New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Zap tackle]

I'm not sure how many people actually view Princess Peach as a "war ready" character; however, she still made it into Smash Bros., and she still manages to fit in well as a fighter even though her nature in the Mario games is as a sweet and graceful princess. It's almost as though she would not even hurt anyone in the Mario games; however, it is all very different in Smash Bros.. There were a few exceptions for Peach's case of being playable; however, this can also apply to Toad as well.

Toad with the same knowledge is capable of fighting. He is not a character one could classify as a true peaceful character (like the Animal Crosser) as Toad has had some fighting experience. Whenever he needs to fight, he seems to be able to do so. In NSMB Wii, we saw even saw Toad having more action than Peach herself. If he can fight before, then Toad can fight in Smash Bros. (just like Peach, Zelda, ROB, and a few others).

 

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@Chrono: How long is that game anyway?

@Toad: There is no true proof yet about Sakurai thinking Toad can't fight, so there is no need to argue a rumor.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Chronobound: Can the 3DS even handle FFVII? Not that I'd be against it, honestly. But then again, without most of the FMV's(which I'd take a scrolling-through-dialogue version instead) myself, it'd easily fit.

@Zap Tap: Peach fought in Super Mario RPG. She clearly can fight like a Princess and also had a move from Super Mario Bros. 2 USA.

As for Toad, I honestly don't remember anything beyond him literally fighting(in a Nintendo-made game) beyond SMB2USA. Admittably, he does have some stuff in other games. I'm still not counting New Super Mario Bros. Wii is that was two different Toads, and not the main Toad regardless. Not that he can't take notes, but the main Toad's mainly been shown fighting in the SMB Cartoon. Then again, the only time that Zelda fought was in the Cartoon and the CD-I games, so any inspiration would work anyway. Not to say moves specifically from there should be taken, but it proves they can be made to fight.

Peach was also later playable in Super Princess Peach and Super Paper Mario. She can fight, just like any other character can be made for it.

 

[ChronoBound]

@Chrono: How long is that game anyway?

Its not long at all. It just that I have so little time to actually sit down and play games lately. I am towards the end on Extra Mode.

Also, its looking increasingly like Mario Kart 7 will not not have Waluigi, and that its roster will consist of the 17 characters we already know.

I am still curious though about Fortune Street's possible hidden characters. Well we will find out about both of these things by the end of next week at the latest.

To HyperFalcon, you are forgetting Wario's Woods (one of the best puzzle games ever, personally its my favorite puzzle game of all time).

 

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@Chrono: Sounds like fun.

As for Mario Kart, I read an article the other day that stated that Nintendo had MK7 as their main priority as they absolutely needed it for the holiday season, so much of the game was rushed.


@Toad: I re-looked at what Johnknight, the origin of the rumor, stated. It's more about what kind of moveset Toad would have, not whether or not he could fight or not. So...


EDIT: Here's a link to the MK7 article.

I have class now. Later.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@ChronoBound: According to a Nintendo Power Article(I think it was an interview), one of the employees stated Waluigi fans would be disappointed.

Also, does Toad literally FIGHT in Wario's Woods? I did not say Star in. I know that's the main Toad, same with Super Mario Bros. 2 USA. I was talking about him actually fighting. I totally think he's deserving, albeit, more than any other Mario character.(but let's leave deserving alone for a bit, since that's too damn subjective anyway, and what we say really doesn't prove a thing)

 

[SparkJavelin]

http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=167062

Apparently, there is a rumor going around that the 3DS will get a port/remake of a seventh iteration of a popular JRPG franchise. This means either Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy. I am personally leaning toward Dragon Quest considering how many remakes, spinoffs, and main numbered titles have been on Nintendo consoles. However, if it did somehow ended up being FFVII, then here comes the Cloud for Smash 4 brigade.

it couldn't be Final Fantasy VII... Tetsuya Nomura is too busy with Versus XIII and Dream Drop Distance AND will be entering KHIII. I doubt they will get another art director with the right vision... plus, the fan demand is for an HD remake.

It can only be Dragon Warrior VII... If I had to guess, they will follow up with Dragon Quest VIII... DWVII and DQVIII are the only ones not on a Nintendo system.

~just as well, the Dragon Quest series is more of a Nintendo game, right?

 

[Zap tackle]

@HyperFalcon:

We all know that there are two Toads in NSMB Wii, but Toad can easily rep the two of them as well. It's not like this has happened before with Yoshi taking the flying ability from Blue Yoshi from SMW for a final smash. As a result, they do still fall under Toad's fighting experience as the Toads from NSMB Wii have them fighting in the same way (otherwise we would have got differentiated Toad characters). Whatever they can do, Toad can do since he is the singular rep (just like the Pokemon characters, ROB, G&W, and Yoshi towards their species). Japan still sees NSMB Wii's heroes as Mario, Luigi, and Toad/Kinopio, so we should too.

Also Toad did indeed fight in Wario's Woods if you have seen the game properly. He was literally blowing up the woodland creatures, mini-bosses and Wario himself with the bomb showers. Additionally, his strength comes to play here as well. Kicking, running up walls, etc.. There were more abilities he had in the SNES version; however, just keep in mind that Toad did definitely fight in Wario's Woods. This was what made Wario's Woods so unique as a puzzle game. Actual fighting (done by Toad himself).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@Zap Tap: You misunderstood my point about New Super Mario Bros. Wii. All three are different characters and people. I didn't say he shouldn't take notes from them, though.

Also, I never got far in Wario's Woods, which is why I was asking if he fought in there. No need to be snippy about it.

 

[Arcadenik]

I still have not seen anyone actually link to this purported statement by Sakurai stating that Toad can't fight (of which is obviously not true).

On a sidenote, I am still playing through Kirby's Return to Greatness.

Edit:
http://gonintendo.com/?mode=viewstory&id=167062

Apparently, there is a rumor going around that the 3DS will get a port/remake of a seventh iteration of a popular JRPG franchise. This means either Dragon Quest or Final Fantasy. I am personally leaning toward Dragon Quest considering how many remakes, spinoffs, and main numbered titles have been on Nintendo consoles. However, if it did somehow ended up being FFVII, then here comes the Cloud for Smash 4 brigade.

Personally I think it is Final Fantasy VII. It's SquareEnix's answer to Ocarina of Time in the late 90's. I'd rather get Dragon Quest VIII instead because it was my first and only Dragon Quest game I ever played and I can't get enough of Yangus.

About Toad, I really hope he makes the cut this time. I would be 100% satisfied with the Mario series if it had Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, AND Toad... plus Yoshi, Wario, and Donkey Kong. Mario Big Eight for the win!

 

[Zap tackle]

@HyperFalcon

Sorry if I was sounding like that to you. Additionally, I guess it was my experience of playing Wario's Woods that made me feel surprised about the question of whether Toad fights or not in this game that made me write it out as so.

 

[Diddy Kong]

^ This guy is going of a construction site. Preperations are made as we speak...

EDIT: Talking about Arcadenik here.

 

[Deleted member]

Ugh. Please let that 3DS announcement be Dragon Quest VII. Cloud is one of the last major third-party characters we need in Smash.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@HyperFalcon

Sorry if I was sounding like that to you. Additionally, I guess it was my experience of playing Wario's Woods that made me feel surprised about the question of whether Toad fights or not in this game that made me write it out as so.

Yeah, to say the least, you shouldn't be surprised at stuff like that. It's a bit of a harder game to find than the typical ones, soooo...

Also, Donkey Kong isn't a Mario character, dangit. He's not among the Mario Big Eight. There's only 7.

 

[Shorts]

About Toad, I really hope he makes the cut this time. I would be 100% satisfied with the Mario series if it had Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, AND Toad... plus Yoshi, Wario, and Donkey Kong. Mario Big Eight for the win!

You know the big eight has been expanded to house Daisy, Waluigi and Junior right?

 

[SparkJavelin]

~what's so big about it anyways? Isn't it just something they say so there is an emphasis on whatever it is they want?

 

[Oasis_S]

We need Takamaru to complete the FDS Four. Link, Takamaru, Samus, Pit! Where would the Famicom Disk System be without them.

 

[augustoflores]

what? no Disk-kun?

 

[Oasis_S]

No one cares about Disk-kun.

 

[Deleted member]

@Arcadenik: More Ocarina of Time is Nintendo's answer to FFVII.

@Oasis_S: I care for him.

 

[Oasis_S]

@Oasis_S: I care for him.

Look at this guy. What a loser.

 

[Shorts]

@Oasis_S: I care for him.

Oasis, SOMEONE CARES FOR YOU o3o



kiss him kiss him kiss him kiss him~

 

[SmashChu]

I find it easier. Plus, it's the same thing. There are actually such things as diagonal attacks you know?

You barely use it. I only saw it once that post and sometimes never. Might as well not use it.

Falcon Punch was seriously underused. What's the use of of it in a 1 on 1. Though that is a point that helps you with the whole 4-man fight

1v1 is a different mode. When you change the rules, some moves with vary. No reason to change the whole dang thing for 1v1.

Since when was moving the analog at a 3--- >,v direction hard? I mean... It's just diagonal direction right? It's pretty much like that in smash attacks.

Never said it was hard. You actually just never do it in Smash. Having a lot of trouble thinking of a character that would. Link's boomerang is the only one that comes to mind. And you wouldn't be able to say 9,6,3 because the move uses the spaces in between.

LISTEN. Since when was holding B or something so difficult? I mean... It's not like Kuma's suggestion where in you add all those light, medium and heavy attacks.

Again, never said it was hard. It defeats the purpose of the move. It was not made to be chargeable oppose to other moves in Smash.

It's just for fun since I usually have nothing to do fun.

That's cool. Of course, that also means I can do what I'm doing now.

 

[Oasis_S]

Oasis, SOMEONE CARES FOR YOU o3o



kiss him kiss him kiss him kiss him~

"There is only a 53.8% chance that I find Oasis attractive. I only kiss those with 70% or higher."

 

[SmashChu]

You say simple, yet why do people constantly refer to Smash easy to learn, hard to master? Surely, the game's not the simple. If a game was so simple, a game like Melee would still not be played ten years after its released.

Why are these ideas so bad? Do you just not like them? Could you at least consider why we want these ideas? The Falcon Punch, while cool and all, is rather impractical because it takes forever to come out. At least the charge option allows you to use it more often.

By the way, I still want to know what's Smash logic, "Street Fighter" logic, and the differences between the two that doesn't involve perceived difficulty.

"Easy to learn, hard to master," means nothing. Take Super Mario Bros. Mario only really moves left to right, jumps, and sometimes shoots fire balls. It's very easy to control Mario. But the game gets difficult. In that sense, it's "Easy to learn, hard to master." Sonic only uses one button and the D-Pad. It's an easier game than Mario, but a lot of people have found ways to build speed and momentum. Thus, it's "Easy to learn, hard to master." Kirby is a very easy game, but that is "Easy to learn, hard to master," because you can master the powers and you only get them at certain points.

What I'm saying is that I can apply it to everything unless

1. The game is not easy to play (Not X vs Capcom)
2. Has no "mastery," (point and click games, Heavy Rain)

What you think it is is that the game starts easy and then piles a lot of other crap on. TThat's not it at all. It's just describing the fact that the game has a simplistic play but still requires skill. This is the basics of action videogames. This is what made Nintendo dominate in the 80s. What you and others are using "Easy to learn, hard to master," for is to remove the simplicity and then say "NO NO. We aren't doing that. Look. You still only use 3 buttons." All the while, ignoring the fact that there is unnecessary garbage bogging down the game.

There is a reason "Keep it simple stupid," exist. It's because there is no reason to over complicate stuff. The Falcon Punch works fine by pressing B and OH BOY, he does a punch. No need to make it some charge thing. Same goes with the worse Raptor Punch.

The reason that we have this huge thread about Smash Brothers is because the games are popular. That is a result of the games staying simple. There is nothing arbitrary that doesn't need to be there.

EDIT:Oasis is on a role today!

 

[Deleted member]

Oasis, SOMEONE CARES FOR YOU o3o

Was referring to Diskun.

 

[SupaJuice]

So........ has megaman been discussed yet?

 

[Deleted member]

@SupaJuice: Plenty of times. Probably the one we talk about the most in regards to 3rd party characters.

 

[SupaJuice]

Haha. I figured, he is the one I've been waiting for.

 

[Whazzat?]

I just thought of a great idea. So Remember how every smash bros game Nintendo added something new to the gameplay? With melee it was side-b moves and in brawl there were multiple things. So fro smash bros 4 what about Smash-B moves??

That would add alot of new moves to each character and make the game even deeper. What do you think?

 

[Diddy Kong]

One thing about brawl that was awesome was more super armor frames. Falcon Punch would be much better if it had so me super armor close to before the bird comes out (not good with frames). It must however be slow enough for Falcon to say the whole Falcon Punch with the drama as we know it. What else is the point of the move if its not 'almost' cinematic?

 

[Conviction]

So wait, you want B Tilts and B smashes?

Hmmmmmmmmmm.........................

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I can dig it. It wouldn't take much adjusting and in a simple way it adds gameplay depth. Along with this we should add sliding and air dashing.

 

[Whazzat?]

So wait, you want B Tilts and B smashes?

Hmmmmmmmmmm.........................

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I can dig it. It wouldn't take much adjusting and in a simple way it adds gameplay depth. Along with this we should add sliding and air dashing.

Yeahh why not ? I could see it happening easily. It would be sickkk

 

[Conviction]

Anything that can potentially add gameplay depth (in turn making the competitive scene more enjoyable) I'll work with.

 

[Whazzat?]

Same here. I just wonder what theyre gonna do once they see sonys smash bros type game.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I'm all for more debt, was since the beginning. Smash is still a fighting game, so combos imo should be more natural and smooth. All for more character uniqueness debt as well

 

[Conviction]

I actually hope Sony's Smash Bros is well received!

So well received that it looks like competition for Super Smash Bros. Maybe it will be an extra drive to make Smash even better than it was going to be, competiton makes us all better.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Somehow, as long as it doesn't look like an exact clone game. Keep them with their own ideas. People will compare anyways.

 

[TheBluAssassin]

When I play Pokemon and make animals fight each other for money like Michael Vick, I like to play with my Pokeballs.

 

[Whazzat?]

I actually hope Sony's Smash Bros is well received!

So well received that it looks like competition for Super Smash Bros. Maybe it will be an extra drive to make Smash even better than it was going to be, competiton makes us all better.

yeah i hope so too but i dont think the company behind sonys game will get the right feel for it. Then again im not sure yet but we'll see what happens.