New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'd like to note Cream is a Game Breaker in Sonic Battle. She's more than viable enough. Albeit, a horrible choice compared to other more important characters. She's amongst the secondary characters along with all of Team Chaotix(discounting Ray and Mighty), Big, Rouge, Omega, Jet, Storm, and Wave.

And yeah, Genesect for the win!

 

[Kantrip]

Kantrip's Roster

Mario Franchise
-Mario
-Luigi
-Bowser
-Peach
-Toad

Yoshi Franchise
-Yoshi

Wario Franchise
-Wario

Donkey Kong Franchise
-Donkey Kong
-Diddy Kong
-King K. Rool
-Dixie Kong

Legend of Zelda Franchise
-Link
-Toon Link
-Ganondorf
-Zelda/Sheik

Kirby Franchise
-Kirby
-Meta Knight
-King Dedede
-Prince Fluff

Starfox Franchise
-Fox
-Falco
-Wolf

Metroid Franchise
-Samus
-Zero Suit Samus
-Ridley

Pokémon Franchise
-Pokémon Trainer
-Pikachu
-Mewtwo
-Jigglypuff
-Lucario
-Victini

Mother Franchise
-Ness
-Lucas
-The Masked Man

Fire Emblem Franchise
-Marth
-Ike
-The Black Knight

F-Zero Franchise
-Captain Falcon
-Samurai Goroh

Other Franchises
-Ice Climbers
-Mr. Game and Watch
-R.O.B.
-Olimar
-Pit
-Medusa
-Little Mac
-Isaac

Third Party Franchises
-Sonic
-Snake

This roster was made with my philosophies on character inclusion by franchise and then by self-merit. All major franchises (when applicable) have characters listed as
-Protagonist
-Secondary to Protagonist
-Antagonist
-Female Role/Supporting Character
-Supporting Character
-Supporting Character

NOTE: This roster has one "floating" slot that I am leaving open pending my looking into other small franchises/retro franchises. A third party is also a possibility for this slot.

 

[Shorts]

Kantrip, would you like me to tackle this bad boy? Much more interesting than Oasis and Steams. (Sorry guys! You make predictable rosters ^.^)

OH, and if you want me to take a depthy look at it, PLEASE fill the floating slot (If anything, just specifically for me), or not have it at all.

 

[Kantrip]

Sure, you can take a look at my roster

For all intents and purposes, fill the floating slot with Tingle (under "Other Franchises", as he would have his own logo [a rupee]).

 

[OmegaXXII]

Yeah, more time is less of an excuse to put it in.

 

[Johnknight1]

I'd like to note Cream is a Game Breaker in Sonic Battle. She's more than viable enough. Albeit, a horrible choice compared to other more important characters. She's amongst the secondary characters along with all of Team Chaotix(discounting Ray and Mighty), Big, Rouge, Omega, Jet, Storm, and Wave.

And yeah, Genesect for the win!

I kinda like the Chaotix, before they started just being there for the sake of being there (minus the Bee thing, which was semi-annoying).

Silver is the worst though. He's like a Jet clone, who is a Shadow clone (he was only good in SA2, and maybe Heroes), who is a Metal Sonic clone (Metal Sonic rules!), who is a clone of Sonic and Knuckles and Dr. Eggman breeded together (willingly or unwillingly).

 

[OmegaXXII]

@Kantrip- Lets see, Chrome is tge new FE-13 lord who just got announced last month so The Black Knight loses alot of relevancy and popularity, also Roy is mire popular in Japan and is highly demanded so instead of The Black Knight add: Roy or Chrome.

 

[Berserker.]

Hey shorts! Can you rate my roster?

Mario universe:
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Toad

Zelda universe:
Link
Zelda/Shiek
Ganondorf
Toon Link

Donkey Kong universe:
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
K Rool

Yoshi universe:
Yoshi

Metroid universe:
Samus/Zero suit
Ridley

Kirby universe:
Kirby
Meta Knight
King Dedede

Star Fox universe:
Fox
Falco
Wolf

Pokemon universe:
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Victini
Pokemon trainer

F - Zero universe:
Captain Falcon
Samurai Goroh

Earthbound universe:
Ness
Lucas

Fire Emblem universe:
Marth
Chrome

Wario universe:
Wario

Pikmin universe:
Olimar

Punch-out universe:
Little Mac

Kid Icarus universe:
Pit
Medusa

Retro/Nintendo universe:
Game and Watch
Ice Climbers
ROB

Sin and Punishment:
Saki

Xenoblade universe:
Shulk

3rd party:
None for now... (Snake, Sonic and Megaman)

 

[OmegaXXII]

@Kantrip: Also, since Megaman is a highly requested character and demanded, you should add him, Slime or Professor Layton since those 3 are the most probable 3rd party reps, but Megaman being the most likely to show.

 

[Kantrip]

@Kantrip- Lets see, Chrome is tge new FE-13 lord who just got announced last month so The Bkack Knight loses alot of relevancy and popularity, also Roy is mire popular in Japan and is highly demanded so instead of The Black Knight add: Roy or Chrome.

I am not adding Chrome preemptively. Roy is more likely than The Black Knight, but I said "shove it, this is MY roster" and told Roy to come back when he had any redeeming factors. I don't personally like Chrome, nor do I think he deserves a slot. He looks like the next in the factory line of blue-haired swordies.

Wrt 3rd parties: I would add Megaman if I were to put a new 3rd party in, and he would take my "floating" slot. I like Layton as an awesome character, and Slime is pretty cool too, but they just didn't make the cut when it came down to me aiming for 50 slots.

 

[OmegaXXII]

@Kantrip: At ths point I don't think we'll be getting a fourth Kirby slot, especially it being Prince Pluff, it's likely to stay at 3 reps.

 

[Johnknight1]

As for rosters, I'm not gonna have a super ultra ready one until maybe May. We all should wait to formulate a proper (mad) scientific formula that can properly antiquate the roster situational issues, and the proportional chemical roster balance of smash bros. my good dears.

*stops talking fancy*

Basically, until we got a full "Feel" for where the roster is going. It's like picking a Super Bowl winner in the pre-season. Wait until you see where the team is, wait and see if you "feel" any of that potential magic for something great to happen, and wait to see if you could guess where things are headed. That is how I have guessed 10 of the 11 of the past Super Bowl winners correctly before the "big game." I could feel the something special brewing on one side (the one time I was wrong was the Cardinals-Steelers Super Bowl, which was the closest and hardest for me to guess).

I'm sure Sakurai is going to do more interviews, and possibly even give away some information (purposefully or accidentally) on his twitter account like everyone else does.

@ berserker
8/10. Too little Pocket Monsters is my biggest complaint. There's gonna be more than 6 Pokémon. Heck, there have been 2 more from each smash bros. game to the next (2 in Smash 64, 4 in Melee, 6 in Brawl). That's my biggest complaint.

No Ike, too many minor supporting characters (especially over Ike and Paper Mario), and no specific 3rd party characters also hurts. I want to see more "main characters" like Ike and Paper Mario, and less random supporting characters from very minor franchises like Medusa (given that the likes of the much more popular Mewtwo, Ike, Lucario, etc wouldn't make it on your roster).

I wanna see people take chances with their 3rd party slots. Last game around it was Geno (as the "chance" 3rd party character). We don't have that kind of character yet. It could be Geno again, it could be Pac-Man. Mega Man is definitely seeming more and more likely.

 

[Kantrip]

That's fair enough.

Kirby is the 5th franchise in my eyes, after Mario, Pokemon, LoZ, and Donkey Kong. Prince Fluff would have been the next Olimar or something had his game gone as originally intended, and I have taken a recent liking to the awesomeness that is that character (it's just a lot of uniqueness added to the roster at once).

I'll admit, a stage and some music tracks is a lot more of a likely outcome for the epic yarn game. Bias slots though, you know. Everyone has them

 

[Johnknight1]

Kirby's sales is about equal with Metroid, and it's popularity currently is probably a bit less than Metroid's. Either way, it is more popular than Metroid in Japan.

However, the Game and Watch series sold about 50 million units (more than every Nintendo franchise that isn't Zelda, Pokémon, or Mario), which is always fun to mention! :D

As for smash, clearly the character priority is:
1. Pokémon: Tons of unique creatures to choose from, that are always very popular.
2. Mario: Few additions are needed, but the 4 icons (Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser, and to an extent Donkey Kong, Yoshi, and Wario) are superstars in gaming.
3. Kirby: Three main characters that are beloved (except Meta Knight in Brawl).

Some weird race for 4th:
-Donkey Kong: Revived classic franchise with a ton of unique characters. Bigger than Kirby, but under represented because of lack of popularity post-2001. Still bigger than Star (Furry) Fox.
-Star Fox: For no reason other than Sakurai is a furry, and they make easy clones.
-Fire Emblem: Because Sakurai like buff European/Asian guys with swords, Medieval folklore, and boys who look like girls who talk Japanese only.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Man, gonna do my own tricked out roster right now.

 

[Johnknight1]

Eh, I've done a few rough drafts, and I will do more. Anyways, later skaters. I'ma headed to bed.

Your friend always,
~His Knightliness Himself~,
---John"knight1" Watson

 

[Shorts]

Roster Designer: Kantrip 10/14/11

Okay, let’s get our hands dirty.

Mario Franchise: Mario, Luigi, Peach, Bowser, Toad, Yoshi, Wario

- All is well. By now, I think I’ve made myself pretty clear on how I feel about additions to the Mario roster. You can basically add to Wario, or Mario and I’ll be happy with it. Within reason of course. OR you can totally add no one, and I’ll be fine with it. Toad is an all-around good pick, so 5/5.

- Again, Syrup or Mona, OR EVEN Ashley could have worked. If you argued for Kamek well, I might be okay with him. But, leaving them out is perfectly fine.

Donkey Kong Franchise: Donkey Kong, Diddy Kong, King K. Rool, Dixie Kong

- Finally! Dixie arrives. Along with K. Rool. You picked wisely, and made up for the lack of Wario characters. Knowingly or not, you moved a slot I would like to see, to another series, and made me happy. 5.5/5 NOT because you simply added Dixie, but because you did so in a smart fashion.

LoZ Franchise: Link, Zelda/Sheik, Ganondorf, Toon Link

- FINE. Adding no one is a good choice, a very good choice. My complaint is this: You’re adding new characters to every franchise, but not to this one AND you don’t go out of your way to say “Ganon will be non clone, and Toon Link will be luigified”. It sort of feels wrong to me to add so much filler, but not do anything with this series. 3.5/5 for this decision, based on your philosophy of course.

Kirby Franchise: Kirby, King Dedede, Meta Knight, Prince Fluff

- Okay, here is where a deeply rooted problem in your philosophy begins to rear its ugly head. You will see more of it later on. So, you added Prince Fluff, based on your Philosphy, this is a good idea, but based on mine, through the lense of yours you have some problems. Prince Fluff, is such a Sheik. Sheik was a one time addition, from one of the best games of all time. Prince Fluff is a (cool) one time addition from the easiest game of all time…. I just don’t see how you can justify adding hi, instead of another Small Franchise character. 3/5 for that.

Fire Emblem Franchise: Marth, Ike, Black Knight

- Okay, so you picked a non-main character that’s fine. Black Knight is an OKAY choice. He isn’t a Roy, but okay. Again, this addition is going to bite you somewhere else later on. 4/5 because it’s a good choice, but not the BEST choice.

Pokemon Franchise: Pikachu, Jigglypuff, Pokemon Trainer, Lucario, Mewtwo, Victini

- Long story short, that’s a lot of Pokemon. Your roster is already wonky in terms of slots anyway, so it doesn’t stick out TOO BAD, just… I would prefer it if you either, lost Pokemon trainer, and added a single Pokemon, OR lost Lucario/Mewtwo. 4/5, not the WORST mistake, but could have been better.

Mother & Metroid: Ness, Lucas, Masked Man, Samus, ZSS, Ridley

- These two series have the same character count…..fine. Like I said, your roster is warped in terms of franchise representation. It’s not a GREAT add, but not a bad one. Masked Man, specifically. Ridley is a great add. 8/10 because of Masked Man.

F-Zero & StarFox: Captain Falcon, Samurai Goroh, Fox, Falco, Wolf

- Here is where I’m going to bust you. Why can you add Prince Fluff, and Black Knight, but not Krystal? UNLIKE those two, she spans across the majority of her series’s games, and plays BOTH the Secondary character and Female lead role. She is a Falco, with the female/love interest. She is a better choice than Prince Fluff. A ridiculously much better choice. Oh, F-Zero looks good by the way. 6.5/10 (Not for your choices per se, but more for the major hole in your philosophy)

Smaller franchises: IC’s, ROB, Game&Watch, Olimar, Pit, Medusa, Little Mac, Isaac, Tingle

- Dandy. You put Tingle here, which is a good choice. You didn’t overlap on character playstyles really, which is good. Decent choices all around. The major problem I have is the LACK of a new retro. For THAT, I give you an 8/10. Good choices, just a minor goof.

Third Party franchises: Sonic, Snake

- Good Boy. 5/5

OVERALL APPEARANCE: If you’re going to go big with the newcomers to existing franchises, fine, just do it well. You didn’t do it perfectly, you had some bumps, but other than that, this roster is a decent one. I would have liked to see a retro, and maybe another Small franchise besides Tingle, Isaac, and Little Mac make it in.

Kantrip, you made an interesting roster that isn’t too bad.

Add all your scores up to find your shorts percentage ;D

 

[OmegaXXII]

Hehe, it's a good idea to do this now and leave it untouched, this will be my version 1.1 and compare that years down the line when it gets realeased.

 

[Kantrip]

Heh. You got me there and then pegged me hard for Prince Fluff, hehe

I mostly got points off for bias in my eye, so I'll take it as you love my roster but don't like bias

(disclusing Krystal and adding Prince Fluff are major bias. I would have added Cranky Kong and Animal Buddies too, but that's a joke)

By the way, ganon will be a non-clone, and toon link will be luigified

 

[Shorts]

Heh. You got me there and then pegged me hard for Prince Fluff, hehe

I mostly got points off for bias in my eye, so I'll take it as you love my roster but don't like bias

(disclusing Krystal and adding Prince Fluff are major bias. I would have added Cranky Kong and Animal Buddies too, but that's a joke)

By the way, ganon will be a non-clone, and toon link will be luigified

Ideally, your philosophy is a good one, you just had a hole in it this time around, which can be fixed. I don't mind bias, so long as it makes sense. I mean, if you can convince me Kamek is a good idea, I'll give you a good score.

As for LoZ, I just don't like it being the only major series NOT CHANGING AT ALL. So a simple *These two will be even further decloned* is enough for me to give out a 5/5.

Like I said, you have good ideas, and an interesting Philosophy, you just need to work on it a tad.

 

[Kantrip]

Sure thing. When I finally narrow down my refined roster, it will be free of bias as well.

Thanks for taking the time to review it

 

[Shorts]

No problem, I like doing it. (:

BERSERKERRRR Yes I will, in the morning...which means like two or three tomorrow afternoon. BUT I WILL DO IT. Just give me time~

 

[Oasis_S]

...So far the only things I can bring myself to do to my roster is IFFILY remove Toon Link and add Tingle, and then cut Shulk. ...For no one. Need to uh... figure out what to do with that space. Can't in good conscience add Bowser Jr., Krystal, Palutena, or Dixie.

Or Porky, actually. Been leaning toward him lately.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Ganon should definetly be unique, either with a sword or have his dark magic incorporated.

Porky or Masked Man? Well people say Masked Man looks and would be similar to Meta-Knight, however, I feel he would still be unique regardless.

 

[Shorts]

...So far the only things I can bring myself to do to my roster is IFFILY remove Toon Link and add Tingle, and then cut Shulk. ...For no one. Need to uh... figure out what to do with that space. Can't in good conscience add Bowser Jr., Krystal, Palutena, or Dixie.

Or Porky, actually. Been leaning toward him lately.

My question to you is, what angle are you coming from? Kantrip flavored his with a lot of philosophical background that you, and Steam did not. It made rating his both easier, and more enjoyable to KNOW WHY he picks the way he picks.

Also, after I do berserkers, I will find all four of your Shorts scores, and rank yall.

Again, for future reference, I like a little reasoning, it couldn't hurt. I understand how you feel about adding them as well, but that's because your trying to PREDICT right? Not just make a good roster?

OHANDOMEGA. I'm rating your roster....whether or not you ask..... >:3

 

[OmegaXXII]

Toon Link removed? Why? I doubt that's going to be the case, adding Tingle would be a better solution since Y.Link/Toon Link are already established within Smash therefore merit a slot.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I almost have a moveset for Starfy ready... The only problem is I can't think of his A-moves.
Welp, I'm going to bed. I'll be back at some time from 10am to 2pm later. See ya.

 

[Oasis_S]

My question to you is, what angle are you coming from? Kantrip flavored his with a lot of philosophical background that you, and Steam did not. It made rating his both easier, and more enjoyable to KNOW WHY he picks the way he picks.

Also, after I do berserkers, I will find all four of your Shorts scores, and rank yall.

Again, for future reference, I like a little reasoning, it couldn't hurt. I understand how you feel about adding them as well, but that's because your trying to PREDICT right? Not just make a good roster?

UH, I guess the angle of trying to predict it? Lol. That's what makes it BORING. I mean, if it was what I personally felt would make the best roster, which tends to revolve around movesets/variety, then I would add Junior, Krystal, and Porky no problem. Though I still think Palutena and Dixie are a bit unnecessary. I kind of don't like Goroh on my roster either, BUT I GUESS HE IS A BIT OVERDUE.

I almost have a moveset for Starfy ready... The only problem is I can't think of his A-moves.

Which is why I find him to be more on the POOR CHOICE side. That's the bulk of the moveset.

Toon Link removed? Why? I doubt that's going to be the case, adding Tingle would be a better solution since Y.Link/Toon Link are already established within Smash therefore merit a slot.

Its a bad idea on my part since we do know Sakurai's feelings toward a second Link. I'm just banking on Sakurai finding Tingle to be a fun character to add. BY DESIGN, I'd argue it's the best choice.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I think Sakurai may dislike Starfy, since he more or less copied the charm of the kirby series

 

[Thrillhouse-vh.]

More like inherited it after it was sucked away.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Hmm..I don't like Tingle but it seems he might merit a slot, I really won't decide if he's a definite until I find out who "this master" is from Skyward Sword is, rumor is that it could be Vaati.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

*Cough*Gannon*Cough*

People say it's Vaati because he's the only villain around during that time period.

Only other zelda villain it could be is...majora? That seems unlikely.

 

[Oasis_S]

It'd be pretty awesome if it was Majora though.

STILL, even if Skyward Sword is a huge success, I'm still betting they'll just give it a stage. Skyloft probably.

...Which probably means Skyword will be gone. HURM.

 

[OmegaXXII]

*Cough*Gannon*Cough*

People say it's Vaati because he's the only villain around during that time period.

Only other zelda villain it could be is...majora? That seems unlikely.

I thought it was Ganon at first, but since it was before presumably OOT, it kinda of de-confirms him as the SS Boss, I might be wrong but a few others have pointed this out as well, I did read on Wiki that it is indeed connected to OOT in some way to explain the plot, Ghirahim at this point looks like the ringleader of the servants that this so called "master" has as his dogs.

 

[Berserker.]

No problem, I like doing it. (:

BERSERKERRRR Yes I will, in the morning...which means like two or three tomorrow afternoon. BUT I WILL DO IT. Just give me time~

Don't worry. I can wait.

 

[Shorts]

It'd be pretty awesome if it was Majora though.

STILL, even if Skyward Sword is a huge success, I'm still betting they'll just give it a stage. Skyloft probably.

...Which probably means Skyword will be gone. HURM.

Oasis, what if we got Ghirahim? How would you feel? I picture him playing like a fruity knife fighter. IDK about anything else he uses, but he's got magic fingers what can block steal. Honestly, he should be able to LITERALLY grab Link's heart from his chest.

Such an epic fruitcake. Kicks Marth's fruitybutt ANYDAY. IF, he ended up being this "Knife fighter" I would like him, but chances are most of his moves are magical. Which is cool I guess... I just want a knife fighter.

Kind of like how I want a real Staff fighter, NOT MEDUSA. NOT PALUTENA. Krystal physically uses her staff, not just waves it. She's a Seong Mi-Na. Who doesn't want that? Seriously though... he original design is VERY close to SCII Seong Mi-Na... Well not IDENTICLE, but the basics are similar.

it's weird.

[COLLAPSE="Weiiird."]

[/COLLAPSE]

 

[Oasis_S]

Eh, I wouldn't mind Ghirahim. Seems like he would be pretty similar to Marth, but I guess his personality would differentiate them enough. It's funny that the two LoZ characters we SPECULATE OVER are coincidentally two of the most homoerotic. Oh, Zelda.

NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY KNIFE-FIGHTER. HE TENDS TO MAKE ME THINK FENCER.

 

[Shorts]

Eh, I wouldn't mind Ghirahim. Seems like he would be pretty similar to Marth, but I guess his personality would differentiate them enough. It's funny that the two LoZ characters we SPECULATE OVER are coincidentally two of the most homoerotic. Oh, Zelda.

NOT SURE WHAT YOU MEAN BY KNIFE-FIGHTER. HE TENDS TO MAKE ME THINK FENCER.

Knife fighter, as in his weapon is a short peircing....weapon....wow. You know what I mean though. haha. Does he have a sword? I did not know this. I'VE BEEN KEEPING MYSELF VIRGIN FROM SPOILERS. I've just seen a few pictures of his finger blocking Link's sword. I know, and I mean... Link isn't the biggest man in town either, if you catch me drift.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

He looks like a fencer, using a long piercing weapon

 

[Oasis_S]

WHOOPS, SORRY THEN. YOU WOULD UNDERSTAND MY CONFUSION THEN WHEN YOU SAY KNIFE-FIGHTER, AND I SEE A SWORD.

caps.