Ness is out: Come and help those in denial...

[vesperview]

But why do you ignore mine. Mine is clearly factual.

Because he can't argue it, it's pretty obvious.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Then that's a cue that he needs to leave this thread then.

 

[RDK]

You have an amazing gift.. you can read 3 words and completely jump to a conclusion..

So please use your gift to tell me the rest of the roster.

Seriously: Ness is deconfirmed to you.. but that doesn't mean hes deconfirmed to me.. your statement was bias.

Okay, first of all, it's "your statement is BIASED", not bias. I hate when people say that.

And second of all, yes, I did make a conclusion based on three words. Why would you not? If you use that kind of stupid logic that you just used, then you can't believe anything Sakurai says.

So I guess the game's name isn't actually Brawl, because that would be drawing a conclusiong on just five letters.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

I mean using your logic it's like saying "Oh, I beleive Sakurai will put me in Brawl. I mean I'm not deconfirmed, so I still have a chance!"

 

[DeuceBlade]

A lot of characters haven't been deconfirmed and Ness is actually the only of the original hidden characters that has things pointing towards his deconfirmation. I mean he was supposed to be replaced years ago and Sakurai's move update with Lucas with that "Up until now" statement. Tell me, do you see that for anyone like Luigi or C. Falcon? No, but with Ness, there clearly is a problem.

-He was supposed to be replaced.. doesn't mean Sakurai still wants him to be out
-The up until now statement could mean two things, but only 1 thing to the bias.
-The move update actually helped Ness. It showed that Lucas and Ness were different.
-Luigi is already similar to mario.. sorta like how Lucas possibly will be to Ness
-C.Falcon seems like he could return to being hidden.. but I don't know for sure.

Ness can not be deconfirmed by users on a forum, only Sakurai.. I know you guys hate that fact but it is true.

Because he can't Debate it, it's pretty obvious.

I don't argue on forums.. so I fixed it for you.. debating is better cause arguing usually comes from anger.. and you don't make me angry

Ness for brawl, hate it or love it lol.

Okay, first of all, it's "your statement is BIASED", not bias. I hate when people say that.

And second of all, yes, I did make a conclusion based on three words. Why would you not? If you use that kind of stupid logic that you just used, then you can't believe anything Sakurai says.

So I guess the game's name isn't actually Brawl, because that would be drawing a conclusiong on just five letters.

Rofl.

 

[vesperview]

-He was supposed to be replaced.. doesn't mean Sakurai still wants him to be out
-The up until now statement could mean two things, but only 1 thing to the bias.
-The move update actually helped Ness. It showed that Lucas and Ness were different.
-Luigi is already similar to mario.. sorta like how Lucas possibly will be to Ness
-C.Falcon seems like he could return to being hidden.. but I don't know for sure.

You're arguing facts with assumptions? Oh my...

Rofl.

Typical response.

 

[DeuceBlade]

You're arguing facts with assumptions? Oh my...

Yeah thats why I never said Ness will be in brawl, I just hope he will, I assume he might be in brawl..

Typical response .

Yeah your beginning to rub off on me. "Oh my..."

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

-He was supposed to be replaced.. doesn't mean Sakurai still wants him to be out
-The up until now statement could mean two things, but only 1 thing to the bias.
-The move update actually helped Ness. It showed that Lucas and Ness were different.
-Luigi is already similar to mario.. sorta like how Lucas possibly will be to Ness
-C.Falcon seems like he could return to being hidden.. but I don't know for sure.

Ness can not be deconfirmed by users on a forum, only Sakurai.. I know you guys hate that fact but it is true.

Well it took you long enough
-Being replaced means he will be out, I don't see where you went with that at all.
-True, but judging by the factual content(moves, statement, replacement,etc.) the things are really not in his favor
-Who's to say Luigi won't have a new moveset, notice all the partial clones, clones, and clone host are absent from an update.
-Sakurai is revealing the whole roster I beleive.

Ness cannot not be confirmed by users on the forum either, but when you have things like this going against you, it's clearly understandable. Why can't you get that?

 

[vesperview]

Yeah thats why I never said Ness will be in brawl, I just hope he will, I assume he might be in brawl..

Then GTFO! I mean, seriously, you're only response to everything is "he still has a chance, he'll be unlockable and unnerfed " and you refuse to argue all of the other stuff and to think Sakurai changed his mind on the replacing Ness with Lucas issue is wishful thinking, everyone knows why he didn't go through with it in Melee.

 

[RDK]

DeuceBlade--the fact that your response to my argument was "ROFL" means that you just lost this debate, and that from now on, I'm going to take you even less seriously than I have been taking you recently.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Well it took you long enough
-Being replaced means he will be out, I don't see where you went with that at all.
-True, but judging by the factual content(moves, statement, replacement,etc.) the things are really not in his favor
-Who's to say Luigi won't have a new moveset, notice all the partial clones, clones, and clone host are absent from an update.
-Sakurai is revealing the whole roster I beleive.

Ness cannot not be confirmed by users on the forum either, but when you have things like this going against you, it's clearly understandable. Why can't you get that?

*repeats*

I never said Ness will be in brawl, I just hope he will.

People enjoy attacking peoples hope that he will be in brawl..

DeuceBlade--the fact that your response to my argument was "ROFL" means that you just lost this debate, and that from now on, I'm going to take you even less seriously than I have been taking you recently.

I had no idea someone followed my post, interesting.

I "rofl" at the end of your post where you compared whether Sakurai would keep the game entitled Brawl, to whether Ness was in brawl..

Funny stuff.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

*repeats*

I never said Ness will be in brawl, I just hope he will.

People enjoy attacking peoples hope that he will be in brawl..

What no counterexamples? Clearly shows you have no good points. You may have never said it, but who cares? What's the point in arguing it? It's clearly reasonable to think he's being replaced.

 

[RDK]

I had no idea someone followed my post, interesting.

I "rofl" at the end of your post where you compared whether Sakurai would keep the game entitled Smash, to whether Ness was in brawl..

Funny stuff.

But you completely ignored my point about "why would you not take Sakurai seriously". I hoped it would make you realize how ridiculous you sound, but I guess that's not going to happen.

Old habits die hard. And idiocy seems to be a very die-hard habit for you.

 

[vesperview]

Seriously if everyone was like DeuceBlade, the character discussion would be opened until the game's release cause clearly none of us can't prove anything, God, what a jerk.

 

[DeuceBlade]

What no counterexamples? Clearly shows you have no good points. You may have never said it, but who cares? What's the point in arguing it? It's clearly reasonable to think he's being replaced.

Just because you think something does not mean someone else has to also.. this isn't a communist forum...

Until Sakurai Deconfirms Ness, I will keep hoping hes in brawl.. im sorry if that offends people lol.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Seriously if everyone was like DeuceBlade, the character discussion would not be opened until the game's release cause clearly none of us can't prove anything, God, what a jerk.

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[vesperview]

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[DeuceBlade]

But you completely ignored my point about "why would you not take Sakurai seriously". I hoped it would make you realize how ridiculous you sound, but I guess that's not going to happen.

Old habits die hard. And idiocy seems to be a very die-hard habit for you.

So your insulting me for wanting Ness in brawl

Ness has not yet been deconfirmed by Sakurai, what you read as his deconfirmation, I read as his chance of being Lucas' rival.

*waits to be insulted for having a opinion that you don't like* how mature.

 

[DarkDeoxys26]

Ness is not out, you have no proof whatsoever. Just because of that sentence, you can ASSUME, but you can't BE SURE. Did you go to the programmers and hear their plan to replace Ness? No, you just like to think your assumption is right. Compare Luigi and Mario, can they both shoot fireballs? Do they both have Mario/Luigi tornado? You can see a lot of similarities, but is one a replacement of other? Ness can have similarities, and he still has 0-100% of being in, because there is no exact proof. Want to give some "counterexamples?"

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Just because you think something does not mean someone else has to also.. this isn't a communist forum...

Until Sakurai Deconfirms Ness, I will keep hoping hes in brawl.. im sorry if that offends people lol.

I never said this was, but when you come in a thread against Ness, with unvalid and stupid arguments that he should be in, then maybe you shouldn't be here at all. Sakurai will not deconfirm everything, and if he does it will be as subtle as possible. I mean the way your going is like, "Until Sakurai deconfirms enter name/thing/idea here, then I still believe "whatever that thing is" still has a chance in Brawl.

 

[RDK]

So your insulting me for wanting Ness in brawl

Ness has not yet been deconfirmed by Sakurai, what you read as his deconfirmation, I read as his chance of being Lucas' rival.

*waits to be insulted for having a opinion that you don't like* how mature.

Deconfirmation is universal. If a character is deconfirmed, you can't say "Oh, he may be deconfirmed for you, but not for me." He's deconfirmed for everyone, you idiot.

And yes, Sakurai DID deconfirm Ness. "UP UNTIL NOW" means he's been in it UP UNTIL BRAWL. That mean's he's not in Brawl.

Anyone who's been through a 5th grade English class can see this.

 

[DarkDeoxys26]

Starting a thread and saying that Ness is 100% deconfirmed by that sentence, when you know there is at least a .0000000001% chance he's still in is ridiculous. Surely some people have some arguements against that.

 

[vesperview]

Starting a thread and saying that Ness is 100% deconfirmed by that sentence, when you know there is at least a .0000000001% chance he's still in is ridiculous. Surely some people have some arguements against that.

You think .00000000001% is a chance?

 

[DeuceBlade]

I never said this was, but when you come in a thread against Ness, with unvalid and stupid arguments that he should be in, then maybe you shouldn't be here at all. Sakurai will not deconfirm everything, and if he does it will be as subtle as possible. I mean the way your going is like, "Until Sakurai deconfirms enter name/thing/idea here, then I still believe "whatever that thing is" still has a chance in Brawl.

and is that not that foundation for almost every character speculation?

I want ____ in brawl : Well obviously if _____ was not deconfirmed by Sakurai _____ still has a chance to make it in brawl.

(Insert whatever reasons)

Ness can still be in brawl, insult me if you want.

Deconfirmation is universal. If a character is deconfirmed, you can't say "Oh, he may be deconfirmed for you, but not for me." He's deconfirmed for everyone, you idiot.

And yes, Sakurai DID deconfirm Ness. "UP UNTIL NOW" means he's been in it UP UNTIL BRAWL. That mean's he's not in Brawl.

Anyone who's been through a 5th grade English class can see this.

Your not Sakurai, you don't know for sure hes deconfirmed, your jumping to conclusions. You keep insulting me because you know you are not sure yourself and thats what makes you really mad.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

Starting a thread and saying that Ness is 100% deconfirmed by that sentence, when you know there is at least a .0000000001% chance he's still in is ridiculous. Surely some people have some arguements against that.

Are there any good ones? NO! And if so DB certainly does have them at his arsenal. "Until Sakurai deconfirms enter place name/thing/idea here, then I still believe "whatever that thing is" still has a chance in Brawl. That truly is the best thing he's told us so far and it's gotten him nowhere.

 

[vesperview]

Ness can still be in brawl, insult me if you want.

You just don't get it do you? If that's your only reason then you shouldn't post, that's the gist of it.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

You just don't get it do you? If that's your only reason then you shouldn't post, that's the gist of it.

Really. I mean cmon. I guess I can still be in Brawl, b/c Sakurai hasn't deconfirmed me.

 

[DeuceBlade]

You just don't get it do you? If that's your only reason then you shouldn't post, that's the gist of it.

I also think Ganondorf might come back since Sakurai has not deconfirmed him. <- Oh look I did it again. I guess Ganondorf might not come back cause.. Sakurai hasn't confirmed him either.

Yes, I know Im starting to make sense, but those who are narrow minded and stubborn hate to be proven wrong.

Really. I mean cmon. I guess I can still be in Brawl, b/c Sakurai hasn't deconfirmed me.

You were never on a nintendo console, So no you don't have any chance , but ness does.

 

[DarkDeoxys26]

You think .00000000001% is a chance?

Is .00000000001 greater than 0? And 5th grader that passed math class would know that.

Are there any good ones? NO! And if so DB certainly does have them at his arsenal. "Until Sakurai deconfirms enter place name/thing/idea here, then I still believe "whatever that thing is" still has a chance in Brawl. That truly is the best thing he's told us so far and it's gotten him nowhere.

Waitwaitwait... YOU give me one good arguement that proves Ness is out.

 

[Meta_Sonic64]

I also think Ganondorf might come back since Sakurai has not deconfirmed him. <- Oh look I did it again. I guess Ganondorf might not come back cause.. Sakurai hasn't confirmed him either.

Yes, I know Im starting to make sense, but those who are narrow minded and stubborn hate to be proven wrong.

Really. I mean cmon. I guess I can still be in Brawl, b/c Sakurai hasn't deconfirmed me.

You were never on a nintendo console, So no you don't have any chance , but ness does.

Actually you are continuing to fail and prove my point also that is against Ness. Ganon has NOTHING against his inclusion, nothing pointing to deconfirmation and etc.

 

[RDK]

Your not Sakurai, you don't know for sure hes deconfirmed, your jumping to conclusions. You keep insulting me because you know you are not sure yourself and thats what makes you really mad.

Wrong. I'm insulting you because you're a complete ******. And I'm not jumping to conclusions--I'm looking at what Sakurai directly said. You're the one in denial.

Yes, I know Im starting to make sense, but those who are narrow minded and stubborn hate to be proven wrong

You haven't "proven" anything. You're just making more idiotic assumptions and generalizations based on a one-to-1,000,000 chance. Try again.

 

[DarkDeoxys26]

You think .00000000001% is a chance?

Is .00000000001 greater than 0? And 5th grader that passed math class would know that.

Are there any good ones? NO! And if so DB certainly does have them at his arsenal. "Until Sakurai deconfirms enter place name/thing/idea here, then I still believe "whatever that thing is" still has a chance in Brawl. That truly is the best thing he's told us so far and it's gotten him nowhere.

Waitwaitwait... YOU give me one good arguement that proves Ness is out.

 

[vesperview]

Is .00000000001 greater than 0? And 5th grader that passed math class would know that.

Let me rephrase, you think a character with .000000000001% chance of appearing in the game is worth arguing?

Waitwaitwait... YOU give me one good arguement that proves Ness is out.

Why don't you give one as to why he should return?

 

[DeuceBlade]

Wrong. I'm insulting you because you're a complete ******. And I'm not jumping to conclusions--I'm looking at what Sakurai directly said. You're the one in denial.

So thats why you insult people? How cruel, and mean.

You haven't "proven" anything. You're just making more idiotic assumptions and generalizations based on a one-to-1,000,000 chance. Try again.

So you admit he has a chance, well atleast your not being bias anymore.

 

[Kirbichu]

If he's in, does that mean Lucas would be a clone of Ness?

 

[DeuceBlade]

If he's in, does that mean Lucas would be a clone of Ness?

Just as Luigi is a clone of Mario, it will be the same formula if he gets in.

 

[RDK]

So you admit he has a chance, well atleast your not being bias anymore.

Any character has a chance. But Sakurai himself deconfirmed Ness, so unless some catasrophic event changes his mind, Ness is out.

Don't get me wrong--I wanted Ness instead of Lucas. But the facts are there. He's not coming back. And it's annoying when people won't get over it.

And I see your grammar still sucks.

 

[DeuceBlade]

Any character has a chance. But Sakurai himself deconfirmed Ness, so unless some catasrophic event changes his mind, Ness is out.

If thats what you think

Don't get me wrong--I wanted Ness instead of Lucas. But the facts are there. He's not coming back. And it's annoying when people won't get over it.

I have no problem with Lucas and Ness being in brawl, and fact is.. no one knows if Ness is out or in except Sakurai... How you claim to know this is by jumping to conclusions.

And I see your grammar still sucks.

Good thing this isn't a spelling test, or else you might have a point here.

 

[DarkDeoxys26]

Let me rephrase, you think a character with .000000000001% chance of appearing in the game is worth arguing?

Why don't you give one as to why he should return?

I am not saying at all that Ness only has that small of a chance of coming back... I'm just saying there is A CHANCE, even if it was that low, that Ness would be coming back.

What's BAD about Ness? The more the merrier, he was the original, people like him, he was a fun character. The better question is Why you would want a character OUT, not why you want them in.

 

[DeuceBlade]

I am not saying at all that Ness only has that small of a chance of coming back... I'm just saying there is A CHANCE, even if it was that low, that Ness would be coming back.

What's BAD about Ness? The more the merrier, he was the original, people like him, he was a fun character. The better question is Why you would want a character OUT, not why you want them in.

I completely agree, to bad by me agreeing I will most likely get insulted by that smash director guy.