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New Characters for Project M Discussion Thread (Voting Closed)

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Sonicthesneak

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Or like, they all come on here and prove it wrong.

They could very well show us a WiP character not mentioned in the leak.

Something like, "Hey, *******s, that ****'s fake, here's Dark Samus, Saki, Ray, Waluigi, and Fifth Guy to prove it".
That would shut it down, but I don't even think that the PMBR have those stones. That would be the most decisive end to a false rumor ever. I don't think that's ever been blatantly done before.

Leaker: Hohohoho! I have secret info on X game! Here it is!
Developer: Actually no. No you don't. Not only do we deny what you said is true. Here is concrete evidence to show you what we are doing. Thank you and good night.
Leaker: ... ... ...

Yeah. I don't think that's ever happened before. I don't see it happening now. For legitimate reasons too. People would just make stuff up and start phishing for information.
 

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To be honest, though, if they seriously came out and said this was fake, I think I'd believe them.

I don't think they will, but if they did, I would. They'd really have no reason to bold-faced lie to us when the truth will come out whenever.
 

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True, but this leak has escalated to an extreme that no other leak can compare to. Until someone from the PM:BR posts here saying that it was fake, I'll take it that the leak is true.
 

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I hope the Sami leak is real! She'd make an awesome Advance Wars rep.

COs do fight in Advance Wars, it's just not a game mechanic like it is in Fire Emblem. In one mission of Dual Strike, Lash and Hawke are in an APC and a Rocket truck and orange star has to rescue them. Dual strike also feature Hawke killing Lord Von Bolt with his CO power, iirc. Grit, Sami, and Jess are carrying weapons on their person all the time so that they could assist.

EDIT: Lol, why would Sami summon tanks, she's an infantry specialist!!! And is, herself, and infantry unit. Her tanks deal less damage, it would not make sense to put tanks in her moveset. An airstrike due to her friendship with the aerial specialist Eagle would make some sense, maybe
down b, spawns infantry. Forward spawns tank, up b spawns jet that if held, she grabs onto and rides. Think MvC2 Jilll Valentine.
 

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To think that this thread was "dead" less than a day ago.

For the love of all the hype that could have been, I hope that this leak is fake.
 

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You and me both, pal.
I'm naively curious.

Why?

I think they hit 3 out of 5 perfectly: Lyn, Issac and Sami. Skull Kid is okay and only Knuckles is questionable/bad. And I really think he's a placeholder for Little Mac if Little Mac is de-confirmed for Smash 4.

And if it's Pichu you want, by all means take out Knux for the little guy. :p Though I really wish Pichu got the Dr. Mario treatment, though I know why he can't. (Same reason why Toon Link doesn't have a Young Link alt model.)
 

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down b, spawns infantry. Forward spawns tank, up b spawns jet that if held, she grabs onto and rides. Think MvC2 Jilll Valentine.
Yeah, We'd probably want Neutral B to be something more practical however, rather than making all B moves spawn an uncontrollable entity. Perhaps keep Snake's Grenade?

How would the Entities work anyway. If Dedede's Minion Toss can be switched to the Monsters from Subspace Emissary, could those be a quick and easy way to get a target seeking AI. Alternatively, I suppose it could also be a slow moving projectile with its own effects.

Final Smash wise, would it be better to call in a different CO for a signature power, or would it make more sense Having her simply send out a large army all at once.
 

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I'm naively curious.

Why?

I think they hit 3 out of 5 perfectly: Lyn, Issac and Sami. Skull Kid is okay and only Knuckles is questionable/bad. And I really think he's a placeholder for Little Mac if Little Mac is de-confirmed for Smash 4.

And if it's Pichu you want, by all means take out Knux for the little guy. :p Though I really wish Pichu got the Dr. Mario treatment, though I know why he can't. (Same reason why Toon Link doesn't have a Young Link alt model.)
Think of it this way. If all the characters were revealed individually and as a surprise with hype-ass trailers, the levels of excitement would be too much to handle. Whereas this leak, if proved true, would be very anticlimactic to all the wait/anticipation people have had up to this point.
 

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I'm naively curious.

Why?

I think they hit 3 out of 5 perfectly: Lyn, Issac and Sami. Skull Kid is okay and only Knuckles is questionable/bad. And I really think he's a placeholder for Little Mac if Little Mac is de-confirmed for Smash 4.
What Empyrean said.

Also, Fire Emblem gets two new characters and Metroid gets none.

Also Knuckles.

Also because I'm a salty mother****.
 

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Is there no clone spot left for Ridley if all these characters are true? Also, you guys are on crack if you don't like Knuckles. He's literally the best sonic character. I personally grew up with him. I mean, I would take Ridley over Knuckles if we can't get another character, but it would be awesome (and not annoying) to get a stronger slower sonic.
 

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down b, spawns infantry. Forward spawns tank, up b spawns jet that if held, she grabs onto and rides. Think MvC2 Jilll Valentine.
Have you played Advance Wars? Tanks are Sami's weakness. Why would it be one of her moves? A bazooka is fine, her mech units do extra damage with bazookas.
 

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Have you played Advance Wars? Tanks are Sami's weakness. Why would it be one of her moves? A bazooka is fine, her mech units do extra damage with bazookas.
She can still build them right? Maybe thats the balancing mechanic. A spawned tank moves across the stage faster than an infantry but is less powerful. EDIT: Regardless, that to me is as irrelevant as Ivysaur not taking extra damage from Charizard. Charizard never learning seismic toss in the game naturally, except through TM or move tutor. And if TM's are an acceptable category for "normal" but Sami using tanks isn't (even though she can build them just as much as any advanced wars reps) then you might as well tell me right now that you wouldn't have a canonical problem if they gave squirtle Rock tomb or rest in the next demo (since squirtle can learn those TMs).


And for the record, I have beaten on hard mode, Advanced Wars 1, 2, and DS.
 
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@ Empyrean, Oh no. I totally understand THAT. The wasted press because of the leaks. That is totally valid. But I mean at the end of the day, it would have happened. I rather have leaks for Smash 4 than Project M. P:M doesn't need leaks to get my support. Smash 4 sort of does.


@ UltimateWario, LOL! You thought Issac was Fire Emblem? Nope. His own franchise. :) Also, I think Knuckles is sort of silly and would prefer Ridley/Dark Samus over Knuckles. But Ridley maybe held back because of his Smash 4 chances and I guess Dark Samus isn't interesting enough? I think the only real reason Ridley isn't a shoe in is because Smash 4.

But yeah, those are valid reasons. Especially the fact that they were leaked. But I like knowing ahead of time. I'm the kind of guy where spoilers do not deter me from seeing something. Sure, tell me the ending of that movie. I care more about the journey to that end.
 

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APC for fast, weak unit.

Mech for strong, slow unit.

/argument

LOL! You thought Issac was Fire Emblem? Nope. His own franchise..
-even slower, even more blatant facepalm-

I'm fully aware of who Isaac is. I've beaten all three Golden Sun games. The first two are probably my favorite GBA games.

I'm referring to Roy and Lyn as the two new FE characters.
 
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APC for fast, weak unit.

Mech for strong, slow unit.

/argument



-even slower, even more blatant facepalm-

I'm fully aware of who Isaac is. I've beaten all three Golden Sun games. The first two are probably my favorite GBA games.
Seriously, what is with all the ***holes in this topic? This man obviously knows what he's talking about as well. This must be the cesspool where all mean spirited PMers chill.
 

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APC for fast, weak unit.

Mech for strong, slow unit.

/argument



-even slower, even more blatant facepalm-

I'm fully aware of who Isaac is. I've beaten all three Golden Sun games. The first two are probably my favorite GBA games.
Don't worry mate, it's cool. Back in the Original Smash Bros days, I though Ness was Mario's son. He could throw fire, had a red cap and could jump higher then Mario and Luigi. Also, N is after M in the alphabet. :D
 

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LOL! You thought Issac was Fire Emblem? Nope. His own franchise. :) Also, I think Knuckles is sort of silly and would prefer Ridley/Dark Samus over Knuckles. But Ridley maybe held back because of his Smash 4 chances and I guess Dark Samus isn't interesting enough? I think the only real reason Ridley isn't a shoe in is because Smash 4.
How is it that people seem to forget that Roy, despite how natural he feels, is also a Clone Engine character? When he says there are two FE characters, THAT'S who he's talking about (along with Lyn).
 

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How is it that people seem to forget that Roy, despite how natural he feels, is also a Clone Engine character? When he says there are two FE characters, THAT'S who he's talking about (along with Lyn).
I didn't see it that way from that post. I thought he was talking about the last five spots. I know that is what I was talking about considering the current topic at hand. At the end of the day out of the 7 spots as a whole, you'd be right on that.

But I don't see most people having a problem with Lyn taking one of the FINAL 5 spots because she's placing so high on the polling in this thread and in other spots. The top wanted 3 is Ridley, Issac and Lyn. It makes sense for those 3 to get in because of that and not take too much heat as a result.

Though, as I said before: I'm talking about the final 5 spots. I'd assume that others were too unless specified. But it's not worth throwing around e-fisticuffs over.
 

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Don't get me wrong, Knuckles is a great character in the Sonic franchise. Even now. (He's been downgraded sure, but not cringe worthy.)

But for the idea of a Smash fan game where the game is about reps for Nintendo franchises and the like... Knuckles should probably be a bit lower on the totem pole. As a Sonic fan, I'm slightly okay with it (I like Tails more.) As a Smash Bros fan... I find it questionable but acceptable... like Rosalina. I see why it happened but I could see other people being more interesting. But Knuckles isn't a horrible rage-inducing choice for me. But I can see why some people would be upset with other options on the table like Ridley and Pichu.
 

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Do we have any solid, decisive proof like pictures, models, or links to the build, that these leaks are legit?
The Sami model was confirmed to be real and made by a guy who used to be in the PMBR. It's on a public portfolio website somewhere. No word on whether she's/it's actually part of PM.

Also I saw a convincing ZZSamus alt., but I'm not going to post it.
 

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The Sami model was confirmed to be real and made by a guy who used to be in the PMBR. It's on a public portfolio website somewhere. No word on whether she's/it's actually part of PM.
how do you know this? do you have any links to back up your claim? I tried reading the v thread but a lot was deleted.
 

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how do you know this? do you have any links to back up your claim? I tried reading the v thread but a lot was deleted.
I think Warchamp7 posted the link to the guy's blog somewhere. It has the same turnaround gif and a couple of other pictures.
 

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Supposedly they're from DemonBoy, who was recently accepted to the P:MBR.
But DemonBoy wasn't even let into the back room in the first place. I would definitely treat this "leak" just like any other rumor.
 

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I really wish they'd come on here and do some ****ing damage control.

We need some damn answers. At this rate, whether the leak is true or not, there's going to be a lot of fires to put out.
 

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First off, you are being kind of a jerk. Obviously I meant days of ruin and simply put in a typo. In Days of ruin, you assign the CO to a unit and it is implied the CO is in that unit's "squad". Regardless, within the game the CO acts as your avatar and it is also implied that they are commanding the army alongside you. For Sami to direct infantry/tank/aircrafts would be analogous to what she is doing in the games (regardless of whether she IS or ISN'T on the battlefield).
Let me start by saying that it wasn't my intention to come off as so abrasive. For some reason I was frustrated while typing my post. I don't want to backpedal on any of my points, but I do want to apologize for my tone. Second, I should also state that I've only played Dual Strike (a friend gave it to me and I had never heard of the series before), and despite loving the game I never actually beat it because I'm really bad at it. And it's been a long, long time since I played it. Anyways the point I'm trying to make is that I didn't know the COs were ever actually on the battlefield. However, since that is true, I would prefer that she summon units the same size as her rather than the assist trophy style. Although I realize that would be a great deal more work.

Furthermore, if you are arguing that creative liberties are being used if we were to make Sami command troops, well, I'd argue that some creative liberties are obviously better than others. If we were to give Charizard a lazer, that would be a worse creative liberty (out of the fact that its totally unrelated to the franchise) than if we gave Mario a coin up b. And just like making Olimar the size of Squirtle is a creative liberty we will permit, having little army infantry, tanks, and air planes might be a creative liberty that stands in the realm of possibility in game design.
Actually Charizard can learn Hyper Beam with a TM... lol. But I know that's not your point, I'm just being silly.

Having never played a Pikmin game and knowing almost nothing about the series, I don't know how big Olimar is supposed to be. But from what little I've seen, he's still of the same relative scale to the Pikmin who walk with him. I see where you're coming from but the idea still doesn't appeal to me.

In my opinion, " translating [marth/ike/roy's] combat style from a turn-based, limited interface to that of an action game" by using hte source material for inspiration is a lot like having infantries/tanks/aircrafts conjured in front of Sami, for the purpose of her directing/controlling them.
I don't agree with this. The counterattack is something the FE guys can actually do. To me, the idea of Sami conjuring miniature soldiers is more like if Marth had to stop after each attack and wait for all of his opponents to make a move: something that only makes sense considering the interface of the game he came from. I know that isn't a very good example though.

By comparison, I labeled your example of the creative liberties taken with starfox/cfalcon as "bad" because there is obviously no alternative for those characters EXCEPT to take massive creative liberties. I mean, how the **** else could fox/cfalcon exist without being in their ships. And clearly, there isn't an overtly obvious way to put them on the stage in an arwing/racing ship without it being a game play/design nightmare.
My point, though, is that Smash created full-fledged movesets for them that have nothing to do with racing/dogfighting (not even callbacks), and they are great characters. I feel that this is viable for Sami.

Alternatively, I'm providing a feasible, logical, and fun way to play Sami with the "stage control" you want while making legitimate references to her games (that by and large involve her commanding troops--NOT fighting with rocket launchers and whatever generic war themed items that are typically associated with a "snake clone").
I'm not sure what you mean by "stage control", actually. What I want is a character who would fight like a military officer likely would if she were on the battlefield instead of commanding troops.
 

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But DemonBoy wasn't even let into the back room in the first place. I would definitely treat this "leak" just like any other rumor.
Are you completely and totally certain of that? Because he was a good modeler and I believe he said he was going to apply. Besides, if it was someone just trying to frame him or something, wouldn't he have spoken up about it?
 
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