TheFirstPoppyBro
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Impa over Sheik=unhappy Sheik fans. By your logic, Pichu should've replaced Pikachu because he was the more recent.If Zelda relevance did not mather explain me this:
Zelda characer of choice in N64: Ocarina of Time's Adult Link (despite the younger Link being more "important" to Sakurai)
Zelda characters of choice in Melee: Ocarina of Time's Adult Link, Young Link (also Majora's Mask), Zelda / Sheik and Ganondorf originally planned with a sword he didn't even use in Ocarina of Time but a DEMO of what was to be the next Zelda game (turned out to be Wind Waker)
Zelda characters of choice in Brawl: Twilight Princess' Link, Zelda, Ganondorf, an unused Sheik model given to Sakurai by the makers of TP, and Toon Link from the Wind Waker and Phantom Hourglass.
Only in Brawl it did not mather, it seems. But Brawl was lazy with Zelda characters, and you know it. And again, only Sheik stands in the way of propper representation.
All characters in Smash have a fanbase, heck even Pichu and Dr.Mario do. That's why we have a frequent poster called PICHU FAN here, and Shorty who wants a Dr.Mario revamp which I honestly doubt it gonna happen. Those 2 where easily the least deserving characters in Melee, and in Brawl, Sheik is the least deserving. Yet all 3 of these characters got their fanbases. Didn't stop them from cutting characters earlier, won't stop them from doing so now.
Besides, Sheik's moveset is 100% MADE UP. NOTHING that Sheik does in Melee and Brawl has she ever actually done in Zelda: Ocarina of Time (would like to bring up other titles, BUT I CAN'T AS SHE DOESN'T APPEAR IN THEM). The Needles, the Chain, even the transformation ; as Sheik was a change of clothes with an alternate NAME as for Zelda to hide herself, in just ONE instance. She actually did so, to avoid getting captured by Ganondorf. Well I don't want to spoil to much but: Skyward Sword has no Ganondorf for Zelda to hide herself from.
Impa also has far more fighting potential as shown in Skyward Sword, both off screen and on screen. I would elaborate, but Skyward Sword is a recent title, and yet have to finish it. Which of coarse makes me hold back in these sort of arguements a lot, which leads to people mis intrepretending them.
All of the other characters you mentioned, Ice Climbers, Pit, Mr.Game & Watch are from Nintendo RETRO franchises. As far I know, Zelda is still getting recent titles. Quite a lot actually, which makes even the most warranted characters from MY personal favorite series almost be considered retro <_< Namely Dixie Kong and King K.Rool.
Also to Pieman: I'd agree on the uniqueness of Zelda / Sheik if other characters as Zero Suit Samus and Pokemon Trainer where not added as new concepts. This, togheter with the more than rumoured planned Diddy and Dixie duo makes me believe the Zelda / Sheik combination is not the most unique thing at all, as is infact more than outdated.
Peach has the turpings as her Down B cause it's a throwback to the very first game she was playable in. But most people even suggested she should have more Super Princess Peach attacks pre-Brawl actually. But that doesn't mather, as Peach, unlike Zelda, is still the same person every time. Every Zelda game takes place in a whole different place and time, which was also discussed last page. :/
Also Mewtwo WAS unique. He's the only cut unique moveset from Brawl, with a massive popularity to boot. His seniority far outclasses Sheik, as does his popularity, importance, and appearances.
Zelda is as much "flavor of the month" as Pokemon and Fire Emblem are to a degree infact. Maybe less so, cause we (most of the time) have our 3 main characters: Link, Zelda and Ganon(dorf, not always). The rest of the serie's favorite characters are one offs, and even there Sheik fails to the likes of Midna, Skull Kid and Ghirahim easily. Now I wouldn't go as far as Sheik not being a better choice than THOSE, but only for Melee I would say that's true. Actually Skull Kid instead of Sheik in Melee, and Midna instead of Sheik in Brawl would easily be received just as well, if not better (sans the Skull Kid fans getting their character cut). Also, "flavor of the month" could also go to Toon Link for replacing Young Link, but you don't mention that because..?
Impa infact stands out, especially in Skyward Sword, as a re-occuring character getting a huge boost in story significance. It's like, Skull Kid coming back, and turns out to be the ACTUAL MAIN villian. If that where to happen, don't you think Skull Kid would be massively suggested?
I think so, but the fact is, Impa appeared before any other Zelda character of old got their "revival", even before Sheik, who was scrapped from Twilight Princess, and in the next major console game Skyward Sword: Impa took over any role Sheik would've been able to do. I'll avoid spoilers, but seeing as though I played through Skyward Sword twice since yesterday, why shouldn't you believe me on this? The fact she didn't appear in Melee was cause her most major role was in Skyward Sword obviously <_<
And to continue, I believe Impa will be more re-occuring now, and even if there was the be a next Smash Bros., she'd maybe be able to have her own spot instead of taking Sheik's. Perhaps theres an extremely slight chance Sheik herself would return in a next Zelda, but I don't think that will happen. Why? Cause she was a disguise for Zelda, and people would look through the plot hole right away. Impa therefore has much more going for her than given credit for, and I am just spreading the message, mainly cause I find the clinging to Sheik mostly unncececary, and mostly defended by people who don't even know the Zelda series so well.
BTW, characters with made up movesets:
Luigi(minus Neutral B)
Peach(minus Down B)
Bowser(minus Neutral B and Down B)
DK(minus Down B)
Wario
Zelda
Sheik
Ganondorf
Ice Climbers
ROB
Meta Knight
Olimar(minus Neutral, Side, and Down B)
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Captain Falcon
Pikachu(minus Down B)
Lucario(minus Neutral B)
Ness(minus Neutral and Down B)
Lucas(minus Down B)
Mr. Game and Watch
Yeah. I don't think original movesets are a problem.
