal of Approval.

 

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@Kuma: Sure I'm for it. I've had my fill of Pokemon for a while.

But worse than the Impa stuff? Not even close.

 

[Big-Cat]

@Kuma: Sure I'm for it. I've had my fill of Pokemon for a while.

But worse than the Impa stuff? Not even close.

The Impa stuff was usually one type of stupidity. Pokemon discussion is worse because it goes into several different types of stupidity. I'd rather have a single stupid discussion than multiple ones relating to the same subject. Both are stupid, though, in that people are so concerned about the characters and not how they play. I know it's an easier discussion, but I see a lot of derp and not enough intellectual challenge, the main reason why I love gameplay discussions.

EDIT: Still thinking about that Ice Climbers vortex idea so the chain grab concept is kept, but balanced.

One more thing, I'm rather tired of people looking at specific aspect of a character instead of looking at the big picture. A character's playstyle is more than the sum of its parts.

 

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It's all subjective. I like Pokemon, but hate Zelda. So for me, Impa is much worse.

But since you're leading this protest on Pokemon talk, I'm guessing you have another topic in mind to you'd like to discuss?

BTW did you see my Little Mac moveset yet?

 

[Deleted member]

I swear, the Pokemon discussion is worse than the Impa discussion, ESPECIALLY when we get to representation. The fact that I see Mewtwo and Jigglypuff being considered 2nd gen reps because they have a 2nd gen move or two is when things are just plain stupid.

I vote for one week of no Pokemon discussion.

The fact you didn't tell I was being sarcastic when I said that they must be 2nd Gen reps for having 2nd Gen moves is just plain stupid.

I vote for one week of you having better reading comprehension.

I also vote for one week of no gameplay mechanics discussion, as THAT leads to opening another can of stupidity. Especially when the gameplay mechanics discussion ALWAYS lead to examples from Street Fighter, Marvel vs. Capcom, Tekken, and the like.

 

[Oasis_S]

I vote for one week of you having better reading comprehension.

Starphoenix?

I also vote for one week of no gameplay mechanics discussion, as THAT leads to opening another can of stupidity. Especially when the gameplay mechanics discussion ALWAYS lead to examples from Street Fighter, Marvel vs. Capcom, Tekken, and the like.

That reminds me, mechanics discussion doesn't make this thread any less crappy, it just makes it more boring crap.

 

[Big-Cat]

It's all subjective. I like Pokemon, but hate Zelda. So for me, Impa is much worse.

But since you're leading this protest on Pokemon talk, I'm guessing you have another topic in mind to you'd like to discuss?

This isn't so much speculation for what I'm suggesting, but more for the benefit of the posters in this thread.

What are the things that make Smash unique from other fighting games? If a new mechanic or ten were added to Smash, these mechanics would remind the audience that the game is still Smash at its core. I want to see these core mechanics/aspects identified.

Note, simplified inputs don't count.

@---
It was nice, but I think I might've been expecting chains or something from that moveset so I was a little underwhelmed. Good job on the specials though.

 

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I also vote for one week of no gameplay mechanics discussion, as THAT leads to opening another can of stupidity. Especially when the gameplay mechanics discussion ALWAYS lead to examples from Street Fighter, Marvel vs. Capcom, Tekken, and the like.

SmashChu?


Well once you all can decide what to talk about let me know. Later.

EDIT:@Kuma: I'm pretty sure I had at least one chain grab. I'll have to take another look.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Since the Not Talking About Impa Weeks its been Pokémon time non stop. And you Victini supporters take that over in no time. And then hate on me when I interrupt everyone going gay for Ghirahim.

 

[Oasis_S]

Let's replace all weeks with Ridley praise weeks.

 

[Deleted member]

That reminds me, mechanics discussion doesn't make this thread any less crappy, it just makes it more boring crap.

This. Let's talk about something interesting, like new stage gimmicks that would be chaotic and clearly banned from tournaments.

How about something like Brinstar Depths, but more extreme?
Final Frustration, anyone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuZm7Fz5QF8

Or maybe a new way to die other than a Ring-Out. SSE featured being crushed, so a Tetris stage like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukoMmTPHjlU&feature=related but with a feature that the blocks can crush you would be an interesting stage.

 

[Big-Cat]

EDIT:@Kuma: I'm pretty sure I had at least one chain grab. I'll have to take another look.

Oh yeah, I forgot, I'm not a fan of chain grabs. Now, if you could turn that into tech chasing then you'd be on to something.

By chains, though, I meant the FG type, not chain grabs which are different.

 

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Let's replace all weeks with Ridley praise weeks.

It's funny, but we never seem to talk about Ridley very much anymore. Maybe it's because we all just expect him so much? I'd be down for it.

@Kuma: I looked, the F-Throw I had was a chain grab.

EDIT: @Kuma2: Okay, I'll have to take a look into that stuff sometime. I'm not the most competitive player out there so I don't know too much about advanced tech.

 

[Big-Cat]

@Kuma: I looked, the F-Throw I had was a chain grab.

EDIT: @Kuma2: Okay, I'll have to take a look into that stuff sometime. I'm not the most competitive player out there so I don't know too much about advanced tech.

Remember, feel free to ask me any time.

Hey, did you ever think of anything to fix up Palutena's Orbs move? If not since the last discussion, might I suggest a 15 second time restriction between the disappearance of the last orb and the new set?

 

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Remember, feel free to ask me any time.

Hey, did you ever think of anything to fix up Palutena's Orbs move? If not since the last discussion, might I suggest a 15 second time restriction between the disappearance of the last orb and the new set?

I may be mixing up some of the attacks I came up for her so I'm not sure exactly which move you mean (N-Special or D-Special?), but I have been putting some thought into some more nerfs.

And thanks, if I come accross any advance tech questions, I'll definitely come to you first. It's become your niche around here anyway.

 

[LC-DDM]

This. Let's talk about something interesting, like new stage gimmicks that would be chaotic and clearly banned from tournaments.

How about something like Brinstar Depths, but more extreme?
Final Frustration, anyone? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NuZm7Fz5QF8

Or maybe a new way to die other than a Ring-Out. SSE featured being crushed, so a Tetris stage like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukoMmTPHjlU&feature=related but with a feature that the blocks can crush you would be an interesting stage.

Big Blue at higher speeds, no vehicles, only platforms, the road is a purplish rainbow, you're in space, and the theme is casino-ish.

I call it... Starlight Carnival. *shot*

 

[Aurane]

I swear, the Pokemon discussion is worse than the Impa discussion, ESPECIALLY when we get to representation. The fact that I see Mewtwo and Jigglypuff being considered 2nd gen reps because they have a 2nd gen move or two is when things are just plain stupid.

I vote for one week of no Pokemon discussion.

Mewtwo and Jiggz originate from the 1st generation. If that logic was true, then Pikachu reps the 4th generation -_-

I'd take on that vote, but it's hard for me to talk about anything else here Lol...

 

[Disfunkshunal]

^^^golden was being sarcastic when he said jiggs was 2nd gen

If we keep banning topics for a week we won't have anything to discuss >_> Is there any universally appreciated topic?

VVV that sounds fine to me although I'm not sure of that could be expanded on past I like that song/ I don't like that song but we'll see. Music discussion go go go

 

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If we keep banning topics for a week we won't have anything to discuss >_> Is there any universally appreciated topic?

"cough...music...cough."

 

[LC-DDM]

Dubstep versions of every song.