New Characters for Project M Discussion Thread (Voting Closed)

[SOJ]

Are you completely and totally certain of that? Because he was a good modeler and I believe he said he was going to apply. Besides, if it was someone just trying to frame him or something, wouldn't he have spoken up about it?

Yes he applied. Yes we had his application in the Back Room and were voting on it. No we did not accept him.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

As long as the character offers up a few new ways to play the game, I am good. Hope the leak is real for Sami's sake, would love Isaac and Skull Kid, actually like Knuckles and i do Like Lyn.

I personally feel that while it may be odd Sonic gets another character, Knuckles seems to fit the bill of a pseudo clone the best. We don't have a boxer in Project M, so Knuckles could fill that role. As long as he can glide, and Pumpkin Hill's theme is added to the game for his trailer, I am good.

 

[Saito]

Yes he applied. Yes we had his application in the Back Room and were voting on it. No we did not accept him.

You should go get your PMBR ribbon.

It would add a lot of weight to your words ;_;

 

[Promestein]

Yes he applied. Yes we had his application in the Back Room and were voting on it. No we did not accept him.

How curious... I wonder how he got banned on the Smash Mods forums, then. As I understand, he was quite reputable.

how do you know this? do you have any links to back up your claim? I tried reading the v thread but a lot was deleted.

And here it is.

 

[UltimateWario]

How curious... I wonder how he got banned on the Smash Mods forums, then. As I understand, he was quite reputable.

To be fair, even if this is all a hoax, you can see how we reacted to it. Utter pandemonium. Not only that, but the dude's a **** for doing anything like this to begin with, real or not.

If you shoot at the president, even if you miss, you're going to get the **** kicked out of you.

 

[Generically Epic]

As long as the character offers up a few new ways to play the game, I am good. Hope the leak is real for Sami's sake, would love Isaac and Skull Kid, actually like Knuckles and i do Like Lyn.

I personally feel that while it may be odd Sonic gets another character, Knuckles seems to fit the bill of a pseudo clone the best. We don't have a boxer in Project M, so Knuckles could fill that role. As long as he can glide, and Pumpkin Hill's theme is added to the game for his trailer, I am good.

I honestly like the idea of a knuckles. I think the game play would be like comparing captain falcon to ganondarf (but more luigified). Instead of having a combo spin dash, it's a slow kill move. He could glide with b forward. His B up could be a spring that could spike the opponent, or it could jut be a flaming uppercut. Make him a aerial fighter that is super powerful but slooooow.

 

[Generically Epic]

How curious... I wonder how he got banned on the Smash Mods forums, then. As I understand, he was quite reputable.



And here it is.

that confirms a model of one character, not any of the others.

 

[Promestein]

that confirms a model of one character, not any of the others.

I was demonstrating that the Sami model came from a portfolio.
It's actually completely unrelated to the leaks though, as you may have noticed from the /v/ thread. The OP was just using it to try to troll people, but then an actual leak occurred, namely, the Google Docs.

 

[Generically Epic]

I was demonstrating that the Sami model came from a portfolio.
It's actually completely unrelated to the leaks though, as you may have noticed from the /v/ thread. The OP was just using it to try to troll people, but then an actual leak occurred, namely, the Google Docs.

what docs?

 

[andalsoandy]

I was demonstrating that the Sami model came from a portfolio.
It's actually completely unrelated to the leaks though, as you may have noticed from the /v/ thread. The OP was just using it to try to troll people, but then an actual leak occurred, namely, the Google Docs.

pls

 

[Saito]

pls

Deleted links.

 

[andalsoandy]

Deleted links.

._.

What was said in the Docs? Just the names?

 

[UltimateWario]

Apparently an absolute **** ton of stuff.

Enough to tell what the characters were and how they would play. Being the usual asstards that frequent 4chan, they were of course ******** about everything from here to the moon, and one of them mentioned how Skull Kid has no moveset potential, then some guy started pointing out stuff about how he played from the docs.

Would assume there was something in there.

As a side note, good God 4chan is ********. Like, YouTube/Miiverse-tier ********.

 

[Promestein]

what docs?

There were three separate Google Docs listed in the first thread. I only saved the second, much to my own dismay.
I still have the URLs to each, actually, but one does not exist, and the other two just say Access Denied. However, for a time, people were able to get in and see the files, and that's where these Fatal Five come from.

There was also a WIP Skull Kid moveset, but nobody thought to save any of these files.

 

[andalsoandy]

Apparently an absolute **** ton of stuff.

Enough to tell what the characters were and how they would play.

AND NO ONE COPY PASTED IT?

Crazy...

 

[Shin F.]

There were three separate Google Docs listed in the first thread. I only saved the second, much to my own dismay.
I still have the URLs to each, actually, but one does not exist, and the other two just say Access Denied. However, for a time, people were able to get in and see the files, and that's where these Fatal Five come from.

There was also a WIP Skull Kid moveset, but nobody thought to save any of these files.

Fatal Five - a fitting name, really.

 

[UltimateWario]

AND NO ONE COPY PASTED IT?

Crazy...

I think it was mostly out of respect. I meant the users here, by the way. I expect nothing akin to respect out of those mongoloids.

 

[Generically Epic]

There were three separate Google Docs listed in the first thread. I only saved the second, much to my own dismay.
I still have the URLs to each, actually, but one does not exist, and the other two just say Access Denied. However, for a time, people were able to get in and see the files, and that's where these Fatal Five come from.

There was also a WIP Skull Kid moveset, but nobody thought to save any of these files.

I want theeeem..... >:o

 

[Sonicthesneak]

Fatal Five - a fitting name, really.

I've been saying "Final Five" but Fatal could work too... if you consider them a death sentence. Also my term was coined first.

Not that, that counts for squat. :D

 

[Saito]

nobody thought to save any of these files.

And that's why it sounds ridiculous.

People who have their internet shield.
People who were using 4CHAN
THE SAME PEOPLE THAT CALL EVERYONE A ****** OR AUTISTIC FOR LITERALLY ANYTHING; DID NOT SAVE LEAKS FOR A GAME THAT THEY LIKE.

It sounds extremely improbable.

 

[popsofctown]

She can still build them right? Maybe thats the balancing mechanic. A spawned tank moves across the stage faster than an infantry but is less powerful. EDIT: Regardless, that to me is as irrelevant as Ivysaur not taking extra damage from Charizard. Charizard never learning seismic toss in the game naturally, except through TM or move tutor. And if TM's are an acceptable category for "normal" but Sami using tanks isn't (even though she can build them just as much as any advanced wars reps) then you might as well tell me right now that you wouldn't have a canonical problem if they gave squirtle Rock tomb or rest in the next demo (since squirtle can learn those TMs).


And for the record, I have beaten on hard mode, Advanced Wars 1, 2, and DS.

I wouldn't have a problem with Squirtle getting Rock tomb. He absolutely can learn that TM, and he will use it just as effectively as a Mankey will.
Rest is already part of Jiggs' moveset, so that's the reason you don't want it on Squirtle, aside from the there's nothing wrong with it being on Squirtle. I wouldn't be very upset if Squirtle got rest, really..

Technically Sami can't build tanks just as much as any advanced wars rep, Colin can build more
Just because Sami can, doesn't mean she should though. In competitive advance wars the game is heavily geared towards use of infantry and artillery units. Sami is somewhere between mid and high tier, iirc, because her infantry units are good, and they synergize with her artillery (her artillery does as much damage as any other CO's. Her tanks do less damage than normal CO tanks). And when you elect to use Sami in War Room and Campaign, you generally pick her for situations that call for little to no tanks.

I get that tanks are sort of a flagship for the series, but it would really bug me if she came out and half of her moveset was focused on the 18% of all unit types in the game that she is the worst at using. Excuse the hyperbole, but it'd be like releasing Charizard with half his moveset based on Hidden Power (water). Yes, technically, that is something that can be done, but you celebrate a character's strengths, not its weaknesses.

 

[Promestein]

Fatal Five - a fitting name, really.

Haha. I just like making up names to refer to them as. It gets tiring just saying "these five characters" all the time.

I think it was mostly out of respect.

While a lot of /v/irgins actually did seem annoyed at the leaker, I think nobody saved them simply because they didn't seem extremely genuine at the time. It was just three Google Docs in a post, nothing else. /v/ has generally been pretty skeptical about leaks ever since that DmC Vergil Raptor debacle.

I want theeeem..... >:o

It's basically completely useless. I just tried them again, to make sure I had the right URLs, and the same results ensued.

 

[Empyrean]

Yo Backroom, I can see you watching the thread, any clarifications you could offer?

 

[The_NZA]

My point, though, is that Smash created full-fledged movesets for them that have nothing to do with racing/dogfighting (not even callbacks), and they are great characters. I feel that this is viable for Sami.



I'm not sure what you mean by "stage control", actually. What I want is a character who would fight like a military officer likely would if she were on the battlefield instead of commanding troops.

Sakurai made those decisions for Captain falcon and Falco/Fox because there is literally NOTHING else he could conceive of for them. Which makes sense--They are never really seen outside of their ships until later games. But technically, for the starfox crew, Sakurai actually did think about their games. He figured the lasers of the arwings could be transferrable to the games in the form of a laser gun (and since that whole franchise is a giant starwars nod, it makes sense that the characters received a blaster). Secondly, in every Smash game, Fox and Falco have been heavily focused on using their feet in their attacks (with the exception of Falco in Brawl, which is very "wings" focused). Sakurai's reason for this is most likely rooted in the "prosthetic metal feet" interpretation of the Starfox game (google that if you don't know about it), hence why their moves involve literally smashing you with metal boots/feet. These are callbacks.

Sami has a playstyle that can be a direct call out to her games, and it doesn't even need to be too obscure. By contrast, I would be disappointed if she simply fights like a "military officer fights on the battlefield" because we already have a special agent in this game who uses military grade weaponry. Then again, I am game for Sami's smash attacks coming from that lore (or even one of her specials) but I think a lot of her specials should hearken to the unit aspect of her games, while her game plan should hearken to the strategy aspect of her game. By strategy, I refer to stage control characters, which are basically focused on controlling sections of hte map, whether it is through dins fire, or mortar, or grenade, or mine, or c4. In Sami's case, I hope it means spawning these guys who control segments of the stage in their own way.

That, to me., would feel most like advanced wars

 

[Mansta]

Like I said, it's still 4chan, not a credible source for anything.

EDIT: Holy **** that's a lot of people watching this thread.

 

[Promestein]

Like I said, it's still 4chan, not a credible source for anything.

The wrestling chicken from Pokemon X and Y, the final forms of the starters, and the pre-release script to Mass Effect 3 were all posted on 4chan in advance, though.

 

[UltimateWario]

DID NOT SAVE LEAKS FOR A GAME THAT THEY LIKE.

This would require 4chan to like something besides Asian child porn (animated or otherwise).

Impossible.

Seriously, look at literally any thread about anything. All of them are so angry about everything that they can't bring themselves to like a single thing.

 

[Saito]

EDIT: Holy **** that's a lot of people watching this thread.

>MFW Strong Bad and Sethlon is watching this thread.

I don't know how I should feel about that or if I should interpret anything from that.

This would require 4chan to like something besides Asian child porn (animated or otherwise).

Impossible.

Seriously, look at literally any thread about anything. All of them are so angry about everything that they can't bring themselves to like a single thing.

>4chan doesn't like anything

Kek.

 

[Shin F.]

>MFW Strong Bad and Sethlon is watching this thread.

I don't know how I should feel about that or if I should interpret anything from that.

>4chan is one person

Kek.

Nanobuds is here, too. Hmm, I'm actually surprised there aren't more people watching it. Right now as I'm typing this there's 34, which is actually kinda tame compared to the 100+ that the SSB4 thread got when Palutena leaked.

 

[UltimateWario]

>4chan is one person

While none of them seem to be able to agree on a single goddamn thing, they are quite nearly universal in their hatred. When it's not directed toward the subject, it's directed toward each other. I've seen a few good men out there, fighting the good fight and, in general, being good people, but it's super rare.

They are not one person, no. But one look at that thread (or anything on the site, really) tells you pretty much everything you need to know about their general views on most everything. When the overall demeanor of a community becomes hatred and anger instead of optimism or patience, that's when I begin to write them off.

 

[Promestein]

Seriously, look at literally any thread about anything. All of them are so angry about everything that they can't bring themselves to like a single thing.

Not entirely true.
/v/ usually likes Dark Souls, Aile from Mega Man ZX, Steven Armstrong, Dragon Ball Z, boys who look like girls, and complaining that every video game ever made is ****.

 

[Steelia]

Is there no clone spot left for Ridley if all these characters are true? Also, you guys are on crack if you don't like Knuckles. He's literally the best sonic character. I personally grew up with him. I mean, I would take Ridley over Knuckles if we can't get another character, but it would be awesome (and not annoying) to get a stronger slower sonic.

Knuckles is great. Grew up with his comics as a kid, played him like crazy in Sonic 3/Sonic & Knuckles, was one of the only reasons I was even remotely interested in the future titles like Sonic Heroes even. And I'd still take Pichu over him in Project M.

 

[Mansta]

How can the leak be real if our eyes aren't real?

 

[UltimateWario]

How can the leak be real if our eyes aren't real?

-head explodes-

I love this thread and I want to personally kiss all of your faces

Me first.

 

[arcticfox8]

I love this thread and I want to personally kiss all of your faces

Falco for PM

 

[Mansta]

SamiIsReal2401.

 

[TheTuninator]

And that's why it sounds ridiculous.

People who have their internet shield.
People who were using 4CHAN
THE SAME PEOPLE THAT CALL EVERYONE A ****** OR AUTISTIC FOR LITERALLY ANYTHING; DID NOT SAVE LEAKS FOR A GAME THAT THEY LIKE.

It sounds extremely improbable.

People "leak" Smash "secrets" on 4chan 4 or 5 times a day. You get used to it.

 

[Promestein]

How can the leak be real if our eyes aren't real?

Wait a minute, that post...

I love this thread and I want to personally kiss all of your faces

<3

Falco for PM

Nevermind.


Anyways... The best reaction for the PMBR would likely be to not publicly confirm or deny the leak. If they confirm it, Pichu fans (among others) will be unhappy. If they deny it, Skull Kid fans (among others) would be unhappy. As it is, though, it's basically just a rumor, no matter how legitimate it seems.

 

[SOJ]

I'm just saying...as far as I KNOW, he applied and I saw his application in the Back Room. It was being voted on and it sat there for a while. I'm not exactly sure what happened to it. I never saw him log in to the IRC chat or post in the forums. He might have been let in, but as far as I know...he didn't show his face.

And yes, a lot of things have "leaked" to 4chan in the past for Project M. I would personally never trust any of them. They're not a reliable source for official Project M information.

 

[EdgeTheLucas]

I have an idea

How about we just...you know...forget about the leak for a while? Credible or not, we're all just getting needlessly intense over it.

Okay, I want everyone in this thread to take a deep breath and relax...

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...there, there. Feel better?

Now let's get back to voting and talking about our own potential clone engine candidates again