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Ness is out: Come and help those in denial...

Fawriel

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Wow, this moves fast.

As for the personality point: Personality-less characters receive their soul from their surroundings.
Mario's personality is funny, innocent, somewhat strange, sometimes ironic... although he rarely shows these traits himself.
Link's personality in Wind Waker is happy and bouncy, like the art style. While Link in Twilight Princess is calm, dreamy, but determined.

Now, Ness showed even fewer emotions in his game than Link and Mario did recently.
His personality is defined by Earthbound: he is brave, his world is quirky, strangely life-like and deep, and overall just really quirky. His only defining trait is courage, but the type of courage is defined by his surroundings.
Lucas is also part of the Mother series. His game is just as quirky. Only his story as well as his personality have more depth and drama added.
That can only be a plus as far as I can tell.
 
PsychoIncarnate

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...Does anyone know if Starmen.net has mentioned anything about Claus...?
 
dan smith

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Husky, I agree with you. I think it'll go on virtual console. I had this idea today, and I think it makes a lot of sense.
 
PolarisJunkie

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Oy. Now that Lucas is in, I do truly hope Ness makes it back.

And I must disagree saying Lucas is better than Ness. Ness was in a game that was so amazing and outlandishly different for its time, to have someone from that game appear again was truly remarkable. Seeing him leave after all this time would absoleutly reak. Nothing against Lucas, but I'd prefer Ness. I've played Ness' game. And if they want to release Mother 3, I'll totally play that. But I haven't. And since they are showing us that Lucas is in the game, why not just bring the game over in the first place? Japan only characters get me slightly aggitated.
 
raptorbaby10

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PolarisJunkie said:
Oy. Now that Lucas is in, I do truly hope Ness makes it back.

And I must disagree saying Lucas is better than Ness. Ness was in a game that was so amazing and outlandishly different for its time, to have someone from that game appear again was truly remarkable. Seeing him leave after all this time would absoleutly reak. Nothing against Lucas, but I'd prefer Ness. I've played Ness' game. And if they want to release Mother 3, I'll totally play that. But I haven't. And since they are showing us that Lucas is in the game, why not just bring the game over in the first place? Japan only characters get me slightly aggitated.
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You say it the best.
 
GimmeAnFSharp

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I have a feeling the reason Lucas wasn't playable at E for All (and the same goes for Zelda) is because they didn't want to reveal what the chances of Ness coming back are. If they had made Lucas playable, and he played exactly like Ness, it would've been answered right there. If not? Speculation up the wazoo. Zelda probably wasn't playable because they don't want to reveal Sheik's presence or not- whether she's even there or not. A lack of a Down+B transformation had Zelda been playable would've answered it.

I think this heightens his chances of returning; probably as a hidden character. Sakurai could've easily made Lucas playable, had his moves be Ness', and basically deconfirmed Ness right there. No biggy. If his moves WEREN'T the same, than he might've spoiled Ness' reappearance a little too soon...

Also, the fact he mentions Ness in a previous update with Lucas leads me to believe Ness is coming back. I've been skeptical for a while, but E For All has convinced me otherwise.
 
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" There are plenty of videos of the Brawl gameplay but check out the title screen:

Characters: Nintendo / HAL Laboratory, Inc. / Pokemon / Creatures Inc. / GAME FREAK inc / Shigesato Itoi / APE inc. / INTELLIGENT SYSTEMS / Konami Digital Entertainment Co., LTD / SEGA

Note that Snake is not playable in the demo but Konami is listed there.
Here's my point. Shigesato Itoi designed the characters for Mother 1, 2 and 3. Fine, his name is there and Creatures Inc. made Mother 3. But, note, also on the list is APE Inc.
APE Inc. is the company that created Mother 1 and Mother 2. They were renamed to Creatures Inc. before Mother 3. This is the copyright information for the playable characters. If Lucas replaces Ness, there'd be no reason for APE Inc to appear since Shigesato Itoi and Creatures Inc are the two copyright owners.
In conclusion, APE Inc. is there because a character from Mother 1 and/or Mother 2 is playable....NESS! "

Credits go to ShortFuse
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So, what do you think? I think this really increases his chances!!!^^
Also...notice it says "CHARACTERS", so saying that that could be there because of Mother 1+2's items and stages doesnt count, just wanted to make that clear :p.

Also http://www.mother-jp.net/times/20071013.html
screenshots from Lucas, nothing that looks like Ness's moveset, except for the Bair. Also, the screenshot that looks like PK Flash that also appeared in the 2007 Conference Trailer could be his Up Smash, because we see Lucas taking some shiny lightball and releasing it up into the blue hexagonic shine, which can be the shiny ball that appears in anyone while charging their Smash attacks.
It can be seen in screenshots ,as well in the demo videos, a small shiny ball is seen when someone charges a smash attack, which can mean that the attack that lucas did in the trailer is his Up Smash, which is why no hexagon is seen in the screenshot from the japanese site with the unseen Lucas screenshots, the attack wasnt charged, so making it weaker...what do you think? is that attack a special or a Up Smash? (I doubt is an Up Tilt, it takes to long to perform)
If it is indeed an Up Smash, then thats another move that Ness never had, increasing his chances, unless the hexagonic attack looks similar to a yo-yo lol!!
If not, it still different from Ness, but still a mystery
<_<...
>_>...
 
Bassoonist

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Brawlman said:
Good news for Ness fans! (Like me) Lucas seems COMPLETELY different that Ness!



BOOYAH!!! Take that people who say that Lucas has the same moveset as Ness!:grin:
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Um... no... that looks like one of Ness's A Smashs... Just with a snake instead of a yo yo.

Things aren't looking for so hot for Ness... :(
 
Bassoonist

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vesperview said:
WTF? You obviously haven't played Mother 3 if you say the Rope Snake is another Yoyo.
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Well, no duh. I can't read Japanese, so I can't import the game. How else would you expect me to play it? >_>

Tell me how it works.
 
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Andrew14j said:
Well, no duh. I can't read Japanese, so I can't import the game. How else would you expect me to play it? >_>

Tell me how it works.
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Well Duster gets it (one guy in your party), he has to cross a big gap so he uses the Snake to hold on to a lamp in the ceiling to cross it, it works more like Link's hookshot or Samus's grapple beam, it's most likely Lucas's grab.
 
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MinunQ

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Brawlman said:
Good news for Ness fans! (Like me) Lucas seems COMPLETELY different that Ness!



BOOYAH!!! Take that people who say that Lucas has the same moveset as Ness!:grin:
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Andrew14j said:
Um... no... that looks like one of Ness's A Smashs... Just with a snake instead of a yo yo.

Things aren't looking for so hot for Ness... :(
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Sorry to be rude (and for the sloppy quoting), but how does that picture look ANYTHING like Ness's yo-yo Smash? His position seems to be different.
 
Drik Khaail

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We won't be able to say if it is, until we get him playable. or, when Ness has been confirmed.
 
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MinunQ

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It would be very cool if Lucas could use his Rope Snake like Link uses his Hookshot.
 
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Andrew14j said:
Um... no... that looks like one of Ness's A Smashs... Just with a snake instead of a yo yo.

Things aren't looking for so hot for Ness... :(
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Nonsense!

...In anycase, it looks more likea replacement for Ness's Baseball Bat, but not in the same style.

Also, judging from what I've seen from screenshots in Mother 3, the way Duster uses his Rope Snake is nothing like how they'd use a Yo-yo in EarthBound
 
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