New Characters for Project M Discussion Thread (Voting Closed)

[UltimateWario]

RIDLEY IS DA NEW FINAL FIVE HE'S SO BIG THAT HE TOOK UP AWL UV DA SLAWTS

You gotta select which part of Ridley you wanna play; the rest of him just sits in the background while his head/arms/torso/feet/tail do the fighting, depending on which part you select.

 

[TheTuninator]

Any Advance Wars characters would definitely benefit from some goofier specials like unit summons. A commando moveset fits Sami fine, but silly specials capture the series' light-hearted nature well. Still, Sami could match Snake's moveset 1:1 and still feel in-character.

I'd agree that out of respect for the hard work of the PMBR the best thing to do would be to stop discussing the leak, whether or not it's real.

 

[Saito]

I have an idea

How about we just...you know...forget about the leak for a while?

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

Now let's get back to voting and talking about our own potential clone engine candidates again

Oh, goody.

Someone bring up Waluigi again.

 

[UltimateWario]

Oh, goody.

Someone bring up Waluigi again.

Wah.

 

[arcticfox8]

WAA PICHU PICHU DECLONE GANON WHEN'S RIDLEY isaac is cool i guess WAAAAA

There. The thread is back in order.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

BLACK WAHGANONCHU 4 SMUSH M

Yep, quality of posts back to normal

 

[arcticfox8]

WAA PICHU PICHU DECLONE GANON WHEN'S RIDLEY isaac is cool i guess WAAAAA

There. The thread is back in order.

You know, I feel like I've made a post like this before. Too lazy to look it up though. Reusing jokes isn't new to this thread either so lol.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

I wonder how people would react to Masked Man if he had double jump canceling like the other Mother brothers in combination with sword aerials. The_NZA came up with this idea and I think it's pretty sweet.

 

[Saito]

Yep, quality of posts back to normal

Let's break that then.

+1 to Pichu.

He has...

• An established moveset
• Sound effects
• Unique gimmick
• Untapped potential

He also has animations that the PMBR can draw a ton of inspiration from and like stated above; a lot of untapped potential that the PMBR could bring out in their own fashion.

>P-Pichu was just a joke character!

Doesn't mean he would have to be bad in this.

>Man, no one even liked Pichu!

Opinion =/= fact

>There are way better choices than Pichu!

Popularity wise, sure.
Gameplay wise though? That completely depends on how the metagame for each specific character develops.

>We have enough Pokemon! it's gonna end up being Project Pokemon at this rate!

I bet this would not be said nearly as much if Pichu was in and they were thinking about adding Mewtwo back.

>It's a waste of the PMBR's time!

You can't determine that. Only they can.

>Implying the PMBR could make me want to play as Pichu.

Not every character is for everyone. But whatever they do to the character is likely to spark new interest in them. I mean, look at all the new Roy mains as an example.

 

[UltimateWario]

Doo-wop.

Baaaaaa-ba-doooooo-wop.

 

[Saito]

Grammar error.

Post invalid.

The beautiful edit button.

And thanks for pointing that out.

 

[UltimateWario]

The beautiful edit button.

And thanks for pointing that out.

No prob, bob.

 

[HayabusaTaichou]

Let's break that then.

+1 to Pichu.

He has...

• An established moveset
• Sound effects
• Unique gimmick
• Untapped potential

He also has animations that the PMBR can draw a ton of inspiration from and like stated above; a lot of untapped potential that the PMBR could bring out in their own fashion.

>P-Pichu was just a joke character!

Doesn't mean he would have to be bad in this.

>Man, no one even liked Pichu!

Opinion =/= fact

>There are way better choices than Pichu!

Popularity wise, sure.
Gameplay wise though? That completely depends on how the metagame for each specific character develops.

>We have enough Pokemon! it's gonna end up being Project Pokemon at this rate!

I bet this would not be said nearly as much if Pichu was in and they were thinking about adding Mewtwo back.

>It's a waste of the PMBR's time!

You can't determine that. Only they can.

>Implying the PMBR could make me want to play as Pichu.

Not every character is for everyone. But whatever they do to the character is likely to spark new interest in them. I mean, look at all the new Roy mains as an example.

I cannot fathom why you would make this post. There's no joke, only insult and an instant argument bonfire. Pichu talk was banned for a fraction of the strife this has potential for.

Just, go to your room. Your mother and I are extremely disappointed in you.

 

[Saito]

I cannot fathom why you would make this post. There's no joke, only insult and an instant argument bonfire. Pichu talk was banned for a fraction of the strife this has potential for.

Just, go to your room. Your mother and I are extremely disappointed in you.

I can't tell if this is a joke or not.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

I'd like to repeat something of mine. If Pichu comes back, I want the Pokémon Trainer commanding him. Why? Because it would immediately quiet any outcries that "Pichu is just a weaker Pikachu, he's not supposed to recieve buffs to match him and all the other characters!"

In the games, wild Pokémon are canonically weaker than those raised by a trainer. Since all 7 Pokémon so far are wild (now that Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard are independent), and since Pichu's naturally very weak, he's gonna need help and recieving the strength and guidance from the Pokémon Trainer would not only be a great way to bring both of them back, but would also be a clever, canonical excuse for why such a terrible character is now kicking top tier threats around. He'll finally be on par with everyone else.

Obviously Pokémon Trainer would stay in the background like he did before, for those confused about his implementation.

 

[UltimateWario]

I'd like to repeat something of mine. If Pichu comes back, I want the Pokémon Trainer commanding him. Why? Because it would immediately quiet any outcries that "Pichu is just a weaker Pikachu, he's not supposed to recieve buffs to match him and all the other characters!"

In the games, wild Pokémon are canonically weaker than those raised by a trainer. Since all 7 Pokémon so far are wild (now that Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard are independent), and since Pichu's naturally very weak, he's gonna need help and recieving the strength and guidance from the Pokémon Trainer would not only be a great way to bring both of them back, but would also be a clever, canonical excuse for why such a terrible character is now kicking top tier threats like everyone else.

Obviously Pokémon Trainer would stay in the background like he did before, for those confused about his implementation.

They should call him "Pokemon Hacker".

 

[Soft Serve]

Or pichu and Trainer can be an IC clone, tag teaming everyone with dual poke-trainer action, and their final smash could put the opponent into a super-electric-red hat'd-double suplex hold of doom.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

They should call him "Pokemon Hacker".

Well, I dunno about THAT. Not that I can come up with anything better than "Pichu Trainer.

EDIT: or just, you know, keep it as "Pichu"

 

[UltimateWario]

Well, I dunno about THAT. Not that I can come up with anything better than "Pichu Trainer."

I wasn't being serious.

If they were to do so, I'm sure he'd still just be Pichu.

 

[Saito]

I just noticed this.
>2014
>Having this as your avatar
>Even considering using this as your avatar.

ISHYGDDT

Spoiler

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

Man, look at everyone down there. Usually it's just 8 people at the most. More people to become subject to the Pichu influence, then

 

[popsofctown]

The main reason I don't want to see Pichu is because of gameplay concerns. His gimmick makes him very swingy. If he gets enough buffs to be able to attack himself for 50 damage worth of missed attacks on evasive characters and still win the match, he will be blowing the less dodgy characters out of the water.

 

[TheTuninator]

I want Pichu's Skull Bash, but not necessarily the full character.

 

[Crixler]

I'd like to repeat something of mine. If Pichu comes back, I want the Pokémon Trainer commanding him. Why? Because it would immediately quiet any outcries that "Pichu is just a weaker Pikachu, he's not supposed to recieve buffs to match him and all the other characters!"

In the games, wild Pokémon are canonically weaker than those raised by a trainer. Since all 7 Pokémon so far are wild (now that Squirtle, Ivysaur, and Charizard are independent), and since Pichu's naturally very weak, he's gonna need help and recieving the strength and guidance from the Pokémon Trainer would not only be a great way to bring both of them back, but would also be a clever, canonical excuse for why such a terrible character is now kicking top tier threats around. He'll finally be on par with everyone else.

Obviously Pokémon Trainer would stay in the background like he did before, for those confused about his implementation.

I've always thought it'd be neat if all the Pokemon had different trainers in the background. I'd probably put Ivysaur with Red, Squirtle with Leaf(/Blue/Green), and Charizard with Blue(/Green/Gary). Pikachu could have Yellow. I'm not sure what trainer would go with Jigglypuff. Lucario would probably either have Riley, Korrina, or Sir Aaron, though I would prefer to avoid the anime. Mewtwo would have no trainer.

Though this would sort of conflict with your idea, unless Pichu has a better trainer than the others. Gold, perhaps? He beat Red, but he's not a clearly superior trainer, regardless.
Pichu's trainer should really probably just be Goomy.

Edit: That said, I'm not too big on the idea of Pichu, anyway.

 

[Banjodorf]

The fact that the leak hasn't been disconfirmed is interesting. I'm not gonna put any stock into it though, because the PMBR stressing the difficulties of unique characters, and then choosing what are likely at least 3 unique characters baffles my mind. That, and they've said before they might not even use all the slots.

Unless of course they changed their mind given how ****ing popular the idea was and/or they were incredibly bored. I dunno though.

Still, if this is the roster they chose, by some crazy possible...stuff, I'm perfectly OK with everything on it except for Knuckles, but even then, he's probably the best choice of any Sonic character.

And I'd totally ignore everything else just to play as Skull Kid anyway. So there's that.

Edit: Just to clarify, the leak said:

Lyn, Isaac, Skull Kid, Sami and Knuckles, right? That's pretty..bitchin'.

 

[PsionicSabreur]

I wonder how people would react to Masked Man if he had double jump canceling like the other Mother brothers in combination with sword aerials. The_NZA came up with this idea and I think it's pretty sweet.

Definitely something I could see being used in the rather hypothetical event of his inclusion.
I play a lot of Roy and Lucas, so I can't pretend to stand objectively for people as a whole, but I'd be extremely interested in seeing how a combination of the two styles would play out at highly competitive levels. As for my reaction upon release, I'd probably be doing the Wess dance.

 

[Ginge]

Or like, they all come on here and prove it wrong.

They could very well show us a WiP character not mentioned in the leak.

Something like, "Hey, *******s, that ****'s fake, here's Dark Samus, Saki, Ray, Waluigi, and Fifth Guy to prove it".

Oh man. I *LOVE* Fifth Guy. Can't wait to main him.

 

[Arteen]

I'd be down with the leaked roster if it were real. I can't say no to any roster with Isaac on it.

• Isaac: He's by far my most wanted character in Smash and he'd be a ton of fun to play. His psynergy might be tricky to get into the mod, but hopefully PMBR can handle it. Golden Sun deserves a spot.
• Sami: She'd be a great choice too, and she also has no chance at making it into SSB4. She's got potential as a Snake clone. Snake's got one of the most unique movesets in the game, but I'm not a fan of the character. It'd be great to have a unique moveset like that on a character I actually like. As far as Sami vs Andy goes, Andy is the face of the franchise, but Sami is a major character too. She's also got more clone potential, as she can easily draw from Snake. Having another female on the roster, especially one who isn't a) a princess; or b) wearing a skintight bodysuit; would be nice.
• Lyn: I didn't play her game, so I have no attachment to her character. I'm a bit worried that she'd end up playing too much like every other Fire Emblem character, but hopefully PMBR can make her unique. She probably won't be very hard to get into the game, either, since the PMBR already has experience with Roy. And like Sami, it'd be nice to have another strong female fighter.
• Knuckles: My general feeling is that the mod should stick to Nintendo characters, but I'd actually be pretty hyped for Knuckles. Tails has seniority over him, but Knuckles has much better moveset potential so he'd be a better choice for the mod. Obviously he'd be a clone of Sonic, but he's got his own unique tools as well. He's got gliding and punching and rock crushing and other moves to draw from. He's also hard as nails. It ain't hard to tell.
• Skull Kid: Meh. I never played his game and I don't know what he'd bring to the table. Personally I'd prefer Pichu or Dark Samus, but if Isaac's on the roster I hardly care who else makes it.

 

[JediLink]

He's also hard as nails. It ain't hard to tell.

This. And to anyone who might think that Knuckles would just be a pointless clone of Sonic and wouldn't bring anything new to the table, you've got to remember that there's one pretty significant difference.

Unlike Sonic, he doesn't chuckle.

Spoiler

He'd rather flex his muscles.

 

[Terotrous]

I'm totally fine with the leaked list. It only has one character I actually care about (Lyn), but you really can't say no to 5 new characters.

(My other two choices would have been Krystal and decloned Ganondorf).

 

[andalsoandy]

I think it was mostly out of respect. I meant the users here, by the way. I expect nothing akin to respect out of those mongoloids.

Makes sense.

 

[B.W.]

Sami would be cool if she just revolved around guns all over her moveset all day.

 

[The_NZA]

I wonder how people would react to Masked Man if he had double jump canceling like the other Mother brothers in combination with sword aerials. The_NZA came up with this idea and I think it's pretty sweet.

I mean, I think it would be cool on a human like Lynn. Nothing inherently says you have to be psychic to have a DJC (yoshi/peach). I think it would fit her pretty well, since do we really need another marth?

 

[B.W.]

Just because a character has a sword doesn't mean they're automatically Link/Marth/Ike.

A cloned character can have a highly edited moveset, just look at Mewtwo. Any character with a sword could be vastly different in many cases. Maybe Lyn would have a bunch of horizontal slash animations more similar to Ike's f-tilt or b-air, or Roy's b-air. That would make the hitboxes in more of a straight line in front of her unlike the rest of the swords users that have tons of slashes that basically create whole walls in front of them.

 

[dezeray112]

So what is the results so far?

 

[NWRL]

The best part about this leak is Pichunerd tears. Drown me in them, it feeds me.

 

[The_NZA]

Just because a character has a sword doesn't mean they're automatically Link/Marth/Ike.

A cloned character can have a highly edited moveset, just look at Mewtwo. Any character with a sword could be vastly different in many cases. Maybe Lyn would have a bunch of horizontal slash animations more similar to Ike's f-tilt or b-air, or Roy's b-air. That would make the hitboxes in more of a straight line in front of her unlike the rest of the swords users that have tons of slashes that basically create whole walls in front of them.

I meant more that I imagine Lyn's sword style to closely mirror marth's (quick and elegant) and I bet a DJC playstyle might be cool to play with (and kind of make sense with her agility and jumps. I mean, her crit hit as a lord basically implies a ton of aerial manueverability).

 

[Burnsy]

I wonder how people would react to Masked Man if he had double jump canceling like the other Mother brothers in combination with sword aerials. The_NZA came up with this idea and I think it's pretty sweet.

That sounds like it has the potential to be really broken. Mite be cool i guess.

 

[Thane of Blue Flames]

I meant more that I imagine Lyn's sword style to closely mirror marth's (quick and elegant) and I bet a DJC playstyle might be cool to play with (and kind of make sense with her agility and jumps. I mean, her crit hit as a lord basically implies a ton of aerial manueverability).

Most people see their life flash before their eyes before they die.

Those killed by Lyn just see her sheathing her sword, all the while wondering when she'd drawn it.