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Best Ness Outfit?

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Labernash

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Reckless4Christ said:
Technically, Christians and Jews believe in the same God so both go to Heaven.
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Jews don't believe that Jesus' death washed away sin. Christians believe that you have to believe in Jesus to be saved. So from my beliefs, you only go to heaven if you believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross to save you from your sins and that He rose again. Yes we believe in the same God, but not God the Son, who is Christ Jesus. Jew as a race, that's one thing, but the people who believe the Jewish beliefs as a religion, that's different.

Anyways, no, according to my belief, people of Jewish beliefs don't go to heaven, and to Jewish beliefs, I don't go to heaven.

I won't mind MK in the next one. I'm waiting for the BEST character to be discovered, then I'm maining that character lololol
 
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Nido said:
But Ness does extremely well against top tiers compared to others surrounding him tier wise as well such as MK which is -1, Diddy which could be argued for 0, Olimar and Pikachu which are 0, I personally consider Falco only a -1 past the chaingrab and Ness mains should have a 'don't get grabbed' mindset as second nature but Lucas has an easy time regardless, Snake being a semi-hard MU for both but I think Ness does quite better than Lucas with his followups and then there's Marth... I prefer not to talk about that.

So Ness does better in the common Snake and Olimar MUs and significantly better against the ever present MK.

This is all my opinion, agree or disagree with what you will.
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Wow, never thought of diddy as a possible 0 before. Falco's a -2 though. I was talking with Yink about it and watching a few videos recently, it made sense why Lucas has an easier time in this MU.

I know Ness has to watch out for falco's CG more because offstage is a bad position to be in after that, especially if you have no 2nd jump. But there's more stuff to it.. I just uhh, can't remember what and the like. :p

I'd have to play it more to remember. :p

Lucas also has his benefits and his MUs are highly against him, in many cases unfairly.

Reckless4Christ said:
MK is -2, no arguing with it.
GR=-1+recovery=-2
Diddy could be even though cuz nair wrecks his barrels lol
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MK is a -1 dude. You can't just simplify it to that. We are one of the few characters that make it at least somewhat difficult for him to get in and do stuff. And if you're a top Ness, off-stage isn't entirely hopeless either.

It's... complex but it's a -1. For sure. ^_^

Labernash said:
EDIT: HI MOB!!!!



Darwin said on towards the end of his life that someone would need just as much faith to believe in his theories than they would God. :)



I hope very dearly that 44,000 is a random number you whipped out to exaggerate who goes to heaven and who doesn't, not something you were taught as fact. If not, what weird version of Christianity is over in Australia?! We need to do some work over there!



Well, the Bible states clearly that Jesus is the only way to go to heaven. Saved by Grace through Faith. It is our belief that, if you don't have that faith, you won't be saved. But only Catholics think that unless you are part of THE CATHOLIC CHURCH, you won't be saved.



That's really awesome, I didn't know you were Jewish! :D What do you mean by "progressive?" I don't know a lot about current Judaism. But, it does sadden me to hear that you've learned Christianity says people are "meant for hell." Nobody is meant for hell, we're all meant for God. We just deserve hell because of our sin. But that's we're Jesus comes in! :)
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Ah, I checked and it's the 144 000, 12 000 from each tribe of Israel, but apparently they're not the only ones meant to be saved, so eh. :p

But in answer to your question, progressive Judaism is basically where you look at the Torah and interpret what it means to you personally. Then follow that. It's actually really interesting: At our services, some will stand for some prayers, some will sit, others will touch fingers to their forehead or whisper or sing or whatnot... it sounds pretty dis-organized and unruly but it actually works.

I do really love it. ^_^

Labernash said:
Jews don't believe that Jesus' death washed away sin. Christians believe that you have to believe in Jesus to be saved. So from my beliefs, you only go to heaven if you believe that Jesus Christ died on the cross to save you from your sins and that He rose again. Yes we believe in the same God, but not God the Son, who is Christ Jesus. Jew as a race, that's one thing, but the people who believe the Jewish beliefs as a religion, that's different.

Anyways, no, according to my belief, people of Jewish beliefs don't go to heaven, and to Jewish beliefs, I don't go to heaven.
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Actually that's not true at all :p

Being Jewish doesn't grant you access in to some special 'heaven' which only you are allowed into, etc. All it means is that we're 'god's special people', which basically means we follow a bunch of rules to be close to god. We don't REALLY have heaven or hell, nor do we believe that anyone is 'damned' or 'saved' from it.

@Tikao: Or we could just make PK Flash do what it did in EB and vaporize opponents. :3
 
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Luco said:
Ah, I checked and it's the 144 000, 12 000 from each tribe of Israel, but apparently they're not the only ones meant to be saved, so eh. :p
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Oh, well thing is, Christianity doesn't mean I'm a tribe from Israel. Those are Jews, which is kinda what I was trying to say in my second post, but I'll elaborate there. Anyways, I've heard that before, but I don't remember what it applies to or what. But that's definitely not the only people going to heaven. What was the source you checked so I can study?

But in answer to your question, progressive Judaism is basically where you look at the Torah and interpret what it means to you personally. Then follow that. It's actually really interesting: At our services, some will stand for some prayers, some will sit, others will touch fingers to their forehead or whisper or sing or whatnot... it sounds pretty dis-organized and unruly but it actually works.

I do really love it. ^_^
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Huh, that's really interesting! Thanks! But what do you mean by it "actually works?"



Actually that's not true at all :p

Being Jewish doesn't grant you access in to some special 'heaven' which only you are allowed into, etc. All it means is that we're 'god's special people', which basically means we follow a bunch of rules to be close to god. We don't REALLY have heaven or hell, nor do we believe that anyone is 'damned' or 'saved' from it.
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The Tribes of Israel are God's chosen people. Those are Jews, as a race (which are probably born into a family that is Jewish the religion and raised in the religion). Then, there are (as the Bible would call them) Gentiles. These are the people who are not directly from Israel. My bloodline traces back to like Ireland or something; I'm a Gentile.

Christ died for the Jews AND the Gentiles, which means everybody. The reason that the people who believe in Judaism are different from Christians is that the Jews don't believe that The Messiah has actually come yet. That's why you only read the Torah, which I would call The Old Testament. I also read the New Testament.

Anyways, all I was trying to say there was, that there could be, as an example, a Jewish Atheist. Jews and Jews are different, sounds funny but yeah haha! You being Australian, you're a Gentile (Unless like your parents moved there from Israel, which I do not know, so I assume; also I don't know what your beliefs make that).

I didn't say there was a special heaven for Jews, though. It's the same heaven, same God. But I am interested in what you said. You don't "REALLY" believe in a heaven or hell. What do you mean there? If you want, we can move this into an inbox so as to not frustrate the lovely Nesses, but it's whatevs you wanna do.
 
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Sorry for the double post...

PK flash would be terrible. I think it should stun (simarily to MewTwo in Melee) and when it's fully charged, it kills like it does. It'd be a more accurate representation. Maybe more control, something inbetween Din's Fire and PK Thunder.
 
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I asked Luco a question and then other conversations continued before he answered. Just ignore it if it is bothering you...

I would like to point out one thing though... Like why is Shaky's Ness better than FOW's Ness?
 
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Well I was just saying it usually ends badly.. Also I don't think fow even plays ness anymore also shaky has next gen PKT tactics, although I've never watched fow
 
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Yep, FOW's still at it with Ness...
But, although it will upset you people, I no longer do Ness on wifi because of a certain Falco last night... @.@
 
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Labernash said:
Oh, well thing is, Christianity doesn't mean I'm a tribe from Israel. Those are Jews, which is kinda what I was trying to say in my second post, but I'll elaborate there. Anyways, I've heard that before, but I don't remember what it applies to or what. But that's definitely not the only people going to heaven. What was the source you checked so I can study?



Huh, that's really interesting! Thanks! But what do you mean by it "actually works?"





The Tribes of Israel are God's chosen people. Those are Jews, as a race (which are probably born into a family that is Jewish the religion and raised in the religion). Then, there are (as the Bible would call them) Gentiles. These are the people who are not directly from Israel. My bloodline traces back to like Ireland or something; I'm a Gentile.

Christ died for the Jews AND the Gentiles, which means everybody. The reason that the people who believe in Judaism are different from Christians is that the Jews don't believe that The Messiah has actually come yet. That's why you only read the Torah, which I would call The Old Testament. I also read the New Testament.

Anyways, all I was trying to say there was, that there could be, as an example, a Jewish Atheist. Jews and Jews are different, sounds funny but yeah haha! You being Australian, you're a Gentile (Unless like your parents moved there from Israel, which I do not know, so I assume; also I don't know what your beliefs make that).

I didn't say there was a special heaven for Jews, though. It's the same heaven, same God. But I am interested in what you said. You don't "REALLY" believe in a heaven or hell. What do you mean there? If you want, we can move this into an inbox so as to not frustrate the lovely Nesses, but it's whatevs you wanna do.
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So just to respond, the 'source' was pretty bad (like answer.com or whatever those things are) but I also got it from a friend of mine who's rather knowledgeable about religion in general (she does studies of religion so this isn't a surprise :p). I dunno exactly, you'd probably be able to search for it better than I (seeing as you're presumably christian and would know how to look for it :p) =D

By 'actually works', I just mean, it's still a really orderly and nice feeling, even though people are following a lot of their own traditions. It's hard to explain but I just mean it still feels like a religious service, just with a slightly (and not so much that it harms the effect) looser schedule. Well, not even schedule but how people can react to said schedule. :p

I think I can see what you're saying about religious jews and athiest jews but you could almost just say it's like the difference between a Jew and an Israelite. Israelite lives in Israel and yes, many are Jewish, but some aren't, etc.

Lastly, the heaven/hell thing is convoluted in our religion. The basic run down is that we believe that by way of you following mitzvot (effectively good deeds according to the Torah, such as eating Kosher - so not eating pork or mixing meat with milk as the well known ones, etc. - or celebrating Shabbat and so on), you'll become closer to god. We don't believe in a 'heaven', we just believe that you'll be in contact with god more.

By the same device, we don't believe in a 'hell' either. We believe the worst thing is to have god not in your life (aka doing NO mitzvot ever, that kind of thing) or after death. I suppose that COULD be considered a kind of hell but not really because, by our tradition, if you're not Jewish then what does it matter to you if you're not close to our god? It's also not really limited to Jews either and the Torah, if you look closely, actually points to the fact that there are multiple gods but we're following the one Abraham chose (I can pull up a good example of this if you want but you can also discuss it with others there if you prefer). That means, we might be close to our god and hey, who knows, you could be close to your god as well. ^_^

That last part is how I view it but most of the paragraph at least is reasonably accepted to my knowledge, at least in the progressive Jewish community.

So, I hope that answers your question! I hope I didn't make you more confused or anything Lab! D:
 
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Luco said:
So just to respond, the 'source' was pretty bad (like answer.com or whatever those things are) but I also got it from a friend of mine who's rather knowledgeable about religion in general (she does studies of religion so this isn't a surprise :p). I dunno exactly, you'd probably be able to search for it better than I (seeing as you're presumably christian and would know how to look for it :p) =D

By 'actually works', I just mean, it's still a really orderly and nice feeling, even though people are following a lot of their own traditions. It's hard to explain but I just mean it still feels like a religious service, just with a slightly (and not so much that it harms the effect) looser schedule. Well, not even schedule but how people can react to said schedule. :p

I think I can see what you're saying about religious jews and athiest jews but you could almost just say it's like the difference between a Jew and an Israelite. Israelite lives in Israel and yes, many are Jewish, but some aren't, etc.

Lastly, the heaven/hell thing is convoluted in our religion. The basic run down is that we believe that by way of you following mitzvot (effectively good deeds according to the Torah, such as eating Kosher - so not eating pork or mixing meat with milk as the well known ones, etc. - or celebrating Shabbat and so on), you'll become closer to god. We don't believe in a 'heaven', we just believe that you'll be in contact with god more.

By the same device, we don't believe in a 'hell' either. We believe the worst thing is to have god not in your life (aka doing NO mitzvot ever, that kind of thing) or after death. I suppose that COULD be considered a kind of hell but not really because, by our tradition, if you're not Jewish then what does it matter to you if you're not close to our god? It's also not really limited to Jews either and the Torah, if you look closely, actually points to the fact that there are multiple gods but we're following the one Abraham chose (I can pull up a good example of this if you want but you can also discuss it with others there if you prefer). That means, we might be close to our god and hey, who knows, you could be close to your god as well. ^_^

That last part is how I view it but most of the paragraph at least is reasonably accepted to my knowledge, at least in the progressive Jewish community.

So, I hope that answers your question! I hope I didn't make you more confused or anything Lab! D:
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Okay, I understand now! You answered the questions I had, thank you!

As for the Israelite and Jew thing, that was exactly my point. Calling an Israelite a Jew is pretty racist! You made more sense saying it than I did.

You have some interesting beliefs! I'm glad you like it and are rooted. It does break my heart to see you not share the same beliefs I do, but I respect you and your religion! :)

Thanks for sharing with me!! If I have anymore questions, I'll let you know!
 
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Oh that's right I remember why I think Lucas is a -1 toward Falco.

Lucas can gimp Falco a heck of a lot easier, i.e. get him below the stage, use tether, then TIME when he wants his invincibility frames going and KO him. Ness has a much more limited ability to ledge-guard Falco (i.e. if he is too quick to grab the ledge and his invincibility frames run out on the ledge, he has to let go, DJ, maybe JC with magnet so he can grab the ledge quicker.

By that time, Falco's probably have going to taken his window of opportunity, you know?
 
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Guys I got 3rd out of 16 in a mid tiers tourney today.

First round I lost to a guys link on SV but then then switched to ROB game 2&3 and destroyed him

Second round I beat a guy's Bowser in a close set ending with a win on Delfino via 3 water Dairs

Third round I lost to Jamwa because he plays Lucas and Lucas is ghey

Fourth round I won game 3 against a Sonic in a super tense last stock I

Fifth round I lost game 1 in a 1 stock to a Yoshi then I won g2 on Delfino 2 stocking him then 3 stocked him on BF

Then in loser's finals I got 2 stocked all three times by a DK and I SDed 5 times total :(

Didn't get to stay for the real bracket :(
 
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NICE Nido!!

I'm super impressed =D

Would you like your all char battle now btw? ^_^

Though, I may not be able to stay for the whole thing. If I suddenly disconnect, remember the characters we've used and then we can start off from where we left yep?

Oh btw guys, type 'lol limewire' into google and click i'm feeling lucky... and you get this:

http://cristgaming.com/pirate.swf
 
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Bloodcross is falco and MK I believe but I didn't get placed against them. I faced an IC who was better than me (I did decently against his diddy though) and then in the loser brackets I faced that snake and got owned
 
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