New Characters for Project M Discussion Thread (Voting Closed)

[PlateProp]

How easily those of a little faith lose hope.

Has everyone forgotten that there WILL be unlockable characters? Everytime we swear that that's it for new character reveals here comes sakurai riding down hype lane with his bag full of goodies. I'll be honest, I'm not the biggest Fire Emblem afficionado but what this reveal did do for me is confirm that the cast this time around will not only be diverse but absolutely massive. The number of confirmed characters already surpasses melee's character count and is steadily reaching brawl's. I'm sure there are at least 7-10 secret characters already done.

Consider sakurai's decision to include both shiek and zss as seperate characters. The man obviously wants to bring back every character from brawl even if he has to modify them slightly. When i took drawing classes a looooong time ago my professor always told me "don't erase. fix what's there then move on". I think sakurai has a similar mindset. For those hoping for an advance wars character, i don't think he's forgotten you. He could easily kill two birds with one stone by releasing an advance wars character that played just like snake from brawl/pm then releasing another with a completely new moveset. Sami and Andy would fit the bill and then there wouldn't be any bickering over which he should add. For those hoping for Ridley, even if he isn't a regular playable character the potential is still there to add a playable bosses mode. Mewtwo? He's one of the most important pokemon ever. I doubt he'll leave him in the dust. Roy might get added just because pm has picked up enough steam and made a large enough impact on the smash community.

Even if I'm totally wrong about his character choice, you still have to appreciate that the man is listening to the community and trying to create a fun game for everyone with a diverse cast of characters. The invitational showed this and the amount of work that went into that trailer is incredible. I commend the team for the very impressive visuals and the very likable art style they presented during the reveal.

The only worry i have about smash 4 at this point is not having enough money to buy it day 1.
/rant
Anyway Back on topic.

I still really want to see a smash rep specifically but lyn for pm is looking better than ever right now.

#SandbagNation

 

[Exodo]

Guys, they announced lucina and robin, now we also get our fire emblem announcement and have black knight and zelgius, but wait, they're the same character!!!*cough* alt costume *cough*

 

[ZeruSlayer]

All I see is a river of blue, insecure text that is trying to defend itself and speak as if it is of greater intellect. All I'm saying is that attacking another post just because someone else did is childish. I'm not going to waste my time reading a wall of defensive text that tries to tell me otherwise, because I understood the original statement well enough to understand an argument was taking place. What makes no sense is why you tried to respond by attacking.

And to be completely honest with you, I'm not in the mood to argue with you or the lot of people who want to keep taking jabs at me. I've got enough to deal with. I don't need people stacking my plate full with pointless debuts. My goal was to stop you from progressing into the realm of a stupid argument, which you proceeded to allow yourself to fall in.

That's a childish way of looking at things. You see one thing and, like a child, you stick to your idealism without once looking at anothers and when its argued you choose to ignore it proving to yourself that you're right. That's cowardly, if you even bothered to read what I wasted over 10 minutes of typing you would see my nature and my entire motives for my actions ever since I signed up to smashboards. Not even attempting to read it is an insult to me and makes you look obnoxious which proves my final point. You have a one track mind and you assume too much.

P.S. I use blue text because it's easier to find my posts, your insult and poor imagery is not appreciated

 

[Exodo]

I like Fire Emblem as much as the next guy, but you gotta admit it's being over-repped in Smash 4.

This is one area that PM should not draw inspiration from Nintendo.

Its not overepped you cray cray? It has 4 and that is a decent number for such a great series with so much doable characters in my opinion.
And i do feel project atleast should add one more fire emblem, a villian, a Knight, a Black one... Zelgius aka Blakck Knight aka you got your perfect alt costume right there!!!

AKA. LOVE THIS POST AND MY IDEA!! Pwease...

 

[Spleenhunter]

People talk **** about Fox clones in Smash, even tho there are only two true Fox clones
But now smash has 3 true Marth clones and noone's saying ****

Maybe its because people aren't salty about Marth multishine Up Smashing them in their very first tournament, causing them to cry and switch mains.

 

[Shin F.]

Its not overepped you cray cray? It has 4 and that is a decent number for such a great series with so much doable characters in my opinion.
And i do feel project atleast should add one more fire emblem, a villian, a Knight, a Black one... Zelgius aka Blakck Knight aka you got your perfect alt costume right there!!!

AKA. LOVE THIS POST AND MY IDEA!! Pwease...

It's all relative. Fire Emblem has 4 reps? That's fine. Seems like a good number.

Fire Emblem has 4 while DK and Metroid have 2? Golden Sun and Advance Wars have 0? Time to back up some and get some reps for those series first.

 

[ZeruSlayer]

Its not overepped you cray cray? It has 4 and that is a decent number for such a great series with so much doable characters in my opinion.
And i do feel project atleast should add one more fire emblem, a villian, a Knight, a Black one... Zelgius aka Blakck Knight aka you got your perfect alt costume right there!!!

AKA. LOVE THIS POST AND MY IDEA!! Pwease...

I would like another Fire Emblem rep but some people feel that the franchise doesn't deserve another clone engine character which I can somewhat empathize with them. I guess we have to wait and see...fingers crossed

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

We should drop the Smash 4 talk.

 

[alex6309]

We should be talking about breaking the boundries of Smash 64 and making it the one true smash game.

 

[Solbliminal]

If that's true that doesn't make her an alt. That's like saying Zelda and Shiek before Sm4sh were alts

That is completely different. Sheik is a standalone character with a completely different moveset not even comparable to Zelda. So far visually, Lucina is hard to tell from Marth in terms of gameplay.

Okay really, it just seems like you're trying to defend something that has substantial evidence against it. MWFT trainer doesnt have its own character page on the site while Lucina does. MWFT trainer didnt get a join picture, Lucina did.

No not really. This case is entirely different than those because they are the same character. Wii Fit Trainer is Wii Fit Trainer. Villager is Villager. Robin is Robin. But Lucina is a separate PERSON from Marth. Unless you want to hear Marth's announcer call when you select a Lucina skin, it makes no sense.

Also don't tell me I dont know what being salty is and saying i'm trying to arm myself with it. Salty is being angry and your posts are coming off as pretty angry for no reason than your argument has several things against it.

Text does not convey emotion. Understand the difference between me having a different opinion than you, and anger. And don't try to respond in defense of this. You approached me by asking me why I was salty. It was clear you were looking to start an argument.

Can you answer my question first? When are they not listed as such? I remember when custom moves were shown off in the april direct, during E3, in Palutena's trailer, and the POTD with Donkey Kong and his tornado punch and they were listed as such.

You never even answered my question from before the one you asked. Because watching a trailer isn't playing the game. You don't know what you are getting until it is either explained to you, or you have played it for yourself.

That's a childish way of looking at things. You see one thing and, like a child, you stick to your idealism without once looking at anothers and when its argued you choose to ignore it proving to yourself that you're right. That's cowardly, if you even bothered to read what I wasted over 10 minutes of typing you would see my nature and my entire motives for my actions ever since I signed up to smashboards. Not even attempting to read it is an insult to me and makes you look obnoxious which proves my final point. You have a one track mind and you assume too much.

P.S. I use blue text because it's easier to find my posts, your insult and poor imagery is not appreciated

You're the one seeing things on a one track mind. I just told you 3 times in a row I was trying to prevent you from having a ridiculous argument against someone who likely gives no ****s about your views. What kind of person are you to think I don't have a level of respect when I do that sort of thing? If anything I didn't want to see you waste your time stooping to someone else's level out of respect for you as a person. You're just too bull headed to understand when I'm trying to help you out. But by all means. Waste your intelligence on arguing with the monkey who didn't even acknowledge you.

 

[ZeruSlayer]

We should be talking about breaking the boundries of Smash 64 and making it the one true smash game.

inb4 Smash 64 hd remix version on the Wii U

 

[PlateProp]

That is completely different. Sheik is a standalone character with a completely different moveset not even comparable to Zelda. So far visually, Lucina is hard to tell from Marth in terms of gameplay.



No not really. This case is entirely different than those because they are the same character. Wii Fit Trainer is Wii Fit Trainer. Villager is Villager. Robin is Robin. But Lucina is a separate PERSON from Marth. Unless you want to hear Marth's announcer call when you select a Lucina skin, it makes no sense.



Text does not convey emotion. Understand the difference between me having a different opinion than you, and anger. And don't try to respond in defense of this. You approached me by asking me why I was salty. It was clear you were looking to start an argument.



You never even answered my question from before the one you asked. Because watching a trailer isn't playing the game. You don't know what you are getting until it is either explained to you, or you have played it for yourself.



You're the one seeing things on a one track mind. I just told you 3 times in a row I was trying to prevent you from having a ridiculous argument against someone who likely gives no ****s about your views. What kind of person are you to think I don't have a level of respect when I do that sort of thing? If anything I didn't want to see you waste your time stooping to someone else's level out of respect for you as a person. You're just too bull headed to understand when I'm trying to help you out. But by all means. Waste your intelligence on arguing with the monkey who didn't even acknowledge you.

Wasnt trying to argument at all, I was asking why you were so feverently defending something that's untrue. They would have said Lucina is an alt costume in the video, but they didnt, she's her own character, qnd everyone who disagrees is wrong. We've had clones before, no one ever went and said Falco was an alt skin for Fox in Melee.

Stop ignoring the facts :I

Edit: I'd also like to point out that you yourself said you were angry in an earlier post. So yeah.

 

[Exodo]

It's all relative. Fire Emblem has 4 reps? That's fine. Seems like a good number.

Fire Emblem has 4 while DK and Metroid have 2? Golden Sun and Advance Wars have 0? Time to back up some and get some reps for those series first.

I know that, i was just saying that if fire emblem gets another rep, it should be black knight, perfect fit, but yeah, i do think golden sun needs rep, isaac, and metroid could get either dark samus or ridley, f zero it should also get another one adding more villians to the game, in other words Black Shadow. But yeah my point is, if we get( i hope so) another fire emblem rep, it should be Black Knight and of course we need reps for golden sun and more for other big franchises like metroid.

 

[Solbliminal]

Wasnt trying to argument at all, I was asking why you were so feverently defending something that's untrue. They would have said Lucina is an alt costume in the video, but they didnt, she's her own character, qnd everyone who disagrees is wrong. We've had clones before, no one ever went and said Falco was an alt skin for Fox in Melee.

Stop ignoring the facts :I

I'm NOT ignoring facts. That is honestly what I saw in this trailer and that is how I'm going to see it until I'm told from an official source. And yeah. You are starting with me. You asked me if I were salty after exchanging my OPINION on this matter. I'm well aware of how the series has always had clones. It isn't something alien to me. For godsake, I main Roy dude. I know what the hell a clone is. It is just the manner in which they introduced Lucina that confuses me. Her portrait doesn't say newcomer unless you click on her, she doesn't have a banner, and she is obviously in relation to Marth one way or another. You act like I'm outright denying her as a clone. Which I'm not. All I'm saying is that it hasn't been confirmed yet. If anything, you are ignoring MY point.

 

[arcticfox8]

Hey guys Isaac is cool right let's talk about Isaac

 

[PlateProp]

I'm NOT ignoring facts. That is honestly what I saw in this trailer and that is how I'm going to see it until I'm told from an official source. And yeah. You are starting with me. You asked me if I were salty after exchanging my OPINION on this matter. I'm well aware of how the series has always had clones. It isn't something alien to me. For godsake, I main Roy dude. I know what the hell a clone is. It is just the manner in which they introduced Lucina that confuses me. Her portrait doesn't say newcomer unless you click on her, she doesn't have a banner, and she is obviously in relation to Marth one way or another. You act like I'm outright denying her as a clone. Which I'm not. All I'm saying is that it hasn't been confirmed yet. If anything, you are ignoring MY point.

Did I somehow lose the ability to read English? Because tgat is clearly a banner that says Newcomer on it :/

 

[Solbliminal]

View attachment 18167
Did I somehow lose the ability to read English? Because tgat is clearly a banner that says Newcomer on it :/

They must have updated it then, because it wasn't there when I looked at it the first time.

Edit: No I'm definitely right, because it is still on my screen.

 

[Shin F.]

It's not there when I look at it, still. I've heard it only shows like that on mobile. I've got something else relating to it I'm going to post very soon.

 

[Exodo]

They must have updated it then, because it wasn't there when I looked at it the first time.

Edit: No I'm definitely right, because it is still on my screen.

This is just my opinion, i dont think nintendo would be that dumb to put someones alt costume as a diferent character...

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

We should drop the Smash 4 talk.

 

[Solbliminal]

Look. Apparently something among this jumbled mess of crap there was misinformation. We each have opinions, so lets just agree to disagree. Drop this topic and lets move on like Edge has been saying

My apologies for the pointless arguments. I'll take blame.

 

[PlateProp]

It's not there when I look at it, still. I've heard it only shows like that on mobile. I've got something else relating to it I'm going to post very soon.
View attachment 18169

Weird, but whatever.

 

[ZeruSlayer]

That is completely different. Sheik is a standalone character with a completely different moveset not even comparable to Zelda. So far visually, Lucina is hard to tell from Marth in terms of gameplay.

I don't know if you realized this but you just reemphasized my point. The reason I corrected Shin was because Lucina is in fact a standalone character because of a different moveset, even if it is similar to Marth's but with different properties (ex Falco and Fox). I assumed since Lucina (in a sense) is Marth, that's why he used the word "alt" which is what I had a problem with. This is why I used Zelda and Shiek who are the same character in terms of lore but have different movesets.

You're the one seeing things on a one track mind. I just told you 3 times in a row I was trying to prevent you from having a ridiculous argument against someone who likely gives no ****s about your views. What kind of person are you to think I don't have a level of respect when I do that sort of thing? If anything I didn't want to see you waste your time stooping to someone else's level out of respect for you as a person. You're just too bull headed to understand when I'm trying to help you out. But by all means. Waste your intelligence on arguing with the monkey who didn't even acknowledge you.

If that is what you said before then I would have no problem with it. But the problem I had was 2 things:

1. You said I attacked him when I didn't (And from my end it could be misinterpreted as attacking so I stated and gave reasons that I wasn't attacking yet you continued to say otherwise not giving any new form of reasoning forcing me to give more reasoning which you continued to ignore (if that isn't one track mindedness and bull headedness, I don't know what is)).

2. You compared me to him. Which made me upset because that was not my intent and like I said before, when something doesn't make sense I question it. I saw that he was serious in his comment and it was directed towards me so I could have just, in your case, ignore it but that would say that his actions are justified and he would be more likely to do the same thing again to someone else. Which is why I don't understand why your solution was to ignore him.

If he doesn't acknowledge me that's his problem. If anything it proves that I'm right, which is never my intent when I question something. When I communicate with someone on this thread it is to understand their mindset it has nothing to do with me winning or losing an argument. The above 2 points made me look like a villain which is not the person I am. I make mistakes and I acknowledge them when someone's logic trumps mine or when I reevaluate my actions. The only way I can admit defeat is if I look at things from both sides...if anything I'm the opposite of one sided. I apologize for the animosity I have caused because after your insults I lost my composure so I hope there's no grudge between us.

 

[Exodo]

Yeah lets talk about who and why should take a spot on the 5 ones left:
Black Shadow/ Ganondorf: cuz we want a true ganon.
Zelgius(Black Knight): cuz i said it.
Isaac: cuz everyone said it.
Either Dark Samus Ridley or Majora: cuz why not.
Pichu or Slippy: cuz derp

 

[arcticfox8]

Who wants to talk about Shadridchudorf

 

[ChronoBound]

I'm very curious to see how Lucina differs from Marth. I still think its dumb they decided to bring in a Marth clone that is more similar to Marth, instead of simply bringing back Roy.

I think Robin was all that was needed to represent FE13.

 

[ZeruSlayer]

Yeah lets talk about who and why should take a spot on the 5 ones left:
Black Shadow/ Ganondorf: cuz we want a true ganon.
Zelgius(Black Knight): cuz i said it.
Isaac: cuz everyone said it.
Either Dark Samus Ridley or Mayora: cuz why not.
Pichu or Slippy: cuz derp

Who's Mayora?

 

[Cool Blue]

Who's Mayora?

You know what he means

 

[Exodo]

Who wants to talk about Shadridchudorf

How about: Blagangiusaacarkridjorachuppy?!?!

 

[JCOnyx]

I'll post one last thing about this Lucina Sm4sh confusion.

It's different on the mobile website from the regular one. The mobile website clearly shows her with a newcomer banner while the regular one does not. This could just be because they couldn't find a format to their liking for the regular website and quickly updated it with Lucina in a veteran box as a means of showing all 3 of the revealed characters on top. But if you click on the Lucina box and go to her page it clearly says newcomer.

My guess is that she's just a simple clone character with minor alterations to attacks and attributes. And you know what, I'm fine with that.

 

[ZeruSlayer]

You know what he means

Mayora --> Majora --> Majora's Mask --> Skull Kid?

 

[Solbliminal]

I don't know if you realized this but you just reemphasized my point. The reason I corrected Shin was because Lucina is in fact a standalone character because of a different moveset, even if it is similar to Marth's but with different properties (ex Falco and Fox). I assumed since Lucina (in a sense) is Marth, that's why he used the word "alt" which is what I had a problem with. This is why I used Zelda and Shiek who are the same character in terms of lore but have different movesets.

This topic can be wrote off as Lucina is a clone. I honestly wasn't denying it. I just said it wasn't confirmed. Lets drop this topic.

If that is what you said before then I would have no problem with it. But the problem I had was 2 things:

1. You said I attacked him when I didn't (And from my end it could be misinterpreted as attacking so I stated and gave reasons that I wasn't attacking yet you continued to say otherwise not giving any new form of reasoning forcing me to give more reasoning which you continued to ignore (if that isn't one track mindedness and bull headedness, I don't know what is)).

2. You compared me to him. Which made me upset because that was not my intent and like I said before, when something doesn't make sense I question it. I saw that he was serious in his comment and it was directed towards me so I could have just, in your case, ignore it but that would say that his actions are justified and he would be more likely to do the same thing again to someone else. Which is why I don't understand why your solution was to ignore him.

If he doesn't acknowledge me that's his problem. If anything it proves that I'm right, which is never my intent when I question something. When I communicate with someone on this thread it is to understand their mindset it has nothing to do with me winning or losing an argument. The above 2 points made me look like a villain which is not the person I am. I make mistakes and I acknowledge them when someone's logic trumps mine or when I reevaluate my actions. The only way I can admit defeat is if I look at things from both sides...if anything I'm the opposite of one sided. I apologize for the animosity I have caused because after your insults I lost my composure so I hope there's no grudge between us.

For the sake of moving on, don't worry about it. There is no grudge between me and you. Just try to talk to me with less words. I'm no twit, but it is harder to respond to 3 or 5 people at once, stacked upon the fact I'm socially active on Skype for my online friends and Facebook for my local friends. And that is before considering I've got things at home I need to do on and off.

 

[Exodo]

You know what he means

Mayora --> Majora --> Majora's Mask --> Skull Kid?

He knows what i mean!! Derp do i even grammar.. lemme fix that

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

Since I've been playing through his game, Isaac has a ton of potential. His smash attack could be based on his critical hit animation, and connecting with the hit produces a satisfying crackle sound.

He has access to Venus Djinni, which is fancy terms for "earth magic." Mother Gaia has a hole opening in the ground to have rocks shoot out of it vertically upwards, which can work as an anti-air special not unlike Ivysaur's vBrawl Bullet Seed attack. Isaac can also use lush vines in an attack called Growth when he uses a combination of Venus Djinni and other elemental Djinni, so the vines can be used as a tether or recovery special. Maybe it can be a tether that's unique among others in that, unless you're in the air, it comes out of the ground in front of Isaac rather than Isaac's hand, or something. While he uses a variety of weapons like swords, broadswords, axes, etc. I think just limiting it to a forward smash is ideal, like how Ness and Lucas' signature weapons are only featured in their f-smashes (yo-yos are usable by every party member in EarthBound so it's not really a "signature" weapon for Ness).

Spire is an attack that summons a stalactite of rock to fall on your opponent, which is something else to think about. I have this weird idea where it can be used in Isaac's pummel, but it's a single-hit pummel (the only one in the game, theoretically), instead of rapid / multiple hits like every other fighter. It'd be so strong on its own that it causes a ton of percent to go up, but you automatically let go of your opponent after doing one., meaning his throws shouldn't be chain-grabbable for the sake of balance.

Shin has actually beaten Golden Sun (I'm currently in the middle of Venus Lighthouse), so he can contribute more.

 

[Solbliminal]

I'll post one last thing about this Lucina Sm4sh confusion.

It's different on the mobile website from the regular one. The mobile website clearly shows her with a newcomer banner while the regular one does not. This could just be because they couldn't find a format to their liking for the regular website and quickly updated it with Lucina in a veteran box as a means of showing all 3 of the revealed characters on top. But if you click on the Lucina box and go to her page it clearly says newcomer.

My guess is that she's just a simple clone character with minor alterations to attacks and attributes. And you know what, I'm fine with that.

Something that sparked in my mind I want to mention before we slay this topic completely....

Lucas has no excuse of being ditched now. KTHXSAKURAI

 

[Exodo]

Since I've been playing through his game, Isaac has a ton of potential. His smash attack could be based on his critical hit animation, and connecting with the hit produces a satisfying crackle sound.

He has access to Venus Djinni, which is fancy terms for "earth magic." Mother Gaia has a hole opening in the ground to have rocks shoot out of it vertically upwards, which can work as an anti-air special not unlike Ivysaur's vBrawl Bullet Seed attack. Isaac can also use lush vines in an attack called Growth when he uses a combination of Venus Djinni and other elemental Djinni, so the vines can be used as a tether or recovery special. Maybe it can be a tether that's unique among others in that, unless you're in the air, it comes out of the ground in front of Isaac rather than Isaac's hand, or something. While he uses a variety of weapons like swords, broadswords, axes, etc. I think just limiting it to a forward smash is ideal, like how Ness and Lucas' signature weapons are only featured in their f-smashes (yo-yos are usable by every party member in EarthBound so it's not really a "signature" weapon for Ness).

Spire is an attack that summons a stalactite of rock to fall on your opponent, which is something else to think about. I have this weird idea where it can be used in Isaac's pummel, but it's a single-hit pummel (the only one in the game, theoretically), instead of rapid / multiple hits like every other fighter. It'd be so strong on its own that it causes a ton of percent to go up, but you automatically let go of your opponent after doing one., meaning his throws shouldn't be chain-grabbable for the sake of balance.

Shin has actually beaten Golden Sun (I'm currently in the middle of Venus Lighthouse), so he can contribute more.

Yeah and his neutral b can be a nerfed green palm thing he does as an assist trophy

It can be a chargeable move.. that would be pretty cool

 

[alex6309]

I'll post one last thing about this Lucina Sm4sh confusion.

It's different on the mobile website from the regular one. The mobile website clearly shows her with a newcomer banner while the regular one does not. This could just be because they couldn't find a format to their liking for the regular website and quickly updated it with Lucina in a veteran box as a means of showing all 3 of the revealed characters on top. But if you click on the Lucina box and go to her page it clearly says newcomer.

My guess is that she's just a simple clone character with minor alterations to attacks and attributes. And you know what, I'm fine with that.

I think it's because Lucina has nothing extra to facilitate the need for the huge boxes. Every other newcomer has had something with them on their box. All previous newcomers but Miis have artwork with them and Miis have 3 characters to show off at once. Lucina & Robin share the same artwork so it would be redundant linking the same art twice.

 

[ZeruSlayer]

Since I've been playing through his game, Isaac has a ton of potential. His smash attack could be based on his critical hit animation, and connecting with the hit produces a satisfying crackle sound.

He has access to Venus Djinni, which is fancy terms for "earth magic." Mother Gaia has a hole opening in the ground to have rocks shoot out of it vertically upwards, which can work as an anti-air special not unlike Ivysaur's vBrawl Bullet Seed attack. Isaac can also use lush vines in an attack called Growth when he uses a combination of Venus Djinni and other elemental Djinni, so the vines can be used as a tether or recovery special. Maybe it can be a tether that's unique among others in that, unless you're in the air, it comes out of the ground in front of Isaac rather than Isaac's hand, or something. While he uses a variety of weapons like swords, broadswords, axes, etc. I think just limiting it to a forward smash is ideal, like how Ness and Lucas' signature weapons are only featured in their f-smashes (yo-yos are usable by every party member in EarthBound so it's not really a "signature" weapon for Ness).

Spire is an attack that summons a stalactite of rock to fall on your opponent, which is something else to think about. I have this weird idea where it can be used in Isaac's pummel, but it's a single-hit pummel (the only one in the game, theoretically), instead of rapid / multiple hits like every other fighter. It'd be so strong on its own that it causes a ton of percent to go up, but you automatically let go of your opponent after doing one., meaning his throws shouldn't be chain-grabbable for the sake of balance.

Shin has actually beaten Golden Sun (I'm currently in the middle of Venus Lighthouse), so he can contribute more.

Out of curiosity is this the GBA version of Golden Sun you're referring to?

 

[Shin F.]

I agree we should get off of Smash 4, but just because I still have something to say regarding her, I'm going to link to the thread where they're debating it. I didn't make all these gifs just to not use them.

Anyone who wants to continue talking about Lucina, please do so there.

http://smashboards.com/threads/lucina-separate-character-or-costume.361091/page-4

Since I've been playing through his game, Isaac has a ton of potential. His smash attack could be based on his critical hit animation, and connecting with the hit produces a satisfying crackle sound.

He has access to Venus Djinni, which is fancy terms for "earth magic." Mother Gaia has a hole opening in the ground to have rocks shoot out of it vertically upwards, which can work as an anti-air special not unlike Ivysaur's vBrawl Bullet Seed attack. Isaac can also use lush vines in an attack called Growth when he uses a combination of Venus Djinni and other elemental Djinni, so the vines can be used as a tether or recovery special. Maybe it can be a tether that's unique among others in that, unless you're in the air, it comes out of the ground in front of Isaac rather than Isaac's hand, or something. While he uses a variety of weapons like swords, broadswords, axes, etc. I think just limiting it to a forward smash is ideal, like how Ness and Lucas' signature weapons are only featured in their f-smashes (yo-yos are usable by every party member in EarthBound so it's not really a "signature" weapon for Ness).

Spire is an attack that summons a stalactite of rock to fall on your opponent, which is something else to think about. I have this weird idea where it can be used in Isaac's pummel, but it's a single-hit pummel (the only one in the game, theoretically), instead of rapid / multiple hits like every other fighter. It'd be so strong on its own that it causes a ton of percent to go up, but you automatically let go of your opponent after doing one., meaning his throws shouldn't be chain-grabbable for the sake of balance.

Shin has actually beaten Golden Sun (I'm currently in the middle of Venus Lighthouse), so he can contribute more.

It's been a while since I've beaten it, but your ideas are pretty close to how I envision him. Actually, I think it could be cool if he used his "Catch" Psynergy as a grab and pummel, though.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

Yeah and his neutral b can be a nerfed green palm thing he does as an assist trophy

Eh, just because he has it as an assist trophy doesn't mean we should use it.

Move is just a push, not that exciting.

Also, even though I suggested using Growth as a tether grab, now that I think of it maybe Catch and Carry would be cooler, if more trollish. In Golden Sun, Catch is a giant hand that so far only catches Nut items (replenishes 200 HP) out of trees, but I can imagine it as a long-distance grab, too. Carry is when two hands come in to, well, carry something across the screen, and the animation could be used for the throws.

Out of curiosity is this the GBA version of Golden Sun you're referring to?

Yeah.