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[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Exactly, the reason so was because I think Sakurai was either planning on adding Mewtwo (who probably got switched by Sonic) or Mewtwo was intended to replace Jiggs but had a tough decision, of course this is in theory.

Jigglypuff's removal was unlikely though, considering that it's part of the original 12. One way or another, it would've made its return.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Exactly, the reason so was because I think Sakurai was either planning on adding Mewtwo (who probably got switched by Sonic) or Mewtwo was intended to replace Jiggs but had a tough decision, of course this is in theory.

How could Mewtwo replace if both were already in the game?

I agree with everything else, though.

 

[---]

what is everyone expecting from Subspace Emissary 2?

I guess over all a title like: The Return of Subspace.

About the same timelength took to beat SSE.

Hopefully longer cutscenes and a bit easier to understand storyline that explains what happened to certain characters:

Ex. How did they capture G&W, Pikachu, gain control of Samus's suit, and some explaination to what some characters were doing to there to begin with like Olimar, Ike and Falcon?

I mean way too many of them just appeared out of nowwhere with no background explaination or ties to the story. Not to mention maybe having all characters getting the same amount of attention in the storyline.

Level's based on different games and more variety in gameplay.

 

[---]

Exactly, the reason so was because I think Sakurai was either planning on adding Mewtwo (who probably got switched by Sonic) or Mewtwo was intended to replace Jiggs but had a tough decision, of course this is in theory.

Well I just figured out who Sonic was talking to in his annoying taunt.

Oops double post.

 

[OmegaXXII]

That's something else worth wondering about. We've had Polygons, Wire Frames, and Alloys. What's next?


@Omega
You've been on here all day?? You must not get headaches very often.

Nope, I'm immune to it.

 

[OmegaXXII]

How could Mewtwo replace if both were already in the game?

I agree with everything else, though.

The reason I say so was because Sakurai was only intending to add Mewtwo but later decided to include Jiggs instead but when Sonic got involved I believe he scrapped Mewtwo for Sonic as he made a decision to not have both Jiggs and Mewtwo, which can explain why Mewtwo has some data on there.

 

[Opossum]

Probably the thing that made me the most pissed off at thee SSE.

WORSE than the generic enemies and environments.

WORSE than the Great Maze.

WORSE than the lack of certain character explanation.


WHY DIDN'T MR. GAME AND WATCH HAVE HIS NAME UNDER HIM WHEN HE APPEARED?

.......

Now that my caps lock rant is over, what would happen if Xenoblade was a hit over seas once localized? Would Shulk's chances go up significantly?

 

[y.toonlink]

Generic as in they are not enemies from any of the actual series. They could've had Polygons/Wire Frames in place of the Primids. They already existed.

But making a buttload of original enemies when they had tons of choices was pointless. Nobody cares about substitute enemies, because they're not recognizable. That's the main problem I have with it. Hence my use of generic.

And Sonic has a major role in the story: Without him, all the characters would've probably died. Now, I agree in the overall plot, he had little, but saving everyone is a HUGE thing. I consider Mario and Link's roles not nearly as important. As for the Bonus Door characters, I only think Wolf could've been interesting with ease.

Well they're not really generic then, just unoriginal. You just contradicted yourself: generic = used, and then too much original, more used enemies :O
Sonic's role was more or less important I guess, but you said only like 2 series were important ???

Anyway, I agree with --- although I think a separate Adv Mode like Melee would be better. I actually liked that SSB had it's own little universe.

 

[Metal Overlord]

The reason I say so was because Sakurai was only intending to add Mewtwo but later decided to include Jiggs instead but when Sonic got involved I believe he scrapped Mewtwo for Sonic as he made a decision to not have both Jiggs and Mewtwo, which can explain why Mewtwo has some data on there.

Oh, I see, you meant Mewtwo replacing Jiggs as the other 1st gen rep. Derp on my part.

And Mewtwo has more than just some data, he has a ****load of data son!

Also, both you and --- double posted lol but Opossum broke the combo before it could even really start

 

[OmegaXXII]

Yep, hopefully that won't be the case for SSB4, Mewtwo has to stay, DO NOT RECONSIDER REMOVING MEWTWO AGAIN SAKURAI!!


AGAINミュウツーの取り外し櫻井を再考しないでください！
AGAIN myuutsū no torihazushi Sakurai o saikō shinaide kudasai!

 

[Pachinkosam]

Yep, hopefully that won't be the case for SSB4, Mewtwo has to stay, DO NOT RECONSIDER REMOVING MEWTWO AGAIN SAKURAI!!


AGAINミュウツーの取り外し櫻井を再考しないでください!
AGAIN myuutsū no torihazushi Sakurai o saikō shinaide kudasai!

mewtwo is gonna stay i hope

 

[Opelucid]

Would you guys be mad if you got every character you wanted except M2?

 

[---]

Would you guys be mad if you got every character you wanted except M2?

While I wouldn't be that mad, seeing as it's been a few years that and losing MM in MvC3 is much worse, but it would be disapointing.

My main priority is that veterans come first. Then I'll talk newcomers. Guest characters I can live without but are welcome.

 

[Pachinkosam]

Would you guys be mad if you got every character you wanted except M2?

not really i dont care about m2

 

[Opelucid]

I'm neutral about him I'd like to see him come back but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't come back. If Sakurai wants to bring him back why didn't he do so in Brawl?

 

[Pachinkosam]

wes better than lucario ill give u that

 

[DarkShadow20]

I'm neutral about him I'd like to see him come back but I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't come back. If Sakurai wants to bring him back why didn't he do so in Brawl?

Time constraints. He was supposed to be in Brawl.

 

[Aurane]

wes better than lucario ill give u that

Bulls*** he was T_T Lucario's moves and aerial assault squared him in the face. Mewtwo is also rather slow in Melee.

 

[Opelucid]

Oh yeah I forgot about that if the pattern continues I think he will get in since we usually get two Pokemon reps each game.

 

[Deleted member]

Would you guys be mad if you got every character you wanted except M2?

Not really. I would love for Mewtwo to return, but there are plenty of other characters I feel are deserving of a spot that would make it for me to be content.

The only realistic way to infuriate me is to not fulfill my expectation.

Oh yeah I forgot about that if the pattern continues I think he will get in since we usually get two Pokemon reps each game.

This is a good point (not to mention one rep has always been from the first gen). Continuing this, Mewtwo or Meowth should be in SSB4, but since this is just a pattern, I'm not going to assume Mewtwo is likely due to being cut.

 

[Aurane]

Oh yeah I forgot about that if the pattern continues I think he will get in since we usually get two Pokemon reps each game.

If, say, there were 50 characters, i don't c why 3 or 4 reps would be problematic for SSB4.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well they're not really generic then, just unoriginal. You just contradicted yourself: generic = used, and then too much original, more used enemies :O
Sonic's role was more or less important I guess, but you said only like 2 series were important ???

Anyway, I agree with --- although I think a separate Adv Mode like Melee would be better. I actually liked that SSB had it's own little universe.

I didn't contradict myself. Generic is basically a "bland name product". Those enemies were just as generic as the Polygons, etc. Sure, they had flavor, but they were added in for no reason. I'm not referring to the bosses, though. And yes, all those enemies were SSB Originals, as were many of the Bosses. The rest was the Kirby characters. They all played a key role in the main story. The problem with a lot of the other characters, like Pikachu, is that his entire role was meh. It didn't ultimately add anything to the overall plot. He was... a power generator. However, I misspoke. There was also Mr. Game & Watch and the R.O.B.'s. The rest... not much of key importance. They pretty much were added in.

And I wouldn't mind having two Adventure Modes. I just prefer that going through the SSE didn't unlock all the characters. Especially since I can't delete the hidden characters via the Erase Menu. That was honestly stupid not to add. All Data... Trophies... Stickers... I think that was it?

 

[Pachinkosam]

Bulls*** he was T_T Lucario's moves and aerial assault squared him in the face. Mewtwo is also rather slow in Melee.

but thats melee. imagen mewtwo stronger faster and beat lucario like ****

 

[Aurane]

but thats melee. imagen mewtwo stronger faster and beat lucario like ****

I can say for a fact that if Mewtwo comes back, he won't be *much* different from Melee. His moves were all tatic-accuracy junkies. Dodging his (B) moves are easy. (B)> and (B)v to be presise.

 

[Opelucid]

but thats melee. imagen mewtwo stronger faster and beat lucario like ****

Even if Mewtwo gets a buff a really experienced Lucario main could probably still win it all depends on the experience.

On another note I want Melee Jigglypuff and Melee Sheik back.

 

[---]

It sounds like I should post my moveset again.

 

[Pachinkosam]

well sorry lucario fans:lucariobrawl: just saying what i fell

 

[Aurane]

It sounds like I should post my moveset again.

Ur moveset on Mewtwo was beautiful, and should be considered. Although, if you really think about Mewtwo and SSB, that spoon-swinging ain't happening. But I'd love to see it. (Although as an experienced Lucario player I'd still whoop him up and down )

Think about it. Bones VS Spoons. W8 a minute... O_o

 

[Pachinkosam]

It sounds like I should post my moveset again.

well u go do that

 

[Steam]

Lucario competitively is much much much better than mewtwo.

However in melee lucario would probably be kinda bad due to aura and how early you die in melee... in addition to a much smaller reliance on spacing/zoning and much more stock in speed and kill power. Lucario would combo stupidly well in melee though and just have so many options... so on second thought it would probably balance out...

however mewtwo in brawl would be... nearly as bad as ganon...

Lucario is just more solid fundamentally and his design makes him a a balanced character. Mewtwo is extremely quirky.

 

[Aurane]

Lucario competitively is much much much better than mewtwo.

However in melee lucario would probably be kinda bad due to aura and how early you die in melee... in addition to a much smaller reliance on spacing/zoning and much more stock in speed and kill power. Lucario would combo stupidly well in melee though...

however mewtwo in brawl would be... nearly as bad as ganon...

Lucario is just more solid fundamentally and his design makes him a a balanced character. Mewtwo is extremely quirky.

I have to disagree with the Ganon part. I'd rate him a low teir, but not as bad as Ganon.

 

[---]

Ur moveset on Mewtwo was beautiful, and should be considered. Although, if you really think about Mewtwo and SSB, that spoon-swinging ain't happening. But I'd love to see it. (Although as an experienced Lucario player I'd still whoop him up and down )

Think about it. Bones VS Spoons. W8 a minute... O_o

Any experienced player would whoop most players. That's just plain common sense.

Anyway there still is a chance of it happening, besides there have been a few thing from the manga in Smash. Heck Jigglypuff got it's FS from the Manga.

 

[Steam]

honestly... if you compare them... Lucas and mewtwo are very very similar... mewtwo has worse tools than lucas though... and lucas is already bad enough.

 

[Aurane]

Any experienced player would whoop most players. That's just plain common sense.

Anyway there still is a chance of it happening, besides there have been a few thing from the manga in Smash. Heck Jigglypuff got it's FS from the Manga.

Let me restate, then what I meant. Experienced players Mewtwo and Lucario, vsing each other.

 

[Pachinkosam]

honestly... if you compare them... Lucas and mewtwo are very very similar... mewtwo has worse tools than lucas though... and lucas is already bad enough.

i agree lucas is better i just cant make up my mind guys

 

[---]

Let me restate, then what I meant. Experienced players Mewtwo and Lucario, vsing each other.

O.K.

Well then seeing as they've never been in the same Smash game together I don't really know how to answer that.

But I guess I can post this video now since it seems to be on topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKE9SILpPm4

 

[Steam]

O.K.

Well then seeing as they've never been in the same Smash game together I don't really know how to anwser that.

But I guess I can post this video now since it seems to be on topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKE9SILpPm4

if mewtwo was in brawl like that... he'd be absolutely awful... bad range, no speed, little power, awkward hitboxes that don't cover him well... kinda like melee except mewtwo had good mobility in melee.

 

[Opelucid]

I don't know if you guys care about this but if I was able to redo the rosters for SSB,SSBM, and SSBB... I'd make them like this.
*= Indicates Unlockable

[COLLAPSE="SSB"]SSB

Mario
Luigi*
Bowser

Donkey Kong

Yoshi

Link

Kirby
D3*

Pikachu
Meowth*
Mewtwo*

Samus

Fox

Captain Falcon*

Ness

Pit*[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="SSBM"]
SSBM

Mario
Luigi*
Peach
Bowser
Toad*

Yoshi

Wario*

Donkey Kong

Link
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf*
Y. Link*

Kirby
D3*

Samus
Ridley*

Fox
Falco*

Pikachu
Meowth*
Mewtwo*
Pokemon Trainer(Chikorita,Croconaw, Typhlosion)

Ice Climbers
Mr. Game and Watch*
Mach Rider*

Captain Falcon

Ness

Marth*
Roy*[/COLLAPSE]

[COLLAPSE="SSBB"]
SSBB

Mario
Luigi*
Bowser
Peach
Toad*

Yoshi

Wario

Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong*
King K. Rool

Kirby
D3
Meta Knight

Fox
Falco*
Wolf*

Samus/ZSS
Ridley*

Pikachu
Pokemon Trainer(Treecko,Marshtomp,Blaziken)
Meowth
Mewtwo*
Lucario*

Ness
Masked Man*

Pit

Saki*

Marth
Roy*
Ike*

Captain Falcon

Ice Climbers
Mr. Game and Watch*
R.O.B*
Mach Rider*!

3rd Party
Snake
Megaman[/COLLAPSE]

 

[Metal Overlord]

Would you guys be mad if you got every character you wanted except M2?

Hell yeah I would be! Even if Gary Moth****ing Oak got in, I'd still be completely pissed if that were the case...

 

[Aurane]

O.K.

Well then seeing as they've never been in the same Smash game together I don't really know how to answer that.

But I guess I can post this video now since it seems to be on topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qKE9SILpPm4

Eh, I've seen better. But that shadow-deal would make an awesome black-color for Mew2 ^^