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New North American Online Player Tier List

The Star King

Smash Hero
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Wilde is a new guy who's been putting in mad hours and claimed he would go even with me after 2 months, lol
 

#HBC | ѕoup

The world is not beautiful, therefore it is.
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yeah we need more people on kaillera who are less focused on winning and more focused on just playing

Wilde seemed B-tier when I played him, are we still doing that low b high and middle lol
 

thegreginator

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Oct 22, 2006
Messages
372
I'm curious where people who know what they're talking about would rank me.

On an unrelated and somewhat sad note, I'm starting to think Jiggs is my best character.
 

Kimimaru

Smash Ace
Joined
Apr 19, 2012
Messages
915
Location
CA
I'd say Mint is in B tier also.

yeah we need more people on kaillera who are less focused on winning and more focused on just playing
I'm a lot like this actually. I usually don't play many games against people significantly worse than me though because I think they can learn more fighting players closer to their levels.
 

151rby

Smash Cadet
Joined
Feb 20, 2013
Messages
30
Location
Loveland, Colorado
Just a thought, and sorry if this has already been brought up, but wouldn't this process be greatly simplified by the use of a player rating system such as Elo?
 

clubbadubba

Smash Master
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Apr 27, 2011
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You are absolutely right, but the problem is players are too lazy to make their own competitive matches and report them, so the only data we have is from online tournaments, which are few and far between. I've been saying for a while that people should just have competitive sets once in a while and be able to report the results to something like that. Nintendude had something like last year, but it only took into account tourney data. So yea, would be great, but not enough people would do it.
 

151rby

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I suppose even if players did regularly report the results of their matches, losing players would have an incentive to leave the winner with the burden of reporting (and hope that they forget). Plus when people play like 50 matches in a night, it would just be so easy to forget to write down the outcome of one of them. And of course with any system, there are a few people who will try to exploit it; there isn't really any way to prove that a match was played on Kaillera unless it was recorded (right?), so sadly there would be some instances of false reporting, and denial of legitimate losses.

For an Elo system to be reliable, it would probably have to be automated, which would require significant changes to the software that allows people to play online... yeah, seems a bit out of reach.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

The world is not beautiful, therefore it is.
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I think we should categorize tier-lists by greek letters. m!nt for Beta tier.
 

NovaSmash

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Dec 28, 2009
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Marietta, Ga
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My A tier (in order):

Frogles- good with every character
Star king- crazy good fox, very good yoshi
Killer- watched him beat MATTS! multiple times, including 3 stocking a few times
Firo- havnt played in a while, good with most characters, crazy ness
Nintendude- havnt played in a while, seemed good with most characters
YBOMBB- He overrates himself sometimes but is very good and consistent, uses low tiers alot
tacos- I used to be able to beat him, now I cant, very good yoshi
WOTG- good with every character and pretty consistent, good tech skill
Kabal- still has the best samus ive played besides isai and jaimehr

I didn't put sheer on my list cuz he doesnt play me so i cant say how good he is.
 

KoRoBeNiKi

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Writing Team
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if you add Matts! to the bottom of that list or maybe above WOTG I mostly agree fully. I also think that Kabal is possibly better than WOTG but this might be bias
 

SheerMadness

Smash Master
Joined
Aug 18, 2005
Messages
4,781
Pretty good list gav. I'd agree with Tacos and up.

WOTG and Kabal I'd probably put in their own "bordlerline" A tier. Kabal is mad good for a samus, but it's samus and that's his only char... Too many really bad match ups he's gonna struggle with.

MATTS! can be A tier too. Even though he still rolls around like a noob and his ONLY char is Kirby.

Oh and I'd agree that Jaime and Frog are probably top of A tier not S tier. Boom and malva are the only S tier and above players.
 

clubbadubba

Smash Master
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Apr 27, 2011
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Yea wotg tell us what you think.

SK I can't tell if by certain somebody you are referring to yourself, or if someone is actually back... next time could you be more vague?
 

WOTG

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Feb 16, 2009
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710
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Katy, Texas
S(S)-tier (in order)
Isai/malva00
superboomfan

S-tier/High A-tier (in order)
Sensei/JaimeHR
Star King
Bane
Frogles
Killer

A-tier (in order)
SheerMadness
Kabal
Kimimaru
MATTS!
tacos
Dext3r
Battlecow
YBOMBB
WOTG
Firo

B-tier (in order)
*** Vwls
Loto
near
Smelly Cat
thegreginator
clubba
Nova
Combo Blaze
Wilde
B-Link
KnitePhox
Komotonoto
Mint
viCe

All the important people I remember playing in the past months. If I didn't list a name it's either I just don't remember us playing, forgot to add you, or we never played.
 

clubbadubba

Smash Master
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Apr 27, 2011
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Oh right, kimimaru.... star king is that who's back? Is it bane? I bet its bane.

Also I like the list, and the fact that its ordered. Good stuff, I agree for the most part.
 

WOTG

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lol I forgot bane, edited. though i heard he quit not too long ago

Also, like every now and then I remember names...one of them being LD who I'm not going to add on the list because he's too controversial.
 

#HBC | ѕoup

The world is not beautiful, therefore it is.
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Kimmi is A-tier? I thought he just came back? Good stuff. I'll be sure to play him again, fun times from T-P.

I wanna play someone from A-tier because im not gonna judge my skill based on the friendlies with mint/wilde/combo blaze (i took nearly every game besides some dumb mistakes)

i dont really like rating myself either and i know there's room for improvement still
 

King Omega

Smash Journeyman
Joined
Apr 15, 2009
Messages
388
WOTG, why is Fсk Vwls at the top of B tier? There are a bunch of people there who are better than him. Hell, Mint is better than him.
 

clubbadubba

Smash Master
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^^Was gonna say that too, but maybe Vwls just gives WOTG more trouble than the rest of B tier. Its all about matchups
 

WOTG

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I don't think you guys know what you're talking about... When's the last time you played *** Vwls? And Squashini, who are you on kaillera now?
 

clubbadubba

Smash Master
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like 2 days ago lol, and I would DEFINITELY disagree with your placement of him in B tier, but he would still be B tier. I'd actually have him towards the bottom though. Its tough to tell with him though because he does lag/ds a lot so we don't usually get tons of games in.
 

WOTG

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Hmm okay. He's pretty good every time i play him, in doubles or singles, maybe yall styles get the better of him. And he's gotten better since like months ago or w/e.

Everyone always seem to disagree with my opinion, so whatever. I'm still waiting on Mr everyoneisoverrated tacos to post his holier than thou list
 

Kimimaru

Smash Ace
Joined
Apr 19, 2012
Messages
915
Location
CA
Kimmi is A-tier? I thought he just came back? Good stuff. I'll be sure to play him again, fun times from T-P.

I wanna play someone from A-tier because im not gonna judge my skill based on the friendlies with mint/wilde/combo blaze (i took nearly every game besides some dumb mistakes)

i dont really like rating myself either and i know there's room for improvement still
I remember that clan! What was your name? And sure, we'll definitely play sometime; I'm able to get on more often because I don't have as much work this week.
 

Kimimaru

Smash Ace
Joined
Apr 19, 2012
Messages
915
Location
CA
Oh yeah! I remember you! Yeah, I go on there sometimes and do some runs, including SSB 1P runs.

We'll definitely play sometime; just let me know when you're available!
 
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