New Smash Bros for WiiU

[PsychoIncarnate]

Other than being aesthetically pleasing, Dark Samus has a few unique abilities revolving around Phazon like being able to heal from Phazon and create pillars of pure Phazon, too.

Aesthetically pleasing? More like a reskinned Samus

Alternate costume at best

 

[OmegaXXII]

I want to see Omega Ridley for obvious reasons, I always hear about him but does he actually look cool?

 

[Starphoenix]

I hate alternate costume discussion with a burning passion. I am very very very very VERY against alternate costumes.

 

[Oasis_S]

I want to see Omega Ridley for obvious reasons, I always hear about him but does he actually look cool?

I'd say Omega Ridley is the third ugliest Ridley design, followed by Ridley X and Other Ridley.

 

[Deleted member]

Dark Samus?

Possible Alternate Costume?

Sounds like a good way to appease Dark Samus's fan.

Samus/Zero Suit Samus with Dark Suit Samus alt.
Ridley

is how the roster should be for SSB4.

 

[Metal Overlord]

^This I agree with.
I think Dark Samus would be a Samus clone. Ridley is IMHO much more feasible, despite how big it is and how much downgrading will be required.

I don't see how Ridley is more "feasible" than Dark Samus. A lot more likely? You bet. Significantly better choice overall? Yep. But feasible? Never heard that before.

KIRBY AIR RIDE MUSIKZ FER SM4SH

 

[OmegaXXII]

Prince Fluff is not the antagonist, lol. He was supposed to be the main character. THIS is the antagonist: [collapse=Yin-Yarn]

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This is what Prince Fluff would look like in SSB4:

Basically he's transparent, and the background is visible through him.

What the heck? That boss character looks like a big giant Ginger bread sock with two staffs!!

 

[Deleted member]

@DrClaw411: Drop Waluigi and Rosalina. Rosalina is not as important to the Galaxy series as you think. Rosalina had a major supporting role in the first one, but only made unimportant cameos in SMG2.

Drop Yarn Kirby. Kirby is unlikely to get a fourth rep and its even less likely for the franchise to see an alt. of Kirby (I can only see Paper Mario or Dr. Mario as Mario's costume).

I would consider dropping Krystal from the list. Star Fox 64 3D has not done well and it could result in the franchise taking a long nap.

For Pokemon, I don't think its going to get a 5th gen Trainer. Drop him and add Victini or Zoroark.

3DS Fire Emblem rep should be Chrome, who is the lord of FE13.

The rest of your newcomers not named Mii are unrealistic and should be dropped (although I personally would like to see Chibi-Robo). For third-party characters, drop Viewtiful Joe and go with either Mega Man, Slime, or Layton.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I hate alternate costume discussion with a burning passion. I am very very very very VERY against alternate costumes.

Why? You mean characters being alt costumes? Elaborate please.

Aesthetically pleasing? More like a reskinned Samus

Alternate costume at best

I was talking about her theoretical Phazon moves...

Anyways, I know Dark Samus isn't happening, knew that for a while. Next topic, please.

 

[Starphoenix]

Why? You mean characters being alt costumes? Elaborate please.

Yes, I am against other characters being alternate costumes. I loathe the discussion as much as I loathe the idea itself. It gives me great fury.

 

[Kantrip]

What the heck? That boss character looks like a big giant Ginger bread sock with two staffs!!

Yes I agree, Yin-Yarn looks silly.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

I don't see how Ridley is more "feasible" than Dark Samus. A lot more likely? You bet. Significantly better choice overall? Yep. But feasible? Never heard that before.

KIRBY AIR RIDE MUSIKZ FER SM4SH

I just mean there's more of a realistic chance of Ridley getting in over Dark Samus.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I hate alternate costume discussion with a burning passion. I am very very very very VERY against alternate costumes.

U salty? Perhaps some music will soth your soul.

I'm not against it whatsoever, it adds unique appearance variety which seems fun as opposed to some BORING palette swaps.

 

[ChronoBound]

I hate alternate costume discussion with a burning passion. I am very very very very VERY against alternate costumes.

What I find hilarious is that many Smash fans want Dr. Mario to come back as a Mario costume complete with the megavitamins and even the same stats he had in Melee, but are vehemently against giving him his own slot again.

I do think the idea of costumes is often overplayed.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

He always reminded me more of some kind of magic using bandito more than a yarn wizard. But also made of yarn, of course

 

[Pachinkosam]

please dont mention anime characters. Next thing you know some fanboy will say "omg i hope naruto makes it in this one!"

omg i hope naturo make it in this one!!!!

 

[Kantrip]

You forgot the "s" in "makes" and put two too many exclamation points. Your trolling is invalid.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Yes, I am against other characters being alternate costumes. I loathe the discussion as much as I loathe the idea itself. It gives me great fury.

I understand that.

But what about alts like Armored Mewtwo for Mewtwo, Phazon Suit for Samus, Classic Sonic for Sonic, Casino Luigi for Luigi, etc.

And Chrono, I'm not sure about anyone else, but I absolutely love the idea of Dr. Mario having his own spot back...

 

[OmegaXXII]

Yes, I am against other characters being alternate costumes. I loathe the discussion as much as I loathe the idea itself. It gives me great fury.

Well, this doesn't necessarly answer why it SHOULDNT be in Smash, just bias towards the idea is all.

 

[Sunnysunny]

Trolling is an art, not a math problem. The more creative the better! Unless you suck at drawing, then get outta my class!

 

[Pachinkosam]

You forgot the "s" in "makes" and put two too many exclamation points. Your trolling is invalid.

sorry my mistake xD

 

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What I find hilarious is that many Smash fans want Dr. Mario to come back as a Mario costume complete with the megavitamins and even the same stats he had in Melee, but are vehemently against giving him his own slot again.

I do think the idea of costumes is often overplayed.

Agreed. The disscusion gets a bit carried away.

The only Wario style costume I'm expecting would be a helmetless MM.

But I do think having some characters with a unique color palette is nice:

Ex. Peach with Daisy colors
Mario with Wario colors (and vise vera)
Luigi with Waluigi colors
Zelda with OOT colors
Samus with Fusion colors
Etc.

Dark Samus would be a neat choice for this and would be a cool color in my opinion.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yes, and I'm hoping some Nintendo environments actaully get implemented along with a series of enemies, like the Goombas for example were good but get rid of the generic characters and add more Nintendo based ones.

As for the 3DS I believe it will have a customizable if the Wii-U version does indeed support it, I mean it wouldn't be fair just to have it Wii-U exclusive, and considering the fact that Iwata mentioned that both versions would intertwine in some way or form I believe the customizable Mii's would fit that description perfectly, meaning you could raise them in one version and simply "transfer" to the other and play with them in multiplayer modes, that's what I think anyway.

Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought it'd be like. Like the Tiny Chao Gardens in the Sonic Advance games. And yeah, no "generic" enemies next time around. Honestly, if they're going to be similar to the Kirby enemies? Put in the Kirby enemies. Even if all the series didn't get fairly repped, atleast they're recognizable enemies instead.

 

[Deleted member]

What I find hilarious is that many Smash fans want Dr. Mario to come back as a Mario costume complete with the megavitamins and even the same stats he had in Melee, but are vehemently against giving him his own slot again.

I do think the idea of costumes is often overplayed.

They can just slap Mario's move set into Dr. Mario (if he becomes a costume) and call it a day.

As for other alts, King K. Rool would also be great to play in Kaptain K. Rool and Baron K. Roolenstine.

 

[Pachinkosam]

trolling is an art, not a math problem. The more creative the better! Unless you suck at drawing, then get outta my class!

right on !!

 

[Starphoenix]

Let me put it to you this way. In Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 it is being hinted that Megaman X is going to be Zero's alternate costume. Fans have begged and pleaded for X to be a playable character, but Capcom did not include him into the game. Tell me how this is going to play out with the fans? I can give you a hint, it starts with "outrage" and ends with "disgust".

The same thing will happen with Super Smash Bros. 4. There will be countless threads whining about how character "x" is only a mediocre costume and not a full character. On top of that it is a hollow consolation as underneath nothing erases the fact that it is just Samus with a Dark Samus skin. So it isn't even all that satisfying, it is like eating a tofu burger when you really want a Whopper. It doesn't do it.

 

[SwayneGang]

What I find hilarious is that many Smash fans want Dr. Mario to come back as a Mario costume complete with the megavitamins and even the same stats he had in Melee, but are vehemently against giving him his own slot again.

While I do want Dr. Mario to return as a playable character again, if he's not given his own slot, then I think he should be what you mentioned. Come on, Chrono. I can see that being possible to do. Hard, yes. But still, it's do-able.

 

[Oasis_S]

What I find hilarious is that many Smash fans want Dr. Mario to come back as a Mario costume complete with the megavitamins and even the same stats he had in Melee, but are vehemently against giving him his own slot again.

I do think the idea of costumes is often overplayed.

Now that's dumb. Though I don't think changing the fireball to a MegaVitamin would be all that difficult? Would just switch the fireball model to a (albeit smaller) megavitamin, get rid of the visual effects the fireball would have, change a couple soundbytes... Really shouldn't be all that difficult? Maybe even changing the color of the cape. OF COURSE, there's question of feasibility when all you're doing is pressing a button to change the model. I guess there would have to be a particular CODE of some sort just for him.

Still though, none of that is especially necessary. Just having the costume itself should be just fine.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Wario got an alt, why shouldn't others!?

Doctor Mario should come back as his own entity, he's an exclusion since he previously appeared in Smash; as a tribute.

 

[Starphoenix]

Because Wario had two distinct outfits to justify doing that with.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Let me put it to you this way. In Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 it is being hinted that Megaman X is going to be Zero's alternate costume. Fans have begged and pleaded for X to be a playable character, but Capcom did not include him into the game. Tell me how this is going to play out with the fans? I can give you a hint, it starts with "outrage" and ends with "disgust".

The same thing will happen with Super Smash Bros. 4. There will be countless threads whining about how character "x" is only a mediocre costume and not a full character. On top of that it is a hollow consolation as underneath nothing erases the fact that it is just Samus with a Dark Samus skin. So it isn't even all that satisfying, it is like eating a tofu burger when you really want a Whopper. It doesn't do it.

But the differance is that Sora isn't Capcom, that's a key difference.

 

[SwayneGang]

Wario got an alt, why shouldn't others!?

Doctor Mario should come back as his own entity, he's an exclusion since he previously appeared in Smash; as a tribute.

Represent!!

 

[Metal Overlord]

Because Wario had two distinct outfits to justify doing that with.

Wario isn't the only character like that, though.

Sonic alt- Classic Sonic
Ridley alt- Meta Ridley (I guess)
Mewtwo alt- Armored Mewtwo
Mega Man alt- Classic Mega Man

C'mon now, Star, you aren't against these types of outfits, too, are you?

 

[Starphoenix]

But the differance is that Sora isn't Capcom, that's a key difference.

That was not the point. My emphasis was on how the fans will react. Believe me when I say fans will. Having two distinct characters as a swap for another is a decision worthy of internet flames. It is almost always a terrible idea.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Wario isn't the only character like that, though.

Sonic alt- Classic Sonic
Ridley alt- Meta Ridley (I guess)
Mewtwo alt- Armored Mewtwo
Mega Man alt- Classic Mega Man

C'mon now, Star, you aren't against these types of outfits, too, are you?

Nah, Megaman's alt shouldn't be classic

Classic should be the main costume.

If anything X or any of the random others can be the alt

 

[OmegaXXII]

Yeah, that's pretty much what I thought it'd be like. Like the Tiny Chao Gardens in the Sonic Advance games. And yeah, no "generic" enemies next time around. Honestly, if they're going to be similar to the Kirby enemies? Put in the Kirby enemies. Even if all the series didn't get fairly repped, atleast they're recognizable enemies instead.

Agreed, I'm a bit more optimitic since Sakurai has a larger development team meaning they could plan out more ideas and make it work, generic character have no reason to be in Smash whatsoever aside from the wireframes/polygons.

 

[ChronoBound]

I have been looking at some Japanese sales data, and apparently Sin & Punishment 2 bombed worse than the first game. Heck, I think the first game's sales on the Virtual Console were higher than what the second one sold at retail. I personally think $50 was way too much for a game like S&P (I only own the first one, and its a pretty short game).

 

[Oasis_S]

That was not the point. My emphasis was on how the fans will react. Believe me when I say fans will. Having two distinct characters as a swap for another is a decision worthy of internet flames. It is almost always a terrible idea.

Zero having a Mega Man alt costume is hardly comparable to Peach having a Daisy costume or something, lol.

Though I'm not sure which examples you have in mind particularly. Characters like Rosalina or Blood Falcon aren't going to be playable EVER, so any fans of theirs should be happy to have them as an alt costume. BETTER THAN NOTHING?

Though Tryphen likes to suggest Mach Rider as a Captain Falcon costume, so I'm going to MACH RIDE over to his place and punch him.

 

[Metal Overlord]

I was only giving an example of the alts.

I'm not actually sure which one they'd go with as the standard outfit for MM if he got in.

Classic is iconic, but X is newer.

Hopefully Classic, but you never know.

 

[SwayneGang]

That was not the point. My emphasis was on how the fans will react. Believe me when I say fans will. Having two distinct characters as a swap for another is a decision worthy of internet flames. It is almost always a terrible idea.

There's Dark Link, Claus, and Blood Falcon. Fans didn't complain about those.