PrettyGoodYear
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I would kill the Queen of England so that Lucas could have the Magical Scepter... I would DIE if that were his weapon.
Of course, it was a rare drop item, but still, it would rock my socks off.
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Ness is out: Come and help those in denial...
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Of course, it was a rare drop item, but still, it would rock my socks off.
vesperview
Smash Hero
It's the most difficult item to get in the game... I spent hours killing the heavy heads trying to get it.
PrettyGoodYear
Smash Lord
I gave up the first time XD
I once got it... but I haven't had the patience in subsequent games...
Why are people even assuming Ness is out or replaced? None of the old unlockable characters have been confirmed yet, but everyone jumps on Ness as though hes been deconfirmed by having Lucas in. Last I checked, franchises can have more than one character in smash bros.
Tails for brawl
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this is what I mean we had ness in ssb and ssbm
why kick him out now i mean look what thay
did in ssbm mario had like 5 franchises
vesperview
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When you play Mother 3 and finish it, you lose a little support for Ness, I still want him back though.
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Well, actually, people aren't making huge assumptions like they typically do. On the Japanese Nintendo site Sakurai said that Ness would have been replaced by Lucas in Melee if Mother 3 had come out on the N64.
Now look at this... Lucas is confirmed and Ness isn't.
Drik Khaail
Smash Ace
compelling argument.
I can't imagine Smash Bros. without little Ness; well I can but it would be a little less nostalgic.
I think having him and Lucas in it together would make a great little duo, like Mario and Luigi, only psychic, not Italian and not plumbers...
I think having him and Lucas in it together would make a great little duo, like Mario and Luigi, only psychic, not Italian and not plumbers...
The difference between now and before melee came out is
1. Mother 3 was never released in the US
2. Ness has been in melee, he's one of the 12 original characters, and that deserves more respect than when melee was coming out
3. Quite a length of time
Also "Lucas is confirmed and Ness isnt" isnt the best argument. Mario is confirmed and Luigi isnt. Pikachu is confirmed and Jigglypuff isnt. As I said, to think only 1 Mother character can be in brawl is ridiculous.
PrettyGoodYear
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But logic says that Ness would have probably been confirmed BEFORE Lucas. Really, Mario before Luigi: makes sense. Jigglypuff after Pikachu: makes a hell of a lot of sense. Pokemon Trainer before Jigs: too, becasue Jigs is probably hidden again and PT is probably a starter.
The only way I could see Ness in the game is as an unlockable character... but I'm a firm believer of the "once a starter, always a starter" theory. It makes me really, really sad, but I believe his chances are low. Way low.
And for your three reasons...
1. I don't think Sakurai cares
2. You're coming up with an imaginary "respected position" that I don't believe exists.
3. So?
I'm holding out a little hope... but I'm getting ready to move on. Seriously, seeing Lucas on the site was such a mix of emotions, happiness, a lot of it, but it broke my heart too. *sigh*
And as has already been established, Sakurai's updates don't follow any particular reasoning. Seriously, these rules people keep trying to add to Sakurai's updates are pointless.
PrettyGoodYear
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Mario before Bowser and Peach, Link before Zelda, Kirby (way) before Metaknight, etc.
It's not as if the guy is TOTALLY random anyway... ¬¬
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Your point is?
I don't have any clue why people use this argument at all. Sakurai NEVER said the original 12 were returning.
Ness has been around for quite a length of time? Is that what you're saying? Um... so? Lucas is much more well known, as it's popular in Japan, and if you frequent these forums you know who he is.
It wasn't even an argument, it was just pointing out that Lucas has been confirmed and Ness hasn't. The fact that Lucas is in is bad news for Ness more than likely. That's all I meant.
Your character comparisons are silly. The game wouldn't make sense without Luigi, but it would without Ness. As for Jigglypuff, it's unknown whether he/she/it's returning or not.
vesperview
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I hate how people come to the Ness thread to say how he is not returning, truth is, the only good reason for Ness to return at this point is because he has been in the past two games, people have mained him for what 8 years now? and one can't say anything about Ness being in Brawl because all of these idiots will just go.
"Sakurai never wanted Ness in the first place" "Mother 3 is more popular"
While that's true why don't you idiots see it from your side of the pond? Lucas is quite unknown in America, people who don't come to the boards or browse the web probably have no idea who he is, and yeah Sakurai can put Japanese only characters, yet in this case you still have the more famous everywhere else (except Europe) to choose from, who is Ness.
Now, at this point Ness's inclusion doesn't seem likely... people who have mained Ness since the beginning probably don't give a **** about the arguments against Ness, they just want him back because they're biased about it, including me, and what are you going to reply to this?
So? What's your point? Sakurai doesn't give a ****?
Whatever.
"Sakurai never wanted Ness in the first place" "Mother 3 is more popular"
While that's true why don't you idiots see it from your side of the pond? Lucas is quite unknown in America, people who don't come to the boards or browse the web probably have no idea who he is, and yeah Sakurai can put Japanese only characters, yet in this case you still have the more famous everywhere else (except Europe) to choose from, who is Ness.
Now, at this point Ness's inclusion doesn't seem likely... people who have mained Ness since the beginning probably don't give a **** about the arguments against Ness, they just want him back because they're biased about it, including me, and what are you going to reply to this?
So? What's your point? Sakurai doesn't give a ****?
Whatever.
error_alt_delete
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well if sakurai didnt want him in, lucas will open up mother to the us, then alowing us to move on, I realy cant see any need for ness except to please you guys.
vesperview
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If they wanted to release Mother 3 in America, they would've probably done it while they had the chance, GBA is obsolete now, plus there was an interview with NOA in which they said they had no near plans of bringing Mother 3 to America, you people thinking this makes Mother 3 a US giveaway is worse than us thinking Ness will return.
Samurai Goroh before Captain Falcon... oh, wait. Certain characters having their final smashes revealed prior to their special moves... oh wait. Stages for a franchise being confirmed before a character from the franchise is... oh wait.
You keep using this pointless "Well, Sakurai isn't COMPLETELY unpredictable" argument that I already refuted numerous times the last time we debated about this. Why? I have no clue.
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What else do you want us to say?
"Ness is returning. It's 100% confirmed. Sakurai said all of the original 12 would be returning! There's nothing to worry about... Ness is far more important to the Mother series than Lucas is."
That'd be a lie...
vesperview
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Actually Ness is more important to the Mother series in terms of being the character people actually recognize, let's leave it at that.
That doesn't matter. This game doesn't revolve around the U.S., it's JAPAN MADE. Get the **** over it.
And further more this game is PACKED with characters people will recognize even better than the average person would recognize Ness.
vesperview
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What do the other characters matter in this? Go ask the average player who Lucas is and he'll go huh? you get the **** over it, and I'm not in the mood to start a flame war about this, I have better things to do.
That's exactly my point...
I still see you having trouble accepting the fact that this game's main focus in not just America, eh?
PrettyGoodYear
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I don't believe the order applies to stages and items... only character profiles themselves.
And I don't see what's the problem with a Final Smash being revealed after Special moves or vice versa...
But, what the hell... it's all speculation, we'll see who's right in the end.
vesperview
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I don't know what you're talking about neither what your point is, go back to the Takamaru thread please.That's exactly my point...
I still see you having trouble accepting the fact that this game's main focus in not just America, eh?
Likewise, I don't see what the problem is with one character from a franchise being updated before the most iconic character. If that's the way Sakurai's chooses to do things, then so be it.
At least that's one thing we can agree on.
voittaa711
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If Ness does return we will know that clone characters will exist in this game.
So Falco will probably have a good chance.
So Falco will probably have a good chance.
PrettyGoodYear
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indeed....
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I can't see any logic in this post. It makes absolutely no sense.
It's assumed that Lucas has Ness's moveset, yes, but we don't actually know that for sure at this point.
vesperview
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Lucas does not have Ness's moveset there are enough pictures to know that.
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Show me some of these pictures. I've seen some pictures with what seem to be similar to his aerial A moves, and then I remember that video on the night of the Sonic update having Lucas using what looked to be the same as Ness's Melee B move.
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Challenge accepted.
And there's that Pictochat screen where Lucas has the SAME jump as Ness.
Noshiee
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first of all, there was no shiny effects in the jump (unlike Ness), and so that you know, lots of characters have a similar jump, you just relate it to Ness's because they have similar builds. And that move in the Conference Trailer looks more like his UpSmash (you can see the light that appears in characters when they charge a Smash attack), also, PK Flash is continous, it doesnt banish after casting it, unless you make it explode, and it doesnt explode.
vesperview
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Go to the Lucas section and in the Lucas moves.
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Here's something I just now realized but I already knew but had forgotten (got all that)...
Jeff was one of the multi-requested characters from Sakurai's poll. Paula and Poo were also on there somewhere. I wonder, knowing the popularity of these Earthbound characters or whatever, if that helps Ness's return.
Honestly, I have no idea, but it's something to think about.
Jeff was one of the multi-requested characters from Sakurai's poll. Paula and Poo were also on there somewhere. I wonder, knowing the popularity of these Earthbound characters or whatever, if that helps Ness's return.
Honestly, I have no idea, but it's something to think about.