New Characters for Project M Discussion Thread (Voting Closed)

[PsionicSabreur]

I wouldn't be surprised if all 5 of those characters were indeed being worked on by individuals in the BR. I would be a little surprised though, if they turned out to be a set-in-stone pick at this stage. I do recall Warchamp saying in an AMA that they were just trying things out with clone characters to see what works, so it isn't exactly shocking that they have, in fact, been working on things, which is all the evidence might serve to prove in this case.

He said he did it because he wanted to be sure he wouldn't be tempted to come back Brawl Modding, so he wanted to go out with an act that caused everyone to hate him, or something like that.

Pretty sure he'll be hated regardless of how truthful he's being right now.

 

[Promestein]

Based on how my backup has been downloaded 53 times, I'm guessing most people in this thread have seen it already. Just in case, for those who haven't...

Personally, I feel more hyped because of this leak. No more avoiding the site out of fear of seeing Pichu.
Not sure how Knuckles could be cloned from Sonic though. Unlike Sonic, he don't chuckle. He'd rather flex his muscles.

 

[Mansta]

Yeah, I'm actually more hyped for the next version because of this.

 

[NWRL]

Skull Kid huh? That's ****in boss.

 

[Hinata]

I may not know who Sami really is (I've never played the game(s) she's from), but this list gets me all sorts of hyped, man. I'm prepared for Isaac.

 

[TheTuninator]

A summoning playstyle wouldn't exactly be a good callback to Advance Wars... since when do the COs summon tanks that don't even go up to their ankles? Pretty sure that's not how the battles are fought, so it wouldn't have "relevance to her games". If we wanted her to play like she does in AW, then something like Pokemon Trainer would be more fitting. Seeing as Sami never does any fighting herself, she just commands her soldiers.

Having a character like Sami in Smash is an imagining of how they would act in close combat against other combatants, not a mirror of how their games play. See Captain Falcon and the Star Fox characters.

AW COs don't fight in the sense that they aren't specific units, but the in-game dialogue suggests that they are on the battlefield fighting alongside their troops.

An AW character would need at least some goofy moves to represent the series accurately. AW is about war and takes the subject seriously, but the series also loves its comedy. Ideally, an AW character would have specials that are unit summons or Powers, things of that nature, but missiles, grenades and such fit Sami uniquely well given her character design and background.

 

[Comeback Kid]

Not sure how Knuckles could be cloned from Sonic though. Unlike Sonic, he don't chuckle. He'd rather flex his muscles.

Sonic 3 and K would like a word with you:

I know it's a game song lyric your quoting, but it never made any sense and must be called out whenever used as a meme.

 

[Promestein]

An AW character would need at least some goofy moves to represent the series accurately. AW is about war and takes the subject seriously, but the series also loves its comedy. Ideally, an AW character would have specials that are unit summons or Powers, things of that nature, but missiles, grenades and such fit Sami uniquely well given her character design and background.

In a sense, it's the opposite of Fire Emblem. Fire Emblem is medieval fantasy and treats everything with the deadest of seriousness. Advance Wars involves tons of war and they treat it like it's shaking hands.

I know it's a game song lyric your quoting, but it never made any sense and must be called out whenever used as a meme.

I ain't gonna let it get to me, I'm just gonna creep.

 

[TheTuninator]

AW somewhat unfairly has a reputation for making a joke out of war. Any character who does not approach war with the utmost seriousness and respect for life (Andy, Sonja, Lash) will be berated by the others about the need to approach war with the proper attitude. The series' humor lies in interactions between its rather silly characters as well as charming sprites, rather than an overall atmosphere dismissive of war.

Still, overall it's a light-hearted series, to be sure.

 

[Bleck]

 

[AnOkayDM]

Awkward Zombie always needs more love.

 

[Saito]

>2014
>Believing these leaks
>Not wanting Pichu

Peons, the lot of you!

 

[Mansta]

Sonic 3 and K would like a word with you.

Knuckles had yellow socks in that game. (I know it's because of palette reasons don't kill me)

 

[TheTuninator]

I do love Awkward Zombie, and that comic is one of my favorites, but it definitely isn't an accurate portrayal of how the series handles the subject of war.

>2014
>Believing these leaks
>Not wanting Pichu

Peons, the lot of you!

I don't want Pichu so much as Pichu's Skull Bash.

 

[Empyrean]

I go away for a few hours and this place turns into a Smash 4 thread? Shame on you people!

 

[Anti Guy]

Wait who/where are these leaks from?

 

[AnOkayDM]

Supposedly they're from DemonBoy, who was recently accepted to the P:MBR.

 

[Promestein]

Wait who/where are these leaks from?

DemonBoy, on /v/. Refer to the link I provided a bit ago, I made a backup of the second and more important thread on /v/. Should get you up to speed.

 

[Hinata]

Guys, I have the Skype of one of the PMBR. They told me that this leak...

Is indeed made of words.

 

[Ninka_kiwi]

1-VOTE
-Saki (most wanted character due to how awesome and varied his moveset can be)
-Issac (Golden sun needs representation, and I fear he won't have a very good chance in Sm4sh)
-Lyn (A Safe bet for a popular character that will not be in Sm4sh)
-Sami (Even if Andy get into Sm4sh somehow, using Sami would be a good way to get around that problem)
-Sukapon (Another safe bet, could look really cool in Smash.)


1/2 VOTE:
-Andy
-Dark Samus
-Ridley
-K.rool
-Toad

DOWN-VOTE:
-Tails
-Shadow
-Knuckles

Honestly, I should really get around to writing a Saki moveset for those that have not played Sin and Punishment, could see how he'd play, as a fast sword wielder with a chargeable Fox Laser sounds perfect to me.

Welp 3 out of 5 ain't bad on my part, too bad my favorite character didn't get chosen but whatever.

 

[NWRL]

>2014
>Believing these leaks
>Not wanting Pichu

Peons, the lot of you!

>2014
>not purple texting in honor of Skull Kid

 

[andalsoandy]

So some guy wanted to take a piss on all the hard work the Backroom has done...just because?

**** that guy, seriously.

This.

Way to ruin all the hype that could have been.

(Complete and utter hypocrisy because I love Smash 4 leaks, but that's different.)

 

[UltimateWario]

Well, my hype for Project M's future is now destroyed.

Now watch Ridley get deconfirmed for Smash 4. All of my hopes and dreams down the draaaaaain. At least the latter will save me about 60 bucks.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

Alright, so if this leak is real, we still don't know how set in stone these 5 characters are. So, who personally would you keep or drop? I'm fine with all of them except maybe Knuckles. I'd replace him with Ridley. I don't dislike Sami or Lyn, but I'd personally replace them, too, with Ganon / Black Shadow and Toad (because bias plz don't kill me). I'm completely okay with Isaac and Skull Kid though.

 

[Sonicthesneak]

So we're not trying to hide the "possible" Final 5 are we? Well I want to get in a final post in before it's too late.

Lyn - I'm glad she got in. I like sword users. She's a cool character in FE and she won't play like Marth, Roy or Ike. Plus I like that she'll get love here... because I don't trust Smash 4 to represent the FE franchise too well. Can't wait to see her model though.

Issac - Another great choice. I have no words to describe how happy I am that he made it in. (Again, supposedly.)

Sami - Very good choice. I didn't even care about Advance Wars, but after seeing her model I'm interested to see how she plays and maybe emulate some of the Advance Wars games for the GBA... that is the right system, right? Also I would play her even as a Snake clone and I don't even LIKE Snake. So I say go for it. But to those who would want her to summon tanks and what not, remember the game limitations. PMBR does have confinements to stick with within the game. Maybe they can disassemble the Advance Wars trophy and add that to her moveset, but besides that... adding new projectiles and stuff is something I've heard is hard to do if it is even possible. I hope she gets in. I like that model. <3

Skull Kid - Interesting choice. I did not see him coming. But considering there is so much potiental with him (for all the potiental in other characters NOT used like Ganondorf not having a sword or all the weapons/items the two Link's don't use) I think he will be fine. What if he got Ganondorf's moveset and Ganondorf got a sword based moveset. Not likely but it is an option. Okay. Not likely at all. But I have no idea what they will do with him.

Knuckles - If every iteration of Smash must have a WTF character... Knuckles fits it best for Project M. He must have made it in as a safe choice over Little Mac. I doubt it has much to do with Sonic's franchise as Tails would be more likely then Knuckles. Even as a Sonic fan... Knuckles getting in seems strange. But I bet that his bone structure (if it's not a clone of Sonic) could be used for Little Mac if he was eliminated as a choice from Smash 4.

As for the obvious Ridley snuff, it must be because they're expecting him to be in Smash 4. (I'm not actually.) But if all that work was wasted and Ridley did make it in... that would suck so I don't blame them for having to ignore him. Either way, I'm still looking forward to this more than Smash 4. :D So thank you PMBR.

One can only pray that one day... in the not to distant distant future that the Clone Engine can be adapted to work with Brawl. Maybe if Smash 4 doesn't reach expectations... that we could get more characters? Hell, let's turn Brawl's base into the next "Mugen Engine". Now I wouldn't consider Project M to do that last part exactly but the inspiration is there.

 

[popsofctown]

I hope the Sami leak is real! She'd make an awesome Advance Wars rep.

COs do fight in Advance Wars, it's just not a game mechanic like it is in Fire Emblem. In one mission of Dual Strike, Lash and Hawke are in an APC and a Rocket truck and orange star has to rescue them. Dual strike also feature Hawke killing Lord Von Bolt with his CO power, iirc. Grit, Sami, and Jess are carrying weapons on their person all the time so that they could assist.

EDIT: Lol, why would Sami summon tanks, she's an infantry specialist!!! And is, herself, and infantry unit. Her tanks deal less damage, it would not make sense to put tanks in her moveset. An airstrike due to her friendship with the aerial specialist Eagle would make some sense, maybe

 

[Hinata]

I do have a PMBR member on Skype, though, since they're a part of my Smash Podcast, and they confirmed to me and all the other members of my podcast that this leak is fake. None of the models or anything you see on that leak were made by them.

 

[Promestein]

I think the five supposed characters are downright groovy. Lyn is a little odd, being that the GBA Fire Emblems already are represented, but they all make sense.

I do have a PMBR member on Skype, though, since they're a part of my Smash Podcast, and they confirmed to me and all the other members of my podcast that this leak is fake. None of the models or anything you see on that leak were made by them.

Interesting, I've heard the opposite. When asked, one of the PMBR members said the leak was real, but things were subject to change.

 

[UltimateWario]

I do have a PMBR member on Skype, though, since they're a part of my Smash Podcast, and they confirmed to me and all the other members of my podcast that this leak is fake. None of the models or anything you see on that leak were made by them.

The only reason I have to believe that is that the Power Suit Samus alt. looked like ****, though it could've very well been a work in progress.

 

[NWRL]

I do have a PMBR member on Skype, though, since they're a part of my Smash Podcast, and they confirmed to me and all the other members of my podcast that this leak is fake. None of the models or anything you see on that leak were made by them.

My best friend is Sakurai and he says the leak is real.

 

[Sonicthesneak]

I do have a PMBR member on Skype, though, since they're a part of my Smash Podcast, and they confirmed to me and all the other members of my podcast that this leak is fake. None of the models or anything you see on that leak were made by them.

I mean... if it were true, they'd never admit to it, right? So... yeah even with that said. Though I applaud you for trying to find out the truth, we won't know until we eventually see someone show up in Project M.

 

[UltimateWario]

I mean... if it were true, they'd never admit to it, right? So... yeah even with that said. Though I applaud you for trying to find out the truth, we won't know until we eventually see someone show up in Project M.

Or like, they all come on here and prove it wrong.

They could very well show us a WiP character not mentioned in the leak.

Something like, "Hey, assholes, that ****'s fake, here's Dark Samus, Saki, Ray, Waluigi, and Fifth Guy to prove it".

 

[Hinata]

I think the five supposed characters are downright groovy. Lyn is a little odd, being that the GBA Fire Emblems already are represented, but they all make sense.


Interesting, I've heard the opposite. When asked, one of the PMBR members said the leak was real, but things were subject to change.

Hmm. I didn't hear that. I'm just going off what this guy said, cuz I know he's the real deal. Have his Skype, and talked to him on voice chat an' everything.

 

[TheKk-47]

Why don't we just discuss their movesets now that this might be confirmed.

 

[Giygacoal]

Hmm. I didn't hear that. I'm just going off what this guy said, cuz I know he's the real deal. Have his Skype, and talked to him on voice chat an' everything.

We'll just have to wait for stuff to come out then.

 

[Pkjoan]

Can somebody please explain what's going on?
Where are people seeing Sami as a Snake clone or Knuckles as a Sonic + Mario?

 

[UltimateWario]

Where are people seeing Sami as a Snake clone or Knuckles as a Sonic + Mario?

That's generally how Sami was discussed. One way or another, she will likely be cloned from Snake. Whether or not she retains his traits is another story.

The Sonic + Mario = Knuckles thing was a joke.

 

[Saito]

>People losing hope over some leaks that may or may not be true.

 

[UltimateWario]

The only thing disgusting about this picture is that man's facial expression.

 

[The_NZA]

Well, Portrait of Ruin is a Castlevania game that has nothing to do with Advance Wars... so I have no idea what you're talking about. Unless you meant Days of Ruin, in which case I still don't know what you're talking about. I haven't played that one, but as I understand it the gameplay is still the same, and the COs do not appear on the battlefield. And the COs were "real characters" in the previous games as well, filling the same role: commanding their soldiers. When I say that Sami didn't do any fighting herself, I mean just that: at no point did she pick up a rifle, step onto the battlefield, and start firing at a group of infantry (which I imagine ought to be the same size as her).

The FE counter thing is a bad example. It's the same ability in Smash as it is in FE, even if you aren't triggering it. Being able to counter, do sword slashes, critical attcks, etc. are just examples of translating his combat style from a turn-based, limited interface to that of an action game.



Not really. She doesn't do either of those things in her game. On the other hand, no one's saying that she'll use grenades or landmines. Being a clone of Snake doesn't mean she'll have his exact moveset.

I don't understand how my examples were bad examples. Is it just because you don't like them? This is the exact same situation we're dealing with in Sami's case. How about this: "Sami maybe isn't a good example because it is literally unfeasible to have a massive army in the game as anything but a final smash."
Anyways, in all three cases, we are creating a completely new moveset for a character that fits them, because what they do in their original games is absolutely incompatible with Smash gameplay.

First off, you are being kind of a jerk. Obviously I meant days of ruin and simply put in a typo. In Days of ruin, you assign the CO to a unit and it is implied the CO is in that unit's "squad". Regardless, within the game the CO acts as your avatar and it is also implied that they are commanding the army alongside you. For Sami to direct infantry/tank/aircrafts would be analogous to what she is doing in the games (regardless of whether she IS or ISN'T on the battlefield).

Furthermore, if you are arguing that creative liberties are being used if we were to make Sami command troops, well, I'd argue that some creative liberties are obviously better than others. If we were to give Charizard a lazer, that would be a worse creative liberty (out of the fact that its totally unrelated to the franchise) than if we gave Mario a coin up b. And just like making Olimar the size of Squirtle is a creative liberty we will permit, having little army infantry, tanks, and air planes might be a creative liberty that stands in the realm of possibility in game design.

In my opinion, " translating [marth/ike/roy's] combat style from a turn-based, limited interface to that of an action game" by using hte source material for inspiration is a lot like having infantries/tanks/aircrafts conjured in front of Sami, for the purpose of her directing/controlling them.

By comparison, I labeled your example of the creative liberties taken with starfox/cfalcon as "bad" because there is obviously no alternative for those characters EXCEPT to take massive creative liberties. I mean, how the **** else could fox/cfalcon exist without being in their ships. And clearly, there isn't an overtly obvious way to put them on the stage in an arwing/racing ship without it being a game play/design nightmare.

Alternatively, I'm providing a feasible, logical, and fun way to play Sami with the "stage control" you want while making legitimate references to her games (that by and large involve her commanding troops--NOT fighting with rocket launchers and whatever generic war themed items that are typically associated with a "snake clone").

Regardless, you don't need to be so damn rude.