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[OmegaXXII]

Hmm..obscure Nintendo choices eh?

Let's see....

Earthworm Jim
Starman
King Wart
Killer Instict (was in Nintendo before)
Banjo Kazooie (was in Nintendo)
Rawk Hawk
Waluigi

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Hmm..obscure Nintendo choices eh?

Let's see....

Earthworm Jim
Starman
King Wart
Killer Instinct (was in Nintendo before)
Banjo Kazooie (was in Nintendo)
Rawk Hawk
Waluigi

You mean the Earthbound Starman? All of those would be good choices. Well, except Waluigi and possibly Rawk Hawk.

 

[SwayneGang]

Hmm... that reminds me of something I saw in Melee's credits.

Perfect Dark...?

 

[OmegaXXII]

You mean the Earthbound Starman? All of those would be good choices. Well, except Waluigi and possibly Rawk Hawk.

Yeah, Starman from Earthbound, nobody EVER seems to suggest him whatsoever, Orbulon as well, personally I like Rawk Hawk so it really wouldn't matter if he got in, all I want is Paper Mario, but even he doesn't look as likely as say Ridley.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Yeah, Starman from Earthbound, nobody EVER seems to suggest him whatsoever, Orbulon as well, personally I like Rawk Hawk so it really wouldn't matter if he got in, all I want is Paper Mario, but even he doesn't look as likely as say Ridley.

Well, what would Starman do? That's the key thing. I don't know what Paper Mario characters(besides himself) would best fit. That's hard to say, really.

Who was Orbulon again? Also, Ridley, yes. He should be playable.(I'll even take the boss mode I talked about earlier.)

 

[SubparSmashBrother]

Paper Luigi (mr. L) would be cool to go along with paper mario. Other than that nothing is really that important from the paper mario series to denote a character, except MAYBE Dimentio from SPM (though he'd be an assist trophy at best)

 

[OmegaXXII]

Well, what would Starman do? That's the key thing. I don't know what Paper Mario characters(besides himself) would best fit. That's hard to say, really.

Who was Orbulon again? Also, Ridley, yes. He should be playable.(I'll even take the boss mode I talked about earlier.)

Well this is Rawk Hawk, he was a boss in Paper Mario:TTYD

Spoiler

And this is Orbulon, he comes from WarioWare, heck even Starphoenix created a moveset for him.

Spoiler

As for Starman well, I'm uncertain how exactly he would play but people in the past (during the Brawl hype) suggested he be playable, he seemed very interesting and is could possibly be considered a "WTF! type of character, although not as much as Duck Hunt Dog or an obscure retro character would be.

Yeah man, that Boss Mode needs to happen, it would be so epic playing as them bosses and kicking the playable characters rumps for once.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well this is Rawk Hawk, he was a boss in Paper Mario:TTYD

Spoiler

And this is Orbulon, he comes from WarioWare, heck even Starphoenix created a moveset for him.

Spoiler

As for Starman well, I'm uncertain how exactly he would play but people in the past (during the Brawl hype) suggested he be playable, he seemed very interesting and is could possibly be considered a "WTF! type of character, although not as much as Duck Hunt Dog or an obscure retro character would be.

Yeah man, that Boss Mode needs to happen, it would be so epic playing as them bosses and kicking the playable characters rumps for once.

Ah. I'll just say that I cannot stand WarioWare outside of some characters and leave it at that. I actually own all 3 Paper Mario games(and soon the 3DS version). He's a cool character(Rawk Hawk), but I wonder if he could have a good moveset. Likewise, I'd say he's somewhat obscure overall. Then again, in the midst of Mario games themselves, SMRPG is also somewhat obscure.

I could see Starman as an Assist Trophy, maybe. I'd like to see a moveset for him regardless.

@SubparSmashBrother: Dimentio could be interesting, with the L-Bot as his Final Smash. I admit you don't fight him enough. Or maybe a team with Mimi, O-Chunks, Dimentio, and Bleck together?

 

[OmegaXXII]

Paper Luigi (mr. L) would be cool to go along with paper mario. Other than that nothing is really that important from the paper mario series to denote a character, except MAYBE Dimentio from SPM (though he'd be an assist trophy at best)

I hear Dimentio would also be good, Mr.L should be a Luigi alternate costume indeed, reason isay this is because I don't ever see Mr.L as a likely candidate, heck not even Paper Mario is that likely, bit the idea is cool, reminds me of Baby Mario and Baby Luigi being a tag team for Smash as suggested by others, it would be kind of nice to have a second duo.

 

[Drclaw411]

i demand the blue mario that sat in the judges chair in mario 64 tennis. and i demand a completley unique moveset.

 

[OmegaXXII]

@HyperFalcon: Yeah man, I would like to see content from SMRPG, even though I've never played it, tbe music is marvelous, I also would like to see a possible setting from it in Adventure mode, like the sword castle or the forest for example, speaking of which, does Geno somewhat seem obscure now? I remember during the Brawl hype that he had his own alliance and was very demanded that he was on Sakurai's poll, although I think he may have lost alot of that hype and has somewhat lost it's demand due to it's letdown afterwards, I mean we didn't even get a sticker of Geno, much less a trophy of some sort which I find somewhat ironic.

 

[Drclaw411]

I actually think Zip from Fling Smash might be a cool addition. They could get creative with his moveset.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I can't wait for some new music tracks , especially those from Pokemon.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@HyperFalcon: Yeah man, I would like to see content from SMRPG, even though I've never played it, tbe music is marvelous, I also would like to see a possible setting from it in Adventure mode, like the sword castle or the forest for example, speaking of which, does Geno somewhat seem obscure now? I remember during the Brawl hype that he had his own alliance and was very demanded that he was on Sakurai's poll, although I think he may have lost alot of that hype and has somewhat lost it's demand due to it's letdown afterwards, I mean we didn't even get a sticker of Geno, much less a trophy of some sort which I find somewhat ironic.

I meant the game in general is fairly obscure compared to the other Mario series. As for Geno, I think it's because Square Enix is working with Nintendo again, so they know the chances for him are much better. It means that the debate about him is not needed, since as I said, the chances have heavily increased.

Sakurai couldn't put him in the last game, possibly due to SE's meh relationship with Nintendo at the time. This is a theory, though.

I can't wait for some new music tracks , especially those from Pokemon.

Am I the only one that wants some of the stuff from the Anime? Specifically music that isn't a theme. (like Heroes of Hoenn)

 

[OmegaXXII]

I meant the game in general is fairly obscure compared to the other Mario series. As for Geno, I think it's because Square Enix is working with Nintendo again, so they know the chances for him are much better. It means that the debate about him is not needed, since as I said, the chances have heavily increased.

Sakurai couldn't put him in the last game, possibly due to SE's meh relationship with Nintendo at the time. This is a theory, though.



Am I the only one that wants some of the stuff from the Anime? Specifically music that isn't a theme. (like Heroes of Hoenn)

Well, to be fair, even though Square Enix currently has a good relationship with Nintendo I thing it's safe to say that a Square rep is indeed within the realm of possibility, it isn't an obscure thought, however since Sakurai has favored and even praised the Dragon Quest series I believe Dragon Quest is more likely to get a rep, Slime for that matter, since Square-Enix has released multiple exclusive Dragon Quest games for Nintendo and even has a Fortune Street which will feature BOTH Mario and Dragon Quest characters in the same game, I believe it's looking obvious who it might be, of course, if Square all of a sudden showed interest in Geno or if Geno became relevant in some way or form then I could see him likely again because it would mean Square nor Nintendo hasn't completely forgotten about him, for the time being thought, it seems obvious that Slime looks to be the more likely rep, maybe perhaps Black Mage??

Also this track from Pokemon should be in.

Pokemon Red/Blue - Champion Theme

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well, to be fair, even though Square Enix currently has a good relationship with Nintendo I thing it's safe to say that a Square rep is indeed within the realm of possibility, it isn't an obscure thought, however since Sakurai has favored and even praised the Dragon Quest series I believe Dragon Quest is more likely to get a rep, Slime for that matter, since Square-Enix has released multiple exclusive Dragon Quest games for Nintendo and even has a Fortune Street which will feature BOTH Mario and Dragon Quest characters in the same game, I believe it's looking obvious who it might be, of course, if Square all of a sudden showed interest in Geno or if Geno became relevant in some way or form then I could see him likely again because it would mean Square nor Nintendo hasn't completely forgotten about him.

I never said it wasn't in the realm of possibility. I still question how Slime can fight, however. He had no legs or feet. Even a spellcaster character like Black Mage can still do something like stab people and move around. I mean, some fighting games can make Slime work, like M.U.G.E.N., but a pure spell moveset has balance issues. All of Slime's spells would have tons of range, meaning he'd be unproachable. This is why Zelda has physical attacks too. Albeit, I'm not going to say anything about how good she is, but the idea of balance is in mind.

I know my Brian moveset was way too powerful, and you can find it in the Backroom, but he only has a few ranged attacks. Imagine if Marth could sent out tons of projectiles ontop of the range he already has in Melee. That's not good at all. Lastly, most of Slime's physical attacks are heavily limited. Which is why I proposed a notable hero OR a monster with a playable body shape. Slime Knight is a good example of this. He has a sword, shield, and while no legs, two arms. He can bounce around or move very slowly like a slug. But his special could still have ranged attacks like Firebolt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv87lkkSr18 Heroes of Hoenn. It'd be sad if it got skipped over. They included the non-Anime version of the Pokemon Gym theme.(when you enter it. I just wish it wasn't combined with the Pokemon Evolution theme)

 

[Drclaw411]

what is everyone expecting from Subspace Emissary 2?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

what is everyone expecting from Subspace Emissary 2?

Non-generic Kirby-Wannabe enemies in my case. Likewise with stages. Also, no parts of the storyline omitted, and that EVERY character is key to the plot, not just one or two series.(SSB and Kirby)

 

[OmegaXXII]

Well, let's look at it if he got paired up with Chocobo, a lot of you may feel this to be a strange suggestion, but in reality this would be a wonderfully unexpected choice. You may ask yourself, "why two random characters and not someone like Cloud, Sora, Chrono, etc..." Truth is either of these, apart from Black Mage, are the best and most likely choice for a Square Enix character.

I can break down why each character fare's a good chance, and why they'd be best as a team.

Chocobo:

He and Slime share one thing in common, they are both the mascots of their series. Both characters have their own spin-off series and titles. Finally both series are large, iconic RPGs that many fans throughout the world enjoy. Chocobo has had a decent amount of support that stretches back as far as Melee. The reason I point towards Melee as the beginning is the results from the Japanese Melee poll from many years ago showed something peculiar... Under the section of "third party characters" Chocobo received the most amount of votes, ahead of Sonic and Megaman. While the sentence may appear quite drastic it really is benign, obviously it doesn't mean Chocobo is more popular than those characters, but what it does show is or at least was a level of support for him.

Melee poll data:
Non-Nintendo
1. Chocobo (9)
2. Doraemon (7)
3. Bomberman (5)
4. Crash Bandicoot (4)
5. Sonic (3)
6. Megaman (3)

Obviously within the Final Fantasy universe he faces some competition between Black Mage and other protagonists from various titles, notably Cloud. In all truth, and this will disappoint some, we are more likely to receive a mascot (Chocobo, Black Mage, Moogle, etc) than an protagonist (Cloud, Cecil, Onion Knight, etc). If you don't believe me look no further than Mario Sports Mix or Mario Hoops 3-3, the rosters for both game's were obviously Square and Nintendos' decision. So given that precedent and how well they mix with the Mario universe, I feel we are more likely to see a character of that caliber versus "another swordsman".

Some of the astute might already be thinking, "but wait, Chocobo wasn't a playable character in either titles?! Would that not hurt his chances? Is your example even valid?" Yes, he wasn't playable in either titles, which is strange given how high profile of a mascot he is currently. Still, outside of those games he remains a face of Final Fantasy whenever large promotions occur, such as you can see in the very first picture at the very beginning of this thread. Yes, the example still proves what it does. You see, there was another character who WAS playable in Mario Sports Mix...



Slime:

The mascot of the Dragon Quest series. A popular character, so much so that he placed 4th on Famitsu's top 100 characters of all time. Despite not performing as well as big sister Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest is still a huge series, so much so that it's fanbase is almost the entire country of Japan! You may think that is hyperbole, but once you are familiar with how massive this series is in Japan you will understand why it isn't as much of a joke as you think...

The funny thing is, this series stands a better chance of making it's way into Smash than even Final Fantasy! Reason being Nintendo's investment into this one third party series. Back during the development of Dragon Quest IX Satoru Iwata and the president of Square Enix had a meeting where Iwata publicly stated Nintendo's desire to expand this series into the West. An unprecedented move on Nintendo or any other companies account. They have spent their own money localizing, advertising, publishing, and translating the latest Dragon Quest games overseas. Dragon Quest IX: Sentinels of the Starry Sky, Dragon Quest VI: Realms of the Revelation, in the future Dragon Quest X and Rocket Slime 2 (Slime's spin off series), soon Dragon Quest Monsters Joker 2 and Fortune Street. Let me touch on that last game, Fortune Street.

Take a look at these screenshots and tell me what you see?

If you said a Dragon Quest/Mario crossover title you would be correct. The game is essentially Mario Party/Monopoly/Kingdom Hearts Deckboard rolled into one. It is a fun title [so even if you aren't a fan of Dragon Quest I'd recommend the title, if for no other reason as it has WiFi] that will be hitting our shores this Holiday season. But this is actually quite a remarkable thing considering how many series Mario has crossovered with which has only been with very few series (Sonic the Hedgehog and Tetris).

On a minor note Nintendo even developed a Dragon Quest title. Dragon Quest Wars, a DSIware game was developed by Intelligent Systems. The developer behind the Mario RPG series', Fire Emblem and Advance Wars.


After this discussion of relevance and popularity, lets get to the main question. Why a team? Why Super Smash Bros.?

Barbecue while both characters are popular on their own rights many (though incorrect) assume neither one could be a fighter on their own merits. Even though apparently he is able to play 4 different sports and morph his body to kick and slap opponents, Slime's lack of limbs make him ineligible to be a character. Again, even though he can play sports, carry small and large items, cast magic, and morph and twist his body. Chocobo receives the same treatment to a milder extent. So some of us around the net have created this idea of this team, Slime and Chocobo. Kind of a physical avatar for the union between Square and Enix. Two characters, one team. Both bringing something very unique to the Smash Bros universe. How they would function is something I can cover in detail another day, for now I wanted to lay this suggestion before you all.

There is no ignoring inevitable issue, the fact that this characters doesn't exist nor have Slime and Chocobo ever really come together such as in this case. Despite this I still support this character idea and bring it before you all here. When fans come together they can affect many things. There are always one of two options. Sit there and do nothing, or try. Try to push your idea as much as you can, because there is no telling what can happen. So if you enjoy this topic and/or agree with my thoughts, support these characters. They'd be great additions and would bring a whole lot of fun with them.

Also, read this: http://kotaku.com/5584864/if-a-slime-met-a-chocobo

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Stuff

(please note that that's too much to quote)

Okay, as a team, I agree. That could be very interesting. And it's quite possible anyway. Sure, they never met together last I checked, but why not do it?

 

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@Omega

Wow that's the most work I've ever seen you do here.

Anyway you do draw up some good points, and looking at Slime's smiling in those pics, I must say I've changed my attitude a slight bit torwards their inclusion.

But I still think and want for a Capcom Character (MM) to get in before either one of them ever do.

Should I post this for you on Gamefaqs?

 

[OmegaXXII]

@Omega

Wow that's the most work I've ever seen you do here.

Anyway you do draw up some good points, and looking at Slime's smiling in those pics, I must say I've changed my attitude a slight bit torwards their inclusion.

But I still think and want for a Capcom Character (MM) to get in before either one of them ever do.

Should I post this for you on Gamefaqs?

I guess you should although I think Star may have done so.

I agree though, Megaman should come before Slime, but to say he can't and wont be in is absurd, also people are forgetting moveset potential, like I've said in the past, ANY character could be given a moveset regardless of body type, I think Star created a moveset just for Slime without Chocobo, it really isn't complicated like people make it out to be.

 

[---]

I guess you should although I think Star may have done so.

I agree though, Megaman should come before Slime, but to say he can't and wont be in is absurd, also people are forgetting moveset potential, like I've said in the past, ANY character could be given a moveset regardless of body type, I think Star created a moveset just for Slime without Chocobo, it really isn't complicated like people make it out to be.

I may not support either one, but that is very true. The reasons I don't support them mostly come from my disinterest in most anything Square related (there just something that creeps me out about their VG series, the fanboys, and Cloud) and that I don't think they would fit properly into the world of Smash. Again all just my opinion.

As for Gamefaqs, I wouldn't be surprised if he did already, or at least debate all those points. I just brought up the offer since it would be awesome to see the reactions of the posters there.

 

[Opelucid]

what is everyone expecting from Subspace Emissary 2?

Actual levels from the Nintendo Worlds... like running through the Mushroom Kingdom or trying to find your way through Hyrule Temple something like that would be cool.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I may not support either one, but that is very true. The reasons I don't support them mostly come from my disinterest in most anything Square related (there just something that creeps me out about their VG series, the fanboys, and Cloud) and that I don't think they would fit properly into the world of Smash. Again all just my opinion.

As for Gamefaqs, I wouldn't be surprised if he did already, or at least debate all those points. I just brought up the offer since it would be awesome to see the reactions of the posters there.

Well, do it anyway!

But yeah, Square-Enix seems to take a step in being well...."old-fashioned" with their environments and whatnot, Cloud is meh...but I don't dislike him either, Sora is pretty much th only character I truly like from the Enix, although I did enjoy FFX alot, point is while I do support and wouldn't mind a Square rep, I do however want a Capcom rep beforehand, and being that the Blue-Bomber is overdue for an appearance I believe it's safe to say he is universally wanted by almost everyone.

 

[---]

Well, do it anyway!

But yeah, Square-Enix seems to take a step in being well...."old-fashioned" with their environments and whatnot, Cloud is meh...but I don't dislike him either, Sora is pretty much th only character I truly like from the Enix, although I did enjoy FFX alot, point is while I do support and wouldn't mind a Square rep, I do however want a Capcom rep beforehand, and being that the Blue-Bomber is overdue for an appearance I believe it's safe to say he is universally wanted by almost everyone.

Alright I'll have it up in a few minutes.

Square just creeps me out due the the game art they have for their games, this includes DG. Not to mention pretty much how they handle there all their characters: Watch this, it explains everything. (including Tingle and Luigi )

That and I'm not a big RPG fan to begin with.

 

[Starphoenix]

Neither of you have my permission to post my blog entry on Gamefaqs.

It would only make for a larger mess than that site already happens to be. Besides, I recall posting the link in the past.

 

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Neither of you have my permission to post my blog entry on Gamefaqs.

It would only make for a larger mess than that site already happens to be. Besides, I recall posting the link in the past.

I wasn't going to so don't worry. Heck, I didn't even know you had your own blog.

Anyway, that's sort of the point of posting it. But if you don't want it then ask Omega. I haven't started the topic yet, so there's still time.

 

[y.toonlink]

Nice copypasta off Star's blog Omega lol

btw Star, is it cool that I joined that Chocobo&Slime group? Just wanna show my support

Non-generic Kirby-Wannabe enemies in my case. Likewise with stages. Also, no parts of the storyline omitted, and that EVERY character is key to the plot, not just one or two series.(SSB and Kirby)

I think Sonic, Wolf, Toon Link and Jiggs were the only characters to not be part of the plot (Sonic only shows up at the end). I don't remember much about G&W so maybe him too.

Sakurai is the creator of Kirby so that's probably why they seem Kirby-esque but they weren't that generic. Hopefully there's an Adv Mode like Melee along with SSE. SSE wasn't that bad, just too bad it was the most time consuming part of development. Since SORA is gonna be starting off from Brawl I think there may be better things to expect now from the game in general, and that casuals aren't they only ones to be targeted.

 

[---]

Oh, it's already off his blog?

O.K. never mind then.

@Omega: And here I thought you actually did some work for once. I must say I'm disapointed in you. Don't take credit for Star's work.

@Star: Sorry I didn't know it was you who wrote that. Please forgive me if I offended you. And don't worry now won't post that on Gamefaqs.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Gonna go play some Fire Emblem for the rest of the day, it should be solid since I just got Shadow Dragon right now.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I think Sonic, Wolf, Toon Link and Jiggs were the only characters to not be part of the plot (Sonic only shows up at the end). I don't remember much about G&W so maybe him too.

Sakurai is the creator of Kirby so that's probably why they seem Kirby-esque but they weren't that generic. Hopefully there's an Adv Mode like Melee along with SSE. SSE wasn't that bad, just too bad it was the most time consuming part of development. Since SORA is gonna be starting off from Brawl I think there may be better things to expect now from the game in general, and that casuals aren't they only ones to be targeted.

Generic as in they are not enemies from any of the actual series. They could've had Polygons/Wire Frames in place of the Primids. They already existed.

But making a buttload of original enemies when they had tons of choices was pointless. Nobody cares about substitute enemies, because they're not recognizable. That's the main problem I have with it. Hence my use of generic.

And Sonic has a major role in the story: Without him, all the characters would've probably died. Now, I agree in the overall plot, he had little, but saving everyone is a HUGE thing. I consider Mario and Link's roles not nearly as important. As for the Bonus Door characters, I only think Wolf could've been interesting with ease.

 

[SwayneGang]

That's something else worth wondering about. We've had Polygons, Wire Frames, and Alloys. What's next?


@Omega
You've been on here all day?? You must not get headaches very often.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I will definetly give you guys my FE music choices, my own version of carefully selected themes.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Sonic didn't have a real role in the SSE, at least in my eyes. All they did was randomly place him at the end of the story at the right time while belitting the efforts of everyone else in the process. That's only artificially giving him plot purpose.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

what is everyone expecting from Subspace Emissary 2?

For one thing, a different name. And of course, more focus on the franchise characters, instead of making originals.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Sonic didn't have a real role because he was added so late, so was Jiggs which can explain why she isn't on there.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Sonic didn't have a real role because he was added so late, so was Jiggs which can explain why she isn't on there.

And the odd part is that Jigglypuff was the only veteran who had no involvement in the Subspace Emissary's main story.

 

[Starphoenix]

My words were not spoken maliciously. I was simply saying don't post it, as the article will send Gamefaqs into a frenzy. More for your sake's than my own, I do not take flame wars seriously.

 

[OmegaXXII]

And the odd part is that Jigglypuff was the only veteran who had no involvement in the Subspace Emissary's main story.

Exactly, the reason so was because I think Sakurai was either planning on adding Mewtwo (who probably got switched by Sonic) or Mewtwo was intended to replace Jiggs but had a tough decision, of course this is in theory.