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New Dice Rule
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Why should they be? We're not using them as indicators of skill. We're not using them to say "Welcome to the club." We're using them to say, you did a DAMN good job there. Why would we change them to such a drastically different use?
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IDK. Starting over from zero has been mentioned, so I figured if we're gonna do that we could also change what the dice indicate as well.
Alright a few things:
1.) Ryker, don't make a new ****ing thread and then when people seriously respond to your ******** suggestion, say you were just trolling. Don't pollute the boards with troll threads.
2.) Having a system to remove MVP awards is fullblown ********. Such a system only targets individuals who at one point were regarded as having been great players but perhaps are no longer regarded as such, and only serves to institutionalize the punishment of said players for not being as good as they used to be if that's even the case. The whole system is seriously purely spite driven from what it seems.
The Oscar analogy that was offered earlier is a perfect example of why this system makes so sense, at all.
3.) I agree the MVP's are handed out to easily, but that's because we never really agreed exactly on what an MVP performance should be and how we define who deserves it. Hence, people get all bent out of shape because every mod has a different idea of what defines an MVP performance because they value different things.
Personally, I feel like the current system as it stands suggests that there should be ONE MVP per game, and that person should be the player who best played/contributed to their factions wincon and also who best played relative to what their role could do and how they overall impacted the game.
MVP means Most Valuable Player, which means the player who was, relative to the rest of the players in the cast, the most valuable to their team, gets the award. As such, having no MVP for a game doesn't make much sense to me, since SOMEONE had to be the best, even if everyone sucked.
You guys seem to be asking to change dice to be something like a Dgames Superstar, or Dgames Excellence award. It would make sense to withhold such an award from everyone in a game if no one really performed in an exceptional manner, and it CERTAINLY would make more sense as a more exclusive award if everyone feels like getting MVP is "too easy" these days.
Personally, I think that getting MVP is too easy because mods are way too lax and not critical enough when they make the decision to hand out MVPs. The concept of having two MVPs in a game, to mean, seems ludicrous unless their play was inextricably linked and the reason why their team came out on top, and the concept of MORE THAN 2 MVPs in a game seems to me like the decision of an immature mod that simply lacks the capability to critically analyze the flow of a game.
So basically, we need to decide what we want dice to REALLY mean. If we want it to actually mean MVP, then the current system is fine, and the mods just need to step the **** up and actually put critical thought into picking ONE MVP per game. If people want the award to be even more exclusive and encourage mods to NOT award it if no one really performed up to a standard, then we need to change the name of the award and how we handle giving it out.
If we stick with MVP as being what we want to award, wiping the slate clean and retroactively taking away people's dice is full blown ********. If we want to change what the award is, how you get it, and what it stands for (i.e., what we value ultimately in Dgames) then wiping the slate clean makes plenty of sense.
1.) Ryker, don't make a new ****ing thread and then when people seriously respond to your ******** suggestion, say you were just trolling. Don't pollute the boards with troll threads.
2.) Having a system to remove MVP awards is fullblown ********. Such a system only targets individuals who at one point were regarded as having been great players but perhaps are no longer regarded as such, and only serves to institutionalize the punishment of said players for not being as good as they used to be if that's even the case. The whole system is seriously purely spite driven from what it seems.
The Oscar analogy that was offered earlier is a perfect example of why this system makes so sense, at all.
3.) I agree the MVP's are handed out to easily, but that's because we never really agreed exactly on what an MVP performance should be and how we define who deserves it. Hence, people get all bent out of shape because every mod has a different idea of what defines an MVP performance because they value different things.
Personally, I feel like the current system as it stands suggests that there should be ONE MVP per game, and that person should be the player who best played/contributed to their factions wincon and also who best played relative to what their role could do and how they overall impacted the game.
MVP means Most Valuable Player, which means the player who was, relative to the rest of the players in the cast, the most valuable to their team, gets the award. As such, having no MVP for a game doesn't make much sense to me, since SOMEONE had to be the best, even if everyone sucked.
You guys seem to be asking to change dice to be something like a Dgames Superstar, or Dgames Excellence award. It would make sense to withhold such an award from everyone in a game if no one really performed in an exceptional manner, and it CERTAINLY would make more sense as a more exclusive award if everyone feels like getting MVP is "too easy" these days.
Personally, I think that getting MVP is too easy because mods are way too lax and not critical enough when they make the decision to hand out MVPs. The concept of having two MVPs in a game, to mean, seems ludicrous unless their play was inextricably linked and the reason why their team came out on top, and the concept of MORE THAN 2 MVPs in a game seems to me like the decision of an immature mod that simply lacks the capability to critically analyze the flow of a game.
So basically, we need to decide what we want dice to REALLY mean. If we want it to actually mean MVP, then the current system is fine, and the mods just need to step the **** up and actually put critical thought into picking ONE MVP per game. If people want the award to be even more exclusive and encourage mods to NOT award it if no one really performed up to a standard, then we need to change the name of the award and how we handle giving it out.
If we stick with MVP as being what we want to award, wiping the slate clean and retroactively taking away people's dice is full blown ********. If we want to change what the award is, how you get it, and what it stands for (i.e., what we value ultimately in Dgames) then wiping the slate clean makes plenty of sense.
It's obviously degenerated into a serious discussion. Why you're being pissy, I don't know.
Yes, I am mad.
If you're proud of being able to troll people or think its funny to fill Dgames with your **** threads, then you're ****ing pathetic. Don't deliberately create troll threads, period. I'm the Dleader here and I'm pretty sure it's part of whatever minimal job I might have to stop that stuff from happening.
I don't care if it moved away from your original troll concept into something constructive. Just because Dgamers are mature enough to disregard your drivel and move on to something constructive doesn't excuse you from posting the original drivel. In this case the ends do not justify the means.
If you're proud of being able to troll people or think its funny to fill Dgames with your **** threads, then you're ****ing pathetic. Don't deliberately create troll threads, period. I'm the Dleader here and I'm pretty sure it's part of whatever minimal job I might have to stop that stuff from happening.
I don't care if it moved away from your original troll concept into something constructive. Just because Dgamers are mature enough to disregard your drivel and move on to something constructive doesn't excuse you from posting the original drivel. In this case the ends do not justify the means.
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THIS, YES. I WANT THIS TO HAPPEN. t
No one else is being pissy about it. It's just you and if you'll look around, you'll see that no one is filling DGames with anything that isn't mafia games. Chill out big man.
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I am unhappy at this actually being a troll attempt, I just didn't think it worthwhile to express my exasperation at your stupidity, Ryker. Just because people don't report you for trolling doesn't mean they agree with it.
@mods
As far as the dice thing go, is there any reason we couldn't keep track of both an MVP and the excellence award idea? (We don't have to have icons for both, but we could keep track in the archive, right?)
@mods
As far as the dice thing go, is there any reason we couldn't keep track of both an MVP and the excellence award idea? (We don't have to have icons for both, but we could keep track in the archive, right?)
Oh so just because I'm allegedly the only one who has a problem with your spam and trolling makes it acceptable?
Are you ****ing ********?
I don't need an army of people backing me up to be able to tell you to stop doing stupid **** that other people are too apathetic/lazy to respond to.
I'm pretty sure SWF has a policy against trolling anyway.
And just because it's one thread and not a rampant problem doesn't make it any more ok for you start **** threads.
I have no problem with threads that aren't strictly mafia. Just don't make pointless troll threads, or threads that concern a topic that already has a location for discussion or thread about something that doesn't concern Dgames at all.
Dgames is an exceptionally clean section of SWF. I'd like to keep it that way, and you thinking you're cool and edgy for doing **** like this is a step in the wrong direction.
Are you ****ing ********?
I don't need an army of people backing me up to be able to tell you to stop doing stupid **** that other people are too apathetic/lazy to respond to.
I'm pretty sure SWF has a policy against trolling anyway.
And just because it's one thread and not a rampant problem doesn't make it any more ok for you start **** threads.
I have no problem with threads that aren't strictly mafia. Just don't make pointless troll threads, or threads that concern a topic that already has a location for discussion or thread about something that doesn't concern Dgames at all.
Dgames is an exceptionally clean section of SWF. I'd like to keep it that way, and you thinking you're cool and edgy for doing **** like this is a step in the wrong direction.
adumbrodeus
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Fixed, you missed one FF.
If you have a problem with me, let's stop the fluff posting and come out with it then. Just saying. Don't say I'm flooding a board. Don't say everyone has a problem with it. Don't say SWF has a policy without bringing it up. Don't be an ***. This had long since turned into a productive discussion, so your the one becoming an issue now.
If you really want to continue this, take it to PMs, I'll gladly deal with it then, but I'm done here.
I wouldn't want to be a distraction to a productive discussion.
If you really want to continue this, take it to PMs, I'll gladly deal with it then, but I'm done here.
I wouldn't want to be a distraction to a productive discussion.
I have a problem with your attitude about trolling, and the principle behind the idea of creating a thread like this, and the fact that you're proud of it, or at least act like you are. That's where my attacks are going.
You aren't flooding a board, but you're acting in a manner that sets a bad example and if was continued, WOULD result in flooding.
I didn't say everyone had a problem with it. At all. I said it doesn't matter if they do or not, and just because a lot of people don't have a problem with it doesn't mean it isn't my job to stop it from happening.
Here's your ****ing policy:
Glad you're done here. That's all I wanted. Either contribute meaningfully or don't post.
EDIT: thx adumBRO
You aren't flooding a board, but you're acting in a manner that sets a bad example and if was continued, WOULD result in flooding.
I didn't say everyone had a problem with it. At all. I said it doesn't matter if they do or not, and just because a lot of people don't have a problem with it doesn't mean it isn't my job to stop it from happening.
Here's your ****ing policy:
Not that I'm threatening to report you or anything like that. I'm just telling you to cut the **** because it's unnecessary, and I DO have the global rules to back me up.
Glad you're done here. That's all I wanted. Either contribute meaningfully or don't post.
EDIT: thx adumBRO
Hey look, it's FF.
Yeah, if you're not making a threat, then you don't bring it up. You are making a threat, and it doesn't bother and won't affect me. You don't have to get mad about a joke thread, but seeing as it was made fishing for reactions, then feel free to continue.
Yeah, if you're not making a threat, then you don't bring it up. You are making a threat, and it doesn't bother and won't affect me. You don't have to get mad about a joke thread, but seeing as it was made fishing for reactions, then feel free to continue.
M.K
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Yeah Ryker that could deliberately be taken as trolling, so unless you'd rather see yourself on some other website playing this game (hint: one that doesn't have dice), then I suggest you stop being immature over the situation.
It kinda is deliberately trolling. Are you blind, MK?
#HBC | Gorf
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.MK said:
You think he gives a f***?!?!?!
M.K
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Wow.
At first I thought only the playstyles of Dgames had gone downhill. Now I understand that it's the maturity of the player.
At first I thought only the playstyles of Dgames had gone downhill. Now I understand that it's the maturity of the player.
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Frozen Flame, honestly, if you don't like an idea, then there is no reason to curse at people in a non game, social setting. Taking it into PM would be way better and quite honestly it's just annoying on both sides. Sorry if this isn't what you want to hear or whatever, but your cussing at ryker and his responces aren't helping the discussion in any way, shape, or form.
And with that FF, I could report most Dgamers for trolling and flaming. I would fall into this category.
And with that FF, I could report most Dgamers for trolling and flaming. I would fall into this category.
Wait, so telling you that you breaking the rules, me asking you to stop, and presenting you with the rule you are breaking is threatening you?
You seriously must just be addicted to trolling because I can't believe anyone is this dumb.
If you have a problem with cussing welcome to the internet. Don't tell me how to speak English.
You might not think it's helping the discussion but I think that it's actually the core issue of this entire thread. Like I said, what the thread evolved into is not what I'm attacking, it's what the original intent was. That deserves this criticism because as I said, the ends don't justify the means and there's no reason to encourage this type of thread from being started.
And no, no you could not report people here on those grounds. I'd love to see what you call report worthy trolling or flaming that exists here. There's a big difference between serious flaming and being stern with someone, and there's also a big difference between lackadaisical trolling (see: Swiss) and deliberate, actual trolling (i.e. this thread, starting a discussion about a controversial topic in the community in a manner that directly facilitates severe disagreement and the like).
You seriously must just be addicted to trolling because I can't believe anyone is this dumb.
The issue of Dice/MVP status an what not is a public issue, so no, telling Ryker that trolling about it is ****ing stupid is not something I need to take to PM.
If you have a problem with cussing welcome to the internet. Don't tell me how to speak English.
You might not think it's helping the discussion but I think that it's actually the core issue of this entire thread. Like I said, what the thread evolved into is not what I'm attacking, it's what the original intent was. That deserves this criticism because as I said, the ends don't justify the means and there's no reason to encourage this type of thread from being started.
And no, no you could not report people here on those grounds. I'd love to see what you call report worthy trolling or flaming that exists here. There's a big difference between serious flaming and being stern with someone, and there's also a big difference between lackadaisical trolling (see: Swiss) and deliberate, actual trolling (i.e. this thread, starting a discussion about a controversial topic in the community in a manner that directly facilitates severe disagreement and the like).
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You might want to try not responding to him.
You saying that you aren't going to report me when you're quoting rules at me is a a threat, you're simply trying not to be direct with it.
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This is just sad...
You guys wonder why the vets don't play any more.
In all seriousness, I'm thinkin no, as it turns it into a rating system, and in addition, the extra pm space the dice allow is really nice and I would rather not lose it. Yes, you could avoid it by playing well, but I don't want it to turn into each game having an MVP and LVP.
You guys wonder why the vets don't play any more.
In all seriousness, I'm thinkin no, as it turns it into a rating system, and in addition, the extra pm space the dice allow is really nice and I would rather not lose it. Yes, you could avoid it by playing well, but I don't want it to turn into each game having an MVP and LVP.
Because half of them don't have time and half aren't any good.
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/inb4lock.
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You're funny. I'm prolly the worst of the old guard, but if I brought my full attention to bear and had the time like I used to, you wouldn't stand a chance.
I had actually forgotten about the PM space and it is something that should be considered.
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Ryker really isn't that bad at mafia, and honestly, most of the vets just don't care, making Rykers statement case and point. If you don't care, then you aren't a good player.
That's a bold statement considering you seem to have a questionable grasp on logic.
I say you're breaking a SWF global rule.
You say, why even bring that up if you won't show what rule it is.
I quote the rule for you to SHOW you specifically what rule you're breaking, and thus, why you should stop doing what you're doing.
You say I'm threatening you.
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I say you're breaking a SWF global rule.
You say, why even bring that up if you won't show what rule it is.
I quote the rule for you to SHOW you specifically what rule you're breaking, and thus, why you should stop doing what you're doing.
You say I'm threatening you.
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Not that my opinion matters, but I saw it as a threat as well. You posted a quote of the rules and basically said "I'm not reporting you, but you can get reported for doing so." Which just means you're reporting him without actually doing the dirty work.
I did challenge you to bring it up. You did bring it up. You then say you aren't threatening me when originally mentioning it at all is a threat directly (as in you saying you'll report me) or indirectly (the way you implied that I would be infracted/banned/etc for it). What's faulty there?
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Is this not considered flaming to you?
I'm not teaching you how to speak english or whatever. I'm saying that it's disrespectful to call people ********. I could understand if you were in a game with him and he's ruining the game with his stupid moves, but it's a social thread, asking a question, and even though the main intent wasn't the best, it became a decent thread. It got great discussion going. You calling him that puts you in the category that you're trying to put him into.
So let me get this straight.
A 14 year old is driving his parents' car around the neighborhood. He has no license, therefore, his actions are illegal.
His parents call him, and tell him "You're breaking the law. Bring the car home, stop doing what you're doing, and don't do it again because if you're caught doing it again you can get in trouble. Also, it's illegal for a reason, which is why we're telling you to stop".
This is pretty much exactly what I did.
Would you consider this threatening the child? If you do you probably need to seriously reconsider what you take as a threat.
A threat is something like, "if you don't stop right now I WILL report/infract you". It is NOT "stop doing that because it's against the rules".
And no, asking rhetorical questions isn't flaming to me, Joey.
A 14 year old is driving his parents' car around the neighborhood. He has no license, therefore, his actions are illegal.
His parents call him, and tell him "You're breaking the law. Bring the car home, stop doing what you're doing, and don't do it again because if you're caught doing it again you can get in trouble. Also, it's illegal for a reason, which is why we're telling you to stop".
This is pretty much exactly what I did.
Would you consider this threatening the child? If you do you probably need to seriously reconsider what you take as a threat.
A threat is something like, "if you don't stop right now I WILL report/infract you". It is NOT "stop doing that because it's against the rules".
And no, asking rhetorical questions isn't flaming to me, Joey.
Frozen, are you my father? Wow, my whole life is a lie! Without the parental role your analogy falls apart.
And yes, the sentence, "You are breaking the law," is a threat as much as it is informative.
And yes, the sentence, "You are breaking the law," is a threat as much as it is informative.
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The way you posted before made me believe that you were trying to call him ******** instead of asking him a rhetorical question. That is completely my fault and I am very sorry for assuming things.
That is a different situation. The parents are in complete control of the child, and he's probably going to get punished very severely either way. You're not in control of Ryker in any way, shape, or form. I kind of see your point, but it still seems like a threat.
That is a different situation. The parents are in complete control of the child, and he's probably going to get punished very severely either way. You're not in control of Ryker in any way, shape, or form. I kind of see your point, but it still seems like a threat.
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Joey, that's not the only cuss I have seen. Gord has too, who agrees with Ryker.
If you would report FF, you'd have to report Gord too, and others. (Didn't read ;P)
Even so, Cuss words are usually censored, so what's the use?
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