New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Ussi]

Turns out Sonic was in another fighting game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=-QPqrAEYlU4#!

i'm happy i looked into this thread just now

 

[ElvishSpirit]

my only hope is that Mewtwo has a glorious return and they don't put in another poke-flavor of the month...

But I think thats too much to ask for.

 

[augustoflores]

hahaha... thanks for the lulz kuma... anyways... unless i come across anything interesting on the net regarding smash 4 speculation, im taking a 100 page hiatus... laterz.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Holy derp, I'm bored...

Anyway, I want to know exactly which third-party characters have even a likely shot.

And now for something completely different!

P.S. DHD isn't gonna happen. Muddy Mole for Sm4sh.

 

[Deleted member]

my only hope is that Mewtwo has a glorious return and they don't put in another poke-flavor of the month...

But I think thats too much to ask for.

We will probably get our flavor of the month, but I can see Mewtwo returning.

@TheFirstPoppyBros: Sadly, there are no truly likely third-parties aside from Sonic and Snake and even they are not guarantee.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

We will probably get our flavor of the month, but I can see Mewtwo returning.

@TheFirstPoppyBros: Sadly, there are no truly likely third-parties aside from Sonic and Snake and even they are not guarantee.

In a perfect world, we'd get both.

And with your point, what about Megaman and Bomberman? I think those two are the most likely of the bunch.

And SSBF, did you get my PM?

 

[Disfunkshunal]

They were during prebrawl days but with each of their funerals approaching, their likelihood is decreasing

 

[---]

Bomberman already had his funeral (as far as I know), so sad.

Mega Man is actually still alive, heck he still has a another game on the way. Not all of them were cancelled.

But for other 3rd parties, I can only see Layton, Ryu (SF), and Ryu Hayabusa having any real shot, but for them it really depends more on the company's interest like how Snake got in.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Bomberman already had his funeral (as far as I know), so sad.

Mega Man is actually still alive, heck he still has a another game on the way. Not all of them were cancelled.

But for other 3rd parties, I can only see Layton, Ryu (SF), and Ryu Hayabusa having any real shot, but for them it really depends more on the company's interest like how Snake got in.

Well, wouldn't that actually increase Bomberman's likelihood? His games' creator probably wouldn't want to see Bomberman go out like that, so putting him in Smash is a logical choice. Plus, with Bomberman in Smash, people would want to know more about him, and would buy more Bomberman games, giving the series enough profit to possibly continue.
Smash seems to be the only place Bomberman has left.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

The only reason I say bomberman isn't dead yet is because konami may still want to do something with him. His games are fairly popular and would make a decent amount of money IMO.

@above
His creator put him up for adoption and now he's papa konami's kid and so far he has been neglectful. We can hope though.
I agree with the rest of the post

 

[Shorts]

I don't know why I argue with you. Must be an opposites attract thing.

You know what to do Kuma.

SEGA, Konami, Capcom, Square-Enix. Done.

Bomberman belongs to one of those companies. He has a better shot than Layton and that Ryu nobody.

 

[Deleted member]

@TheFirstPoppyBros: I would love both of them to be in, but with Bomberman having no games coming anytime soon and support mostly gone, I am having a hard time seeing him in. Mega Man has a decent chance and still has a game coming, but recent events keeps him from likely status as well.

I think the Bomberman series will see a revival next gen, though. Konami's is probably trying to figure out what to do with the franchise and I see Mega Man going through the same process as well.

 

[---]

SEGA, Konami, Capcom, Square-Enix. Done.

Bomberman belongs to one of those companies. He has a better shot than Layton and that Ryu nobody.

Sounds good to me, although I still think Ryu has a chance, but I'd rather not get into an unneeded 3rd party debate.


Yes, the Mega Man (franchise) still has another game on the way (Rockman Online) and Capcom recently confirmed that they already have major plans for the 25th anniversary of the franchise next year (along with SF). MM is far from dead.

 

[Shorts]

Thank you, oh great fortune teller. You do realize Bomberman's last game came out two years ago right? If it wasn't for the crappy 3DS launch, maybe Bomberman 3DS wouldn't have been cancelled.

His games aren't awesome right now, but they're out there.


@Ryu H. Bottom line, is NOT going to have the fan demand needed to get in like SE and Capcom characters would. Just, bottom line. He also isn't as connected to Smash like Sega and Konami.

 

[---]

@Ryu H. Bottom line, is NOT going to have the fan demand needed to get in like SE and Capcom characters would. Just, bottom line. He also isn't as connected to Smash like Sega and Konami.

That's why I said it was all about company interest for his inclusion, similar to how Snake got in.

I doubt he'll get in, but you never know what may happen.

 

[Deleted member]

@Shortiecanbrawl: I don't think the launch had anything to do with the cancellation, but that Bomberman moved to Konami.

 

[---]

Well for now other than Capcom maybe getting a character, I'm not expecting any other 3rd parties.

It was already a miracle that we got two to begin with, so I don't think we should be pushing our luck, including Snake or Sonic returning.

 

[Opossum]

P.S. DHD isn't gonna happen. Muddy Mole for Sm4sh.

I sense a nonbeliever. Muddy Mole has a decent shot at being the new retro character, as does the Dog. He gets a decent amount of support, he comes from a really old game created by Miyamoto himself, he has amazing moveset potential as a trap user, including the ability to dig underground. Awareness for him was raised when he was rumored to be a Brawl Assist Trophy, but sadly that didn't come to fruition. Pllus, he can use bombs, and I know how much you like bombs.


Just my semi-rant/explanation of the day. Glad to see that tensions eased from last night.

 

[Disfunkshunal]

@---
I wouldn't say mm is far from dead. It looks more like he's on life support with a very hopeful future. But I'll charge it to difference of opinion.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I doubt we are getting two third-party characters. Just because Brawl had two doesn't mean Sm4sh will.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I sense a nonbeliever. Muddy Mole has a decent shot at being the new retro character, as does the Dog. He gets a decent amount of support, he comes from a really old game created by Miyamoto himself, he has amazing moveset potential as a trap user, including the ability to dig underground. Awareness for him was raised when he was rumored to be a Brawl Assist Trophy, but sadly that didn't come to fruition. Pllus, he can use bombs, and I know how much you like bombs.


Just my semi-rant/explanation of the day. Glad to see that tensions eased from last night.

I'm not saying Muddy is a bad choice. That's the opposite of what I said. I WANT Muddy Mole in Sm4sh. I don't want DHD, though.

 

[---]

@---
I wouldn't say mm is far from dead. It looks more like he's on life support with a very hopeful future. But I'll charge it to difference of opinion.

Alright that sounds fair. He got two games cancelled, and there's no changing that.

But with plans for the future and another game coming out, his future is much brighter then what fanboys make it out to be.

I doubt we are getting two third-party characters. Just because Brawl had two doesn't mean Sm4sh will.

Agreed.

Also has there ever been a game with a recurring 3rd party before? I'm just curious as as far as I know there has not.

 

[Deleted member]

@---: As of right now, no. It is for this reason why I don't expect any third-party characters.

 

[Opossum]

I'm not saying Muddy is a bad choice. That's the opposite of what I said. I WANT Muddy Mole in Sm4sh. I don't want DHD, though.

Ahh. I see. The trollface threw me off. By the way, did you happen to see the moveset for Muddy that I made? It's still a work in progress. It still needs damage percentages, and I may adjust the Side B to use bombs. I just need to find a way to use them without copying the Links.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Alright that sounds fair. He got two games cancelled, and there's no changing that.

But with plans for the future and another game coming out, his future is much brighter then what fanboys make it out to be.



Agreed.

Also has there ever been a game with a recurring 3rd party before? I'm just curious as as far as I know there has not.

MARIO AND SONIC AT THE OLYMPICS! ON BOTH ENDS!

@Opossum: The trollface was for DHD, since I know he has some support here.
And yeah, I saw that moveset. I thought it was really good. The Final Smash was unique, and seemed kinda chaotic. You know how much I love chaos.

 

[---]

MARIO AND SONIC AT THE OLYMPICS! ON BOTH ENDS!

I forgot all about that. lol

Although I'm not sure if that counts as an exception.

EDIT: Nevermind, go with Metal Overlord's question, he stated it better than I did.

 

[Metal Overlord]

No, there hasn't, but I think a better question would be has there been any crossover series like Smash that have had recurring third-party characters.

 

[Shorts]

@Shortiecanbrawl: I don't think the launch had anything to do with the cancellation, but that Bomberman moved to Konami.

Hudson has been owned partially by Konami for a looooooong time, just so you know. Since 2000.

 

[---]

Hudson has been owned partially by Konami for a looooooong time, just so you know. Since 2000.

2000?

Well I didn't know that.

But does Bomberman even count as a Hudson character anymore or is he Konami now? If Konami, he'll have major competition from both Snake and Simon B.

 

[Opossum]

@Poppy. What would be your opinion as far as bombs go in Muddy Mole's Moveset? Should it replace the Barrel Roll, seeing as that's pretty much the only move that's been slightly fabricated? Perhaps he can roll on the bomb instead?


For anyone else who's not sure what I'm referring to, here's my Muddy Mole Moveset in its current state:

Spoiler

Muddy Mole

A: Right Claw Swipe
AA: Left Claw Swipe
AAA: Alternating claw barrage.
A Side: Muddy does a small punch.
A Up: Muddy holds his hands up like a goal post and jumps up.
A Down: Muddy gets low and kicks at the opponent’s feet.
Dash A: Muddy does a leaping somersault forward.

Smash Side: Muddy does a strong headbutt.
Smash Up: Muddy spins upward corkscrewing his claws.
Smash Down: Muddy spins low to the ground kicking up a small wave of dirt to both of his sides.

Air A: Muddy does a small midair cartwheel for weak damage.
Forward Air A: Muddy slaps the foe weakly in midair.
Backward Air A: Muddy roundhouse kicks in midair.
Up Air A: Muddy sweeps his claws in an arc.
Down Air A: Muddy kicks the opponent down with both feet. Meteor-Smash.

Grab and Pummel: Muddy grabs the foe and knees them in the torso.
Forward Throw: Muddy kicks the foe ahead of him.
Back Throw: Muddy spins the opponent and throws them back, similar to Mario.
Up Throw: Muddy digs under the foe and hits them with a tack from underneath, sending them upward.
Down Throw: Muddy slams his foe into the ground, kicking up some dirt in the process.

His Neutral B could be the iron ball. Press B once, and it spawns, and stays on the ground in front of you. You can keep it there, and it will act as an unbreakable wall. However, if you press B again when you are close to the ball, you can throw it at your opponent! It will be very slow and not very powerful at first, but if you hold B, Muddy will charge up the throw, increasing the speed, distance, and damage. However, if the opponent hits you during start up, you will drop the ball. The ball will eventually disappear if A.) Too much time passes without you throwing it, or B.) You hit the opponent. Only one Ball can be present at a time per Muddy Mole.

His Side B will be the Barrel Roll. This one was a bit of a stretch, seeing as Muddy never actually did this. However, it is creative liberty, I guess. Muddy pulls out a barrel that he uses in his game, and hops on top of it. He then speeds forward on the barrel to ram opponents. Can be a decent horizontal recovery.

His Up B would be the cabbage jump. After Muddy Mole defeats a boss in his games, he saves one of his children, who pop out of a giant cabbage that falls from the sky, and leap up with a corkscrew-like jump. Muddy would essentially do the same. A giant cabbage would surround him, and he'd pop out using a Wario-like Corkscrew. If used in Midair, the cabbage will fall to the ground, potentially doing damage, and possibly a meteor-smash. When used on land, it disappears after use. I guess you can call it a mix between Wario's and Sonic's.

Muddy Mole's Down B would be Burrow. Going underground was key in Muddy Mole's adventures, so naturally Smash should reflect that. He would dig a hole, and go underground. If used on a passable platform, he'd fall through it. While underground, he can move around very fast, but at the expense of not being able to see where he is. By releasing B, he will pop out of the hole, causing minimal damage. However, you only have a three second time frame to stay underground, otherwise you are forcefully removed from the dirt. This would make up for Muddy's lackluster aerial game.

Finally, his Final Smash would be Sundes. Another forum user gave me this idea. Sundes was a sun-based boss in Mole Mania, as the ruler of Level 2. One of his attacks involves him going supernova, so Muddy needed to get out of the way to survive by going underground. Once Muddy has the Smash Ball, he'll adjust his Sunglasses and go underground. Sundes would then appear, and go Supernova, sending a vast fiery wave across the stage. If hit, the opponent will take major damage and good knockback. It can, however, be avoided by some characters with high or multiple jumps. Muddy will the resurface and continue fighting.

 

[Deleted member]

No, there hasn't, but I think a better question would be has there been any crossover series like Smash that have had recurring third-party characters.

From what I've heard, no.

But a better question, have we ever seen a third-party get in by fan demand in other games?

 

[Deleted member]

Hudson has been owned partially by Konami for a looooooong time, just so you know. Since 2000.

I was talking about complete absorption.

 

[Shorts]

2000?

Well I didn't know that.

But does Bomberman even count as a Hudson character anymore or is he Konami now? If Konami, he'll have major competition from both Snake and Simon B.

Been there. This is where he loses. He gets A LOT further in the third party race than you give him credit for. But he ultimately loses here. Well, I suppose HE COULD make it, but I doubt it.

Snake > Simon > Bomberman

If yoou think about it, why would Konami add someone who isn't even there baby? It's their step child. Although I wholeheartedly think Bomberman is more recognizable than Simon, but whatevs.

I was talking about complete absorption.

You may be right about the game not launching because of it, but Bomberman isn't dead. Why buy something and not use it?

 

[---]

From what I've heard, no.

But a better question, have we ever seen a third-party get in by fan demand in other games?

Not that I know of. Unless anyone notices something that I didn't.

From what I can tell it's all about company interest.

@Shortie: Well Bomberman is arguably more known than Snake, so you never know.

 

[Shorts]

What about Phoenix balls?

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

From what I've heard, no.

But a better question, have we ever seen a third-party get in by fan demand in other games?

Sonic did. In Brawl.

 

[Deleted member]

Sonic did. In Brawl.

I was looking for examples outside of Brawl.

If there are no other, perhaps this game could be the first to have them.

 

[Metal Overlord]

From what I've heard, no.

But a better question, have we ever seen a third-party get in by fan demand in other games?

No.

10bulmas

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I was looking for examples outside of Brawl.

If there are no other, perhaps this game could be the first to have them.

OH. Well... Um... I think... Ah... No. I can't think of any aside from Brawl.

@Opossum: I think either idea is fine. They're both original, creative, and fun. But if I had to choose... I'd say let him roll on the bomb.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'm pretty sure Sonic was the only real one. Although Kratos was wanted in SCIV according to the TVTropes wiki, and got into Broken Destiny, but I can't confirm that.

Anyway, was Muddy Mole a character from Super Mario Bros. series? If soooooo... I'd rather have DHD myself. Only because I'd rather have a retro character from a different series. I admit, Muddy Mole has a better moveset choice, but DHD is pretty damn iconic in the first place.