New Smash Bros for WiiU

[Shorts]

So was EVERY Pokemon. Victini is basically the same thing as Chansey. Catching one brings good luck in battle. Good luck =/= Come @ me bro

Sush. You haven't given a legitmiate reason why he shouldn't be included. When you find one. come give me a call.

This is what I'm saying, people keep bringing it up, like I said, an endless debate

You shush too. You are talking about it just as much as everyone else. We can change the topic whenever.

 

[Opossum]

I'll just end it with this: Victini IS a possibility, along with Zoroark, Mewtwo, and Lucario.

@ Omega: And yeah, Zoroark and Lucario aren't legends. Just rare.

 

[Arcadenik]

Arcadenik will be happy to hear Meowth got cheers when he popped up on the REEL.

And Starfy does have a pretty good shot, but I'm not that interested in seeing him playable. There's also a rumor that Sakurai just doesn't like him, lol.

Oh! I sure am happy Meowth got a nod as well!

Kirby vs. Starfy would be sweet!

Meh, only Pikachu, Jigglypuff, and Red with Squirtle got any real attention in the segment. Both Mewtwo and Charizard only appeared once or twice.

My only problem with it was that it was only Gen 1, so only few Pokemon were shown. It's makes me mad they that they skipped 4 Generations of games and Spin-Offs and about 13 seasons of the cartoon.

Next to the Smash Pokemon, Team Rocket got some attention in spite of having no playable appearances in Smash... they are just that popular and iconic. Period.

Only 1st gen? Let's see... I spot Whismur, Chikorita, Piplup, Corphish, Mime Jr., Bonsly, and Elekid. The fact you only saw 1st gen Pokemon is because they are the most prominent, the most recognizable, the most iconic... to the point they eclipse the other generations.

The thing is, he isn's Tingle. He doesn't have a "hate" base that's equal/smaller than his fan base. He's DHD... His fanbase barely reaches the thirty mark. It's not that anyone here HATES him, or that hate is ever really a problem, it's that no one wants him.

Barely reaches the thirty mark? 974 fans say otherwise.

 

[Aurane]

So was EVERY Pokemon. Victini is basically the same thing as Chansey. Catching one brings good luck in battle.

Did u play Pokemon B&W by chance? Just wondering. But anyways, no. Chansey is the only Pokemon who holds that title as Good Luck Charm. I guess you also didn't understand what I meant, which is appopriate. What I meant is what I said b4: Victini is the Victory Pokemon who never loses a fight, and passes on this trait to the trainer catching him. Fact.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I can guarantee that Zoroark will be able to be obtained regularly in Gray version.

He will? Was he one of a kind before meaning you could only capture one in the entire game?

 

[OmegaXXII]

This topic just got lame

Unvote

Vote: Pokemon

 

[Katakiri]

Can we stop talking about Pokemon for 5 minutes? Seriously, who really enjoys bickering about them?

I love it.

We should stop bickering about a game that's only as far in development as:

Iwata: Make a new Smash game!
Sakurai: But...I'm working on Kid Icarus....Okay.
Reggie Fils: WE'RE MAKING SMASH BROS!

 

[Shorts]

Barely reaches the thirty mark? 974 fans say otherwise.

The same amount of kids in my county High School!

 

[ComradeCanada]

I mean, Pokemon is pretty much the one franchise we have a large number of characters that aren't in it.

Except Metroid, but Metroid'll likely never get representation because I doubt the Smash devs played it beyond Super.

Also, do you think Hero of the Winds Link will return?

 

[Aurane]

He will? Was he one of a kind before meaning you could only capture one in the entire game?

He can't say that yet, but you can breed Zoroark to make more, like Lucario. The Zoruas can evolve to Zoroark at lvl 30. So in the sense, you can catch one, but get more.

 

[Opossum]

Love the Mafia reference, Omega.

Anyway, basically what asage said.

 

[Aurane]

I personally am getting sick and tired of the Pokemon topics. if you wanna have a ball about Victini, join my facebook page (Cause I need more members ^^). But neways, who here wants PK users gone?

 

[OmegaXXII]

He can't say that yet, but you can breed Zoroark to make more, like Lucario. The Zoruas can evolve to Zoroark at lvl 30. So in the sense, you can catch one, but get more.

Yeah, I figured breeding would be a factor, or better yet, cheat and duplicate them by doing the code like in Gold/Silver.

 

[Opossum]

Asage: Why do you want Ness and Lucas gone? One I can understand, but both?

 

[Deleted member]

I'd like to see Starfy in this game and I also think he has a decent shot of getting in.

As for Pokemon debate, I would still say Victini and Zoroark are very close to each other in likelihood and only time will tell on who gets in. Also, remember that Victini's sprites shows it on th ground whereas other Mew-like characters are levitating.

 

[ComradeCanada]

I personally am getting sick and tired of the Pokemon topics. if you wanna have a ball about Victini, join my facebook page (Cause I need more members ^^). But neways, who here wants PK users gone?

Only people who have never played the Mother series.

I want Clint, dammit.

 

[Johnknight1]

Me too. Krystal 4 Smash.

Give her a personality, make Star Fox worth buying again, and giver her a complex story (hopefully one that makes her an independent woman like Alex in Half-Life or Samus in Metroid) and I'm right on board with ya'. (I think it will probably happen, though)

But until then, NOOO!!!!

Flight based characters in Smash!? UNHEARD OF.

I friggen lawl'd like mad at this.

I meant something like Peach's Daisy costume. It actually LOOKED like Daisy. This is the right step. Blood Falcon is there too.

I actually liked the original characters in Classic. Those were fine. Mind you, if the SSE has no Mario or R.O.B. Enemies, and only original ones, I doubt people would be having a hissy fit as easily. The biggest problem is that only two series got a noticeable list of enemies.

And to be honest, I never saw a problem with Melee's Classic Mode. Long, but evened out with various mini-games and randomness. I just am hoping for a repeat of it, but with more characters, length, and a full list of mini-games. It makes going through it more fun. Also, if it becomes ridiculously long, bump up your Stocks to 10. Also... Bonuses. They need to come back. Not for a Trophy, but just for fun.

I think the SSE was a step in the right direction, it's just the bland part that was the problem. If it had many enemies like Melee's did, it could've been great. Same with courses based upon the various franchises. The storyline was actually fine. Also, another key thing: Every character should be important.... Yoshi, Pit, Toon Link, Wolf, and Jigglypuff had no role in the story at all. Yoshi... was there for the ride. Pit just happened to like watching the matches, so left to check it out. But other than that... and I don't need to explain the other 3. Everybody else has something important to do. Mario and Link fought eachother because of their loved ones thought to be dead. A misunderstanding is SOMETHING.

The Daisy outfit needs to look a lit more like Daisy and we're good.

Also, Mario needs a Waluigi outfit, and Wario needs a Waluigi color of his Wario Ware outfit, and a Waluigi outfit for his classic Wario Land outfit. The artists need to do that just for fun-and because it's a cool color.

I like the familiarity of the enemies from Mario, Zelda, Ice Climbers, and all the various playable character that have been in smash so far. I also like all the Fighting groups. However, the enemies in the SSE felt bland and one dimensions. Rayquaza, Ridley, and Meta Ridley along with the hands and Tabuu were much the best bosses. I don't even remember the other bosses, minus the Mr. Game and Watch thing.

The SSE is a step in the right direction, but actual Nintendo locals is needed. This is suppose to be Nintendo's best clashing in familiar settings. Not Nintendo's best fighting in all kinds of bland beaches, jungles clouds, stadiums, mountains, dungeons, and deserts.

The only parts I remember vividly are the castle (as Marth, which felt like Fire Emblem a bit), the zoo with Lucas and Ness (which is based off the Mother 1 zoo), exploring the Haleberd (which should have had more explorable areas without feeling filler-ish), the temple in the sky, and the one dark area thing that takes up 2/3rd of the story that bores you to death (Re-hashing is lame!).

It doesn't need to be super complex, just give us basic locations! Hyrule Castle, Peach's Castle, DK Isle, A Galactic Federation Fleet, Yoshi Island, Dream Land, Viridian City, The Great Fox, Onett, Mute City, etc. It should be a lot easier than making up things at the very least.

 

[Shorts]

I personally am getting sick and tired of the Pokemon topics. if you wanna have a ball about Victini, join my facebook page (Cause I need more members ^^). But neways, who here wants PK users gone?

BOTH? Why? No one. If anything they want either to keep the two, switch one out for another character, or have three. But not both gone. That's silly.

Give her a personality,

If she has no personality, neither do any of the StarFox characters. You don't like her personality, that's opinion based.

make Star Fox worth buying again,

That is not her job, and the blame for the fall in SF has nothing to do with her. "Haters" just love to pin that one on her.

and giver her a complex story (hopefully one that makes her an independent woman like Alex in Half-Life or Samus in Metroid) and I'm right on board with ya'. (I think it will probably happen, though)

Play Command.

But until then, NOOO!!!!

Looks like a yes to me!

 

[Aurane]

Asage: Why do you want Ness and Lucas gone? One I can understand, but both?

Don't get me wrong, bro. I wanna keep Ness. But who here actually wants both gone? Or as u say, one?

 

[ComradeCanada]

I'd like to see Starfy in this game and I also think he has a decent shot of getting in.

As for Pokemon debate, I would still say Victini and Zoroark are very close to each other in likelihood and only time will tell on who gets in. Also, remember that Victini's sprites shows it on th ground whereas other Mew-like characters are levitating.

I think that it'll be one or the other, with Zoroark having a major advantage, since the "cute" legendaries are generally considered unbrawlable.

 

[OmegaXXII]

I personally am getting sick and tired of the Pokemon topics. if you wanna have a ball about Victini, join my facebook page (Cause I need more members ^^). But neways, who here wants PK users gone?

Well, I don't mind getting rid of Lucas, just buff Ness and give him what Lucas has, if anything, I'd rather see MaskedMan/Claus instead seeing he would play different and is a villain of sorts.

@Opposum: I love Mafia, it's cool.

 

[Opossum]

I'd personally want them both to stay, but one of them to be decloned. In addition, though unlikely, the addition of Masked Man would be great.

 

[Aurane]

I think that it'll be one or the other, with Zoroark having a major advantage, since the "cute" legendaries are generally considered unbrawlable.

And that's what makes the debate stronger? O_o

 

[OmegaXXII]

Don't get me wrong, bro. I wanna keep Ness. But who here actually wants both gone? Or as u say, one?

Like I said I wouldn't mind Lucas gone, if we only got Ness buffed that would be fine, or get Masked Man.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The Daisy outfit needs to look a lit more like Daisy and we're good.

Also, Mario needs a Waluigi outfit, and Wario needs a Waluigi color of his Wario Ware outfit, and a Waluigi outfit for his classic Wario Land outfit. The artists need to do that just for fun-and because it's a cool color.

I like the familiarity of the enemies from Mario, Zelda, Ice Climbers, and all the various playable character that have been in smash so far. I also like all the Fighting groups. However, the enemies in the SSE felt bland and one dimensions. Rayquaza, Ridley, and Meta Ridley along with the hands and Tabuu were much the best bosses. I don't even remember the other bosses, minus the Mr. Game and Watch thing.

The SSE is a step in the right direction, but actual Nintendo locals is needed. This is suppose to be Nintendo's best clashing in familiar settings. Not Nintendo's best fighting in all kinds of bland beaches, jungles clouds, stadiums, mountains, dungeons, and deserts.

The only parts I remember vividly are the castle (as Marth, which felt like Fire Emblem a bit), the zoo with Lucas and Ness (which is based off the Mother 1 zoo), exploring the Haleberd (which should have had more explorable areas without feeling filler-ish), the temple in the sky, and the one dark area thing that takes up 2/3rd of the story that bores you to death (Re-hashing is lame!).

It doesn't need to be super complex, just give us basic locations! Hyrule Castle, Peach's Castle, DK Isle, A Galactic Federation Fleet, Yoshi Island, Dream Land, Viridian City, The Great Fox, Onett, Mute City, etc. It should be a lot easier than making up things at the very least.

I don't mind the Daisy outfit. It's still her colors as is. And I don't think there's any better way to say what you did. Blandness is lame. So much potential wasted on Kirby-style characters. Honestly, it feels like only a few series got any real rep besides SSB in the SSE. Mario, Pokemon, Mother, Metroid, and R.O.B. I think that was it? Also, Master Hand should've been fightable in the Maze, along with Crazy Hand. May I note that Crazy Hand's trophy was under the SSE for NO REASON whatsoever?

 

[Kantrip]

Omega, you should play mafia games with me in DGames

Ness is an O12, no way he's going. I like Lucas, too. The Masked Man is also a really interesting character, but the series isn't popular enough to warrant 3 characters.

 

[Aurane]

Like I said I wouldn't mind Lucas gone, if we only got Ness buffed that would be fine, or get Masked Man.

I nvr played that series, so idk who ur talking about ^^ Masked Man? Meta Knight? IDK

 

[Deleted member]

Nice Mafia reference there Omega. Perhaps someday I'll get back into it.

I think that it'll be one or the other, with Zoroark having a major advantage, since the "cute" legendaries are generally considered unbrawlable.

I'm not sure if I would consider that an advantage for Zoroark. He is obviously fit for fighting, but so are most other Pokemons. Pichu is less fit for fighting than Victini and he got in Melee.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Asage, you definitely aren't alone in thinking that.

I'd cut both Ness and Lucas too if it were up to me.

Too bad it'll never happen...

 

[Aurane]

@SSBF Thank you sir.

@Metal I nvr played the series, but I do like spamming Ness's (A)v Normal to Bowser against a wall ^^

 

[OmegaXXII]

I'd personally want them both to stay, but one of them to be decloned. In addition, though unlikely, the addition of Masked Man would be great.

Exactly, which is the primary reason why I want Lucas gone because he's just a waste of a character slot IMO. Unless he got declined he wouldn't, but yeah, at least Claus would likely be unique, I don't know exactly since Earthbound does seem semi-dead.

 

[Katakiri]

Did u play Pokemon B&W by chance? Just wondering. But anyways, no. Chansey is the only Pokemon who holds that title as Good Luck Charm. I guess you also didn't understand what I meant, which is appopriate. What I meant is what I said b4: Victini is the Victory Pokemon who never loses a fight, and passes on this trait to the trainer catching him. Fact.

I'm playing it right now. I play it for the VGCs.

Victini really doesn't have anything to do with fighting. It really is a good luck charm Pokemon. I don't even know why I'm arguing this. It doesn't really have anything to do with Smash. He's no different than the other base 100 Legendaries. I don't see Sakurai breaking the trend of making them all rare Pokeballs and making the 1st movie Pokemon Pokemon playable.

Jigglypuff needs to go this game. She was almost gone from Brawl as she was the 4th to last character added (Toon Link, Wolf, & Sonic being the last) so she's got a good shot of finally getting the boot.

 

[Johnknight1]

Can we stop talking about Pokemon for 5 minutes? Seriously, who really enjoys bickering about them?

NO! I enjoy trolling these arguments!

Nah really, they are the most complex debate in all of smash. That is, aside from third party characters that aren't Mega Man possibly. These are the types of debates that made me understand Sakurai better in the pre-Brawl times, and help craft intelligent understanding of the character situation.

We got 651 or something like that creatures to choose from, and only 6-10 of them will likely be in the game. There's 120 or so something new ones out recently, and maybe another 100 something by the time this game will come out, bringing our total Pokémon up in the 700s! This is DEBATE at it's finest!

I can guarantee that Zoroark will be able to be obtained regularly in Gray version.

I agree.

Also, Orange and Purple version are gonna be the versions for Generation 6. I CALLED IT HERE FIRST FOLKS!

I don't mind the Daisy outfit. It's still her colors as is. And I don't think there's any better way to say what you did. Blandness is lame. So much potential wasted on Kirby-style characters. Honestly, it feels like only a few series got any real rep besides SSB in the SSE. Mario, Pokemon, Mother, Metroid, and R.O.B. I think that was it? Also, Master Hand should've been fightable in the Maze, along with Crazy Hand. May I note that Crazy Hand's trophy was under the SSE for NO REASON whatsoever?

Yeah Zelda got the "Master Sword" scene, but that was about it.

Donkey Kong got some boring jungle and a boring river.

Star Fox got furries.

Don't get me wrong, bro. I wanna keep Ness. But who here actually wants both gone? Or as u say, one?

They are two of the most unique characters. Honestely on move sets alone I think they are better than 2/3rds the Brawl roster, including the Mario bros.

Lucas is already minimally a clone, and he will become less of one for the next smash bros. game. Lucas in my unhumble opinion is the Luigified clone in the dang series so far.

On top of that, EarthBound and Mother 3 are EPIC!!!! Play those games, and you will love both Ness and Lucas, guaranteed. Their stories are epic, their moves are epic, and their personalities (whilst they don't talk much, if even at all) are epic!

 

[Deleted member]

I personally do not care for Lucas, but I'd prefer both stay just because I dislike cutting. Cutting Ness is a horrible idea, though.

 

[Shorts]

Jigglypuff needs to go this game. She was almost gone from Brawl as she was the 4th to last character added (Toon Link, Wolf, & Sonic being the last) so she's got a good shot of finally getting the boot.

Okay, now I know you're full of it.

 

[Aurane]

I'm playing it right now. I play it for the VGCs.

Victini really doesn't have anything to do with fighting. It really is a good luck charm Pokemon. I don't even know why I'm arguing this. It doesn't really have anything to do with Smash. He's no different than the other base 100 Legendaries. I don't see Sakurai breaking the trend of making them all rare Pokeballs and making the movie 1st Pokemon Pokemon playable.

Jigglypuff needs to go this game. She was almost gone from Brawl as she was the 4th to last character added (Toon Link, Wolf, & Sonic being the last) so she's got a good shot of finally getting the boot.

VGCs, eh? That probably explains the logic, but read this:
http://limelight788.livejournal.com/2838.html
This'll give you most imput on why he should get it. I think this is SSBF's....

 

[Johnknight1]

I personally do not care for Lucas, but I'd prefer both stay just because I dislike cutting. Cutting Ness is a horrible idea, though.

They both use completely different moves in each of their games. I don't even think Lucas learns PK Fire, Flash, or Thunder.

Also, Jiggz ain't leaving. That thing was tenured in smash a long time ago, and is totally original, and really adds something to smash. It's also awesome to play as, and adds depth to the game.

 

[ComradeCanada]

And that's what makes the debate stronger? O_o

It's a history thing, shaymin, mew, celebi, jirachi, etc., I'm not saying that Zoroark SHOULD be in Smash IV (Heaven knows that if I go my choice, I'd add Machamp and Snorlax) but rather that he seems the more likely candidate based on his popularity and not being cute or legendary.

EDIT: Though Pichu was just a cutie, so we'll see I suppose.

I think Lucas would be great if they brought his moveset more in line with Mother 3, and less in line with being Ness with a haircut.

 

[Aurane]

It's a history thing, shaymin, mew, celebi, jirachi, etc., I'm not saying that Zoroark SHOULD be in Smash IV (Heaven knows that if I go my choice, I'd add Machamp and Snorlax) but rather that he seems the more likely candidate based on his popularity and not being cute or legendary.

I think Lucas would be great if they brought his moveset more in line with Mother 3, and less in line with being Ness with a haircut.

History? Shaymin wasn't liked, Mew wasn't a fighter, unless attacked first. Also note what happened on Pokemon XD, Celebi was under control when she attacked another, jirachi fought none at all. manaphy was a baby. Alright, then.

 

[Johnknight1]

It's a history thing, shaymin, mew, celebi, jirachi, etc., I'm not saying that Zoroark SHOULD be in Smash IV (Heaven knows that if I go my choice, I'd add Machamp and Snorlax) but rather that he seems the more likely candidate based on his popularity and not being cute or legendary.

I think Lucas would be great if they brought his moveset more in line with Mother 3, and less in line with being Ness with a haircut.

The Pokémon confusion continues!

Lucas brought out his moves with his standard attacks and PK Freeze. Nearly all of his standards are original (which is something I can't say for Mario), and his style is completely different from Ness.

Honestly, Lucas is the most original clone. But I do agree-more Mother 3 moves need to be implemented. I think his PK Fire should be changed, along with maybe his PK Shield thing to something actually useful outside of doubles.