New Smash Bros for WiiU

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

We've suggested Kamek time and again

You did? It must've been before I started posting here...
Either way, I think Shy Guy has much more moveset potential, what with Snifits, Fly Guys, etc.

 

[reserk]

asking for shy guy is like asking for toad to be playable. i rather have bowser jr instead of them.

 

[Kantrip]

Paper Mario has potential to be unique.

Folding himself into a paper airplane. He can glide.
The partner system. He has a plethora of awesome abilities depending on his partner.
Hammer. He has a hammer that regular Mario definitely doesn't.
Different quantitative values with regards to weight, size, power, etc.

 

[Johnknight1]

Ok, so aside from his sideways shenanigans, which would be dodge, how is Paper Mario different from normal Mario? I've only ever played Super Paper Mario, so I'm a bit confused.

He uses a hammer, stomping is a move (I guess the same with 2D Mario), he can turn into an airplane, a rolled ball, and could possibly use the endless possibilities of being made of paper to be totally original.

Plus there's all the moves from badges in Paper Mario and Paper Mario: The Thousand Year Door, and the dimension thing and features in Super Paper Mario to draw upon (hopefully not on Paper Mario).

 

[Shorts]

Square Enix owns every character who's first game was Super Mario RPG, since they were the developer of that game and Nintendo did not try to acquire rights for them. That includes (but is not limited to) Geno, Mallow, Croco, Boshi, Peach's Frying Pan I named Roberta, etc.

However, if Nintendo wanted they could try to go to court to get joint-custody of characters from Super Mario RPG, or even sole custody of rights to Super Mario RPG original characters.

That or they could ask Square Enix for joint-custody rights of Super Mario RPG original characters, which they might not actually mind (perhaps with some free money).

Or just be like "Yo Genzo4Smash?"

And Square will be like: "Lol.Ya but you gotta take Slime too"

And then Nintendo will be slightly annoyed so they just say "Kk."

 

[Johnknight1]

Or just be like "Yo Genzo4Smash?"

And Square will be like: "Lol.Ya but you gotta take Slime too"

And then Nintendo will be slightly annoyed so they just say "Kk."

I think we would all be for that move (both Slime and Geno are cool).

And if you aren't, rabid Super Mario RPG, Dragon Quest, and Square Enix fans already murdered you and your entire family.

 

[Aurane]

Lucario doesn't smell. YOU DO
But neways, I HAVE TO SLEEP! Oh, and BTW:

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

asking for shy guy is like asking for toad to be playable. i rather have bowser jr instead of them.

Not really... At least Shy Guy can fight... All Toad can do is be really annoying.
Plus, why couldn't we have both? Bowser Jr. for Mario and Shy Guy for Yoshi. Problem solved.

 

[Johnknight1]

If we got Ridley and Mega Man I would speed deliver Sakurai my 60 dollars. Geno would be the icing on the cake, and Slime would be the yummy cherries!

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Sakurai loves Dragon Quest anyway.

I still believe Square is the most logical rep for a character in smash.

After all, they've done more Nintendo crossovers than any other company

 

[Shorts]

I think we would all be for that move (both Slime and Geno are cool).

And if you aren't, rabid Super Mario RPG, Dragon Quest, and Square Enix fans already murdered you and your entire family.

I think Slime is a GOOD choice, but much more risky than someone like Black Mage. Geno is dah bess choice IMO, but is probably one of the worst choices in terms of universal appeal.

 

[ComradeCanada]

No. Just... no. Leave him in the ball. Ledgendaries are only boss material. Not... Snorlax -_-

Snorlax could legit beat most legendaries until 5th gen. Don't get mad because his design is somewhat humorous.

He could be a super heavy. Here's a ****ty quick movelist with some ideas.

Up B -> Hyper Beam, charges similar to Rob's beam, but in the air you fire straight down, allowing you to recover.
Side B -> Body Slam/Crunch/Rollout
Neut B -> Ice Beam/Flamethrower/Curse (You're slowed for a period of time, but gain minimal heavy armor for each Curse you stack (while still getting slower,) and do more damage/knockback.)
Down B -> Earth Quake/Counter/rest/protect

Fsmash could be headbutt, or a shoulder tackle
Ftilt Megapunch,
Jab could be double kick/comet punch
dsmash could be smackdown,
dtilt could be a milder rollout
usmash could be an uppercut or another form of headbutt,
utilt could be lick or fury swipes

nair could have him spin in the air,
fair could be a swipe or a bite,
bair easilly could be a drop kick
dair could have him sit and fall quickly
uair could be a swipe, a bite, or a silly-kick.

Dude would be great in a Smash game, not as good as Machamp, mind you, but still great.

 

[Johnknight1]

Sakurai loves Dragon Quest anyway.

I still believe Square is the most logical rep for a character in smash.

After all, they've done more Nintendo crossovers than any other company

After Mega Man! Mega Man first baby! Give me Mega Man and Ridley and I wouldn't mind Tingle and Waluigi making it.

There, I SAID IT!!!

I think Slime is a GOOD choice, but much more risky than someone like Black Mage. Geno is dah bess choice IMO, but is probably one of the worst choices in terms of universal appeal.

Slime is a great choice, and probably would be the most logical choice after Snake, Sonic, and Mega Man (we got room for three to five 3rd party characters).

Geno is a better character and has more potential, but Slime definitely has the most appeal of anyone who isn't Mega Man or Pac-Man worldwide, and probably more than at least Pac-Man and maybe Geno in Japan.

 

[Drclaw411]

i'd like to officially start the Imajin for Brawl campaign!

He is the main character Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic. Otherwise known as Super Mario Bros 2. He is a first party character. And his creator? None other than Shigeru Miyamoto himself.

Now, first, i'll explain the game. It was created as a Japan exclusive for the Famicom (NES). It was about a family trying to rescue to kids. But when it was time to release Super Mario Bros 2 in the United States of America, Nintendo decided the real SMB2 (later released here as Super Mario Bros: Lost Levels), was to hard of a game for the American audience.

So the solution? They gave Doki Doki Panic a Mario face lift. They replaced Papa, Mama, Imajin, and Lina (the Yume Kojo family and main characters of the game) with Mario, Peach, Luigi, and Toad. They changed many other things as well, which can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yume_K%...oki_Doki_Panic

Imajin is the main character of what is the 2nd Mario game in the USA. He is a very unknown, yet very historical Nintendo character. It would be hillarious and awesome and WTF all at once to see him return to video games in Brawl, and the Imajin vs Mario matches would be epic.

If he doesnt seem important or historical enough from what I already have said, consider this: it was Imajin's game for which Birdo, Wart, and the ShyGuy's were created. Without Imajin's game, these characters would never have been in a single Mario game, much less the Mario cartoon. And guess what? The alternate world in Doki Doki Panic/Super Mario Bros 2 is called the Subspace. Imajin would be a great character to have.

This character needs to gain a following. Imajin was created by Miyamoto, and I honestly think if Miyamoto or Sakurai were reminded of this character, he'd have a decent chance of being added to the game.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

i'd like to officially start the Imajin for Brawl campaign!

He is the main character Yume Kojo: Doki Doki Panic. Otherwise known as Super Mario Bros 2. He is a first party character. And his creator? None other than Shigeru Miyamoto himself.

Now, first, i'll explain the game. It was created as a Japan exclusive for the Famicom (NES). It was about a family trying to rescue to kids. But when it was time to release Super Mario Bros 2 in the United States of America, Nintendo decided the real SMB2 (later released here as Super Mario Bros: Lost Levels), was to hard of a game for the American audience.

So the solution? They gave Doki Doki Panic a Mario face lift. They replaced Papa, Mama, Imajin, and Lina (the Yume Kojo family and main characters of the game) with Mario, Peach, Luigi, and Toad. They changed many other things as well, which can be found at: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yume_K%...oki_Doki_Panic

Imajin is the main character of what is the 2nd Mario game in the USA. He is a very unknown, yet very historical Nintendo character. It would be hillarious and awesome and WTF all at once to see him return to video games in Brawl, and the Imajin vs Mario matches would be epic.

If he doesnt seem important or historical enough from what I already have said, consider this: it was Imajin's game for which Birdo, Wart, and the ShyGuy's were created. Without Imajin's game, these characters would never have been in a single Mario game, much less the Mario cartoon. And guess what? The alternate world in Doki Doki Panic/Super Mario Bros 2 is called the Subspace. Imajin would be a great character to have.

This character needs to gain a following. Imajin was created by Miyamoto, and I honestly think if Miyamoto or Sakurai were reminded of this character, he'd have a decent chance of being added to the game.

The characters in Doki Doki panic are anime characters

Nintendo took anime characters and made up a strange world for them

 

[ComradeCanada]

After Mega Man! Mega Man first baby! Give me Mega Man and Ridley and I wouldn't mind Tingle and Waluigi making it.

There, I SAID IT!!!



Slime is a great choice, and probably would be the most logical choice after Snake, Sonic, and Mega Man (we got room for three to five 3rd party characters).

Geno is a better character and has more potential, but Slime definitely has the most appeal of anyone who isn't Mega Man or Pac-Man worldwide, and probably more than at least Pac-Man and maybe Geno in Japan.

Slime, Mega-man and Ridley all have really interesting potential move-sets that Tingle and Waluigi just AREN'T capable of.

 

[Shorts]

John Y U disregaurd Final Fantasy? I can tell you right now, Black Mage would be much more recognized in the states than Slime. Although Dragon Quest is becoming more popular. Still, it's no way near as popular here as it is in Japan, and Final Fantasy is more popular worldwide I'm sure.

STILL, Slime is a good choice. I think the best choices are either Slime, or Black Mage. I would say Sora, but we don't need to go around an ask Disney for rights to him... that sounds like...no good.

Slime, Mega-man and Ridley all have really interesting potential move-sets that Tingle and Waluigi just AREN'T capable of.

You don't know much about Tingle I take it.

 

[reserk]

those who don't know geno never played super mario rpg. shame on them.

 

[ComradeCanada]

You don't know much about Tingle I take it.

I'm not talking about B-moves, Tingle would excel at those, I just can't see his A game being interesting compared to the characters I mentioned.

 

[Kantrip]

Nothing wrong with slaps and headbutts and punches.

Everyone else is doing it.

 

[Johnknight1]

I'm pretty sure Doki Doki Panic came to Shigeru Miyamoto in some creepy dream.

Also, Slime, Ridley, and Mega Man are totally worthy and could be incredibly unique. Waluigi would be awful, and Tingle is hated and unworthy. At least Pichu was very popular before Melee came out, whereas Tingle is only minimally popular in Japan, and even there his games don't sell for crap. Plus he hasn't appeared in a Zelda game in over half a decade. Plus all of his moves would steal from a possible great Balloon Fighter move set...

And I'm not discrediting Final Fantasy, but there is no consistent icon for the series that appears in every game. Black Mage, sure, but people would whine about all the Terra clones (Terra rocks, while Squall and Cloud are meah).

Dragon Quest is bigger than all franchises represented in Smash but the Mario, Pokémon, and perhaps Sonic and Zelda franchises, whilst only Mario and Pokémon are bigger than Final Fantasy.

Still, I don't see a Final Fantasy representative being worthy, including the Black Mage. Slime has been a constant and a favorite, and Dragon Quest has recently switched back to Nintendo (and thus could deserve a reward of representation in smash).

 

[Shorts]

I'm not talking about B-moves, Tingle would excel at those, I just can't see his A game being interesting compared to the characters I mentioned.

You give him the right B moves, and the moveset will build itself. Pichu and Jigglypuff have pretty lame A moves. A moves usually aren't supposed to be flashy. They're jsut physical attacks.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

You give him the right B moves, and the moveset will build itself. Pichu and Jigglypuff have pretty lame A moves. A moves usually aren't supposed to be flashy. They're jsut physical attacks.

Just make his A moves as flamboyant as possible and you have yourself a character

 

[ComradeCanada]

But it's about character. Mario has a strong and heroic movement that makes him feel like Mario, Ganon has that powerful and foreboding essence.

Tingle has eccentricity, which is awesome and fun, but harder to balance a fighter on. I'm not saying Tingle DOESN'T have a character about him, I'm saying it isn't as deep from a fighting game perspective as Ridley, Megaman or Slime.

 

[Johnknight1]

Nothing wrong with slaps and headbutts and punches.

Everyone else is doing it.

It depends what kinds of slaps, headbutts, punches, kicks, and whatnot.

If they can be original, that's nice.

But if somebody is more popular or more unique and could do it as good as better, throw him away. And trust me, there are many characters that could do what Tingle could do better-like a Balloon Fighter, Ridley, or Dixie Kong.

Why settle for something that could be okay when you could be excellent=??? It's like being okay with your younger brother being your best player on your pickup basketball team when you can have Kobe Bryant on your team. That's my issue with Tingle.

Ridley = Kobe Bryant
Waluigi = Some random homeless guy.
Mega Man = Michael Jordan
Tingle = Rosie O'Donell

Who would you rather have on your basketball team=???

 

[Shorts]

Just make his A moves as flamboyant as possible and you have yourself a character

If people find male Peach users annoying....JUST YOU WAIT. Ohhh this would be so good.

Dragon Quest is bigger than all franchises represented in Smash but the Mario, Pokémon, and perhaps Sonic and Zelda franchises, whilst only Mario and Pokémon are bigger than Final Fantasy.

The way some have explained it to me or hinted at, Final Fantasy is much bigger worldwide.

 

[ComradeCanada]

IDK, Final Fantasy seems less compatible with Brawl then Dragon Quest does for the same reason the Fire Emblem characters look out of place to me.

Not saying it CAN'T happen, but the one Nintendo exclusive game reps are pretty low.

and we could do better then tired old Black Mage. He's cool, but he's no Flint.

 

[Kantrip]

I don't think the stereotypical gay hand flip is in use yet. I'm sure Tingle could use it well.

 

[Shorts]

I don't think the stereotypical gay hand flip is in use yet. I'm sure Tingle could use it well.

If not him, Marth.

Seriously though, this is why I want him.

Tingle = Rosie O'Donell

HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THE GENIUS BEHIND THIS CHARACTER?!

IDK, Final Fantasy seems less compatible with Brawl then Dragon Quest does for the same reason the Fire Emblem characters look out of place to me.

If FE looks out of place, so should LoZ, and Pit, and Falcon..

 

[Johnknight1]

The way some have explained it to me or hinted at, Final Fantasy is much bigger worldwide.

Not bigger than Pokémon or Mario. Just look at sales.

Every Pokémon generation minus Gen 3 has sold 20 million units or more each games (1 new duo games, and 1 duo of remakes). That means all of Gen 4 sold over 40 million, and that's not including Platinum Version! WOAW!

Final Fantasy XIII sold about 6.2 million units, while Final Fantasy XIV has sold about 800,000 units.

Trust me, Pokémon and Mario make that monster of a franchise look small.

 

[ComradeCanada]

He's really, better suited for assist trophy duty.

 

[Shorts]

Not bigger than Pokémon or Mario. Just look at sales.

Every Pokémon generation minus Gen 3 has sold 20 million units or more each games (1 new duo games, and 1 duo of remakes). That means all of Gen 4 sold over 40 million, and that's not including Platinum Version! WOAW.

No Pokemon games have sold over 26 Million. That was Red and Blue. At least that's what I've been reading for the past year.

Black and White have sold about 11 million.

 

[Johnknight1]

HOW CAN YOU NOT SEE THE GENIUS BEHIND THIS CHARACTER?!

It's overshadowed by Balloon Fighter, K. Rool, Dixie Kong, Paper Mario, Bowser Jr. (could be fun), Ridley, Mega Man, Victini, Zoroark, a redone Mewtwo, Tails, Knuckles, a redone Roy, a new Fire Emblem representative, Krystal (lulz), Mach Rider, Sukapon, a redone Pichu, Plusle and Minun, Miis, Deoxys, Grey Fox (from Metal Gear!), Takamaru, Saki, Issac, Slime, Black Mage (killing ya' with your own idea!), Pac-Man, even Toad.

Oh and he hasn't appeared in a game since the unsuccessful Minish Cap, along with Vatti (who played a much bigger role, and was the main villain in 3 Zelda games).

If FE looks out of place, so should LoZ, and Pit, and Falcon..

Those fit with Nintendo because they are Nintendo.

A lot of Final Fantasy characters are just clones of Terra, and are way too emotionally-obsessed in general.

You never really see an emotionally-driven Nintendo hero, but rather one driven by justice.

But I do agree that the Black Mage would fit perfectly. Specific characters like Cloud or Squall would feel out of place.

Kafka could make an EPIC BOSS in smash!

 

[Steam]

oh look, FF discussion about smash. I guess everything else has been beaten to death...

 

[Johnknight1]

No Pokemon games have sold over 26 Million. That was Red and Blue. At least that's what I've been reading for the past year.

Black and White have sold about 11 million.

Black and White WILL sell over 20 million units, guaranteed. Heart Gold and Soul Silver probably will, too.

11 million in about 10 months is still a lot better than Final Fantasy XIII's 6.5 million sales in the past what... 2 years? Or Final Fantasy XIV's disastrous 800,000 or so units sold in about the same time.

Really, Final Fantasy XIV as a whole is a disaster.

Also, I agree that Final Fantasy shows we're kinda dead on terms of new subjects. We need more stupid rumors, like the guy who made No More Heroes promoting Travis Touchdown for Smash.

But yeah, if we got Slime, possibly Final Fantasy characters and definitely Dragon Quest characters would come along for the ride, for better or worse. *meah*

 

[Drclaw411]

The characters in Doki Doki panic are anime characters

Nintendo took anime characters and made up a strange world for them

that's true, but it's still different from Naruto or Goku imho. Miyamoto created the world of that game, and iirc he also had some sort of involvement in developing the characters originally. The game is the only reason some of the most famous Mario characters and icons are in the series today. Imajin's game is a HUGE part of Mario history.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Black and White WILL sell over 20 million units, guaranteed. Heart Gold and Soul Silver probably will, too.

11 million in about 10 months is still a lot better than Final Fantasy XIII's 6.5 million sales in the past what... 2 years? Or Final Fantasy XIV's disastrous 800,000 or so units sold in about the same time.

Really, Final Fantasy XIV as a whole is a disaster.

Also, I agree that Final Fantasy shows we're kinda dead on terms of new subjects. We need more stupid rumors, like the guy who made No More Heroes promoting Travis Touchdown for Smash.

But yeah, if we got Slime, possibly Final Fantasy characters and definitely Dragon Quest characters would come along for the ride, for better or worse. *meah*

FF should make more old school RPG's. Preferably in the world of ivalace.

Imagine a FF3/5 game in the world of Ivalace. My dream FF

 

[Johnknight1]

FF should make more old school RPG's. Preferably in the world of ivalace.

Imagine a FF3/5 game in the world of Ivalace. My dream FF

Final Fantasy III-VI were incredible. I and II were revolutionary though.

I would love a old school character from those games, whether Cecil (IV), Bartz (V), or my favorite, Terra (VI).

I would love those characters, especially since they were on the Super Nintendo and were a huge part of what made the Super Nintendo RPG the best RPG console ever.

 

[Big-Cat]

You know, I see Mario characters being discussed again and this is the perfect time to bring up an idea from the past.

I think what would be neat to help Bowser Jr. stand out is to use moves involving his siblings. Prime examples would be CapCom in the MvC series and Parasoul in the upcoming Skullgirls. Here's some of her and her army in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EIGjSpP7_Q4

Reposting this since it got lost in the see of character chance discussions. At least with this, we can discuss ways to implement Bowser Jr. outside of that damn paint brush and the even dumber Shadow Mario idea.

 

[Johnknight1]

Yeah the Shadow Mario idea died. Besides, Shadow Mario hasn't appeared (at least as transformation for Bowser Jr) in what? 8 years?

Bowser Jr could be an interesting mix of Bowser's power and Mario's friendly all-around playability.