New Smash Bros for WiiU

[~ Valkyrie ~]

This, is a complete Smash. End of story.

70 characters.

Sucha a, true, TRUE words have never been spoken since birth of SSB-series itself. *applauds very loudly*

My only complaints are just the size because some wierd and unlikely additions, like

- Masked Man (Sorry for Mother 3-fans! But I think Porky's more fit because he's both Ness's and Lucas's nemesis)

- Mona (Screw Wario-ware reps! And Syrup and Mona wouldn't be in the same roster if Sakurai's gonna handle it: Mona'll be over Syrup then! (-ò~ó-)* )

- Dark Samus (I know it's NOT a clone of Samus, but then we'd expect Dark Pit to show up as well.)

- Tom Nook (Animal Crossing was ruled out by Sakurai...)

I also question the inclusion of Geno and Ghirahim, (Geno would be great, but Nintendo and Square are ignoring him way too much these days), Ghirahim again would be like another Midna/Zant/Vaati ( (-;^;-) )-type one-shot character. Even Impa with her own moveset and not replacing Sheik would seem more fitting since she's also one of some prominent LOZ-characters... unless Ghirahim will be picked up again for another LOZ-game.

But still, I'd give in my money for this roster that actually includes EVERY of my most wished characters.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Ike should get his actual Aether as an Up B. All hits connect? That means healing damage. And it would do a very good amount of damage.

Make his attacks come out faster, deal less knockback, maybe more damage (keeping the power aspect), good hitstun, but keep his lag behind his moves. Make him also dash a little faster, and replace ****ing Eruption already. Preferably with the ranged attack from his sword (we need a name for this) or, well, just about anything. If they refuse to do so... at least make his fire blue... As Path of Radiance was called Path of the Blue Flames in Japan. So yeah, blue fire. At least on his Final Smash.

I vote for version exclusives to. If Ike can make it that way, I'll be happy. Chrome could be the 3DS exclusive, as he's from a 3DS game.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Roster exclusives would be great, it'd make both versions more unique from each other. To make sure it won't become more of a major flaw, there should be few of these version exclusives, and if they're gonna do the whole 'connecting' between Wii U and 3DS-versions, they better give us an opportunity to transfer 3DS-exclusives to Wii U.

 

[ChronoBound]

I doubt Smash Bros. will ever hit 70 characters. The only fighting games that I can think of that reached that number was some of the PS2 DBZ fighting games and maybe a King of Fighters game, and in both of those cases there was the case of many of the characters being clones and the fact that the same game engine was simply re-used for years on end for annual installments.

Heck, fighting games reaching 50 is rare, and if they do hit it, its usually due to the game being an update over a previous installment that used the exact same engine as its predecessor.

At most I only see 52 or 53 playable characters (transformations included in that number) for Smash 4. I don't know what will happen with Smash 5, and I don't care.

Its possible that the roster size for Smash 4 remains relatively static compared to Brawl.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Which is why I think replacements are likely to, as to add in new characters. Getting my point now..??

 

[Dexident]

I want to see Lanky Kong in the cast, he'd be a great addition.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Lanky might happen if we get 150 characters I'm affraid...

He's still awesome though! Goofy *** dude needs to return as a staple character!

 

[ChronoBound]

Which is why I think replacements are likely to, as to add in new characters. Getting my point now..??

I rather have replacements happen with Smash 5. 52 or 53 is a feasible number for a game with an entirely new engine, and 12 true newcomers is an acceptable amount of newcomers for Smash 4.

 

[Diddy Kong]

12 true newcomers, with about 5 cuts for new characters is very acceptable for me to. In fact, might be the best thing ever!

And the longer you wait, the harder it is to replace characters.

True stroy bro.

 

[ChronoBound]

I don't want any cuts from Brawl. The only two cuts I would be okay with would be Snake and Sonic since they are technically "guests". Also, many of the possible "replacement" characters are a step down compared to who they will probably replace. I much rather have Lucario, Ike, and Sheik than Zoroark, Chome, and Impa, especially considering I like those characters more than their replacements.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I liked Mewtwo much more than Lucario as well. We all don't know if we gonna like Chrome or not, but thusfar he looks like another mercenary main character. Wouldn't be surprised if he actually had blood ties as a prince or royal, but chooses not to give a ****. Point is, we don't know yet. And I think you just listed most characters I would replace actually.

If your getting older, you'll prefer the older characters over the newer ones anyway. That's just the way it is

Spoiler

*sings* THINGS WILL NEVER CHANCE

. But really, I wouldn't be surprised if it happened at all.

I'm guessing we get less newcomers actually this time than with Brawl cause they are making 2 games. So about 50 characters seems realistic. And even that would be a lot I say...

 

[Metal Overlord]

I knew it, Diddy, your cut happy, aren't ya

 

[Big-Cat]

Here's some food for thought.

Pummeling: Should it be removed in favor of grabs doing more health damage? That's all the pummel is really for so it wouldn't make a difference mathematically. Going along with the tech grab mechanic, this could make grabs better balanced. Reminder: Smash 64 didn't have pummeling.

Freezing: Instead of being randomly occurring like the IC's Down B, make it a counter attack bonus. In addition, the time frame for being frozen is fixed regardless of damage dealt and is not escapable via button mashing.

 

[Diddy Kong]

YES! Kuma, love that idea! Grabbing attacks should be exanded! Especially would picture Donkey Kong having an awesome damaging grabbing attack as that. Don't like the game, but if you remember Jungle Beat, you'll basically know what I mean. Also the attacks the Kongs do in Returns could be implemented somewhat like that.

 

[Pichu Fan]

Hey, watcha talking bout?

Spoiler

Like my new signature?

 

[Diddy Kong]

Can't see it Pichu Bro.

I knew it, Diddy, your cut happy, aren't ya

Nope am not really. If you noticed me saying it before, I actually want Ike to stay. Same as Lucario. Mewtwo and Lucario, and Ike and Chrome would be really good to have, but just; unrealistic. You know which character I wanna replace... And it's the only one I would cut basically.

 

[Big-Cat]

YES! Kuma, love that idea! Grabbing attacks should be exanded! Especially would picture Donkey Kong having an awesome damaging grabbing attack as that. Don't like the game, but if you remember Jungle Beat, you'll basically know what I mean. Also the attacks the Kongs do in Returns could be implemented somewhat like that.

I'm kind of lost here. But I do think DK's Roll needs to be dash attack and jump cancelable on hit.

 

[Pichu Fan]

Ok, now look at my signature

 

[Metal Overlord]

Good then Diddy

And Pichu you have to quote someone's post in order for yo sig to show up for some stupid reason

 

[Pichu Fan]

Good then Diddy

And Pichu you have to quote someone's post in order for yo sig to show up for some stupid reason

Like this??

 

[Metal Overlord]

Yeah like that

At most, I see a 55 character roster including transformations

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

I at least want to see more true newcomers than in Brawl, get me?

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'm kind of lost here. But I do think DK's Roll needs to be dash attack and jump cancelable on hit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-h6tkgrBrQ

Around 0.15, but think of it as a grabbing attack.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYW_jFAqK2U

Here, around 2.05.

It basically gives you the idea of what I was thinking of. Especially the last video inspired me for that in DKCR.

 

[ChronoBound]

I wonder what the implications for speculation will be for Smash 5 if no one from Brawl is cut and Mewtwo and Roy are brought back.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Then I wouldn't guess for many new characters, just ones most requested as K.Rool, Ridley, Zoroark, Little Mac, Palutena / Medusa, and maybe Isaac and Mega Man. Add in another 3~4, and you'd have a roster.

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Chrono: MOAR CHARACTERS-talk, all sorts of debates on new characters, etc. Many won't be expecting cuts at all IMO.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I expect cuts. We got them before, why not now?

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

But if ya meant by Smash 4, then I'd say same as Diddy, Chrono. (-l-l-)

But it would be damn interesting to see what series Sakurai would feature this time...

Diddy: I know, "but who should be then cut?"

 

[Metal Overlord]

I don't expect cuts at all from the Nintendo side

 

[Diddy Kong]

I do. They can't keep on adding characters from big franchises as Zelda and Pokemon forever, and we got replacements and new characters for it in every game. Just like Fire Emblem.

So my best guesses, characters who will be cut and replaced come from those series.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Who says there'll even be another Smash game after this one to "add characters forever"

 

[ChronoBound]

Who says there'll even be another Smash game after this one to "add characters forever"

There will probably continue to be Smash Bros. games.

However, I am very nervous in regards to Smash 4. If Sakurai announces that Smash 4's roster will "be around the same size as Brawl's." There will be very violent fanbase wars due to even supporters of veteran characters feeling their character is threatened by less deserving characters.

 

[Big-Cat]

And I will facepalm in disgust.

 

[Diddy Kong]

There will probably continue to be Smash Bros. games.

However, I am very nervous in regards to Smash 4. If Sakurai announces that Smash 4's roster will "be around the same size as Brawl's." There will be very violent fanbase wars due to even supporters of veteran characters feeling their character is threatened by less deserving characters.

Examples being..?

 

[yani]

Not Sheik

 

[ChronoBound]

Examples being..?

Characters that I could see people feeling insecure in regards to if Sakurai said, "Smash 4's roster will be around the same size as Brawl's.":

Ness (many saying that only either him or Lucas should be in)
Jigglypuff
Ice Climbers
Sheik
Mr. Game & Watch (yes, there would be some idiots saying he's a waste of space under this scenario)
Falco
Pokemon Trainer (Charizard, Squirtle, Ivysaur)
Lucario
Toon Link
Wolf
Ike
Lucas
Snake
Sonic
ROB
Zero Suit Samus

There would be a lot of aggression by supporters of prospective newcomers because they would feel that possible spots on the roster would be extremely limited (especially if they share a similar series to a character that could possibly be cut under this scenario).

 

[Metal Overlord]

Dunno if this has been posted yet:

Nintendo considering Super Mario 3D Land, Mario Kart 7 DLC

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

Metal: Sounds quite promisimg, but no mention of SM3DL and MK7 DLC? Not interested much then...

 

[yani]

I really hope we get some MK7 DLC

 

[KrIsP!]

Ness (many saying that only either him or Lucas should be in)
Jigglypuff

64 vets will not be cut, Falco and ICs have no reason to be cut.
The only people I can see being cut are Lucas, Lucario and Ike in favor of newer characters and even then they could be put in either 3DS or Wii U versions.

I'd switch 'em out for Poo, Mewtwo and Hector(or Sothe...but that's my biased opinion)