New Smash Bros for WiiU

[SwayneGang]

Will do, speaking of which......

Uh-oh! I'm in trouble!!

 

[---]

Well we do need a few people to check back here every once in a while to try and find possible new members.

Also it's nice to see the backroom pick up a bit more during the past few days.

 

[Opossum]

Guarantee half of them will think Ridley is too big, all Little Mac does is punch so he can't be in, ROB/Olimar/Mr. Game and Watch/Ice Climbers/Toon Link will be removed because they "suck", Meta Knight will be taken out due to the banning, want anime/manga/tv characters, claim that Waluigi is the BEST Wario choice, claim that Sonic needs about eight more characters that include Big the Cat and Silver, and that it will have over 100 characters.

For that sole reason, the backroom will be the place to be post trailer reveal.

 

[JavaCroc]

JavaCroc, how would I download it?

Um, I guess you just right-click the link, and it should show an option to "save link as..." or something along those lines. It should then let you choose where to download the MP3 on your computer. Find whatever folder you want it in, save it, and then you make a Youtube video out of it.

I have no experience making a Youtube video, so I can't help you from that point on.

Thanks for doing this, though.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Opossum, you forgot "Mewtwo can't come back because he got replaced by Lucario", "Toad can't get in because he's already Peach's B Special" and "Snake got in, so Master Chief can get in, too".

 

[SwayneGang]

Guarantee half of them will think Ridley is too big, all Little Mac does is punch so he can't be in, ROB/Olimar/Mr. Game and Watch/Ice Climbers/Toon Link will be removed because they "suck", Meta Knight will be taken out due to the banning, want anime/manga/tv characters, claim that Waluigi is the BEST Wario choice, claim that Sonic needs about eight more characters that include Big the Cat and Silver, and that it will have over 100 characters.

For that sole reason, the backroom will be the place to be post trailer reveal.

1) I admit Ridley's still a worry for me, but I know something will work.
2) The characters that "suck" actually don't. Why else was Mr. Game & Watch and the Ice Climbers brought back?
3) Meta Knight WON'T be cut; Sakurai would never allow it.
4) One rule is absolute: no anime, manga, or TV stars
5) In terms of playability, just Sonic is enough.

That's just my 2 cents on those.

 

[Opossum]

I know, those were just common examples of SSB4 troll "arguments." I don't believe those AT ALL!xD

 

[army man]

I know, those were just common examples of SSB4 troll "arguments." I don't believe those AT ALL!xD

trolling is the basis of fanboyism lolz

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@King: If you want to see my Brian moveset, it's in my signature. I apologize for it being a bit hard to read, but I don't concentrate on colors and stuff. It's the data that's important to me.

...If the damn thing would show up.

 

[Deleted member]

Don't forget another dumb argument that will be made.

"Zoroark is Lucario's replacement and will 100% happen", even thought there is no guarantee that Zoroark will get in and Lucario getting the axe is not a guarantee.

 

[Opelucid]

I'll probably head over to the Backroom come E3 2012... just to avoid all of the noobs

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Don't forget another dumb argument that will be made.

"Zoroark is Lucario's replacement", even thought there is no guarantee that Zoroark will get in and Lucario getting the axe is not a guarantee.

Lucario might still get the Axe for the new guy regardless. Also, it's not beyond unusual to consider Lucario as Mewtwo's full replacement. Just like Ike is pretty much Roy's replacement. Or Wario is Dr. Mario's replacement. Or Toon Link for Young Link.

Similar body designs much? Albeit, it really only applies for Toon Link indefinitely. The rest are questionable.

 

[Deleted member]

Lucario might still get the Axe for the new guy regardless. Also, it's not beyond unusual to consider Lucario as Mewtwo's full replacement. Just like Ike is pretty much Roy's replacement. Or Wario is Dr. Mario's replacement. Or Toon Link for Young Link.

Similar body designs much? Albeit, it really only applies for Toon Link indefinitely. The rest are questionable.

I believe Roy and Mewtwo were planned for Brawl, but were dropped due to time constraints (along with Dr. Mario). I don't think Lucario, Ike, or Wario are replacements. The only one that we can safely say has been replaced is Young Link.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I believe Roy and Mewtwo were planned for Brawl, but were dropped due to time constraints (along with Dr. Mario). I don't think Lucario, Ike, or Wario are replacements. The only one that we can safely say has been replaced is Young Link.

Lucario has pretty much the same body shape, the same projectile. It's rather obvious he replaced him. Ike is pretty much just a Luigified Roy. Wario is another heavyweight plumber wanna-be. Saying they didn't replace them is silly. And I don't believe "time constraints" works. They already delayed it twice. If that was a problem, they wouldn't have delayed it at all. Mewtwo was honestly the only one that would've felt different. The rest? Not really.

Dr. Mario would've still been like Mario. Young Link would've been like Toon Link. Roy would've been like Marth. They could've done it without much changing their movesets at all. Mewtwo would've been Mewtwo. Tetra/Toon Sheik(well, the Tetra part) and Plusle/Minun would be the only ones that might've been different.

 

[SwayneGang]

Lucario has pretty much the same body shape, the same projectile. It's rather obvious he replaced him. Ike is pretty much just a Luigified Roy. Wario is another heavyweight plumber wanna-be. Saying they didn't replace them is silly. And I don't believe "time constraints" works. They already delayed it twice. If that was a problem, they wouldn't have delayed it at all. Mewtwo was honestly the only one that would've felt different. The rest? Not really.

Dr. Mario would've still been like Mario. Young Link would've been like Toon Link. Roy would've been like Marth. They could've done it without much changing their movesets at all. Mewtwo would've been Mewtwo. Tetra/Toon Sheik(well, the Tetra part) and Plusle/Minun would be the only ones that might've been different.

Still, the fact that they were originally planned to appear must've meant something.

 

[Metal Overlord]

Mewtwo wasn't replaced by Lucario. Period.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Still, the fact that they were originally planned to appear must've meant something.

Which would be exactly as they are, with a new Final Smash. Honestly, how many characters were actually remade? Luigi's the same, so is Falcon. At most, hitboxes and power were changed around. But the actual movesets weren't made different for everyone.

Sakurai talked about remaking them from the Ground Up. Yeah... didn't happen for everyone. Donkey Kong was pretty much the same.

I don't count new moves in this case. As in, Final Smashes and Taunts.

Moving on, though.

 

[Shorts]

I alreddy said Pika,Jiggs and Mewtwo were popular before the anime. Please read.

Darkrai doesn't have a body for a fighting game like Victini does.

Please read? You get that they weren't nearly as popular as they are now UNTIL the anime? Pleas read. psh. Please listen.

oh nice. pokemon discussion.

mmhmmmmm

Comments like these, ones that don't say anything, bother me. For future reference. Everyone taking notes, add that to your list.

Which is why Pichu, in my book, deserves another chance at playability. What Sakurai did to him was disrespectful.

I don't see how tht's disrespectful? Not as cool, yes. Definitely. If anything Pichu is gaining respect by being in the game. It's the people who talk **** about him that are being disrespectful, don't get it twisted and think Sakurai is the one at fault.

As for the slot count. Mid forties to low fifties. No DLC characters. That's what I'm going to guess.

When it's all said and done Gen 5 and 6 with both sell about 40 million units of games apiece. That's more than the entire Donkey Kong franchise if you take away the units given away with purchases of a Super Nintendo.

Pokemon time:
Pokemon Red and Blue: 26.3 Million
Pokemon Yellow: 8.8 Million
Pokemon Gold and Silver 23 Million
Pokemon Ruby and Sapphire: 13 Million
Pokemon Fire Red: 11 Million
Pokemon Mystery Dungeon 2.2 Million
Pokemon Diamond and Pearl: 17 Million
Pokemon Black and White: 11 Million
Pokemon Heart Gold Soul Silver: 10.8 Million

Yeah, Pokemon rakes in the dough....but not like you said it does.

Pokemon roster I would like to see would contain SIX Pokemon, not trainer. Also sorry for bringing this up I just had to respond to the discussion I may have started.

 

[Deleted member]

Lucario has pretty much the same body shape, the same projectile. It's rather obvious he replaced him. Ike is pretty much just a Luigified Roy. Wario is another heavyweight plumber wanna-be. Saying they didn't replace them is silly. And I don't believe "time constraints" works. They already delayed it twice. If that was a problem, they wouldn't have delayed it at all. Mewtwo was honestly the only one that would've felt different. The rest? Not really.

Dr. Mario would've still been like Mario. Young Link would've been like Toon Link. Roy would've been like Marth. They could've done it without much changing their movesets at all. Mewtwo would've been Mewtwo. Tetra/Toon Sheik(well, the Tetra part) and Plusle/Minun would be the only ones that might've been different.

But Sakurai said in an interview after Brawl that there were a few characters that he wanted to put in but didn't have the time to do. Had the game been delayed enough, the Forbidden Seven would have been in Brawl in playable form (maybe Dr. Mario would have been downgraded to an alt.) and chances are he was talking about them. Sakurai had intentions of bringing them back, he just did not have time to put them in.

Ike is not a lugified Roy and he plays completely different from him. Roy would have likely received some modifications had he returned. Dr. Mario is a Mario in an doctor outfit and plays completely different from Wario. Lucario and Mewtwo (as you said) would have played different had they returned) and the latter would have received some major buffs.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

But Sakurai said in an interview after Brawl that there were a few characters that he wanted to put in but didn't have the time to do. Had the game been delayed enough, the Forbidden Seven would have been in Brawl in playable form (maybe Dr. Mario would have been downgraded to an alt.) and chances are he was talking about them. Sakurai had intentions of bringing them back, he just did not have time to put them in.

Ike is not a lugified Roy and he plays completely different from him. Roy would have likely received some modifications had he returned. Dr. Mario is a Mario in an doctor outfit and plays completely different from Wario. Lucario and Mewtwo (as you said) would have played different had they returned) and the latter would have received some major buffs.

I doubt Mewtwo would've been buffed, to be honest. May I note how bad the balance in Brawl is? That'd apply just as well.

And fair enough. And let's note that Ike takes more than one page from Roy. A pretty much identical B and Down B. For that matter, it felt like they just gave Roy a better moveset and slapped a new name on front of it. They're both similar in their default state: Heavyweight Fire-Sword Fighters.

It's the same thing with Dr. Mario and Wario. I already explained before that their body structure is fairly similar, and they still have the Weight in common. Of course they play differently.

Either way, I question why they didn't make a Dr. Mario costume for Mario. Or a Young Link costume for Toon Link. I can't see any other excuse besides laziness here. They had enough time to make Stickers with specific effects. They had enough time for Wario to have two sets of costumes. They had enough time to make Trophies that seemed pointless.(and many series barely got any)

But as I said, moving on.

 

[Shorts]

Either way, I question why they didn't make a Dr. Mario costume for Mario. Or a Young Link costume for Toon Link. I can't see any other excuse besides laziness here. They had enough time to make Stickers with specific effects. They had enough time for Wario to have two sets of costumes. They had enough time to make Trophies that seemed pointless.(and many series barely got any)

Laziness? No. Poor time managament? Yes.

A LOT LOT LOT of time went into SSE, TOO MUCH. This is IMO why Brawl's gameplay turned out the way it did. Poor time managment. Not laziness.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Laziness? No. Poor time managament? Yes.

A LOT LOT LOT of time went into SSE, TOO MUCH. This is IMO why Brawl's gameplay turned out the way it did. Poor time managment. Not laziness.

I don't believe that. Honestly, it didn't take anyone very long to make the hacks for the costumes. The same could be said here.

And saying they weren't lazy is silly. It's a few costumes. Changing the colors isn't beyond tough.

It's true that the Single Player Mode had way too much concentration on. Despite the fact that the reason the game went anywhere was because of the MULTIPLAYER. That's pretty much common knowledge.

The thing about a big story mode? Save it for the games that they matter. RPG's. Fighters are about the fighting. It's in their name, after all.

 

[Ussi]

Ike is not a luigified Marth, if he is, then I might as well say DDD is a luigified Kirby.

One player mode killed brawl i agree

Honestly, one player mode could have had success if it was a 4 player platformer tbh, like new super mario bros. Just instead of generic enemies shoulda stuck with the concept of adventure mode in melee and use in game enemies as people would have enjoyed intragame experiences.

 

[Shorts]

I don't believe that. Honestly, it didn't take anyone very long to make the hacks for the costumes. The same could be said here.

And saying they weren't lazy is silly. It's a few costumes. Changing the colors isn't beyond tough.

Call me silly, because I doubt they were standing around while Sakurai asked Nintendo to expand on the release date YET AGAIN. Poor time managment. Not laziness. LAziness would have been something like releasing it on the original date, and not fixing all of the assumed major errors. That would have been laziness. Sakurai is a proud man, and I doubt he would sit around and let one of the biggest franchises of all time succumb to laziness. He just focused too much on the wrong things. THANK GOD for the 3DS SSB4. We can only hope that it's getting the SSE, and SSBWii U is sticking to it's Melee roots, or at least taking a different approach.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Call me silly, because I doubt they were standing around while Sakurai asked Nintendo to expand on the release date YET AGAIN. Poor time managment. Not laziness. LAziness would have been something like releasing it on the original date, and not fixing all of the assumed major errors. That would have been laziness. Sakurai is a proud man, and I doubt he would sit around and let one of the biggest franchises of all time succumb to laziness. He just focused too much on the wrong things. THANK GOD for the 3DS SSB4. We can only hope that it's getting the SSE, and SSBWii U is sticking to it's Melee roots, or at least taking a different approach.

I'm talking about the lack of costumes. They don't take a giant amount of time to make. Not referring to new modes whatsoever. Even Sonic's costumes sucked.

 

[Steam]

so much fallacy

Mewtwo probably wouldn't be buffed if he was in brawl. game is balanced for casual play. tier list means nothing

and mewtwo and lucario play... completely differently.

 

[Oasis_S]

I'm not sure how one could say Ike and Lucario didn't REPLACE Roy and Mewtwo without it being an argument on semantics.

Am I the only one that hates when the Forbidden Seven are brought up? :I
It's all just a lot of assumptions.

@Tryphen: Brawl was is amazing.

 

[---]

Agreed. We're making way too many assumptions.

Also I am I the only one who actually liked Brawl for what it was?

 

[Steam]

I like brawl. I still play it competitively.

 

[---]

Well it's nice to see that I'm not the only one.

I'm just sick of all the bashing it was gets for it's development (except for tripping).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Well it's nice to see that I'm not the only one.

I'm just sick of all the bashing it was gets for it's development (except for tripping).

It's not exactly unwarranted though. Five Target Tests, anyone? I mean, Tripping was the least of my worries. Other than being annoying in Tourney Play, it wasn't that bad.(although how the hell can you trip in the air?!)

Much of it really didn't make sense. Too much was put into the SSE, and then both the Classic and All-Star Modes were too scripted. What fun is that? I mean, it worked for the original SSB, but what made Melee nice was the variety. The randomness wasn't a bad thing at all.

I mean, who misses fighting Metal Mario and Giant Donkey Kong? I sure do.

 

[Steam]

you can't trip in the air in brawl.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

you can't trip in the air in brawl.

I've had it happen before, actually. I think it was Captain Falcon. Odd, but true.

 

[Steam]

I've had it happen before, actually. I think it was Captain Falcon. Odd, but true.

no, total bull****.

 

[---]

Meh, I was fine with SSE. I find Brawl has the best single player out of any fighting game.

Yes, there are improvements to be made, but I think we're getting a little carried away.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

no, total bull****.

Why the hell would I lie? I've had it happen before.

And think about it: Characters with wings can easily have it happen too. Their wings bend for a moment, losing them air, so they drop to the ground. Of course, programming it to only make it so wing users would take a bit of work. So just make it apply to everyone.

@---: I'll take Melee over it anyday. Too scripted for my tastes. I like the randomness.

 

[Steam]

because it simply just cannot happen in the air. only when you initiate a dash or change direction while dashing.

 

[---]

@HyperFalcon: O.K. thats fine I do respect your opinion. Although I do wish you didn't bring Melee up. As it might turn this into an unneeded off topic debate.

I myself liked both Melee and Brawl and would like to see a mix of their gameplay styles in SSB4. I also do hope to yet again see more improvements torwards both Multiplayer and Single Player modes.

And as another thought, Target Test was that way for a reason as it would be rather hard to have co-op if each character had there own Target stage But I will admit, I don't think many people used co-op on it at all so I still agree that they should change it back to how 64 and Melee had it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

@HyperFalcon: O.K. thats fine I do respect your opinion. Although I do wish you didn't bring Melee up. As it might turn this into an unneeded off topic debate.

I myself liked both Melee and Brawl and would like to see a mix of their gameplay styles in SSB4. I also do hope to yet again see more improvements torwards both Multiplayer and Single Player modes.

And as another thought, Target Test was that way for a reason as it would be rather hard to have co-op if each character had there own Target stage But I will admit, I don't think many people used co-op on it at all so I still agree that they should change it back to how 64 and Melee had it.

Wouldn't be hard to Co-Op. 1st Player(or whoever's the lowest) would have main pick. I'm just saying I prefer the variety and randomness, not that Melee's was directly better. Or the first game's. Also, it's the lack of overall variety in single player that bothers me. It's too similar.

@steam: Then it was a glitch. I had it happen. Not sure how it did, but it did.

 

[Steam]

you probably just got footstooled.