New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Metal Overlord]

Lol John, you meant Oasis instead of Omega

 

[Big-Cat]

I can't picture a flash kick going in any other direction but upward. You might as well have a diving in attack.

 

[Johnknight1]

^ I can picture a bird like Falco doing anything. I do think it would be funny/awesome/cool if his up B was something like a sky soaring (upward) spin move that sucked in foes, though. It could be something like Sonic's up B, minus the spring launching him.

Also, I do gotta say that Bowser Jr.'s chances of being a clone compared to Paper Mario are hard to compare. I think it's about even that both could be clones quite honestly. However, I think there is a low chance that either will be clones.. Regardless, I gotta say that Bowser Jr. definitely should have some characteristics of Bowser regardless, while still being unique, of course.

I should add that I would prefer a semi-clone Bowser Jr. or a clone Bowser. Jr to a semi-clone or clone Paper Mario. I think it would just "work better" with Bowser Jr. like that than Paper Mario. I have a much harder time picturing a "fun" and "unique" clone or semi-clone Paper Mario compared to Bowser Jr.

 

[Shorts]

In terms of clones/semi clones I think Junior and Toad would be more interesting than PMario, because Paper Mario IS Mario, it's all the more "reason" to make him similar to Mario. At least we can see propeller Up B instead of the Mario Jump, and Maybe Iceballs. Junior could be a complete clone and still be interesting because of sheer size/speed/weight differences to his pop. Who knows, maybe he could actually be a GOOD Bowser? Although I definitely think he would have unique aspects. Fireballs > Fire Breathe references to paintbrushes, his siblings, and Clown Car.

Really, clones or not, I generally prefer Junior and Toad.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well, Bowser Jr. IS Bowser's son, and is often confused with Baby Bowser, so him being a clone doesn't even bother me that much.

Paper Mario doesn't even generally have the same moves as regular Mario as is. He starts with a Hammer as is. That's quite a difference.

Note that Young/Toon Link has had just about all the same weapons and abilities as Link, so them being a clone bothers me somewhat, but not to a ridiculous point.

 

[Shorts]

Paper Mario doesn't even generally have the same moves as regular Mario as is. He starts with a Hammer as is. That's quite a difference.

Note that Young/Toon Link has had just about all the same weapons and abilities as Link, so them being a clone bothers me somewhat, but not to a ridiculous point.

Note that Young and Toon Link could have EASILY not been clones, which is why I bring them up. Just like Paper Mario. Enough with the freaking hammer. Just enough with this boosha topic.

Paper Mario is Mario. That's why he is clone material. Denying he is clone material makes you look real dumb.

 

[Kantrip]

Yarn Kirby is Kirby, but I would argue to say if he was ever included (he won't be, but still) that he would be luigified at WORST. Most likely unique.

 

[nLiM8d]

Denying he is clone material makes you look real dumb.

Listen man, nobody gives a damn about all that. Ease up and stop with this pretentiousness.

Relay that message if you will folks.

 

[Luco]

Wait... What's the argument about here? I don't think i should get involved, just in case i completely mis-understand the topic (like i've done once or twice in the past!) :-P

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Note that Young and Toon Link could have EASILY not been clones, which is why I bring them up. Just like Paper Mario. Enough with the freaking hammer. Just enough with this boosha topic.

Paper Mario is Mario. That's why he is clone material. Denying he is clone material makes you look real dumb.

Toon Link is still Link. Dr. Mario is still Mario.

Besides, with Paper Mario, you could make a moveset from the partners in his games, along with the Hammer.

 

[Conviction]

I thought Young Link was the younger form of Adult Link while Toon Link was in a separate timeline...

 

[Aurane]

Toon Link is a different person. Poppy, do your research. TL is like all the other Links, but there is only one true Link, which originates from the very 1st game, Legend of Zelda. All others are from different time periods, and they even state that in-game.

Realistically, Paper Mario would have some differences from Mario in comparison to movesets, but not much. Maybe the Hammer will be thrown in, or maybe a new FS. I doubt he'd get in, but I can't say that yet. The 3DS Paper Mario isn't out yet (?), so I'd w8 and see how that goes.

Thanks to SSBF, I will now be starting my essay. I now know what to write and say, which is good. This essay is hopefully going to be done after Vetrans Day. Once again, thank you, SSBF.

Another thing. The only game that had two of the same Links is OoT. Fact.

Note please that "Formes" are just clones of the characters in different body appearences. Here's some of them:
Toy Pikachu/Raichu/Pikachu
Paper Mario/Toy Mario/Jumperman/Dr.Mario/Mr.Nintendo/Mario
Toon Link/Young Link/Link

Just some examples. Pikachu evolves into Raichu. So therefore, it's still Pikachu, but stronger and older, in the sense. You can say the same with Link and Mario too.

Ah, yes. An essay about me. Now that's a good homework assignment!

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I thought Young Link was the younger form of Adult Link while Toon Link was in a separate timeline...

He is, but regardless, he's still Link.
@Asage: I know they're all from different times. I know that. But even though they ARE from different times, they are known as Link, and they are all chosen by the gods to fulfill a perilous quest. Even Toon Link.

 

[Aurane]

@Poppy So therefore, they are different people. Which is what I'm getting at. I mean, they are known as Link, but in game, you can name them whatever you like, such as, "Bryan" or "Joe". Which makes sense towards what I'm saying.

Link is Link. This is true, but it is also false.

Anyways, anyone have news of information I'd be interested in?

Last time I checked, Link isn't Immortal. Maybe the soul, but not the person.

 

[Conviction]

Yeah, all different people. Toon Link games definitely are different from Young Link/Adult Link games.

 

[Aurane]

So, I'm getting back into my Adventure mode ideas, along with Movesets. My next movesets I'm doing are:
Jolteon (Micheal's Eevee PKMN)
Lucario (Remixed Moveset)
Custom Character Creation (Gyro the Drobred, part of my comic series)

As for Adventure Mode...

Micheal and Red
Victini and Mario/Sonic (Undecided)
Custom Character Adventure Mode (Very big, won't be presented for awhile)

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

We don't know if it can have up to 2 yet. I wasn't counting the Wii U controller as an indefinite point because of this.

Albeit, sure, it might be one per system, which means it won't be viable for tourneys.

I don't think people would even want to bring that thing to tourneys, unless they just got into smash and that's all they've learned to play with.

In cases like that, you just have to experiment with each control scheme to find the one that works best for you.

 

[Conviction]

I thought Sakurai didn't approve of not having a GCC type controller.

IIRC, in one of his articles, he held up a GCC and said something along the lines of "This is what Smash is meant to be played with"

DON'T QUOTE ME ON IT UNLESS SOMEONE CAN FIND THAT ARTICLE THOUGH

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Either way... it's not his decision if Nintendo makes it GC Controller compatible or not.

@MASG: Any new player would most likely try out the Tablet first, and possibly prefer it.

Likewise, the less spent on batteries and more on food/gas, the better. Economy's pretty tight as is. That's why a lot of people do bring GC Controllers if they have them. It's also fairly easy to practice with them.

 

[Conviction]

As one of their biggest money bringing games I would think they would make some type of way to play the optimally. E

It's k though, I believe in Nintendo (and then if not them some 3rd Party Controller Maker). Or the smash community seeing how we've gotten PS2 controller in on Smash too. LOL

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

To be fair, you could only do that with SSB on the Computer using the controller, or the really awkward-to-use GameCube to PS2 converter.

Also, Nintendo took the GameCube slots out of the latest Wii Model. I'd say the chances of using GCN Controllers on the Wii U are pretty darn low.

But hey, more money for them.(seriously, just let us use two Tablets by default. Whether or not we can buy them seperately, it sure as hell would make tourneygoers happy, you know, people who love to play on their system too) In other words, time to give core gamers some love too. Too much love for the casuals with their decisions, not even for the other gamers.

 

[Aurane]

I was thinking... What if moves that are opposite of eyesight have a different control?

Example: Eyesight is >. Use (B)< and you do a different move. Same with (A) moves.

I think it could work well. I'm going to add a move towards Victini's moveset, but before I do, what do you guys think?

 

[Starphoenix]

Paper Mario has the least chance of being a clone compared to all of the Mario characters. His frame alone would prevent him from doing half of what Mario does. Anybody who believes otherwise is either ignorant of that fact or are biased in their evaluation. It is as simple as that. Later.

 

[Aurane]

Paper Mario has the least chance of being a clone compared to all of the Mario characters. His frame alone would prevent him from doing half of what Mario does. Anybody who believes otherwise is either ignorant of that fact or are biased in their evaluation. It is as simple as that. Later.

Well, you could say the same about TL and Link... I believe, however, that some differences would be automatic, but not much. Maybe (B) move differences, except (B)^. His FS might be different too. But knowing SSB, this would be a seeable clone, like Falco and Fox.

If this is ignorant, then learn how to read. Just getting that outta the way.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Paper Mario has the least chance of being a clone compared to all of the Mario characters. His frame alone would prevent him from doing half of what Mario does. Anybody who believes otherwise is either ignorant of that fact or are biased in their evaluation. It is as simple as that. Later.

This.
Paper Mario has no fire, cape, or obviously FLUDD. Even Up Special could be Parakarry or Carrie.

 

[Big-Cat]

As one of their biggest money bringing games I would think they would make some type of way to play the optimally. E

It's k though, I believe in Nintendo (and then if not them some 3rd Party Controller Maker). Or the smash community seeing how we've gotten PS2 controller in on Smash too. LOL

Don't be surprised if we start using USB controllers. There are like four slots on the current WiiU model. It's definitely a possibility.

And Iblis, I don't know if you missed this, but what do you think of this Fox combo I made up a while back. It's under the assumption that only certain moves DI and that attacks can chain into each other and special and jump canceling are available.

FTilt > DTilt > if opponent DIs forward > Special Cancel into Shine > DACUS > If Opponent DIs to behind you > Jump Cancel into Bair > Jump Cancel > DAir > Okizeme followup.

And then one for Krystal which is somewhat more technical to do.
AAA > UTilt > Jump Cancel > NAir > Fast-fall> Dash > AA > FTilt* > DSmash > Special Cancel > Far Quake if opponent tech rolls away from you > Jump Cancel > FAir > Jump Cancel > FAir

*Requires specific timing so the DSmash will connect.

 

[Aurane]

Don't be surprised if we start using USB controllers. There are like four slots on the current WiiU model. It's definitely a possibility.

And Iblis, I don't know if you missed this, but what do you think of this Fox combo I made up a while back. It's under the assumption that only certain moves DI and that attacks can chain into each other and special and jump canceling are available.

FTilt > DTilt > if opponent DIs forward > Special Cancel into Shine > DACUS > If Opponent DIs to behind you > Jump Cancel into Bair > Jump Cancel > DAir > Okizeme followup.

And then one for Krystal which is somewhat more technical to do.
AAA > UTilt > Jump Cancel > NAir > Fast-fall> Dash > AA > FTilt* > DSmash > Special Cancel > Far Quake if opponent tech rolls away from you > Jump Cancel > FAir > Jump Cancel > Aerial depending on DI direction.

*Requires specific timing so the DSmash will connect.

It sounds too much like Xbox 360's Wired Controllers. They use USB connectors, too. If they do, I'll have to call them on it...

Which means nothing.

 

[Big-Cat]

Is that a bad thing? At least now they don't have to create additional ports and make the machine needlessly bigger.

 

[Aurane]

Is that a bad thing? At least now they don't have to create additional ports and make the machine needlessly bigger.

Eh, I guess not. But, it's interesting how closer and closer the Wii U looks like the Xbox 360.

 

[Big-Cat]

That reminded me though of how I wanna try out Smash on an arcade stick. Aside from the C-Stick (which can easily be removed from Smash), the only issue present is that the stick isn't analog, but how many competitive players use anything but normal walk and run?

 

[Conviction]

Don't be surprised if we start using USB controllers. There are like four slots on the current WiiU model. It's definitely a possibility.

And Iblis, I don't know if you missed this, but what do you think of this Fox combo I made up a while back. It's under the assumption that only certain moves DI and that attacks can chain into each other and special and jump canceling are available.

FTilt > DTilt > if opponent DIs forward > Special Cancel into Shine > DACUS > If Opponent DIs to behind you > Jump Cancel into Bair > Jump Cancel > DAir > Okizeme followup.

And then one for Krystal which is somewhat more technical to do.
AAA > UTilt > Jump Cancel > NAir > Fast-fall> Dash > AA > FTilt* > DSmash > Special Cancel > Far Quake if opponent tech rolls away from you > Jump Cancel > FAir > Jump Cancel > FAir

*Requires specific timing so the DSmash will connect.

Hahaha, I like these

It sounds too much like Xbox 360's Wired Controllers. They use USB connectors, too. If they do, I'll have to call them on it...

I don't see how having wired controllers is a problem at all. Wireless in a tourney setting is the problem >.>

That reminded me though of how I wanna try out Smash on an arcade stick. Aside from the C-Stick (which can easily be removed from Smash), the only issue present is that the stick isn't analog, but how many competitive players use anything but normal walk and run?

I want to keep the Cstick feature though

 

[Starphoenix]

Well, you could say the same about TL and Link... I believe, however, that some differences would be automatic, but not much. Maybe (B) move differences, except (B)^. His FS might be different too. But knowing SSB, this would be a seeable clone, like Falco and Fox.

No, you couldn't. There is a big difference between comparing the two Links to the two Marios. It has nothing to do with moves or utilities, but the very nature of Paper Mario's frame and, hypothetical, model.

 

[Big-Cat]

I want to keep the Cstick feature though

I always felt it was an execution handicap except for the case of using BAir while going forward or FAir while jumping away. I was able to do DACUS with Lucas from Day 1 with no problems.

 

[Aurane]

No, you couldn't. There is a big difference between comparing the two Links to the two Marios. It has nothing to do with moves or utilities, but the very nature of Paper Mario's frame and, hypothetical, model.

Umm.. that's what I'm saying. Toon Link's frame is different from Link's. He's toonish, while Link is more realistic. I think u mean Dimensions... Like 3D and 2D, which is always a factor, which I believe I was agreeing too.
Either way, I'm w8in til paper mario 3d to come out til I agree with his appearence.

 

[Conviction]

I always felt it was an execution handicap except for the case of using BAir while going forward or FAir while jumping away. I was able to do DACUS with Lucas from Day 1 with no problems.

It saves you accidental charging frames of smashes too.

 

[Aurane]

If competitive players need to learn how to use a new controller, they will, if they're dedicated to playing competitively, I suppose. If not, they'll whine about their being no GC controllers, and that's gunna solve all of life's problems T_T
If the Classic Controller returns, then use that. Tinker with it's controls in the Options menu.

 

[Conviction]

If competitive players need to learn how to use a new controller, they will, if they're dedicated to playing competitively, I suppose. If not, they'll whine about their being no GC controllers, and that's gunna solve all of life's problems T_T
If the Classic Controller returns, then use that. Tinker with it's controls in the Options menu.

And people wonder why sometimes competitive players talk down on casuals...


Anyways, no. Do your homework before you even make posts like these again. There are plenty of successful non GCC players in the competitive community one of them happens to live in my area too.

Razer for example, a top 5 Snake, he uses Wiimote+Nunchuck.

I know others that use Classic.

I know others (these are the least successful) who use solo Wiimote.

Voicing our concerns is far from whining. If you define that as whining, this whole thread is full of whining because of people's speculations. An extreme example if I really have to drive this point home is. Your precious essay. It's not some informative reasons on why Victini should be in Smash, it's a wall of whining about getting your character you are most bias to about getting into Smash.

Furthermore, looking at the USB ports, there is a chance of there being a wired controller.

We just want a wired controller. Not a GCC, a wired controller. Wired Controller.

Change is not a problem. Wireless interferences are.

Spoiler

Feels like summertime again.

 

[Starphoenix]

Umm.. that's what I'm saying. Toon Link's frame is different from Link's. He's toonish, while Link is more realistic. I think u mean Dimensions... Like 3D and 2D, which is always a factor, which I believe I was agreeing too.
Either way, I'm w8in til paper mario 3d to come out til I agree with his appearence.

Correct, I am referring to dimensions. What you are describing with Link and Toon Link is artstyle. Even though Toon Link is smaller he has the same human frame as Link. Paper Mario is not only limited to a 2D plane his body is also stubbier than Mario's body.

Speaking of Paper Mario, I am not very impressed with Super Mario 3D Land. I feel like Super Paper Mario already did the 3rd dimension platformer routine years ago. Maybe this is just me?

 

[Conviction]

Paper Mario's Spotdodge animation: Flipping into 3D

 

[---]

Well I'm back, and I haven't killed Ridley yet. But I did kill his bro-in-arms: Kraid.

Well it's nice to see someone stopped that dumb Paper Mario clone disscussion. It was by far one of the dumbest I've seen on this thread so far.

As for controllers, at this point, I don't think competitive players NEED to learn to use a new controller. It's more like they're being FORCED due to with the new system and lack of GC support. Still all those other controller options are nice to have.

If worst comes to worst I'm moving to the Nunchuck + Wiimote.


And back into the darkness I go...