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[OmegaXXII]

I've always wanted to capture Mew in the original games the legitamate way, since he was a special Pokemon in Smash, wouldn't people want to see Victini grant a winning match if somehow Zoroark or Genesect got over him?

 

[Opossum]

...Just realized today's Starphoenix's 4 year anniversary on here :o

Anyway, the more I think of it, the more I want Victini over Zoroark.

 

[Johnknight1]

...100 people? No wonder most of the content was stuff that didn't add to the gameplay.(too many trophies and stickers) I wish they would've kept the Modes from the Melee style. I thought that was done better myself. A nice drop menu.

Exactly. On top of that they wanted more of a single-player based game (experiment) that failed in several aspects, and probably had to cut a certain forbidden seven (imagine how awesome Dixie would be in Brawl!).

When I was 7 years old, the games had permanent deaths and challenges that make todays games seem like child games

When I was 4 I beat Super Mario World without dying on my third try.

I also beat Super Metroid at the age of 6 about half a dozen times even though it scared the crap out me.

Also, the stamina PT concept needs to die. If they truly "need each other" like Sheik and Zelda in Brawl, then dang it stamina isn't needed (it's just a stupid enforcer.

The "transformation" times with Zelda/Sheik and the PT needs to be one second or less, not over 3 in Brawl (it was about 1.5-2 seconds in Melee), so that way if they really "need each other" you can legitimately switch without being Falcon Punched each time.

Really whoever was in charge of the change time with both characters needs to have their brain checked.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Eusine?

Yup, that him, I loved the fact that he was sort of a rival as well, Crystal (trainer) herself would be nice or May from 3rd gen as well.j

 

[Johnknight1]

I still prefer Zoroark over Victini slightly because I rather like dark types. However, I think Victini stands a slightly better chance.

Also, here's a trophy for this thread for going over 47,000 posts, and reflects how I feel about this thread...

 

[OmegaXXII]

...Just realized today's Starphoenix's 4 year anniversary on here :o

Anyway, the more I think of it, the more I want Victini over Zoroark.

It is? Then I'm glad I pranked him before hand.

But yes, Victini would be a better choice for me as well IMO, even Genesect would be for some reason.

 

[Katakiri]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STIDIIsuVqM&feature=feedu

It happened.

 

[Johnknight1]

Genesect, Zoroark, and Victini would all be good choices IMO.

I would really be okay with any of those three choices (or some other awesome choice, like that electric zebra Pokémon in my party that is totally bad a**).

 

[Opossum]

You mean Zebstrika? He'd make a cool Poke Ball with Wild Charge.

Spoiler

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Exactly. On top of that they wanted more of a single-player based game (experiment) that failed in several aspects, and probably had to cut a certain forbidden seven (imagine how awesome Dixie would be in Brawl!).

I would've taken a Dixie costume with Diddy at this point. Many of them would've been fine as costumes. Making a full character is hard, no question about that. But adding a costume? Not nearly.

I understand them having to cut characters, but adding in a few Shout Outs to them isn't a bad thing, really.

As for Single Player, yeah, I'd say it was a failure. It was exceptionally bland. Even worse than the first game's Single Player Mode. It's true that your opponent's were mostly set in stone, but your partners WEREN'T. That was the fun part.

I also hate that you can fight Giant characters without partners. That's why I thought Melee perfected Classic to a T.(albeit, if you're going to have a super long classic mode, variation in mini-games is ultimately required. Two Target Tests? Honestly? BORING.)

 

[Aurane]

Riolu (Mystery Dungeon Style)

Ok, so this is Mystery Dungeon Style Riolu. Why I chose him? You'll see.

Weightclass: Light, but heavier than Kirby and Jiggs.
Speed: His run is faster than Fox.
Damage Ratio: Riolu is weaker than Lucario, but his fast attacks cover this, plus is faster than Lucario himself.
Damage Danger: As a light Class, Riolu can be broke around 100%.
Jumps: His first jump consists of 1 1/2 character Space, then another. Pretty nice on jumps.

(A) Combo:
He punches, then stab-kicks, then unleashes a Vaccum Wave flurry, reaching 1 character space ahead. Compare to Kirby's (A) Combo.

(A) Normal:
(A)^: He headbutts upwards while jumping a tiny bit.
(A)>: He stab kicks, then spins his leg around his body, back to stance position.
(A)v: He Tail Whips the lower body of the enemy.

(A) Smash:
(A)^: He does a backflip kick, and second-hits the opponent with his tail.
(A)>: He punches straight foward, socking the opponent hard.
(A)v: He kicks eye sight side, than kicks the other side.

(B) Moveset:

(B): Vaccum Wave
He punches foward, unleashing a Vaccum Wave to hit the opponent. The wave goes 3 character spaces ahead, and if then opponent is hit by Riolu's fist as well, they get more knockback.
(B)>: Wide Slash
He slashes foward, going 2 character spaces foward. Exactly like Gannondorf's (B)>, but does electric damage, and has better recovery. In the sky, he goes straight down, like Kirby, and leaves countering stars instead of a vaccum slash, like Kirby.
(B)v: Circle Throw
When attacked, he auto grabs the opponent, then throws them behind him, spinning them like Mario's Grab <. The stronger the move, the more further they're thrown.
(B)^: Iron Tail
He spins straight upwards, like Wario's (B)^, but can go horizontal more if wanted (press and hold the anolog stick into such position). It also goes as high as Lucario's (B)^.

Final Smash: One Hit KO Orb
He brings out an orb, throws it at the opponent, and they die instantly. The item is thrown straight foward of eye sight. If anyone is near the hitted character by 1/2 a character space, they die too.

Taunts:
^: He brings out his badge, wipes it clean, then puts it back.
>: He curls his arms around each other, and then smiles sinisterly.
v: He brings out a tiny apple, and eats it. Kinda like Y.Link, but faster.

Still being worked on, but we really need to think about Pokemon MD. Being able to play as the Pokemon... Come on, now!

 

[OmegaXXII]

Wow, really?

 

[ComradeCanada]

Not as recolors. As new brawlers overall. Not that any of them will get in. Except maybe Red or Ethan (Oh god, please, let Ethan get a chance! He had his own story for an anime with Raikou!!)

Smash seems to have a very firm "first and last" policy (excepting Mewtwo, for some reason,) which is why we got Pichu in Melee and Luke in Brawl. So I think we'll see Pika and Jiggs return, probably with PT, and then we'll get a popular 5th gen pokemon. While personally, I hope for Golurk, Excadrill or Conkledur from a movest point of view, I think Zorark is the most likely at this point in time.

Luke will likely not return unless they alter this pattern, and I don't think Mewtwo has the best shot either.

 

[Aurane]

Wow, really?

What? Does it suck?

 

[OmegaXXII]

Chibi Lucario???

 

[Aurane]

Chibi Lucario???

That's Riolu, bro LOL

 

[OmegaXXII]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STIDIIsuVqM&feature=feedu

It happened.

Whoa whoa whoa whoa?!

Hold up, is this......

 

[Johnknight1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STIDIIsuVqM&feature=feedu

It happened.

o.O.ooOoOOO <<< MUTANT!!!!

But really, that was hilarious. Made me chuckle.

Spoiler

Iron Man for Smash just for that.

Also, did you guys hear that Meta Knight is now banned from Smash 64 tournaments=???

But yeah, Zebrstrika was it's name! That's such an awesome name!

I would've taken a Dixie costume with Diddy at this point. Many of them would've been fine as costumes. Making a full character is hard, no question about that. But adding a costume? Not nearly.

I understand them having to cut characters, but adding in a few Shout Outs to them isn't a bad thing, really.

As for Single Player, yeah, I'd say it was a failure. It was exceptionally bland. Even worse than the first game's Single Player Mode. It's true that your opponent's were mostly set in stone, but your partners WEREN'T. That was the fun part.

I also hate that you can fight Giant characters without partners. That's why I thought Melee perfected Classic to a T.(albeit, if you're going to have a super long classic mode, variation in mini-games is ultimately required. Two Target Tests? Honestly? BORING.)

There is a Dixie costume of Diddy in Brawl... well Dixie colors. I think her 90's hat would be awesome. I also think some old school Diddy Kong hats would be awesome...

They had really no shoutouts to any cut characters that weren't Pichu or Mewtwo (who were both trophies).

Yeah the bland "new characters" need to be replaced by classic Nintendo icons, plus maybe some sort of "Smash World" super characters like Tabbu, the Hands, Giga Bowser, and perhaps the Fight Polygons/Wire Frames/Alloy Team (I would prefer all of them).

As for the classic mode (and a Melee-like adventure mode), make one with just starter characters, stages, and items, and, one with just unlockable characters, stages, items, and whatnot. That would keep stuff fresh.

 

[Aurane]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STIDIIsuVqM&feature=feedu

It happened.

O_O Oh yes....

 

[Katakiri]

I'd love Victini or Zoroark. But if you remember from past Smash Games; Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, & Manaphy have all been Pokeball Pokemon. Victini's really no different than any of them. They all had movies, in fact Celebi & Mew had two of them.

So smart logic says Lucario's getting replaced with Zoroark or Emolga. Zoroark's more likely though

What I'm hoping for is a 5th Gen Pokemon Trainer replacing Red. Oshawott, Servine, & Emboar would be pretty fun. (Even though Dewott & Snivy are way better...damn Sakurai favoring the anime. >>)

 

[OmegaXXII]

@asage: looks alot like Lucario lol...

 

[Shorts]

I'd love Victini or Zoroark. But if you remember from past Smash Games; Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, & Manaphy have all been Pokeball Pokemon. Victini's really no different than any of them. They all had movies, in fact Celebi & Mew had two of them.

Victini is very much different from those fetus Pokemon. It actually has the ability to walk, and use it's limbs properly. IF anything, it's more similar to how Pichu would play. (Very stretchy)

 

[Opossum]

@Omega: That's because it's his preevolution. Basically, Pichu is to Pikachu as Riolu is to Lucario.

 

[Johnknight1]

The current Pokémon Trainer ain't going nowhere (Red/Ash is an icon, and everyone knows what a Squirtle and Charizard are!), and most likely the same goes with Lucario. Mewtwo will probably come back as well. I would honestly rather have Mewtwo than any character from the Star Fox series actually, because unlike them he actually has a distinct and iconic personality.

Plus I hate furries.

 

[Aurane]

I'd love Victini or Zoroark. But if you remember from past Smash Games; Mew, Celebi, Jirachi, & Manaphy have all been Pokeball Pokemon. Victini's really no different than any of them. They all had movies, in fact Celebi & Mew had two of them.

You'd be wrong. Celebii was actually Zoroark's movie. Mew was actually Lucario's Movie. They also are too peaceful. Victini is the Victory Pokemon, and fights all the time.

 

[Shorts]

Plus I hate furries.

Me too. Krystal 4 Smash.

 

[OmegaXXII]

@Omega: That's because it's his preevolution. Basically, Pichu is to Pikachu as Riolu is to Lucario.

Wow, this whole time I thought Lucario was like Mewtwo, y'know, no pre-evolutions.

Lol, John hates Krystal and sakurai's love for cats!!!

 

[Aurane]

@asage: looks alot like Lucario lol...

 

[OmegaXXII]

I can't to see who the new rep will be, I might hold a vote over this in the broom later this year.

 

[Katakiri]

Victini is very much different from those fetus Pokemon. It actually has the ability to walk, and use it's limbs properly. IF anything, it's more similar to how Pichu would play. (Very stretchy)

He waddles. In fact for 90% of his movie he travels by flying. He's really no different than Mew or Celebi. He's gonna be a Pokeball.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

There is a Dixie costume of Diddy in Brawl... well Dixie colors. I think her 90's hat would be awesome. I also think some old school Diddy Kong hats would be awesome...

They had really no shoutouts to any cut characters that weren't Pichu or Mewtwo (who were both trophies).

Yeah the bland "new characters" need to be replaced by classic Nintendo icons, plus maybe some sort of "Smash World" super characters like Tabbu, the Hands, Giga Bowser, and perhaps the Fight Polygons/Wire Frames/Alloy Team (I would prefer all of them).

As for the classic mode (and a Melee-like adventure mode), make one with just starter characters, stages, and items, and, one with just unlockable characters, stages, items, and whatnot. That would keep stuff fresh.

I meant something like Peach's Daisy costume. It actually LOOKED like Daisy. This is the right step. Blood Falcon is there too.

I actually liked the original characters in Classic. Those were fine. Mind you, if the SSE has no Mario or R.O.B. Enemies, and only original ones, I doubt people would be having a hissy fit as easily. The biggest problem is that only two series got a noticeable list of enemies.

And to be honest, I never saw a problem with Melee's Classic Mode. Long, but evened out with various mini-games and randomness. I just am hoping for a repeat of it, but with more characters, length, and a full list of mini-games. It makes going through it more fun. Also, if it becomes ridiculously long, bump up your Stocks to 10. Also... Bonuses. They need to come back. Not for a Trophy, but just for fun.

I think the SSE was a step in the right direction, it's just the bland part that was the problem. If it had many enemies like Melee's did, it could've been great. Same with courses based upon the various franchises. The storyline was actually fine. Also, another key thing: Every character should be important.... Yoshi, Pit, Toon Link, Wolf, and Jigglypuff had no role in the story at all. Yoshi... was there for the ride. Pit just happened to like watching the matches, so left to check it out. But other than that... and I don't need to explain the other 3. Everybody else has something important to do. Mario and Link fought eachother because of their loved ones thought to be dead. A misunderstanding is SOMETHING.

 

[Shorts]

I can't to see who the new rep will be, I might hold a vote over this in the broom later this year.

I'm about eight months ahead of ya. Zoroark is winning.

He waddles. In fact for 90% of his movie he travels by flying. He's really no different than Mew or Celebi. He's gonna be a Pokeball

Flight based characters in Smash!? UNHEARD OF.

 

[Aurane]

He waddles. In fact for 90% of his movie he travels by flying. He's really no different than Mew or Celebi.

Except the fact he was born to fight, yeah...

 

[OmegaXXII]

Well...I don't mean to be a hassle but...is Zoroark the same way? Is he even legendary like Mewtwo? Just curious.

 

[Aurane]

Well...I don't mean to be a hassle but...is Zoroark the same way? Is he even legendary like Mewtwo? Just curious.

Zoroark is only an event Pokemon (IDK why), but he's not a legendary.

As for Victini, if flying is bad, then why are u supporting Mewtwo? He doesn't walk.

 

[OmegaXXII]

OMFG!! Are you joking?

Now I really want Victini and Mewtwo instead, yup!!

 

[Kantrip]

Can we stop talking about Pokemon for 5 minutes? Seriously, who really enjoys bickering about them?

 

[Katakiri]

Except the fact he was born to fight, yeah...

So was EVERY Pokemon. Victini is basically the same thing as Chansey. Catching one brings good luck in battle. Good luck =/= Come @ me bro

 

[Opelucid]

I can guarantee that Zoroark will be able to be obtained regularly in Gray version.

 

[OmegaXXII]

Can we stop talking about Pokemon for 5 minutes? Seriously, who really enjoys bickering about them?

This is what I'm saying, people keep bringing it up, like I said, an endless debate.