New Smash Bros for WiiU

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Ugg I've had a bad morning. I was almost late to class and the vending machine stole my money.

Anyway so far I'm leaning towards:

Bowser Jr./Waluigi or Goroh, King K. Rool, Ridley, Mewtwo, Victini, Chrome, Palutena, Medusa, Mega Man, Takamaru, Little Mac, Saki, Issac,

With all Brawl characters returning. So 48 slots, 52 with transformations.

 

[Big-Cat]

@KumaOso: With it being likely that he would not use his painbrush and Shadow Mario transformation, it has me worried that he'll end up a clone. Hopefully, an unique move set can be made for him despite these disadvantages and I'm curious to see what you come up with.

Give me until at least Wednesday. I'm gonna try to come up with something for Bowser Jr that invovles most if not all his siblings.

And I've been thinking some more about there being more normals next go around. Considering that chains are in just about every single fighting game out there, I wouldn't be surprised to see Smash implement this in the future. It's easy to use, gives you actual combos, and can make matches go by much quicker instead of these dreaded 8 minute matches.

 

[Starphoenix]

If FE looks out of place, so should LoZ, and Pit, and Falcon..

Better yet if Final Fantasy is out of place than what about Metal Gear Solid?

And I'm not discrediting Final Fantasy, but there is no consistent icon for the series that appears in every game. Black Mage, sure, but people would whine about all the Terra clones (Terra rocks, while Squall and Cloud are meah).

Dragon Quest is bigger than all franchises represented in Smash but the Mario, Pokémon, and perhaps Sonic and Zelda franchises, whilst only Mario and Pokémon are bigger than Final Fantasy.

Still, I don't see a Final Fantasy representative being worthy, including the Black Mage. Slime has been a constant and a favorite, and Dragon Quest has recently switched back to Nintendo (and thus could deserve a reward of representation in smash).

No consistent icon? What about Dragon Quest then? That series' character situation is even more volatile than Final Fantasy's! lol

I don't know about a constant favorite, among the Japanese gamers probably. Here, not so much. Although as I have said in the past I do think Nintendo's affiliation with the series, among other advantages, gives Dragon Quest the upper hand when competing with Final Fantasy.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Medusa would smell like

Spoiler

nothing at all

???

Nope, she would smell like Snake cuz she obviously has them.

 

[Aurane]

Anyone notice my crappy Tetra/Toon Zelda moveset?

 

[Oasis_S]

Nope, she would smell like Snake cuz she obviously has them.

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llycuqR4DW1qafrh6.gif

There you go.


Making a PREDICTION roster is stressful. I somehow ended up with LESS than what I had expected to. "Oh, I guess I can add these guys then. DARN IT now I'm over what I expected. AAAA BUT NOW WHO CAN I CUT."

I will never be comfortable with it.

 

[ComradeCanada]

Better yet if Final Fantasy is out of place than what about Metal Gear Solid?

LoZ, Pit and Falcon all have bright, primary colours and oversized features (less noticeably with Zelda characters, admittedly) and even so FE isn't TOO out of place, because at least the characters have a strict Medieval theme.

Metal Gear IS a little out of it's element, as it should be being a non-nintendo property, but Snake's antics and MGS2 outfit make him brightly coloured and silly enough that it fits in.

Could you imagine Cloud and co. mentioning Mario in a way that wouldn't feel at least a little weird? Snake breaks the 4th wall, Link has seen pics, Pit has his big hands and feet which make him cartoony enough to BE a mario character, but most of the popular FF chars just look weird.

Exceptions to Terra, who would fit right in next to Peach/Zelda and Moogle/Ninja.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I'm gonna guess we'll get maybe 5 newcomers at the most, and drop Ike (replaced by the Hero of Shadow) Luke (Replaced by Zoroark) and possibly (but unfortunatley) Lucas. Ideally we'll get some more villains, but it's unlikely.

I would drop Lucas as well or perhaps replace him with Masked Man or an unlikely Porky, or simply bring back Ness on his own for that matter.

I don't think any other Fire Emblem rep is going to happen aside from Chrome or Roy if Ike does get replaced, if it's an FE rep it's definetly between those three candidates, Marth is a shoe-in, I would include Victini instead of Zoroark or possibly Genesect if a movie did come out, of course; Mewtwo would be included since he seems very popular in Japan and is heavily demanded as well.

 

[Aurane]

I'm going to go to a concert, and I'm making lyrics for the Smash Bros Melee theme. God, this'll be interesting... (I rule, u drool )

 

[OmegaXXII]

Why don't you record it? Or at least say what it's about lol.

 

[OmegaXXII]

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_llycuqR4DW1qafrh6.gif

There you go.


Making a PREDICTION roster is stressful. I somehow ended up with LESS than what I had expected to. "Oh, I guess I can add these guys then. DARN IT now I'm over what I expected. AAAA BUT NOW WHO CAN I CUT."

I will never be comfortable with it.

Well...make two versions of it, that way we can compare and contrast and recommend who you should have or not, if it's image based of course.

 

[ComradeCanada]

I would drop Lucas as well or perhaps replace him with Masked Man or an unlikely Porky, or simply bring back Ness on his own for that matter.

I don't think any other Fire Emblem rep is going to happen aside from Chrome or Roy if Ike does get replaced, if it's an FE rep it's definetly between those three candidates, Marth is a shoe-in, I would include Victini instead of Zoroark or possibly Genesect if a movie did come out, of course; Mewtwo would be included since he seems very popular in Japan and is heavily demanded as well.

Oh, it's not what I WOULD do if I had control over the roster, but it's what I suspect will happen.

I see Chrome mentioned a lot, FE is a bit to RPGish for my taste, what's his deal?

Why does Victini keep getting up-voted over the thing that's basically the gen's mascot? Does Victini have a movie event or something I'm not aware of? If so, how was it received? I also think Mewtwo is likely to return, since he was slated for returning in Brawl, if I recall.

 

[ComradeCanada]

Tried to post this to a blog, but it keeps coming up with a validation error, and it's just not worth fixing, here's my speculation:

I'm at work, so I can't play anything, so here's my attempt at a 55 to 60 characters SSBIV prediction as suggested through the thread. I didn't make it to that many, because I honestly can't see any other Characters getting in besides the ones mentioned, and even then, I just added a lot of these to fluff the roster out. Newcomers in italics, anything I feel needed an explanation should have one.

48/53

Mario Series
Mario
Luigi
Peach
Bowser
Bowser Jr. - I think Bowser Jr. Has great potential for a moveset, and won't appear, save as a faster Bowser clone, and even then, it'd be unlikely. Regardless, I'd still play as the guy.

yoshi series
ONLY YOSHI. - WHAT OTHER CHARACTERS ARE THERE EVEN? KAMEK? THAT ONE ENEMY? WHO CARES?

Wario Series
Wario - I think Wario is a safe bet to return, but his cronies just don't have the history or awareness for a moveset.

DK series
Donkey Kong
Diddy Kong
Dixie Kong - I only put Dixie because I remember she was slated for Brawl, and I think that helps her chances.
King K Rool - IF the Kong series gets 4 reps, I think we are guaranteed a villain. we would've gotten him earlier, but I don't think a moveset was even thought of for him.

Zelda Series
Link
Toon Link - It's possible Toon Link won't appear, since I haven't heard word of a new handheld game from the Zelda series.
Zelda/Sheik
Ganondorf
Skyward Sword's Flamboyant villain - Incredibly dubious on this one. I'm only suggesting it because I want more Zelda, but I'd honestly be happier with Majora or Stalfos Knight, neither of whom have a prayer.

Metroid Series
Samus
Zero Suit Samus
Ridley - Ridley got a lot more characterization in Other M, good or bad. Whereas that game REALLY hurt Samus, I think it helped Ridley's chances in Smash Bros out a little, if nothing else. Also, he's the only character that appears in the Melee intro that hasn't been made a playable character yet.
Adam - I hope not, but I think he's honestly more likely then Ridley.

Starfox Series - I'm hoping we stay at these 3, I honestly don't see the need to drag any more characters into it.
Fox
Falco
Wolf

Kirby Series - Think of another Kirby character that isn't a minion or a final boss that's appeared in multiple games, and you'll realize, there's no where else to go with this roster.
Kirby
Kind Dedede
Metaknight

Mother Series
Lucas - Lucas actually runs the risk of not returning, since his moveset wasn't really unique (a missed oppurtunity, to be sure) and his game is no longer current. I do hope he does though.
Ness

Kid Icarus Series
Pit
Magnus - Sakurai worked on the new Kid Icarus game, and mentioned getting ideas for Brawl, a quick wiki of the major characters makes me think Magnus is the most likely from that roster to make it in, though I think Black Pit is also a possibility (but will probably just be a Pit outfit)
Eggplant Wizard - Yeah, this one's a joke.

Fire Emblem Series
Marth
"Hero of the Shadow"/Ike - I think this really depends on if they choose to go with the handheld protagonist or Ike, and if they decide that the "Hero of the Shadow" is the protagonist and not Marth. I suspect the moveset won't vary to greatly though.
The New Fire Emblem's Main Villain/The Black Knight - Depends on which of the above is picked, if both are picked, neither of these guys has a prayer. Either way, I don't think FE will get more then 2 reps unless the roster increases greatly.

F-Zero
Captain Falcon

Pokemon Series
Pokemon Trainer
Pikachu
Jigglypuff
Mewtwo - Only because he was supposed to make it into Brawl.
Zoroark - I think this will be a our current gen Pokemon Rep, taking the place of Pichu and Lucario, i doubt his moveset will change much from Luke's, which is kind of a shame.
Ditto Not actually a possibility, I suspect. I just think Ditto would be a cool concept, he would be your opponent's char, and in the case of multiple characters, load a different char each time you died.

Pikmin Series
Olimar

Golden Sun Series
Isaac - Dunno how well Isaac would fit, but if the Roster is expanding, I suspect he's got a pretty good shot.

Retro Series
Ice Climbers
ROB
Mr. Game and Watch
Balloon Fighter - I think Balloon Fighter is the most likely Retro addition, though I'm not sure we'll receive any.
Mach Rider - Doesn't actually have a chance. It's a shame too.

Other Nintendo
Mii - I think Mii is much more likely this time-around. During the Wii, we got no Mii characters in non-sports games made by Nintendo. However, with the WiiU, it looks like they'll be playable in NSMB (which is great) so maybe the WiiU will see some of those Miis getting the playability they deserve.

Third Party Characters - I think in reality we'd only get 3 max of these.
Sonic
Tails - Unlikely, but if Sega gets another rep, they won't "waste" it with a GOOD character!
Snake
Simon Belmont - I think Simon has the highest chance of being Konami's addtl rep, which is something of a shame, because Bomberman would be more interesting, but less of a shame then any other character, since his whip moves could make him pretty unique.
Bomberman - I would love to see this guy, I don't think he has a prayer, but he's one of my favorite characters.
Megaman - Megaman has a higher chance this time round, because Nintendo knows that his creator would allow it.

 

[Oasis_S]

Well...make two versions of it, that way we can compare and contrast and recommend who you should have or not, if it's image based of course.

I'm too STRONG to have my predictions SWAYED by SUGGESTION.

No... this is something I must conquer... alone.


And now, I RIDE.

 

[Aurane]

Why does Victini keep getting up-voted over the thing that's basically the gen's mascot? Does Victini have a movie event or something I'm not aware of? If so, how was it received? I also think Mewtwo is likely to return, since he was slated for returning in Brawl, if I recall.

Victini is the first Pokemon to have two movies with a Yin-yang plot. Also, yes, he is an event pkmn. He is lvl 50 and can learn Searing shot, Fusion Bolt, Fusion Flare, and V-Create. Also note that Victini's combo-Dual movie is ultra rare in the movie society overall.
As for Mewtwo, I'm not sure, but popular demand and the recent event or future occurance may improve his standards. I've overheard rumors of Mewtwo, Genesect, and Melloetta are in the same movie. But as a rumor too soon, I don't buy it. But it would be interesting

 

[Thino]

And now, I RIDE.

I thought you RIDLEY

 

[OmegaXXII]

That's Mach Rider, yup, ride like the wind Oasis

 

[Oasis_S]

I thought you RIDLEY

You better not be pronouncing RID-Lee as RIDE-Lee.

Though it involves Mach Rider and Ridley, so I can appreciate your efforts.

Yehs.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I see Chrome mentioned a lot, FE is a bit to RPGish for my taste, what's his deal?

Well, first off he is the latest FE rep that just got announced recently from FE13, well considering he is relevant we could say he might get considered in depending how well the game is taken and of course if Intelligent Systems or Sakurai show interest in him, otherwise I see Roy happening since he has high demand in Japan so much that he is the most requested vet to return alongside with Mewtwo who are both in a similar situation.

 

[SwayneGang]

Anyways, regarding characters...... has anyone made their predictions? I know Chu and I have...

Here are mine again: Zoroark, Deoxys, Mewtwo, Samurai Goroh, Ridley, Dixie Kong, King K. Rool, Palutena, Medusa, Little Mac, Issac, Shulk, Chrome, Roy, Young Link, Krystal, Toad, Bowser Jr. I'm sure I'll end up tweaking it a bit.

The rule of the guessing game, is you need to have your list done before E3 2012. You're supposed to try and be as accurate as possible.

I've already said my predictions, but if you want, I'll post them again. And I don't consider my list "accurate." It's more like "reasonable."

 

[OmegaXXII]

You better not be pronouncing RID-Lee as RIDE-Lee.

Though it involves Mach Rider and Ridley, so I can appreciate your efforts.

Yehs.

Funny you mention this, they both seem related now, RID-LEY is better the that Mach RIDER

 

[SwayneGang]

They should have one of Captain Falcon's alt looks be a Mach Rider design. I can see that happening.

 

[Shorts]

How do the predictions work? Do you go by some sort of a pointing system? For every character you guessed that DIDN'T make it you lose a point, and for every one that did you GAIN a point?

That's what I was thinkning. A point for right guesses, a point off for wrong. Person with the highest point count is dah bess.

If you have to say "Well, Mario will get Toad/Bowser Jr./Paper Mario. Pokemon will get Mewtwo/Lucario/Jigglypuff/Zoroark/Victini. Zelda will get Tingle/Ghirahim/Toon Link. Kid Icarus will get Medusa/Palutena. Donkey Kong will get Dixie/K. Rool. Fire Emblem will get Roy/Chrome/Ike. Takamaru/Mach Rider/Lip for retro characters. Mega Man/Ryu/Slime/Layton/Black Mage for third-party characters. ETC." then that's really not much of a prediction.

Only WEAKLINGS say "Well, I guessed EITHER Dixie or K. Rool, so I was right!"

ARE YOU WEAK, JOHN?! HAVE A BIT OF CONVICTION.

Well the point is, IF you guess both Dixie and K. Rool, and only one gets in, your sort of lost that point really.

NEW QUESTION: Which newcomer would smell the nicest?! Mach Rider probably smells like motor oil so I guess he's out.

Tingle. He will smell like Roses and Rupees.

You better not be pronouncing RID-Lee as RIDE-Lee.

That's how Mach pronounces it, and Ridley HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAATEEEEEEEEES IT.

 

[SwayneGang]

Wow, what happened last night? Things got crazy indeed??

It was a discussion of possible Mario reps; some would think we'd get one from either Mario's world or DK's world.

I listed possible candidates from the Mushroom Kingdom, but in all honesty, there's not many left. And I also came up with a Final Smash for Dr. Mario.

 

[OmegaXXII]

They should have one of Captain Falcon's alt looks be a Mach Rider design. I can see that happening.

So does Mach Rider really look similar to falcon in terms of costume? I guess if it's a palette swap of sorts, other than that I don't feel a character should be "invaded " by another when they can merit their own, for example Daisy shouldn't be a swap of Peach, Peach should either have her own palette colors or have an ACTUAL alternate costume that's her's like Wario does since he happens to have both his WarioLand and WarioWare costumes, that's how it should be done.

 

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I can see Captain Falcon getting a Mach Rider Alternate Costume.

Heck, isn't Falcon Sakurai's favorite character to use, and isn't Mach Rider his favorite retro character choice. Makes sense to me.

 

[SwayneGang]

So does Mach Rider really look similar to falcon in terms of costume? I guess if it's a palette swap of sorts

That's what I meant; a palette swap. And there are some similarities between the two. Similar build, they both wear helmets, at least one shoulder pad. Heck, who's to say that Captain Falcon's slot was originally intended to go to Mach Rider?

 

[Starphoenix]

LoZ, Pit and Falcon all have bright, primary colours and oversized features (less noticeably with Zelda characters, admittedly) and even so FE isn't TOO out of place, because at least the characters have a strict Medieval theme.

Metal Gear IS a little out of it's element, as it should be being a non-nintendo property, but Snake's antics and MGS2 outfit make him brightly coloured and silly enough that it fits in.

Could you imagine Cloud and co. mentioning Mario in a way that wouldn't feel at least a little weird? Snake breaks the 4th wall, Link has seen pics, Pit has his big hands and feet which make him cartoony enough to BE a mario character, but most of the popular FF chars just look weird.

Exceptions to Terra, who would fit right in next to Peach/Zelda and Moogle/Ninja.

After having played a Final Fantasy game, I really find it difficult to believe it would really be anymore out of place than other series. There is plenty of color and humor throughout the series despite overemotional tendencies with the characters and stories. Just look at Mario Sports Mix, none of the Final Fantasy characters clashed with the other Mario characters. Yes, Dragon Quest has an artsyle that is more in line with what is typically seen coming from Nintendo. That does not mean that Final Fantasy can not work, because I assure it it can.

Snake is and was the most bizarre character addition in the series. Very few things can top that, even vomit inducing Cloud Strife. I'm, personally, a Cecil fan and can not see how he would be any less "appropriate" than Link or Marth?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I'd say anything from Final Fantasy II through VI(One has no named heroes, as classes don't count outside of a race), and perhaps stuff like the Tactics. I'd say Crystal Chronicles, but it has no specific hero either.

Terra's a good choice, though.

As for Dragon Quest, first game, the hero. He could still have moves related to spells in later games. It's not like pure accuracy was ever enforced in the SSB. Ness/Lucas, anyone?

 

[SwayneGang]

After having played a Final Fantasy game, I really find it difficult to believe it would really be anymore out of place than other series. There is plenty of color and humor throughout the series despite overemotional tendencies with the characters and stories. Just look at Mario Sports Mix, none of the Final Fantasy characters clashed with the other Mario characters. Yes, Dragon Quest has an artsyle that is more in line with what is typically seen coming from Nintendo. That does not mean that Final Fantasy can not work, because I assure it it can.

Snake is and was the most bizarre character addition in the series. Very few things can top that, even vomit inducing Cloud Strife. I'm, personally, a Cecil fan and can not see how he would be any less "appropriate" than Link or Marth?

Yes, it can work. There may be some core FF heroes and villains who have superpowers that are a little extreme (play Dissidia games to see), but they can be adjusted to fit the level of Smash Bros. perfectly.

BTW, Star. You don't have anything against Cloud, do you?

 

[OmegaXXII]

I like them ideas.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Cloud Strife is awesome, don't know why he hates or dislikes him so much. :/

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Cloud Strife is awesome, don't know why he hates or dislikes him so much. :/

Because he's barely had anything more than a tiny cameo on the GBA. So people want characters who had notable Nintendo appearances when it comes to Final Fantasy characters in SSB.

Also, FFVII is a bit overrated. That, and many people think he's only suggested due to fanboyism.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Because he's barely had anything more than a tiny cameo on the GBA. So people want characters who had notable Nintendo appearances when it comes to Final Fantasy characters in SSB.

Also, FFVII is a bit overrated. That, and many people think he's only suggested due to fanboyism.

Well, I for one know he doesn't stand a chance whatsoever, but knowing this if people say he should be in, is that a reason worth getting mad and showing him hate? Unless you genuinely dislike his game, or Sakurai favored Cloud personally I wouldn't get upset and hate him just because some wannabe fanboys say he should be in, in the end their opinions don't matter, only those of Sakurai do, it's futile to think otherwise.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well, I for one know he doesn't stand a chance whatsoever, but knowing this if people say he should be in, is that a reason worth getting mad and showing him hate? Unless you genuinely dislike his game, or Sakurai favored Cloud personally I wouldn't get upset and hate him just because some wannabe fanboys say he should be in, in the end their opinions don't matter, only those of Sakurai do, it's futile to think otherwise.

You have to keep in mind that it's been suggested over 1,000 times already(possibly an UNDERexaggeration). I think people get too worked up about it a bit, but if you're going to put characters who aren't important to Nintendo whatsoever, you should put a disclaimer that it's not a realistic list/roster. It's one thing to have a character from an unknown obscure game, but as long as it's a main Nintendo appearance, there would be significantly less hate since it's more realistic.

Plus, it's a case of Hate Dumb anyway. I won't lie, some people take it too seriously. I mean, I know the only Roster I made... I pretty much know it's not realistic, and is just for fun. Also, when you post unrealistic lists, you gotta be prepared to take the hate towards it.

 

[Starphoenix]

Yes, it can work. There may be some core FF heroes and villains who have superpowers that are a little extreme (play Dissidia games to see), but they can be adjusted to fit the level of Smash Bros. perfectly.

BTW, Star. You don't have anything against Cloud, do you?

Nothing except my undying disdain and disgust. Apart from that, I'm okay.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Glad to hear that, although I still want my Dragon Quest VIII hero.

 

[Shorts]

Nothing except my undying disdain and disgust. Apart from that, I'm okay.

Star loves Cloud. It's his favorite weather term. I still say Black Mage is best bet for for Final Fantasy.

 

[OmegaXXII]

You have to keep in mind that it's been suggested over 1,000 times already(possibly an UNDERexaggeration). I think people get too worked up about it a bit, but if you're going to put characters who aren't important to Nintendo whatsoever, you should put a disclaimer that it's not a realistic list/roster. It's one thing to have a character from an unknown obscure game, but as long as it's a main Nintendo appearance, there would be significantly less hate since it's more realistic.

Plus, it's a case of Hate Dumb anyway. I won't lie, some people take it too seriously. I mean, I know the only Roster I made... I pretty much know it's not realistic, and is just for fun. Also, when you post unrealistic lists, you gotta be prepared to take the hate towards it.

Yeah, some people are either trolling or have flawed logic when it cones to unrealistic characters and are stubborn to accept that fact that it's unrealistic, they tend to think it's actually worth having realistically, like Master Vhief for example, I in the past saw people ACTUALLY suggesting this as a serious candidate, and considering he's 3rd party material that seems very obscure when it comes to it's chances people will still say he should get in, obviously those kind of people don't want to ever think that their "favorite" character won't get in, I could relate if it was a Nintendo character from an obscure series, but to do so on an obscure and unlikely choice 3rd party choice is not being realistic thinking at all.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeah, some people are either trolling or have flawed logic when it cones to unrealistic characters and are stubborn to accept that fact that it's unrealistic, they tend to think it's actually worth having realistically, like Master Vhief for example, I in the past saw people ACTUALLY suggesting this as a serious candidate, and considering he's 3rd party material that seems very obscure when it comes to it's chances people will still say he should get in, obviously those kind of people don't want to ever think that their "favorite" character won't get in, I could relate if it was a Nintendo character from an obscure series, but to do so on an obscure and unlikely choice 3rd party choice is not being realistic thinking at all.

Right. To be fair, if Halo DS came out, Master Chief would be realistic in that specific note.

Of course, it's pretty unrealistic for multiple reasons. No Guns, for starters. Not on a Nintendo system in any shape or form. And then there's the worst parts where people would complain that he'd be too similar to Samus.

To say the least, Fan Dumb at its finest.

And if we're talking about Obscure Nintendo 3rd Party characters, as I said earlier, Brian from Quest 64. Yessssss... (if only THQ could be approached. Seriously, a true magic user!)