New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I won't give up on the best version of him. Honestly, he's the only with actual Character Development. The rest were generic bad guys. Hell, Zant was better than TP Ganondorf. Atleast he had a real personality.

 

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@Hyperfalcon: Well there's always hope, just look at me and my shiny spoon.

Anyway I'm not so sure that this new game is another remake just yet. Either way, I don't think we'll get Young over Toon.

 

[Oasis_S]

And all of that hardly means a thing PERTAINING to Smash. He has nothing going for him.

The safest bet is that we'll get an ever-cloned Ganondorf with a new design to make him fit in with his fellow Skyward Sword designed friends Link and Zelda.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If they don't make a concept art for SS Ganondorf, they have no reason to use it. We'll just see one of the current 3 versions of Ganondorf, clone or not. Also, as I said, if he DOESN'T appear in SS, why make up a design on the spot? In fact, if they bring back Young Link, they either make him Toon Ganondorf or OOT Ganondorf and he'd fit in. Also, I doubt we'll see a new design for Sheik. Somewhat of a speculation, but Sheik wasn't announced till after there was a TP Concept Art of her. That means she might not have made it in Brawl in the first place.

@Try-Hyphen: Thanks.

I still expect character removals this time around. But DLC will bring 'em back.

 

[yani_]

Skyward Sword may not have Ganondorf, therefore, a Ganondorf from there is invalid.

That only leaves Toon Ganondorf as a playable character unless they re-use his other two models. But then again, two swords are better than one and would indefinitely make a more original moveset than yet another one sword user.

Two swords are also better than none

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Two swords are also better than none

Yes, and the only iterations that has had two swords are WW Ganondorf, and OOT Ganon. Since GANONDORF is the playable character, that leaves WW for two swords.(unless they give him his White Sword and the other one he normally uses in TP) That might be acceptable. I forget the name of it, but it's the sword he uses in a taunt.

 

[Big-Cat]

I say they give Link, Zelda, and Sheik (because she's part of Zelda) the SS look. Give Toon Link and Ganondorf the WW look (my personal favorite for Ganondorf). This allows them to use that really cool twin sword style Ganondorf has that no one else besides Pit (and that's a certain stretch) has really used.

That or they put all the characters in the roster under some distinct art style, like how the promotional art was for the SSB characters, but still use the two sword fighting style Ganondorf has in Wind Waker.

I'm not saying to use this specific style, but it has been done before so they could aim to do another look that also isn't reminiscent of Kirby.

 

[yani_]

Yes, and the only iterations that has had two swords are WW Ganondorf, and OOT Ganon. Since GANONDORF is the playable character, that leaves WW for two swords.(unless they give him his White Sword and the other one he normally uses in TP) That might be acceptable. I forget the name of it, but it's the sword he uses in a taunt.

I'd be cool with WW Ganondorf, but OoT Ganondorf is the best looking IMO. If they keep OoT Ganondorf it would be cool if they made his final smash Ganon with the two swords

I say they give Link, Zelda, and Sheik (because she's part of Zelda) the SS look. Give Toon Link and Ganondorf the WW look (my personal favorite for Ganondorf). This allows them to use that really cool twin sword style Ganondorf has that no one else besides Pit (and that's a certain stretch) has really used.

That or they put all the characters in the roster under some distinct art style, like how the promotional art was for the SSB characters, but still use the two sword fighting style Ganondorf has in Wind Waker.

I'm not saying to use this specific style, but it has been done before so they could aim to do another look that also isn't reminiscent of Kirby.

If they give everyone a distinct art style I feel like it would take away from their origins :/

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

If they make concept art for SS Sheik, that is. Otherwise, they'll stick with what they know.

Also, yay for more Toon Ganondorf supporters!

I'd be cool with WW Ganondorf, but OoT Ganondorf is the best looking IMO. If they keep OoT Ganondorf it would be cool if they made his final smash Ganon with the two swords

I wasn't referring to best looking. And I do agree there. But when it comes to movesets, it's usually better to try and be somewhat accurate to the current version. No, I don't expect OOT Ganondorf to drip green blood anytime soon.

 

[OmegaXXII]

JavaCroc: Cat
SSBF: Wolf
Iblis: Fox ( o.O How do you fit the personality so well!?)
Oasis: Monkey
Chronobound: Owl
Augustoflores: Goat
Shined-echi: Dog

Kuma: Panda (your avater might have affected me on that one)
Metal Overlord: Eagle
Hyperfalcon: Falcon (o.O)
Kantrip: Frog

Star: Crane
Berserker: A really nice bull.
Shortie: A calm snake
Mario_SonicGuy: Dolphin
Diddy Kong: Chimpanzee

---: Lizard
Opossum: Possum!

Johnknight: Cod
Omega: A different TYPE of cat to Java
Opelucid: Hummingbird
FirstPoppyBro: Hmm, don't see a lot of you. Will you accept shark?

Smashchu: Lion
Asage: Mouse

Toise: Bear
Y.toonlink: Kangaroo
Yani: Another one i don't see a lot. Tiger, perhaps?

Luco: Rabbit


Btw look for the best qualities in each one, or get in the spirit of it. For instance Kuma was obviously a Panda because of his avatar, and Chronobound is a wise owl who has been around the boards for a long time.

NO, NO NO!! I'm not a cat, I should be a ferocious dragon since I'm feared by many.

Also, hello peeps.

 

[Oasis_S]

If they don't make a concept art for SS Ganondorf, they have no reason to use it. We'll just see one of the current 3 versions of Ganondorf, clone or not. Also, as I said, if he DOESN'T appear in SS, why make up a design on the spot? In fact, if they bring back Young Link, they either make him Toon Ganondorf or OOT Ganondorf and he'd fit in. Also, I doubt we'll see a new design for Sheik. Somewhat of a speculation, but Sheik wasn't announced till after there was a TP Concept Art of her. That means she might not have made it in Brawl in the first place.

Actually, OoT Ganondorf slipped my mind. They may tweak that a bit to have it fit in with Link and Zelda considering it's the most recent design due to the remake. Still, considering Ganondorf is Ganondorf, they MORE THAN LIKELY thought it would be a good idea to draw up some art of him during the conceptual stages of Skyward Sword JUST IN CASE. I mean, if SHEIK got some concept art for Twilight Princess, you can bet Ganondorf has some for Skyward Sword.

This is all a bit trivial I guess. But Toon Ganondorf still doesn't have anything going for him.


Omega is a platypus since he gives lulz to many.

 

[Big-Cat]

If they give everyone a distinct art style I feel like it would take away from their origins :/

I can see what you mean, but this was merely a suggestion. My ideal look is to go with a hologram motif based off of the AR cards. This was, every one can retain their distinct art styles to better emphasize the crossover nature. I'd love to see Mario and Peach have the cartoony look, Donkey Kong has the DKCR look, Link and Zelda with that gorgeous SS look, Toon Link properly cel-shaded. All in all, I'd like to not see realistic details in character models unless the character already had them (i.e. Snake, the fur on the SF characters, etc.).

 

[OmegaXXII]

What's this!! A Toon Ganon debate? oasis being a throwdown towards a character again? Oh boy this will be good.

 

[Big-Cat]

I might come up with a special moveset for Dual Sword Ganondorf later tonight.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Actually, OoT Ganondorf slipped my mind. They may tweak that a bit to have it fit in with Link and Zelda considering it's the most recent design due to the remake. Still, considering Ganondorf is Ganondorf, they MORE THAN LIKELY thought it would be a good idea to draw up some art of him during the conceptual stages of Skyward Sword JUST IN CASE. I mean, if SHEIK got some concept art for Twilight Princess, you can bet Ganondorf has some for Skyward Sword.

This is all a bit trivial I guess. But Toon Ganondorf still doesn't have anything going for him.


Omega is a platypus since he gives lulz to many.

Toon Ganondorf has two swords, and was the only Ganondorf with any real personality. He's more popular than you think.

Also, we may see OOT Ganondorf again, true. Although I think Young Link is more likely due to two games coming out starring him mainly.(with Adult Link already in SS) Also, that's only IF they draw Concept Art for SS Ganondorf. Likewise, they said he isn't planned to be in.

When putting in Zelda, Sheik is always an option. When putting in Ganon, Ganondorf is an option. If Ganondorf nor Ganon are planned for either game... concept art is iffy.

@Kuma: Totally agreed on the look department. Also, moveset, yessssss. I only ever made an OOT-based moveset.

 

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NO, NO NO!! I'm not a cat, I should be a ferocious dragon since I'm feared by many.

Also, hello peeps.

Hi.

A dragon? Well I'll keep that in mind when I start working on my FE list.

By the way who got pranked?

 

[Big-Cat]

Yeah, I didn't see Furrybound on the members list.

I think the remakes aren't going to affect the look of this and that character.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Hi.

A dragon? Well I'll keep that in mind when I start working on my FE list.

By the way who got pranked?

FE List?Man I've really been out of this thread way too long now.

Pranked!? Hmm...I totally forgot, well, check the discussion thread on. Few to see who got (is going to) get pranked.

 

[---]

I think the remakes aren't going to affect the look of this and that character.

Agreed.


Also maybe it was us who were pranked by Omega into thinking someone would be pranked?! Genius!


@Omega: Don't worry, other then making Oasis the Burger Knight, I haven't started working on it.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Agreed.


Also maybe it was us who were pranked by Omega into thinking someone would be pranked?! Genius!

Hehe, I guess you could say you guys (everyone) did get pranked by me instead of one.

but nah, I'm for real, also, I should remove Starphoenix's color.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

They could, Kuma. Saying they won't is silly. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Nobody knows.

Also, it's not like it would make a difference to Toon or Young Link anyway. Apparently no matter what he looks like, he's thought of as being a clone.

 

[Oasis_S]

Toon Ganondorf has two swords, and was the only Ganondorf with any real personality. He's more popular than you think.

Also, we may see OOT Ganondorf again, true. Although I think Young Link is more likely due to two games coming out starring him mainly.(with Adult Link already in SS) Also, that's only IF they draw Concept Art for SS Ganondorf. Likewise, they said he isn't planned to be in.

When putting in Zelda, Sheik is always an option. When putting in Ganon, Ganondorf is an option. If Ganondorf nor Ganon are planned for either game... concept art is iffy.

@Kuma: Totally agreed on the look department. Also, moveset, yessssss. I only ever made an OOT-based moveset.

Did I say he was unpopular? I wouldn't I mention something that has no bearings on the situation.

If you're whole point is that Ganondorf may not have SS concept art, then that's a losing battle. And even if he doesn't, it's not hard to come up with a new design. They had fun coming up with new designs in Brawl if you'll notice. If they're going to use an old design as a basis, then Toon Ganondorf is probably the last one they'd choose. I suppose that would be an argument on relevancy. You seem to think Young Link is coming back, so I guess you wouldn't argue against that point anyhow.

 

[Big-Cat]

They could, Kuma. Saying they won't is silly. Maybe they will, maybe they won't. Nobody knows.

Also, it's not like it would make a difference to Toon or Young Link anyway. Apparently no matter what he looks like, he's thought of as being a clone.

Well, it depends on how the developers see it. Assuming they decide to give the Child Link a unique moveset, it MIGHT depend on the look they give him.

For the Toon Ganondorf moveset, I'm thinking of a rekka, a demon flip, a stunning parry (think Focus Attack, but more parry like), and Lloyd's Tempest.

 

[yani_]

Oasis is on a tROll right now

 

[Color Man EXE]

So in the Subspace Emissary, Tabuu has been defeated by Mario, Sonic, Snake, and others. I bet that wasn't Tabuu at all. Maybe, it was something else. I'm just thinking if there was something else instead of Tabuu.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well, it depends on how the developers see it. Assuming they decide to give the Child Link a unique moveset, it MIGHT depend on the look they give him.

For the Toon Ganondorf moveset, I'm thinking of a rekka, a demon flip, a stunning parry (think Focus Attack, but more parry like), and Lloyd's Tempest.

That's what I mean. I'm not assuming anything, just saying that the remakes give reasonable chances that Young Link may return, that's all.

And I love the moveset ideas.

So in the Subspace Emissary, Tabuu has been defeated by Mario, Sonic, Snake, and others. I bet that wasn't Tabuu at all. Maybe, it was something else. I'm just thinking if there was something else instead of Tabuu.

Marx

 

[OmegaXXII]

Oasisalways trolls, that isn't new.

 

[Oasis_S]

What does Shorts see in me. I always get caught up in the trivial debates.

@Tryphen: I'm pretty sure he had help coming up with it. Some big name. Don't remember who. Maybe you remember, but there was that joke about some characters on a bus heading to a stadium, with Snake watching behind a bush or something? DOES THAT JAR ANY MEMORIES.

 

[---]

So in the Subspace Emissary, Tabuu has been defeated by Mario, Sonic, Snake, and others. I bet that wasn't Tabuu at all. Maybe, it was something else. I'm just thinking if there was something else instead of Tabuu.

I'm pretty sure that was Tabuu himself, although who knows what's going on in Sakurai's mind with the SSE plot (if I remember correctly, he wasn't the one who came up with it).

Anyway I'm almost positive that we'll see Tabuu again in SSB4.

 

[OmegaXXII]

What does Shorts see in me. I always get caught up in the trivial debates.

Implying you are in the wrong.

Both You and Shorty seem inseperable, hehe, what about Mach Rider? Where's the love for him?

Also, what have I've missed? Any cool debates/news?

 

[Big-Cat]

I'd like to pretend Tabuu didn't happen, even if I did make that epic GMV based on the SSE.

Now for the dual-sword Ganondorf moveset.

B: Gerudo Flip
This is a mix of Cammy's Hooligan Combination and Akuma's Demon Flip/Hyakkishu. This move is one of Ganondorf's best ways to approach as his speed isn't great. This move starts with Ganondorf flipping in the air toward the opponent. Here are the inputs for the types of attacks he gets while in this state:

B: Stab to behind, to counter anyone trying to roll to get behind him.
Side B: Grabs the opponent's head and knocks them to the ground with a ground bounce. Counters blocking.
Down B: Does an inward strike with both swords while diving in. Counters anyone rolling back to evade.
Up B: Stabs forward, countering anyone jumping away.
A: Cancel out of the jump, can be used to counter spot dodgers. Allows you to use any attack available to you.

Doing nothing just gives you a nice forward jump.

Side B: This move is a rekka type attack like Marth's Sword Dance.
The first move is a low swing to the ground. This move is safe on block and a nice spacing tool as Ganondorf moves a bit for this move. The second hit is Ganondorf lauching the opponent into the air with him following up and then here comes the fun part. Depending on what you want to have for your reward, there are three options you can choose from:

Hit #3:
Up-Side B: Ganondorf does a fierce attack that sends the opponent straight up in the air. Used as an aerial reset as Ganondorf, if done from the ground, can go straight into a double jump to keep on the offensive.
Side B: Strong dual stab that sends the opponent flying horizontally. Used for horizontal K.O.s and to regain control of the stage. This is the strongest of the three outcomes as no mixup potential is available from this.
Down-Side B: A downward strike to the opponent. At higher percentages, this can spike. Other than that, this can be used like Side B, but with the bonus of having a tech chase.

Down B: Big Mistake
Ganondorf enters a parry stance and if attacked, he grabs the opponent, whether they're in the air or not, and does the famous choke move in Brawl. Has all of the followups you've seen in assorted mods. The biggest weakpoints for this move is that it's weak against grabs and cross-up attacks like Fox Illusion and aerials that leave the opponent out of Ganondorf's grab range.

Up B: Winds of Death
This move is essentially like MvC3 Jill's Machine Gun Spray hyper. Ganondorf takes a leap, doing a slide flip with both swords extended. If the last hit lands, you get a ground bounce.

Ganondorf is still a heavy hitter, but now he has the range, mobility options, and the mixups to compensate. He has great horizontal recovery for a heavy character, but his vertical recovery is lacking as a result.

I'm surprised I managed to come up with that while keeping it very Smash-like.

 

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@Kuma: Not bad. You should work on potential movesets more often.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'd like to pretend Tabuu didn't happen, even if I did make that epic GMV based on the SSE.

Now for the dual-sword Ganondorf moveset.

B: Gerudo Flip
This is a mix of Cammy's Hooligan Combination and Akuma's Demon Flip/Hyakkishu. This move is one of Ganondorf's best ways to approach as his speed isn't great. This move starts with Ganondorf flipping in the air toward the opponent. Here are the inputs for the types of attacks he gets while in this state:

B: Stab to behind, to counter anyone trying to roll to get behind him.
Side B: Grabs the opponent's head and knocks them to the ground with a ground bounce. Counters blocking.
Down B: Does an inward strike with both swords while diving in. Counters anyone rolling back to evade.
Up B: Stabs forward, countering anyone jumping away.
A: Cancel out of the jump, can be used to counter spot dodgers. Allows you to use any attack available to you.

Doing nothing just gives you a nice forward jump.

Side B: This move is a rekka type attack like Marth's Sword Dance.
The first move is a low swing to the ground. This move is safe on block and a nice spacing tool as Ganondorf moves a bit for this move. The second hit is Ganondorf lauching the opponent into the air with him following up and then here comes the fun part. Depending on what you want to have for your reward, there are three options you can choose from:

Hit #3:
Up-Side B: Ganondorf does a fierce attack that sends the opponent straight up in the air. Used as an aerial reset as Ganondorf, if done from the ground, can go straight into a double jump to keep on the offensive.
Side B: Strong dual stab that sends the opponent flying horizontally. Used for horizontal K.O.s and to regain control of the stage. This is the strongest of the three outcomes as no mixup potential is available from this.
Down-Side B: A downward strike to the opponent. At higher percentages, this can spike. Other than that, this can be used like Side B, but with the bonus of having a tech chase.

Down B: Big Mistake
Ganondorf enters a parry stance and if attacked, he grabs the opponent, whether they're in the air or not, and does the famous choke move in Brawl. Has all of the followups you've seen in assorted mods. The biggest weakpoints for this move is that it's weak against grabs and cross-up attacks like Fox Illusion and aerials that leave the opponent out of Ganondorf's grab range.

Up B: Winds of Death
This move is essentially like MvC3 Jill's Machine Gun Spray hyper. Ganondorf takes a leap, doing a slide flip with both swords extended. If the last hit lands, you get a ground bounce.

Ganondorf is still a heavy hitter, but now he has the range, mobility options, and the mixups to compensate. He has great horizontal recovery for a heavy character, but his vertical recovery is lacking as a result.

I'm surprised I managed to come up with that while keeping it very Smash-like.

Very nice, man. Now his A moves.

 

[Big-Cat]

@Kuma: Not bad. You should work on potential movesets more often.

Thanks. I wanted to give Ganondorf things like followup moves since that is in tune to what you'd expect from a twin sword user (hence the rekka).

If I were to do an A move list set, it'd be under the assumption of using a chain system like Lucario's in Project M.

 

[Drclaw411]

i really don't get why Sakurai has shied away from alt costumes. I'm thinking of Mario's various power ups as alt costumes, yarn kirby, young link, retro and werehog sonic. I think it'd be a nice touch.

 

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Thanks. I wanted to give Ganondorf things like followup moves since that is in tune to what you'd expect from a twin sword user (hence the rekka).

If I were to do an A move list set, it'd be under the assumption of using a chain system like Lucario's in Project M.

I must say it's fun to look at other fighting games for moveset ideas. It doesn't change the gameplay, but at the same time it opens up several different opportunities to have a more diverse cast and better balance over all.

i really don't get why Sakurai has shied away from alt costumes. I'm thinking of Mario's various power ups as alt costumes, yarn kirby, young link, retro and werehog sonic. I think it'd be a nice touch.

Alternate costumes? We got into that once but other then Wario and maybe MM (helmetless), it really would depend on how they're handled.

 

[nLiM8d]

So hey, who here is still hyped about the new game's development?

I've given up on the notion somewhat, but have a newfound interest.
Sure we talk about whats reasonable or foreseeable, yet for some reason I don't think that's what keeps us coming back to the discussion.

It'd be pretty cool to know what that is from different perspectives.

Ps. thanks for the welcome, to those who still remember me.

 

[Sunnysunny]

@Sunnysunny: The point was their most well known healing item, not whether a Trainer or not can use it.

SUPER! But thats a bad idea for these reasons.
Canonly they can't be used by pokemon alone. Potions wouldn't make since That and. Seriously? Its a generic potion dude. There used in every game ever made as a healing item. Sitrus berrys are more iconic.

 

[Oasis_S]

Why don't you look at some Kirby games for inspiration, Kuma?

Incidentally, R.O.B. looks to have a bit of Laser and Jet Kirby in him.

 

[Big-Cat]

I must say it's fun to look at other fighting games for moveset ideas. It doesn't change the gameplay, but at the same time it opens up several different opportunities to have a more diverse cast and better balance over all.

Indeed. It's the best of both worlds. That being said, I still want to see traditional blocking and tech grabbing in the next game to make the cast more diverse. Funny thing is, the flip and the rekka's properties wouldn't change much, if at all, if we include high-low blocking.

On another topic, I watched a little bit of footage from TMNT Smash-Up and it reminded me how these other platform fighters still use health bars for the most part while not emphasizing the sumo-like gameplay Smash is known for.

@Oasis
I'm doing out of spite against SmashChu.