*New* Official Rob Stage Discussion (Phase 4: Lylat Cruise)

[Deadweight]

Look at DDD, only 1 Dash>Shield>Ftilt OoS he can punish ROB's epecial attacks ending lag. Characters with reflector, too(Fox, Pit, ...). There isn't enough time for a Ftilt, Utilt or Uair, if the opponent thinks quickly.

You would ban this vs DDD in the first place so thats not a problem. And I am 999999999% positive that a fox couldnt shine a laser/gyro from across that first transformation and make it over to you before you could throw out a ftilt/utilt. If they are close enough to ftilt you shouldn't be lasering =/

plank =/= Camp IMO

http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Camp

 

[TheMike]

You would ban this vs DDD in the first place so thats not a problem. And I am 999999999% positive that a fox couldnt shine a laser/gyro from across that first transformation and make it over to you before you could throw out a ftilt/utilt. If they are close enough to ftilt you shouldn't be lasering =/

Fox... what about the others?

http://super-smash-bros.wikia.com/wiki/Camp

Ok, but i still don't agree that Camping's definition put Planking in it, i just don't want to continue this discussion at the wrong place.

 

[Darth Waffles]

I like the avatar Mike.

Anyway, I always feel kind of awkward on the third and sometimes on the second transformations. The last one is too... not-quite-FD-ish and people tend to just avoid or powershield my projectiles on the second part so they don't take damage while not approaching the walk-off edges

 

[SnackAttack]

Please forgive me if I post something either non-helpful, or redundant.

Advantages:This is an overall good stage for us, we can get some good gimps on the good gimps on the first and third transformations and get some easy WOPs on second stage.

First transformation: Bad edges. platforms, nice wide-open airspace on the sides, we got gimps here, and some easy kills with Fsmash,Bair,Usmash(If below platform) .



Second transformation: WOPs,Bthrow Platforms, Lazer goes through statues.

Third transformation: Same as first, except we would be looking for more Fsmash/Bair kills, and I guess we can do cool Gyro stuff.


Disadvantages: I honestly can't think of any, except for our lack of camping here.







Counterpick:I agree with TheMike here.

- Bowser
- Falcon
- Falco
- Ganondorf
- Ike
- Link
- Lucas
- Luigi
- Mario
- Ness
- Olimar
- Ivy
- Wolf
- ZSS



Ban:
DeDeDe



Any other special details that are stage specific:
D:

 

[Deadweight]

Fox... what about the others?

Ok I shall restate it
I am 999999999% positive that any charachter with a reflector couldnt shine a laser/gyro from across that first transformation and make it over to you before you could throw out a ftilt/utilt.

 

[TheMike]

Ok I shall restate it
I am 999999999% positive that any charachter with a reflector couldnt shine a laser/gyro from across that first transformation and make it over to you before you could throw out a ftilt/utilt.

And i think that this 111111111% is called Falco as his Shine is too long. However, even if ROB could camp(or can camp), gimps are the best option at this transformation for sure.

Getting kills > Rack up damage

 

[Deadweight]

While I agree that gimps is what you are wanting to achieve. You need to force them to approach and you do so by Camping. And Falcos reflector lasting as long as it does is a good thing as he has a harder time punishing the lag from out projectiles.

 

[TheMike]

While I agree that gimps is what you are wanting to achieve. You need to force them to approach and you do so by Camping.

I would prefer playing aggressively, trying to take the opponent off-stage so as to perform the gimp. In other words, i prefer approaching to force the opponent to do so.

We're concentrating too much at only one transformation. Let's discuss a little more about the others. Actually, i would prefer to discuss the "stage" that appears when the transformations are changing.

 

[Sudai]

Being defensive with ROB is FAR superior to being aggressive. You can still get people off stage while playing defensively. So yeah, camping is still the better way to go about getting gimps.

 

[Deadweight]

I would prefer playing aggressively, trying to take the opponent off-stage so as to perform the gimp. In other words, i prefer approaching to force the opponent to do so.

We're concentrating too much at only one transformation. Let's discuss a little more about the others. Actually, i would prefer to discuss the "stage" that appears when the transformations are changing.

Discussion is discussion, and discussion is good. if we aren't finished talking about the first part then why switch it up,

Being defensive with ROB is FAR superior to being aggressive. You can still get people off stage while playing defensively. So yeah, camping is still the better way to go about getting gimps.

This^^^^^
1000000 this
I see myself playing aggressively at times and just eat damage for it But when you play defensively, its like playing rock paper scissors, and your opponent throws out his choice first.
And this stage reinforces that notion of not approaching with its awkward angles and platforms.

 

[6Mizu]

Um u can make ur gyro bounce on the energy tanks and in the lava.
and is better for rob when the stage is apart?

 

[Deadweight]

Um u can make ur gyro bounce on the energy tanks and in the lava.
and isnt better for rob when the stage is apart?

Yes you can do both of those things but losing your gyro in the lava for upwards 20 seconds is never good and yes the stage is better for rob when the stage is apart(all of this have allready been discussed)

 

[Deadweight]

Ill be updating the OP tomorrow with Castle Siege stuffs :0
Last chance to comment on it :0

 

[Sudai]

Don't say last chance. Going to WHOBO this weekend and I plan to test Siege against Sethlon. I'm sure I'll come back with some good tidbits. :]

 

[TheMike]

Well, i don't have anything else to post besides what i've posted at my first post of this discussion.

 

[Deadweight]

Don't say last chance. Going to WHOBO this weekend and I plan to test Siege against Sethlon. I'm sure I'll come back with some good tidbits. :]

Well i meant that Last chance before we move onto the next stage. You can allways drop by and say w/e u want about past stages, but the main focus of discussion will be on a specific stage..

 

[Sudai]

I know that I could drop comments on old stages, but still, shouldn't say last chance because technically, it isn't. ;]

I'm just being an *** though, really. XD

 

[Deadweight]

Since Sudai Hasnt posted on here Ima go ahead and move along.
Next Up
Delphino PLAZA!!!

 

[TheMike]

Advantages for ROB:

ROB can shark at the "regular" stage, which gives him more options to get back to the stage. At this part, we can also gimp easier characters with tether recovery(my advice here is going off-stage). The other transformations are also good for ROB, at someones, the walk-off part helps us to get earlier kills with Bthrow and, at others, we can camp a little bit safer. Besides, we can perform some Dtilt locks at some walls.

We don't need to worry too much about being edge guarded because there are only 2 or 3 transformations that there's an off-stage part. The others have or walk-off, or water(just try to avoid it). And i think we can have some nice Dairs when the opponent is trying to get off the water as it isn't fast and there's enough time for the Dair to come out.


Earlier kills at this stage is just too good <3


Disadvantages for ROB:

While we can get earlier kills with the walk-off parts, we can also be killed earlier there. While we can get som extra % when the opponent is on the water, we can be edge guarded like hell there if we don't avoid it.


Counter Picks:

It's a nice stage to pick agaist Zamus as we can avoid her's Armor Pieces sharking and sometimes we can get earlier kills with Bthow, Fsmash, Bair, Nair or even gimp her at the parts with an off-stage part because the edges can mess up with her recovery.

Ban:

MK
DDD

Spoiler

Snake(?) - Doubt solved by Darth Waffles

 

[Darth Waffles]

Ban:
Snake(?)

I wouldn't bother banning this against Snake. Other than the fair spike in the water (which most other characters have some form of), he doesn't have much here that he doesn't get in a better way from another stage like Halberd or something. Many characters especially MK actually like to counterpick this against snakes for the recovery/attack options that ROB also has in his own way

 

[TheMike]

Yep, Snake isn't really someone to worry about.

 

[Sudai]

I'm just getting back from Houston. Didn't get the chance to try Siege vs Sethlon, but I tried it against OZZ and it was okay, but I'd rather take him to Yoshi's.

 

[Deadweight]

I think brinstar/cruise is a better ban choice than this vs MK,
and Castle siege vs Here for DDD is preference.
Water camping vs people who dont have spikes can be verrrrry effective durring the two transformations that have water. 2 transformations have dtilt locks. And 2 transformations have walk-offs.
Id ban this vs Water campers (IKE!!!!!!!!!!)
Idk to take here really...

 

[CJTHeroofTime]

Id ban this vs Water campers (IKE!!!!!!!!!!)

Ganondorf's Flame choke is nasty in water...

I actually like this stage a lot, I don't know why though.

Ummm... supposedly this stage is decent for Ness because he can spike you if you try and come up through the stage, he can recover through the stage, and he has tilt locks wherever we have them. I've only played a ness here once and it didn't seem to be an issue, but it might not have been a good Ness. Plus, they tend to pick Pokemon Stadium anyway.

 

[omegawhitemage]

I always bring diddy to plaza, it's just too good. The way the stage works just makes it super easy to out camp them. Patience on the main platform while you travel to whatever transformation then adjust your game accordingly. If there is somewhere to tilt lock i camp out in there and make them come to me. If not I pressure them towards the edges and try to kill them off the sides. And the transformation with three pillars, upsmash. Too good.

 

[TheMike]

OP needs update!

I always bring diddy to plaza, it's just too good. The way the stage works just makes it super easy to out camp them. Patience on the main platform while you travel to whatever transformation then adjust your game accordingly. If there is somewhere to tilt lock i camp out in there and make them come to me. If not I pressure them towards the edges and try to kill them off the sides. And the transformation with three pillars, upsmash. Too good.

Also, at some transfomations, the irregular ground ****s Diddy's Naner game.

 

[★J.G WentWorth★]

Add the Castle Siege summary to the OP.

 

[CJTHeroofTime]

Hey JG are you going to Viridian City in October?

 

[★J.G WentWorth★]

Hey JG are you going to Viridian City in October?

I'll definitely be there with my creww. You goin? Haven't seen you since that polytech thing lol.

 

[stingers]

dude...thats so sliq

 

[TheMike]

I'm sure that this isn't the Social Thread or something similar to that.

 

[buenob]

discussing stages with rob is kinda like discussing stages for everyone else... he has no _bad_ stages, and no really _good_ stages... I play best on BF because that's what I'm most comfortable on...

on that note, don't take MK to delphino lolz... also, on a serious note, uAir is amazing and this level makes it pretty easy to land it consistently

 

[6Mizu]

Overall this is a good stage for rob and remember we hav d-tilt infinites on 2 different parts of delphino.Also we can go through the stage to recover or attack.

 

[A2ZOMG]

Delphino...the main thing that sucks about this stage is that there aren't many really good gimp/edgeguard opportunities as the transformations happen. However, the transformations are pretty easy to camp on, and the walkoff boundaries can be exploited for F-throw/B-throw kills.

 

[Tin Man]

take diddy kong here, also take people you can't spike well, and avoid MK, or D3, or even G&W

 

[TheMike]

Can I take control of the Stage Discussions? Dead is almost like Dull :0

 

[Adam_]

I like camping under the stage/uairing with rob against alot of characters for the rack up dmg.

 

[N.A.G.A.C.E]

Dalfino is a interesting stage. I would say don't ban it unless against a d3. Also i don't think its a great counter pick unless maybe against a space animal or zelda do to the edge (and i still think there are better cp then this stage. Also this stage is not bad vs diddy

adv for rob: water can help you get a spike, walls can lead to good dmg with d-tilt, walk of edges could help you kill with rob's throws, stage you can go throw when recovering.

disadvantages for rob: water can get you spiked, walls can lead to getting a lot of dmg, chain grabs +walk of edges = a very sad rob.

I almost forgot olimar might be able to do some gay things here such as grab u when stage is changing which keeps you on the ground with the pikman that grabbed u and you die. (i am show everyone knows this already)

Any way like i said not a great stage for rob but not a bad one ether maybe a good diddy cp but idk that mu well.

TheMike: if no one is taking care of this thread i don't see why u can't take over.

Edit: since i was not around for brinstar or cs i would like to just put a my quick two cents in.

Brimstar: i hate it the things near the ledge stop my top and it pisses me off Also lava goes after me , i might ban this depending on the character i was playing against i.e DK.

CS: i like this stage it might be a cp i would choice but i have not thought that much about it yet. The 2nd part is pretty good for camping but walk off edges could be trouble, the 3rd part kinda big also good for camping and random bump can help mindgame the laser (which is a good thing), 1st part kinda small but i often find it helps me more then hurts me so overall good stage.

(if this does not make sense tell me i am mad tired right now)

 

[6Mizu]

Aren't we gonna move on to the next stage soon.

Oh, and here something quicky it may have already been said but ROB has d-tilt lock against the wall on certain transformations.
Also i'm not sure but MK id NOT someone ROB wants to take here.

 

[TheMike]

Yeah. Delfino = MK. And I said about Dtilt Lock on my post that is quoted below. ;]

Advantages for ROB:

ROB can shark at the "regular" stage, which gives him more options to get back to the stage. At this part, we can also gimp easier characters with tether recovery(my advice here is going off-stage). The other transformations are also good for ROB, at someones, the walk-off part helps us to get earlier kills with Bthrow and, at others, we can camp a little bit safer. Besides, we can perform some Dtilt locks at some walls.

We don't need to worry too much about being edge guarded because there are only 2 or 3 transformations that there's an off-stage part. The others have or walk-off, or water(just try to avoid it). And i think we can have some nice Dairs when the opponent is trying to get off the water as it isn't fast and there's enough time for the Dair to come out.


Earlier kills at this stage is just too good <3


Disadvantages for ROB:

While we can get earlier kills with the walk-off parts, we can also be killed earlier there. While we can get som extra % when the opponent is on the water, we can be edge guarded like hell there if we don't avoid it.


Counter Picks:

It's a nice stage to pick agaist Zamus as we can avoid her's Armor Pieces sharking and sometimes we can get earlier kills with Bthow, Fsmash, Bair, Nair or even gimp her at the parts with an off-stage part because the edges can mess up with her recovery.

Ban:

MK
DDD

Spoiler

Snake(?) - Doubt solved by Darth Waffles