New Smash Bros for WiiU

[ChronoBound]

Sigh.

No.

Sheik. Is. Not. More. Deserving. Than. Impa.

Quite the opposition.

Played SS?

A lot more people know about and like Sheik than Impa. Sheik is an integral part of Smash Zelda. Heck, Sheik was unveiled before Zelda was (the only four newcomers shown for Melee's unveil were Bowser, Sheik, Peach, and Ice Climbers). Zelda was not shown until close to Melee's release.

There is also how Ocarina of Time 3D has made Zelda fans remember the character, and how much of a success Ocarina of Time 3D was (it was the highest selling game for the 3DS until the release of Mario Kart 7 and Super Mario 3D Land). So Sheik still has relevance.

Also, Dr. Mario is actually quite important when you consider that Dr. Mario is Nintendo's biggest puzzle series next to Panel de Pon.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'd be cool with that. Cause most likely Mewtwo won't be in Smash 5 either. Assuming he makes it in 4, that's also 2 roles in Smash.

I don't know why they should hold dear to Sheik so long if she isn't important at all.

Why does everyone forget Impa was there from the beginning of Zelda? She was even Sheiks FREAKING MENTOR / TEACHER IN OOT. How is Sheik better known? Only via Smash perhaps and her Top Tier position o. Melee.

 

[Metal Overlord]

This argument is balls. Sheik is a Smash veteran, she isn't going anywhere, she isn't getting replaced. Period. End of story. Deal with it

 

[Oasis_S]

Should it matter so much how important she is? She's already in Smash, and PEOPLE LIKE HER despite being unimportant.

 

[nLiM8d]

As tribute to the doc, I say add more Panel de Pon.

 

[ChronoBound]

Should it matter so much how important she is? She's already in Smash, and PEOPLE LIKE HER despite being unimportant.

Ding ding ding. We have a winner.

Ditto with Metal Overlord's comment.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Dr.Mario was liked in Melee to. Should he return?

 

[Metal Overlord]

Difference is Sheik actually adds something unique to Smash unlike Dr. Mario.

 

[ChronoBound]

Dr.Mario was liked in Melee to. Should he return?

Dr. Mario was perhaps one of the least popular newcomers in Melee (the least popular was Pichu). However, despite this, Dr. Mario was still considered for Brawl.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Difference is Sheik actually adds something to Smash unlike Dr. Mario.

Her playstyle yes, what's wrong with Impa taking ocer that playstyle?

Especially since she actually had a role?

 

[SmashChu]

Also, Dr. Mario is actually quite important when you consider that Dr. Mario is Nintendo's biggest puzzle series next to Panel de Pon.

On Dr. Mario, one thing that is interesting about the series is characters sometimes are identified by the series. I think Dr. Mario is important in that he is one of the quirks of Smash. See him (and others, Sheik included) as Smash characters.

And I would love to see him back BTW.

 

[Diddy Kong]

On Dr. Mario, one thing that is interesting about the series is characters sometimes are identified by the series. I think Dr. Mario is important in that he is one of the quirks of Smash. See him (and others, Sheik included) as Smash characters.

And I would love to see him back BTW.

As an alternate costume he'd be perfect. Same as a Sheik costume for Impa. Or DCL if they must. Roy, Pichu, y.Link, Lucario, Ike.. whoever, to

Or at the very least (comprised) Sheik for 3DS Impa for Wii U.

 

[SmashChu]

As an alternate costume he'd be perfect. Same as a Sheik costume for Impa. Or DCL if they must.

Or at the very least (comprised) Sheik for 3DS Impa for Wii U.

I think your missing my point.

 

[Aurane]

As an alternate costume he'd be perfect. Same as a Sheik costume for Impa. Or DCL if they must.

Or at the very least (comprised) Sheik for 3DS Impa for Wii U.

Once again, relevance and popularity drive Smash Bros. Nothing else. What affects one group will affect their position in Smash, or none at all. Impa<Shiek, for example, because the Fan's word is more important than anything. In otherwords, Relevance<Popularity.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I think your missing my point.

Everyone misses mine all the time.

Not complaining either.

Who says Impa is not popular? She's only heavily overshadowes by Ghirahim

 

[Aurane]

Everyone misses mine all the time.

Not complaining either.

Who says Impa is not popular? She's only heavily overshadowes by Ghirahim

This.
I haven't played SS, but from what I hear not only here, but elsewhere, Ghirahim is very popular, moreso than Impa.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Difference is Sheik actually adds something to Smash unlike Dr. Mario.

Her playstyle yes, what's wrong with Impa taking ocer that playstyle?

Especially since she actually had a role?

Nothing's wrong with it. But that's besides the point. I'm not saying I'm against it (which I'm not), I'm saying it most likely won't happen.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Nothing's wrong with it. But that's besides the point. I'm not saying I'm against it (which I'm not), I'm saying it most likely won't happen.

Then why are Roy, Mewtwo and Young Link gone from Brawl, and their playstyles are brought over to Ike, Lucario and Toon Link? With tweaks of coarse. But similarity is definitely there.

All I'm saying is; its the playSTYLE that makes the character worthy. Not the character. If the playstyle of Sheik is transferred to Impa I'm VERY sure people wouldn't complain as much as tge cut of Roy and Mewtwo. And its imo the only way (besides an enormous Ganon revamp) that the Zelda roster gets freshed up.

Just saying

 

[---]

Can we please stop this dumb arguement (it's not even close to a debate) and move on.

Relevance does not matter, Sheik is not going anywhere, Impa (SS) shall be a Trophy/AT/Alt, and Ghirahim is still fabulous.

I have spoken all that needs to be said about this arguement.

 

[Aurane]

Can we please stop this dumb arguement (it's not even close to a debate) and move on.

Relevance does not matter, Sheik is not going anywhere, Impa (SS) shall be a Trophy/AT/Alt, and Ghirahim is still fabulous.

I have spoken all that needs to be said about this arguement.

The only reason why Sheik is possible is because of her his appearence in Brawl. She He was never seen sense in any other game, besides THE most popular LoZ game. She's that questionable acceptance in relevance. Once again, Roy<Ike, Lucario>Mewtwo. Whether you like it or not, Mewtwo was ridded for room.

Tbh, this conversation does suck, as well as the entire day's worth of squaking.

BTW I sensed a little Sakurai coming off...

 

[Oasis_S]

If we were given alternate costumes, it'd be neat if Link, Zelda, Sheik, and Ganondorf all had their OoT outfits.

Not that there is an issue that needs resolving, but a move like that would at least at add a bit of... sense? To any design choices they might make.

"Eh? Sheik and Ganondorf weren't in Skyward Sword, what are they doing with these new designs (JUST PLAY WITH THE ASSUMPTION HERE). Oh. OOOH. I get it."

It's not like they would go unappreciated either.

 

[ChronoBound]

And I would love to see him back BTW.

I would like to see Pichu back too even. Young Link to me was replaced by Toon Link (who is more of a deformed different styled version of Young Link than a new character).

Really, considering that we only get one Smash Bros. game ever six years or so, why can't they just take their time to bring back all of the characters from the previous installment?

 

[~ Valkyrie ~]

"Eh? Sheik and Ganondorf weren't in Skyward Sword, what are they doing with these new designs (JUST PLAY WITH THE ASSUMPTION HERE). Oh. OOOH. I get it."

And this is why I'm wondering how would they handle Shiek (And in lesser extent, Ganondorf) in SSB4. And how long it will go on...

 

[Opelucid]

And this is why I'm wondering how would they handle Shiek (And in lesser extent, Ganondorf) in SSB4. And how long it will go on...

They could just give Ganondorf his Ocarina of Time design back or they could just give him an updated design like Sheik in Brawl.

 

[Pichu Fan]

Man, why do you have to cut characters nintendo? i can see that young link was replaced by toon link, and dr mario could easily become an alternate costume, but mewtwo roy and pichu? those 3 where amazing! (pichu kicked ***, i dont care about the stupid tier list)

-For ganandorfs and sheiks design they can just give them their Ocarina Of Time 3D designs. Its no biggie.

 

[Zzuxon]

They aren't keeping sheik because they think she should be in, they're keeping her to make Zelda unique. that's why Sheik isn't going anywhere. Though I do like the idea of Impa, she's the most recurring character not in smash besides Tingle. Are there any other than Zelda 2, OoT and SS?

 

[Pichu Fan]

I see alot of people have the idea of removing wolf lately.

 

[Oasis_S]

They aren't keeping sheik because they think she should be in, they're keeping her to make Zelda unique. that's why Sheik isn't going anywhere. Though I do like the idea of Impa, she's the most recurring character not in smash besides Tingle. Are there any other than Zelda 2, OoT and SS?

To be fair, Impa could still function in the same manner as Sheik. Zelda just magics herself away, and Impa appears in a burst of smoke. As her protector, it makes sense she would always be ready to fight on Zelda's behalf. OR SOMETHING.

 

[Bowserlick]

I'd be cool with that. Cause most likely Mewtwo won't be in Smash 5 either. Assuming he makes it in 4, that's also 2 roles in Smash.

I don't know why they should hold dear to Sheik so long if she isn't important at all.

Why does everyone forget Impa was there from the beginning of Zelda? She was even Sheiks FREAKING MENTOR / TEACHER IN OOT. How is Sheik better known? Only via Smash perhaps and her Top Tier position o. Melee.

In terms of the Smash franchise, Sheik is important. She represents the wisdom aspect of the triforce. Zelda has two forms, meaning in theory, she should be good at adapting to her combat environment/proponents.

However, if Sakurai decides to remove the transformation aspect then it makes sense for Impa to take Sheik's moveset and be her own character.

 

[AetherEch0s]

Idk why we are even discussing this. If any changes occur to the Zelda roster it'll be Zelda Wii U model swaps for Link/Zelda/Ganondorf and Ghirahim replacing Toon Link. There shouldn't even be discussions over Impa because despite her "importance" in Skyward Sword and the entire series, her popularity still hasn't peaked enough to even surpass others in the same game. I also think Brawl was Tingle's last shot. He hasn't had a game in quite a while, and unless he cameos in the next Zelda game or gets a new game of his own he probably wont make it. Ghirahim is already just as popular and requested from what i've seen. Just imagine if he appears in another game much as Vaati did. He was a "one shot villain" too. But then again, he isn't in Smash yet either lol

 

[Deleted member]

If we are getting changes for Zelda, why not just add Ghirahim/Tingle and call it a day? We don't need more franchises changing characters all the time when Fire Emblem and Pokemon are already at risk at being a "cyclical" franchise.

Really, considering that we only get one Smash Bros. game ever six years or so, why can't they just take their time to bring back all of the characters from the previous installment?

That would be nice. Smash is about celebrating Nintendo history, not which one has the nicest move set potentials.

 

[yani_]

Question: Howcome lots of people want to see Captain Falcon vs Viewtiful Joe? I've never played his games so I'm curious. Is he similar to Falcon or something?

 

[Arcadenik]

Impa should still be in instead of Sheik though. Could you guys supporting Sheik even come to the point of meeting her in OoT when it was released I wonder?? All I'm guessing is that you want her cause she was on Smash, nothing more. :/ why is modernisation bad?

I'll even say it now; Ocarina of Time wasn't even THAT great. Zelda Wii U better be a lot better than it if the series want to survive another decade. Especially consideribg how long they took with SS.

First paragraph... yes, that's pretty much the reason why people want Sheik.

Second paragraph... Majora's Mask is the greatest.

 

[AetherEch0s]

Question: Howcome lots of people want to see Captain Falcon vs Viewtiful Joe? I've never played his games so I'm curious. Is he similar to Falcon or something?

Not too similar. Joe uses a time-freezing move for the most part. Theres not too many similarities at all other than the visor with eyespots.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Question: Howcome lots of people want to see Captain Falcon vs Viewtiful Joe? I've never played his games so I'm curious. Is he similar to Falcon or something?

They're both based upon superheroes with flashy colors and flashy moves.

As for Sheik, honestly, OOT is a masterpiece in itself. It's immensely popular to this day. Sheik is very notable in it. Sheik is also a veteran in Smash, and to be honest, she won't be taken out for what would be... a clone of her. It's a bit late to put in a new Sheikah. If it was in Brawl, it would've made sense, but it's rather late to suddenly drop her for a lesser character.

 

[Arcadenik]

This post shows how much Smash 4 has riding on it. A game I would daresay, pretty much can make or break the Nintendo core community.This. I think this explains well as to why Little Mac, K. Rool, Ridley, Mewtwo, and Mega Man are so highly requested.I would be furious! Outraged! Sick with anger!

Notice how the majority of characters already in Smash debuted in the 1980's and 1990's? Only those who debuted in the 21st century are Roy, Olimar, Ike, Lucas, Toon Link, and Lucario. Zero Suit Samus doesn't count because she's simply the updated version of the "Justin Bailey" Samus on the NES. Pichu also doesn't count because it debuted in 1999 in Japan even though it debuted in 2000 in the West.

Is Ghirahim's quote now a meme or something?

 

[SmashChu]

Everyone misses mine all the time.

Not complaining either.

The difference is yours is misinformed. Let me put it this way....

As an alternate costume he'd be perfect. Same as a Sheik costume for Impa. Or DCL if they must. Roy, Pichu, y.Link, Lucario, Ike.. whoever, to

Or at the very least (comprised) Sheik for 3DS Impa for Wii U.

Your trying to look at the series the wrong way. You aren't thinking about the depth of it but just what other kids say on the internet. "Dr. Mario is unimportant. He should be a costume." Smash is not a game of costumes nor is it a game of who is important. It's Smash Brothers. Yes, the series is a celebration of Nintendo, but rather than look at the surface, it looks at everything. It scavenges the history books of Nintendo. Ness isn't important, but there he is. Ice Climbers were long forgotten and there they are. And what about Mr. Game and Watch. Part of the charm is adding these characters who don't always fit the convention. One of the reasons Smash is so memorable is because it likes to break the wall of additions. It doesn't make a boring roster.

Dr. Mario is a character, not a costume. In the same vein, having Impa replace Zelda, even though it may be the same, just isn't the same. Someone said that characters like Roy have carried over with Ike. But the results say they are not the same.

The problem a lot of people have here is they ignore the charm of Smash. It's that little something that makes everything work out and turns the roster and characters into something extraordinary.

 

[Arcadenik]

Ninten and Ness look exactly the same. Are people going to be upset when they give us a character who looks exactly like Ness but is named Ninten and while the character who looks like Ness who is named Ness is not playable? Yes, even if Sakurai decides to keep Ness but renames him Ninten, fans are going to be upset and hate Ninten for replacing Ness.

 

[Opelucid]

Ninten and Ness look exactly the same. Are people going to be upset when they give us a character who looks exactly like Ness but is named Ninten and while the character who looks like Ness who is named Ness is not playable? Yes, even if Sakurai decides to keep Ness but renames him Ninten, fans are going to be upset and hate Ninten for replacing Ness.

But most fans want Ness to be cut... I'm not one of them but I've seen a lot of people that want Ness to be cut. Anyway Ninten shouldn't get in if we get a new Earthbound rep which we won't it should be either Porky or Masked Man. If we get Ninten I'll be...

 

[yani_]

Thanks for the answers Aether and Hyper!