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[PsychoIncarnate]

I have been looking at some Japanese sales data, and apparently Sin & Punishment 2 bombed worse than the first game. Heck, I think the first game's sales on the Virtual Console were higher than what the second one sold at retail. I personally think $50 was way too much for a game like S&P (I only own the first one, and its a pretty short game).

Rail shooters are a thing of the past.

They are nothing but minigames in this day and age

I was only giving an example of the alts.

I'm not actually sure which one they'd go with as the standard outfit for MM if he got in.

Classic is iconic, but X is newer.

Hopefully Classic, but you never know.

and there are about 5 megamans newer than X

 

[Starphoenix]

That is a shame as it really was a good game. Nintendo and other video game companies need to allow for more flexibility in their pricing if they want games to even come close to being a mild success.

That being said I doubt it affects Sin and Punishment in terms of Super Smash Bros. I think Sakurai is going to look at the fact that there even was a new game to begin with.

 

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Let me put it to you this way. In Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 it is being hinted that Megaman X is going to be Zero's alternate costume. Fans have begged and pleaded for X to be a playable character, but Capcom did not include him into the game. Tell me how this is going to play out with the fans? I can give you a hint, it starts with "outrage" and ends with "disgust".

The same thing will happen with Super Smash Bros. 4. There will be countless threads whining about how character "x" is only a mediocre costume and not a full character. On top of that it is a hollow consolation as underneath nothing erases the fact that it is just Samus with a Dark Samus skin. So it isn't even all that satisfying, it is like eating a tofu burger when you really want a Whopper. It doesn't do it.

Good way to put it. But I think that would really only happen with popular characters.

Besides this is Nintendo not Capcom. Nintendo handles thing way differently then Capcom, Capcom fanboys know Capcom is aware of their opinions, hense: DLC, polls, suggestion box.

Not to mention that MM had much more popularity to get into MvC3 then any of the other characters who could get into Smash now. In addition, with how Capcom has been dealing with MM recently, of course people are going to think it's trolling.

Zero had a MMX style costume in the original, but did people freak out then? No. It was after the all the MM cancelations, then people started to really care.

In addition, Capcom has recently been doing character costume blogs for each character in UMvC3. Have people been freaking out about that? No.

I can understand alternate costumes hatred, but costume colors inspired by other characters is nothing to freak out about.

 

[Metal Overlord]

and there are about 5 megamans newer than X

All I really remember though is X. Not sure if X is more popular/iconic than the other random newer ones...

 

[Starphoenix]

Some of you miss the point, but oh well. At the end of the day I still hate the idea. I'll stick with my stages and music thank you very much.

 

[Deleted member]

The same thing will happen with Super Smash Bros. 4. There will be countless threads whining about how character "x" is only a mediocre costume and not a full character. On top of that it is a hollow consolation as underneath nothing erases the fact that it is just Samus with a Dark Samus skin. So it isn't even all that satisfying, it is like eating a tofu burger when you really want a Whopper. It doesn't do it.

The difference is that Mega Man X has been very highly requested to be playable in Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 whereas support for Dark Samus has mostly evaporated for Ridley. I'm sure the Dark Samus fans would be much more willing to put up with Dark Samus being an alt, knowing that Dark Samus would most likely be a clone anyway, whereas Mega Man X in MvC3 would be unique.

 

[OmegaXXII]

That was not the point. My emphasis was on how the fans will react. Believe me when I say fans will. Having two distinct characters as a swap for another is a decision worthy of internet flames. It is almost always a terrible idea.

Well, I'm not really looking at it that way, if this were to happen yeah sure, but since Wario did get an alternate that was HIS OWN then other like the ones Overlord suggested wouldn't be a problem, I mean if Mewtwo is given an alternate costume, who could hebpossibky have a swap of? Please don't say Lucario, it would be his Armored Mewtwo costume.

 

[SwayneGang]

Some of you miss the point, but oh well. At the end of the day I still hate the idea. I'll stick with my stages and music thank you very much.

Sorry, man. I'm trying to understand.

 

[Starphoenix]

It's cool man. Just my opinión.

I was working on a new stage concept for Mach Rider, but I dropped it in favor of something else. When I have time to work on it more I will post it.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Some of you miss the point, but oh well. At the end of the day I still hate the idea. I'll stick with my stages and music thank you very much.

We aren't missing the point, you said alot of riot and flame wars would happen and Nintendo taking advantage of multiple characters alts within one, I honestly don't see why YOU are agaisnt it, oh well, you are entitled to your opinion which is fine.

BTW, beserker presented that moveset already.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I can see Sakurai (or fans) dismissing characters later on because they are alternate costumes anyway

Edit: though it didn't stop wario

 

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Though Tryphen likes to suggest Mach Rider as a Captain Falcon costume, so I'm going to MACH RIDE over to his place and punch him.

I know what you're all thinking but it could be worse.

Spoiler

He could be sending a certain Space Pirate to pay me a visit.

 

[Metal Overlord]

If you had to choose between:

60 characters but 15 of them are clones

or

45 characters with your 5 most wanted Smash characters reserved for DLC


Which one would you pick?

 

[ChronoBound]

Well let's put it this way. How many Lucario and Ike fans would be bitter/angry if they only returned as alternate costumes of Zoroark and Chrome?

Alternative costumes are a double-edged sword in my opinion.

 

[shinhed-echi]

If you had to choose between:

60 characters but 15 of them clones

or

45 characters with your 5 most wanted Smash characters reserved for DLC



Which one would you pick?

The latter. Heck, how can anything go wrong if I can PAY for a character I want? Scratch thath, 5 characters I want. I really badly truly want 1, but I could be ok if other 3 make it in.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I can see Sakurai (or fans) dismissing characters later on because they are alternate costumes anyway

Edit: though it didn't stop wario

Haha, hopefully that WON'T happen but I can forsee it for some odd reason.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Agreed, I'm a bit more optimitic since Sakurai has a larger development team meaning they could plan out more ideas and make it work, generic character have no reason to be in Smash whatsoever aside from the wireframes/polygons.

And Alloys and Bosses.(well, the main quadro, being the Hands, Giga, and Tabuu)

I don't mind those, really.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

The latter. Heck, how can anything go wrong if I can PAY for a character I want? Scratch thath, 5 characters I want. I really badly truly want 1, but I could be ok if other 3 make it in.

I know how something could go wrong! Not everybody can pay for characters(myself included). That's why I'm glad Brawl didn't do DLC.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Who said it had to be paid DLC?

 

[Shorts]

I hate alternate costume discussion with a burning passion. I am very very very very VERY against alternate costumes.

Me too. Doc is all we need. Period. pallete swaps are cool though.

Let me put it to you this way. In Ultimate Marvel Vs. Capcom 3 it is being hinted that Megaman X is going to be Zero's alternate costume. Fans have begged and pleaded for X to be a playable character, but Capcom did not include him into the game. Tell me how this is going to play out with the fans? I can give you a hint, it starts with "outrage" and ends with "disgust".

The same thing will happen with Super Smash Bros. 4. There will be countless threads whining about how character "x" is only a mediocre costume and not a full character. On top of that it is a hollow consolation as underneath nothing erases the fact that it is just Samus with a Dark Samus skin. So it isn't even all that satisfying, it is like eating a tofu burger when you really want a Whopper. It doesn't do it.

Doctor Mario isn't Dark Samus. He is Samus with a shirt on. Doc is Mario. Throw on a Doctors outfit, and leave the Megavitamins out. Just give me a Doc costume.

Wario overalls 4Smash.

I have been looking at some Japanese sales data, and apparently Sin & Punishment 2 bombed worse than the first game. Heck, I think the first game's sales on the Virtual Console were higher than what the second one sold at retail. I personally think $50 was way too much for a game like S&P (I only own the first one, and its a pretty short game).

No one likes to listen to the Tom Nook supporter. No one.

Well let's put it this way. How many Lucario and Ike fans would be bitter/angry if they only returned as alternate costumes of Zoroark and Chrome?

Alternative costumes are a double-edged sword in my opinion.

Bad ideas. Doc isn't bad. It's as smart as Wario's overalls... Why is no one defending this idea? It's a good one.

 

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Ugg my head hurts, and not just because of I was punched.

At this point, I'm just going to ignor Alternate Costumes and Color Palettes.

I'm just confused by what people want with them, no one is really explaining the differences or drawing a line between them and are getting carried away.

I am fine with Color Palettes, like the examples I gave but that's it.

Besides not having alternate costumes would save us all DLC money.

 

[SwayneGang]

The next Smash games better offer DLC. That's all I'm saying on that.

@Omega
You mentioned before "it was time." What did you mean...?

 

[ChronoBound]

No one likes to listen to the Tom Nook supporter. No one.

I don't support Tom Nook. Is that comment aimed at someone else?

 

[shinhed-echi]

Am I the only one who was ok with Claus as an recolor for Lucas? O_o

Wait, don't answer that.

 

[OmegaXXII]

It won't be, and yeah, Giga Bowser should remain a BOSS not Bowser's damn FS. :/

 

[Metal Overlord]

I'm just confused by what people want with them, no one is really explaining the differences or drawing a line between them and are getting carried away.

People keep thinking that alternate costumes are only for characters that didn't make the cut (like MMX= Zero alt), which is why they're against it.

An alt outfit is supposed to be... well, just that, an alternate outfit. Like, I said, Armored Mewtwo being an alt costume for Mewtwo, Classic Sonic being the alt for Modern/Standard Sonic... I really don't see what's wrong with that type of fun stuff...

 

[Shorts]

I don't support Tom Nook. Is that comment aimed at someone else?

It wasn't aimed at you, it was aimed at everyone holding Saki on a pedistal. Like, being as popular as Little Mac, Isaac, and Tom Nook. Well, essentially S&P being as popular as Punch Out, Golden Sun, and Animal Crossing in the US. Which it isn't.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

It won't be, and yeah, Giga Bowser should remain a BOSS not Bowser's damn FS. :/

What would Bowser's FS be then?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

What would Bowser's FS be then?

Something from the games, such as growing giant

Oh wait, that's what Giga Bowser does

 

[Starphoenix]

I don't think anyone is claiming it, Sin and Punishment, is. It does not have to be. Tom Nook's problem is Sakurai finds the series and their characters as unsuitable for fighting. Not because they are physically incapable, but he views the series as too pacifistic.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I'm surprised that Star, out of all people would show such hate against it. :/

 

[OmegaXXII]

Sin & Punishment should get Saki indeed, I can see it happening due to Sakurai himself, not because of any other crappy factors.

Well, good night, I will post "that" thing as soon as I get back.

 

[Shorts]

I don't think anyone is claiming it, Sin and Punishment, is. It does not have to be. Tom Nook's problem is Sakurai finds the series and their characters as unsuitable for fighting. Not because they are physically incapable, but he views the series as too pacifistic.

This has nothing to do with Tom Nook, I suppose that comment just threw people off. You might not have read it earlier today, but yes, they were. That's why I was glad Chronobound posted that tidbit about SPSS to help prove my point. And I already went over Tom Nook's/AC problems. Essentially, I just disagree with Sakurai... that's sort of it.

I don't care much about those franchises anyway. I just like the idea of a Racoon who's attacks could involve throing furniture.

Sin & Punishment should get Saki indeed, I can see it happening due to Sakurai himself, not because of any other crappy factors.

Nothing about this statement I like. Bothersome.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

What would Bowser's FS be then?

Koopa Clown Car? Call in some of his Army? Force a fight similar to the first Super Mario Bros. against him?(okay, last one's too powerful) It's not too hard to think of stuff.

 

[Starphoenix]

Well then, I'll speak for myself. I am not placing Sin and Punishment on the same pedestal as those series. I can see Saki appearing for reasons that build upon whatever relatively high amount of requests he had pre-Brawl. Since I don't feel like getting into a large hoopla over Saki I'll let my words be few.

Although I will agree that it seems odd to discount an Animal Crossing character. Oh well though.

 

[Shorts]

Well then, I'll speak for myself. I am not placing Sin and Punishment on the same pedestal as those series. I can see Saki appearing for reasons that build upon whatever relatively high amount of requests he had pre-Brawl. Since I don't feel like getting into a large hoopla over Saki I'll let my words be few.

No one feels like getting into a large hoopla anymore. It's sad. I want some hoopla. Maybe not about Saki.... but something.

Hoopla. Hoopla inducing topics anyone? You know, besides the LucZoroMew thing. Or really, any topic that isn't Pokemon related...

Hoopla.

 

[Drclaw411]

why is nobody discussing yarn kirby as a character?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

why is nobody discussing yarn kirby as a character?

Because that game sucked

 

[Sunnysunny]

Well let's put it this way. How many Lucario and Ike fans would be bitter/angry if they only returned as alternate costumes of Zoroark and Chrome?

Alternative costumes are a double-edged sword in my opinion.

As long as the costumes don't have a chance of getting in I don't mind. Like for example raichu over pikachu would be ok, since pikachu does turn into raichu and raichu normally wouldn't have a chance to get in. Like, I don't think anyone was upset that Warioware wario had the same moveset of classic wario. Ya know?

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

No one feels like getting into a large hoopla anymore. It's sad. I want some hoopla. Maybe not about Saki.... but something.

Hoopla. Hoopla inducing topics anyone? You know, besides the LucZoroMew thing. Or really, any topic that isn't Pokemon related...

Hoopla.

HOOPLA! *Brick'd* @~@