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I also do not understand the dislike for Dark Samus if she does not interfere with Ridley's inclusion? I would think people would not have a problem with her/it? Huh.
Dislike? Where's that coming from? I was only saying that I don't see the point in adding Dark Samus because it seems to be finished. Its kinda like having Zant playable in SSB4.

More or less that she's a likely clone and I really would prefer not to have more clones in this game.

Also you did mention earlier on that Metroid Prime 4 could be an E3 2012 announcement. What do you think are the chances of that happening and do you think Dark Samus would return? Perhaps I could be inclined to support her then (if Ridley is revealed as a playable character at E3 2012) since I could see her as more then a Samus clone thanks to what she could do.
I'm very confident that it wouldn't be a clone. It has plenty of unique moves, no possibility of a ZS Dark Samus (since its suit is its skin), and is almost always levitating. The moves that's based off of Samus's are like 5 times better and are super-powered--a good way to describe some of its moves is basically Samus with DBZ-styled abilities.

BTW, if there's a Metroid Prime 4, Dark Samus is almost guaranteed. Hope you don't mind spoilers for a near decade-old game, but
Dark Samus is Metroid Prime's reincarnation
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Even if she turned out to be why is that such a bad thing? Honestly, clones are not as bad as people make them appear. Besides, being based off of another character does not equate to having to use the same moveset.

The Metroid Prime 4 comment of mine was a stab at whatever Retro Studios next project is that they have stated is a title "everyone has been wanting them to do". Even if Dark Samus appeared in a Prime sequel (which is unlikely considering the Phazon arc is complete) it still would not affect her chances either way.
What does everyone want them to do again? I hope its another DKC tbh.

As for Dark Samus, I'm curious, as I haven't played Prime 2 or 3, what can she (I think it's a she) do that Samus can't?
Make you wish you could play as it so you'll feel like a complete Weapon of Mass Destruction. Sure you'll have to balance an unhealthy phazon addiction with even more phazon, but I'll bet mutating into a mindless monster is worth it. Just look at Metroid Prime. And Emperor Ing. :awesome:

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Whoa, calm down slick. I was speaking generally when the topic of Dark Samus comes up.
Oh, my apologies, I didn't mean to seem hot-headed. XD

I have no idea what they have in mind. All I have ever heard is Prime 4, which is why I brought it up originally in reference to what SSBF asked me.
Cool, thanks for answering.
 
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Well apparently Ghirahim's perception is not going so badly. Just went to Youtube to find his theme from Skyward Sword and the top most rated comment was "Ghirahim for Super Smash Bros" with one hundred and nineteen likes. As I look elsewhere I am seeing similar comments ("Ghirahim for Super Smash Bros, "He is becoming one of my favorite Nintendo villains"). So even though the game appears to be getting mixed reviews the character is not. I know I am certainly enjoying his change of personality. Who knows... It is humorous either way.
Ghirahim's reception has been for the most part positive and despite the flame wars on the GameFAQs board, Skyward Swords has receive universal acclaim and the user scores on Metacritic is standing at around 8.0, so most people like it. I for one want to buy the game just for Ghirahim. It's too bad I have so many options to deal with when it comes to buying games. Perhaps I'll do so this Christmas since I have a stable job?

@BirthNote: I see where you're coming from, but if they can make Ganondorf a clone of Captain Falcon, they can make Dark Samus a clone of Samus. Also, Smash isn't canon, so Dark Samus could break some canon things she does in the games.
 

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@BirthNote: I see where you're coming from, but if they can make Ganondorf a clone of Captain Falcon, they can make Dark Samus a clone of Samus. Also, Smash isn't canon, so Dark Samus could break some canon things she does in the games.
I think time constraints would play a role in that happening since it did with Ganondorf iirc, which would make Dark Samus's chances of being a clone anyone's guess cuz its an element we can't predict. I'm not really sure if Dark Samus is worth it though, but I guess its whatever.
 

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Someone outside of the show had to say it. :p

But isn't that why we all think he's awesome? ;)
 

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Hm, didn't think I had to say anything about Bowser Jr. BUT I'M PRETTY SURE DIXIE KONG WAS WINNING THAT LITTLE POLL.



Really, it just... lines up so well. Beautiful, really. Maybe you want Ike over Krom, or Victini over Zoroark, BUT IT WOULD STILL LINE UP ALRIGHT. I had Isaac and Saki down there between Little Mac and Snake, but I removed them after a bit of conservatism and doubt. Add them back, or a couple other new series, and it still works! I guess the only thing really questionable is having BOTH Kid Icarus goddesses. I guess you could do something STUPID like cut one of them and add DARK SAMUS.

And on the side you even have Mario, Link, Kirby, Pikachu, AND YOU AWH YEAH.

Man, I love organizing these things.


@SmashChu: 8D

@Iblis: D8 And I even went through the trouble of adding little namey-names. What the hell.
Roy over Ike ? you are on drugs ?
Why would Sakurai put a scrapped clone over a unique character such as Ike ? you are tottaly blinded with fanboyism and I don't really care now if Ike is scrapped or not but I would never accept him being replaced by a crappy scrapped clone such as Roy this doesn't add up very well.


Ganondorf is possibly is a long shot now because of Demise and Ghirahim ( and Ghirahim isn't another Zant)

Zelda will not have a Shiek she will have Impa instead.


K.rool won't have chance against all the new chatracter.

Palutena don't will be playable and only Medusa have a chance her and Magnus.

Toon Link would be a waste of a space specially because the game is going to be on HD. (Stop supporting clones)
 

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Hm, didn't think I had to say anything about Bowser Jr. BUT I'M PRETTY SURE DIXIE KONG WAS WINNING THAT LITTLE POLL.



Really, it just... lines up so well. Beautiful, really. Maybe you want Ike over Krom, or Victini over Zoroark, BUT IT WOULD STILL LINE UP ALRIGHT. I had Isaac and Saki down there between Little Mac and Snake, but I removed them after a bit of conservatism and doubt. Add them back, or a couple other new series, and it still works! I guess the only thing really questionable is having BOTH Kid Icarus goddesses. I guess you could do something STUPID like cut one of them and add DARK SAMUS.

And on the side you even have Mario, Link, Kirby, Pikachu, AND YOU AWH YEAH.

Man, I love organizing these things.


@SmashChu: 8D

@Iblis: D8 And I even went through the trouble of adding little namey-names. What the hell.
*:)

I think your roster is very good. There is no character on there I think can't be supported.

My only real disagreement is with is three third party characters. I think it's likely we'll get none or probably less than 3. Disagree more on the fact that there really isn't a reason to have them and Megaman's popularity is VERY low (compare him to Sonic and you'll see what I mean). Everything else is good.

EDIT:Oh, Ike over Chrom. Better to stay old rather than go new. Also, same principle as Roy holds true here.

Wouldn't it be odd if they did call Anthony Higgs a douchebag. ALL SHALL BLAME OASIS.
That's Adam, not Anthony.
Platform girl.

Personally I would remove one of the Uprising Goddesses as well. Kid Icarus being revived does not make it a three character series, in my eyes.

It's not a Kirby or a Donkey Kong or a Legend of Zelda.

Solution? Add Tingle to LoZ which is in the same row and it still lines up :awesome:
I think you don't understand characters. The series matters less than the actual character.

Does Mother deserve two characters. Probably not. It's only had one game oversees and has never been a hit. Yet, it has one.
Does Fire Emblem need 3 characters. Maybe not. It's never been a big hit. Yet it has 3.
The Donkey Kong series is a series that matches Zelda in sales and probably with fewer games. Yet it only has 2 characters
Metroid is one of Nintendo's longest running series and even became more successful with Metroid Prime. But it still only has Samus.
StarFox has gotten a character in every game. Yet the series has been going downhill. Yet it has 3 characters.

I can keep going, but you see the point. The characters are not chosen because their respective series. They are chosen based on the characters themselves. Palutena and Medusa works because they are both prominent characters in their own series and are obviously good enough to get their own little movies. Consider that you want to replace them with Tingle, a character people outright hate.
 

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I think you don't understand characters. The series matters less than the actual character.
This would be understandable if it could be justified. Look at the Mario franchise, where there are plenty more viable characters that just WON'T BE added due to it being the Mario franchise and having a lot of characters already.

When I look at characters, I look at both franchise and character. You can't just look at one of the two. For example, you can't have a roster filled with an assortment of different Pokémon, ever single character from the Mario universe, and the whole cast of Sonic characters. This is because you need fair franchise representation. That was one of the core purposes of smash in the first place: to allow characters from different Nintendo universes to battle each other.

You also need to look at the character themselves, and their individual merits. This is pretty self explanatory.

Does Mother deserve two characters. Probably not. It's only had one game oversees and has never been a hit. Yet, it has one.
Lucas and Ness were very similar in design and moveset, and it is kind of disappointing to see them as they are. I would say that having both of them included was unnecessary, but this is from a character point of view as much as from a franchise point of view.
Does Fire Emblem need 3 characters. Maybe not. It's never been a big hit. Yet it has 3.
Fire Emblem currently has two characters, and I think that is an okay place for it to be. It's a series that has a whole lot of similar characters, but Marth and Ike differentiate from each other enough, and I don't feel like Fire Emblem is being overrepresented.
The Donkey Kong series is a series that matches Zelda in sales and probably with fewer games. Yet it only has 2 characters
This is a mistake, in my opinion. Donkey Kong is one of the biggest franchises for Nintendo (top 5 material), AND it has a variety of interesting characters to choose from. King K. Rool and Dixie Kong are obvious stand-outs, and I think the series would be fine with four characters, too.
Metroid is one of Nintendo's longest running series and even became more successful with Metroid Prime. But it still only has Samus.
Most people will also agree that this is not right. Metroid may not have much as far as character options to choose from, but it has more than just Samus. Also, Zero Suit Samus is her own character, and adding Ridley would put the franchise about where it should be in my eyes.
StarFox has gotten a character in every game. Yet the series has been going downhill. Yet it has 3 characters.
Starfox is the opposite of Metroid and Donkey Kong. It doesn't deserve what it's getting, and the fact that people are advocating for yet another rep is unnerving. The three Starfox characters are already too similar to each other and need to be shifted around a bit if they're going to be kept (which they should be).

I can keep going, but you see the point. The characters are not chosen because their respective series. They are chosen based on the characters themselves. Palutena and Medusa works because they are both prominent characters in their own series and are obviously good enough to get their own little movies. Consider that you want to replace them with Tingle, a character people outright hate.
I think you should stop acting like you know why characters are chosen to be in smash. Industries are more complicated than that, and Sakurai's criteria (if he has any), are unreliable at best because they can never be adhered to. A character should be added on their own merits, sure, but you have to be reasonable in what constitutes a merit. It's better to stick to personal speculation, or speculation on what would make the most sense. Who knows what outside factors are influencing Sakurai? Trying to find a trend in why characters are added is pointless. I'm going to ignore the last point due to subjectivity and bias, however true it may be.

All that said, I definitely do not think Kid Icarus is a franchise that is deserving of three characters, no matter how interesting those characters may be. Smash only has so many slots, and Nintendo has a lot of interesting characters.
 

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Smash only has so many slots, and Nintendo has a lot of interesting characters.
Unfortunately, we do not know these exact slots, so we cannot say what'll happen. Personally, I'd want Medusa of the characters. That, and mythology is sweet.

Agreed with most of the rest, minus any "deserving" stuff. That's too subjective.
 

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Starphoenix should have known I was trying to specifically get a ROUSE out of him.

@SmashChu old over new thing: Is it? I mean, I'm sure fans would like that most of the time, but is it really so bad? Pumps in some FRESHNESS. NEW faces to grow to love as much as the ones that were replaced. Lucario and Ike were very well received despite being replacements (sort of). Even though now they seem like a couple of new douchebags taking the spots of characters we'd rather see instead, I'm sure Zoroark and Krom will gain plenty of fans DOWN THE ROAD.

Though I've been thinking Krom would be a clone of Ike since one wouldn't want to lose what makes Ike special. Roy would hopefully get the new moveset since his sword shoots fire or something. Could be NEAT.

@Ike-Same: You're adorable. *pinch cheeks*
 

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None of what your post said was actually related to anything I was saying. It's like you played jenga with my post and then read them after your reply to the last page break. Why do I say that? Because of this....

The characters are not chosen because their respective series. They are chosen based on the characters themselves.
Then you say
All that said, I definitely do not think Kid Icarus is a franchise that is deserving of three characters
Does anyone have a gun? I need to shoot myself.

The whole point was that characters are what Sakurai is adding, not series. I'll say it again in big font. Characters are what Sakurai is adding, not series.

Did you think to yourself "Geeez, Smashchu is making a lot of analogies. I wonder why." They were making a point. The point is that Sakurai is adding CHARACTERS. He added Lucas because he was interesting. I go on about how Metroid has 1 character, Starfox has 3, Mother has 2 and Donkey Kong has 2. I was making a pattern saying "Lookie. The series and the number of characters they get aren't in line. Maybe that means something. .

You instead say how Donkey Kong having X is wrong as is Starfox. The reason they have X number is is because he added characters. Metroid is a great example. Metroid is a very long running and popular series. It was also bigger with Metroid Prime. Yet there is only 1 character (ZZS is the same character, and I expect people to take this and make 1000 word essays about how I'm wrong). Look at the Metroid series. Is there really anyone who stands out and screams "Add me!" who isn't Ridley. Better yet, is there any character who does and is some how better than the rest of the new characters they could add? The reason we still don't have a Metroid characters is because the pool is small. But Starfox has a lot of interesting and prominent characters.

People complain about the roster, but one of the great things about Smash is it's roster. The games have done so well because the cast is always good. Only the best characters are added, so it feels like an All-Star game. We could add 2 more Metroid characters, but would they be any good? We could add more Kirby characters too, but no one wants anyone else from the series. We have characters like Wolf, who "shouldn't," be there based on his series, but people like the character. Heck, I hate Skyward Sword but still support Ghirahim. The point is that characters are what you look at. Not series. If Sakurai really did that, than I expect Toad, Bowser Jr., Waluigi, Daisy and Rosalina in the next game.

@SmashChu old over new thing: Is it? I mean, I'm sure fans would like that most of the time, but is it really so bad? Pumps in some FRESHNESS. NEW faces to grow to love as much as the ones that were replaced. Lucario and Ike were very well received despite being replacements (sort of). Even though now they seem like a couple of new douchebags taking the spots of characters we'd rather see instead, I'm sure Zoroark and Krom will gain plenty of fans DOWN THE ROAD.
If your going to add a character who is very similar to an older one, why take out the older one? People are upset because Roy and Mewtwo are gone. Lucario and Ike don't make it somehow better. The characters added have a special place in the series. The new guys may be fresh, but why do we have to axe someone to add them? Doesn't that imply that they only work because of another character.

Case in point, old character are an important part of the series and Chrom looking like Ike will never change that.

Also, never like someone saying Ike and Lucario somehow replaced Roy and Mewtwo. Everything points to all 4 of them being in the game.
 

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If Sakurai looked at characters he would add Toad, Jr, Daisy, Waluigi, and Rosalina.

If he looked at series he would realize that is ridiculous.

We'll cut the argument here and see what happens.
 

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If Sakurai looked at characters he would add Toad, Jr, Daisy, Waluigi, and Rosalina.

If he looked at series he would realize that is ridiculous.

We'll cut the argument here and see what happens.
Please tell me your drunk right now.
 

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I got a better idea: Let's stop acting like we know how Sakurai thinks here.

Yes, we like the characters because they're cool, but not everybody agrees they're great choices. That's too subjective.
 
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So for this roster image I'm toying with, I don't have the room for both Toad and Dixie. The only sensible thing to do would be to remove one of these beloved characters completely for reasons that are not at all trivial hush.

SO THEN: TOAD VS DIXIE KONG?! YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE.
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Ganondorf is a long shot
Is the thread ending already this early?
 

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The only two possible replacements for Ganondorf are Ganon or Toon Ganondorf. Otherwise, I cannot see how the main villain(regardless of form) would ever leave. That makes absolutely no sense. Sorry... just, I don't get the logic.

Anyway, I can't wait for the Trailer myself. Even a few characters being shown would help.
 
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HF said:
I got a better idea: Let's stop acting like we know how Sakurai thinks here.

Yes, we like the characters because they're cool, but not everybody agrees they're great choices. That's too subjective.
It's speculating. We find it fun. We're pretty damn sure that our predictions are not assured without the help of....

EVIDENCE!?


Oh about the Ganondorf, I was suppose to say.... "Has this thread already reached its peak of stupidity?"
 

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It's speculating. We find it fun. We're pretty damn sure that our predictions are not assured without the help of....

EVIDENCE!?


Oh about the Ganondorf, I was suppose to say.... "Has this thread already reached its peak of stupidity?"
I'm referring to the whole crap that SmashChu started.

And there's no true evidence anyway.

And agreed with the Ganondorf part. ...Seriously, he'd never be cut.(beyond what I said for suitable reasonable replacements)
 

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If your going to add a character who is very similar to an older one, why take out the older one? People are upset because Roy and Mewtwo are gone. Lucario and Ike don't make it somehow better. The characters added have a special place in the series. The new guys may be fresh, but why do we have to axe someone to add them? Doesn't that imply that they only work because of another character.

Case in point, old character are an important part of the series and Chrom looking like Ike will never change that.

Also, never like someone saying Ike and Lucario somehow replaced Roy and Mewtwo. Everything points to all 4 of them being in the game.
Perhaps a better thing to say would newer characters have PRIORITY over the old? :awesome:

Personally, I DON'T want Ike to be cut, but being repla--OUT PRIORITIZED is a distinct possibility.

...Though. LET'S SEE HERE. If he was going to add Roy in Brawl, would that probably be in his plan this time around? As in, he'll say to himself "This is all I have to do." I mean, he wouldn't have to ask himself "Who do I need to add for Fire Emblem? (...ignoring that he probably wouldn't look at it from a SERIES standpoint)" I guess if he doesn't look to IS for input, he would automatically just figure he'd need to bring back Roy and that's it? No Krom?

...ALSO, mostly that roster was to show how well everything lined up. Whether FE was represented with Marth, Roy, Ike; Marth, Roy, Krom; or Marth, Ike, Krom; everything still lines up well. :awesome:
 
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Roy over Ike ? you are on drugs ?

I think it's just you to be honest. Lol.

Ganondorf is possibly is a long shot now because of Demise and Ghirahim ( and Ghirahim isn't another Zant)

The thread is nearly extinct now because of this very statement.

Zelda will not have a Shiek she will have Impa instead.

The thread has also received some of the most ridiculous posts right now and this one is also part of the top 3.

K.rool won't have chance against all the new chatracter.

The thread is almost dead.....

Palutena don't will be playable and only Medusa have a chance her and Magnus.

It's not dead for a while

Toon Link would be a waste of a space specially because the game is going to be on HD. (Stop supporting clones)

OKAY. That was close. The thread has taken 9998 damage only having 1 HP left.
Replies are in blue. No offense though but these have to be some of the weirdest and most .... "Wtf" comments I've ever seen since Call of Duty for Smash 4.

@HF: Oh
Perhaps a better thing to say would newer characters have PRIORITY over the old? :awesome:

Personally, I DON'T want Ike to be cut, but being repla--OUT PRIORITIZED is a distinct possibility.

...Though. LET'S SEE HERE. If he was going to add Roy in Brawl, would that probably be in his plan this time around? As in, he'll say to himself "This is all I have to do." I mean, he wouldn't have to ask himself "Who do I need to add for Fire Emblem? (...ignoring that he probably wouldn't look at it from a SERIES standpoint)" I guess if he doesn't look to IS for input, he would automatically just figure he'd need to bring back Roy and that's it? No Krom?

...ALSO, mostly that roster was to show how well everything lined up. Whether FE was represented with Marth, Roy, Ike; Marth, Roy, Krom; or Marth, Ike, Krom; everything still lines up well. :awesome:
UM. Wait....

Isn't Toad, Ridley, K Rool, Saki, Takamaru, ........ (Insert more old characters) old? By putting the new over old characters, we'd be saying hi to Jr, Krystal, Dark Samus, Douchebag Malkonovich and other characters

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What if Sakurai's criteria has changed? It has indeed changed from 64 to Melee to Brawl from what I remember... If it's actually a bit of a likely possibility then.... WE'VE BEEN WRONG ALL THIS TIME D:.......... Possibly

OH and if you guys are wondering why I'm here early and why I'm not - not posting here for 2 days is because I have free time ya know. Yes. I'm suppose to review for tests and all but.... TOO EASY
 

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What if Sakurai's criteria has changed? It has indeed changed from 64 to Melee to Brawl from what I remember... If it's actually a bit of a likely possibility then.... WE'VE BEEN WRONG ALL THIS TIME D:.......... Possibly
Exactly this. We just don't know yet. Okay, maybe that criteria was for one game, but is it for this one? Who knows!

I still loving looking at possibilities. (honestly, only thing I'd fully say NO to is characters originated in something other than video games as their first video game appearance. As in other media. Real life only doesn't count, hence R.O.B., although I think he was a very special exception due to saving Nintendo and Video Games as a whole's bacon)
 

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@Broserker: That mostly just applies to Pokeymanz and Fire Emblem. If they didn't cut their characters, they'd just keep PILING UP.
 

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How about we include Ike with red hair + moves of Roy + model + voice actor? Deal?
Wait, were hacks done using Marth or Ike as the base for that?

Also, Oasis has a point there. They're the only series besides Doctor Mario himself to actually get cut.(and I'll be honest, I'd rather have had Wario in Melee anyway. The Doc was cool, but Wario's cooler, imo)
 
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[collapse=Wolf]
Forward B - Ravage

Wolf lunges and rapidly slashes forward. Each slash deals 3% damage making a total of 15% damage. This move has high priority. (Kinda resembles to berserker barrage I guess)

Down B - Claw spin

Wolf does some circular motion slash attack. YA KNOW.....Like MK's nair except he uses his claws. It deals 10% damage. It's great to use in the middle of combos. This can also reflect by the way...

Up B - Rising claw

Wolf rises upward and slashes. It's like Marth's up B except it's higher but it has some start up and ending.[/collapse]
[collapse=Sheik]Changes
Downward A - Tackle

Sheik tackles quickly dealing 8% damage. This can be cancelled to a short jump or any attack.

Forward smash - Quick lunge

Sheik lunges quickly through the enemy dealing 12 - 17% damage.

Downward air - Dive kick

Has lesser start up and ending

Forward special - Double palm

(Check Kuma's suggestion)

Upward special - Smoke teleport

Faster start up and ending

Downward special - Deku nut

Sheik throws down the nut stunning the enemy. It deals no damage[/collapse]
[collapse=Falco]Upward B - Flying Bird (Sort of)

Falco does multiple number of flip kicks dealing 15% damage in total

Downward B - Plant reflector

Falco plants his reflector. Lasts for 10 seconds.[/collapse]
[collapse=Ganondorf 2.0]
Neutral B - Thunder magic

Ganondorf fires a thunderball that tracks the enemy. The travel speed is slow but it gets faster if it's hit/deflected by a melee attack PLUS it deals more damage

Forward B - Murder choke

Same as brawl except there's lesser ending lag

Downward B - Flight

Ganondorf flies. It lasts for 5 seconds. It's actually a mobile, fast and controllable flight. He can do his specials during this mode.

Upward B - Gerudo charge

Ganondorf charges towards at any direction as dark flames cover him. This move has super armor and deals 17% damage. At the noticeable start up, shift the analog at any direction to make Ganondorf charge there

Down air - Stomp

Hold A to make Ganondorf dive further. You can also Shift the analog to down-right or down-left (HAPPY CHU?) to make Ganondorf's stomp aim there.[/collapse]
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Neutral B - Weapon use

Link uses the weapon being armed right now

Bow - Shoots out an arrow
Bomb - Throws a bomb. Can also roll it if you hold B
Boomerang - Throws a boomerang
Megaton hammer - Smashes with the hammer.
Beedle - Grabs projectiles, pierces through them and encages enemies with their tiny "mouths"

Forward B - Sword skills

6B - Mortal draw

Link slashes the enemy dealing 20% damage with enormous knockback. Note that the start up is long.

9B - Helm splitter

Link parries the enemy then flips above him then slashes the head. No beheading lol.

Down special - Weapon change

The name says it all
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Upward B - Deku Leaf

Makes him glide

Downward B - Spin attack

In air, it does not rise him upwards. Basically, it's just the same usual spin attack.... Unless you fully charge it, it becomes the hurricane spin attack where in you can move at ANY DIRECTION (Yes, the 8 directions) while spinning.

Forward B - Bomb Chu

Bomb Chu follows its nearest enemy dealing only a mear 7% damage

Neutral B - Homing boomerang

In commemoration of the usage of boomerangs in the DS games, it tracks enemies.[/collapse]
 
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Thanks. To be honest, I find it weird though that Link is more of a weapon user than a sword user BUT I guess it's actually faithful to the Zelda series anyway since you'll find yourself using it most of the time.
 

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Well, the sword has always been his primary weapon.(except in the first game where you can play it without one for everything but the final boss)

He's known for having tons of items/weapons, which is what makes him so interesting.
 
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[collapse=Captain Falcon]Neutral B - Falcon Punch

Chargeable. If it's fully charged, it's just like the usual laggy, powerful, awesome and godly Falcon punch we all know and love

Forward B - Raptor punch

Mash B for 3 more hits to deal 18% damage all in all. OH. It also has a bigger hitbox

Downward B - Falcon kick

Mash B for 5 more kicks dealing 16% damage all in all.[/collapse]
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Neutral B - Charge shot

Difference is that it fires faster and it pretty much resembles to the Metroir Prime/Other M charge shooting shots. Deals 4 - 13% damage.

Forward B - Missile shot

The normal missile travels FAAAAST but it has poor tracking. It deals 7% damage. The super missile just shoots at a straight direction BUT it deals 11% damage. Btw, hold B for a while then Samus fires 4 normal missiles

Downward B - Morphball bomb

Chargeable. If fully charge, causes a huge explosion dealing 15% damage.

Dash attack - Shoulder boost

Samus does that hyper boost move from other M. Click the jump button to follow it up with a shine spark jump. The jump can reach 3 stage builder blocks

Forward smash - Diffusion spark

Samus shoots out a spark that resembles to the diffusion shot's texture/color. Deals 13 - 19% damage.

Downward smash - Ice explosion

Samus aims her arm cannon on the ground and shoots out an ice shot 2 times causing an ice explosion. Deals 15 - 23% damage[/collapse]
[collapse=Pikachu]Forward B - Skull bash

Now has faster start up. Basically, an uncharged skull bash boosts Pika forward and the distance travelled is small. Fully charged one is pretty much also the fully charged skull bash we know in brawl. This can now be safe in the middle of combos due to its speed[/collapse]
[collapse=Jigglypuff]Forward B - Pounding

Hold B then release it to do the alternate version. Jigglypuff will slap the enemy 5 times dealing 10% damage total. The last hit HAS NO KNOCKBACK but it staggers the opponent. This can be used to start combos or to continue them

Downward B - Rest

Keeps the same properties except this time, it can heal 3% per second of resting

Upward B - Sing

More useful move this time. It has quicker ending lag than the original sing and a quicker start up. This also adds up to Jigglypuff's damage input of pound.[/collapse]
[collapse=Olimar]Forward - Down B - Pikmin run

Olimar commands the pikmin to run towards the enemy and latch on him/her.

Forward B fully charged (For teh lulz) - HYPUR PIKMIN FORCE

Olimar commands the pikmins to throw themselves towards the enemy. The following deals the certain damage....

Purple - 5%
Red - 4%
Blue - 3%
Yellow - 2%
White - 1%

The pikmins throw themselves 3 or maybe 4 stage builder blocks long[/collapse]
 

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Ike-Sama killed the thread, huh? Hey, that's my job! :p

Anyways, might as well post my roster prediction here since I already did so in the BR:

[COLLAPSE="Metal Overlord's All-Knowing Roster Prediction"] Mario
Mario
Luigi
Princess Peach
Bowser
Toad

Legend of Zelda
Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf
Toon Link

Pokemon
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo
Pokemon Trainer Red
Genesect
Lucario

Donkey Kong
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong
King K. Rool

Wario
Wario
Ashley

Yoshi
Yoshi

Metroid
Samus/Zero Suit Samus
Ridley

Kirby
Kirby
King Dedede
Meta Knight

Fire Emblem
Marth
Ike
Roy

Pikmin
Captain Olimar

Earthbound
Ness
Lucas

F-Zero
Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh

Star Fox
Fox
Falco
Wolf
Krystal

Kid Icarus
Pit
Medusa

Punch-Out!!!
Little Mac

Golden Sun
Isaac

Sin and Punishment
Saki

Retro
Ice Climbers
R.O.B
Mr. Game and Watch
Takamaru
Sheriff

3rd Party
Sonic
Snake
Mega Man
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Is it alright if I tell the few problems with your roster?

Well...

Genesect
Krystal
Ashley

And plus, I don't recall you making weird posts.
 

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I meant that usually I first arrive here for the day and post here, no one posts for like an hour :laugh:

Anyways, thanks for the feedback; although I really believe in Genesect getting in, I'm not actually so sure on Krystal and Ashley, I just have a gut feeling about them for some reason
 

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@Metal Overlord: Eh...I personally don't think that Mario should have less reps than Zelda, seeing as it's Nintendo's flagship series. Just personal preference.

@Berserker: With Olimar's Down B, I kind of like the original, seeing as Down Bs are usually more gimmicky moves (Whistle, FLUDD, Game and Watch's, Ice Climbers, Pit's, Reflectors, Counters, ect.). Plus, I feel it represents a huge part of the series, as you often needed to use the whistle.

@Oasis: I'd personally have Toad over Dixie if the choice was given. Once again, just personal preference.

@Ike Samaa or something: Umm...spoiler for Skyward Sword much? But seriously, Ganondorf's probably here to stay. You know the backlash when Mewtwo was cut...imagine if Ganondorf was cut? And I don't know much about the Zelda series, but I don't think Zelda EVER became Impa.



Just some opinions of mine.
 
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