Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
I...meh...whatever. do we really want random seeding outside the PR? cuz i guess if that's what we want, uhhhh nah i still don't like the sound of it LOL
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NC Brocator Thread!
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flantasticflan
Smash Journeyman
I'm popular
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Yeaaaasssss
Well the seeding for 1-10 is based on PRs, so I'm assuming you mean the stuff after that. That, honestly, is pretty subjective. I'm not gonna lie about that. If you wanna help me with it in the future, I'd be happy to have your help on seeding because I do feel like it's pretty hard to get a lot of people(Raleigh) seeded well when I don't play them so much and don't know how well they're doing these days.
Very reasonable concern!
Very reasonable concern!
Juno McGrath
Smash Hero
I think that if we had a single tournament where all ten PR'd players showed up then yes our seeding would be ... acceptable, but when was the last time that happened?
also I cant believe all I had to do was contribute was be a dikwhole
If anyone wants some good reads on this subject I reccomend this thread
http://allisbrawl.com/forum/topic.aspx?id=27247
And these links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_(sports)
http://www.raincityfencing.com/content/view/37/62/
also I cant believe all I had to do was contribute was be a dikwhole
If anyone wants some good reads on this subject I reccomend this thread
http://allisbrawl.com/forum/topic.aspx?id=27247
And these links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seed_(sports)
http://www.raincityfencing.com/content/view/37/62/
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
yeah i was just gonna say, if theres a random and we don't know how good they are, they're not gonna get a courtesy good seed because nonexistent reasons. so yeah i guess it is a popularity contest.
i'll also just throw out the fact that I, along with many other players, play far differently in friendlies than i do in tournament. i would hope that people don't assume at a tournament that whatever way i warmed up is the way i'm about to play, and thus seeded me differently than otherwise. overall i guess i'm glad i'm PR'd cuz if i wasn't and people stared at me and saw how trash i am on occasion, they'd potentially seed me differently...idk...
i'll also just throw out the fact that I, along with many other players, play far differently in friendlies than i do in tournament. i would hope that people don't assume at a tournament that whatever way i warmed up is the way i'm about to play, and thus seeded me differently than otherwise. overall i guess i'm glad i'm PR'd cuz if i wasn't and people stared at me and saw how trash i am on occasion, they'd potentially seed me differently...idk...
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Chris I'm the king off occasionally trash
Step off bro
Step off bro
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Dylan I found out the answer
raleigh needs to get together
and make raleigh PRs
To help with the whole seeding thing
raleigh needs to get together
and make raleigh PRs
To help with the whole seeding thing
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
all i know is, sneak will forever be PR'd cuz i'm gonna keep taking him to things to beat me =/
and yeah my bad lucas. i'm actually the king of consistency, i just have two somewhat different levels between tournament play and...not.
and yeah my bad lucas. i'm actually the king of consistency, i just have two somewhat different levels between tournament play and...not.
Juno McGrath
Smash Hero
Yo if regions had their own rankings that would be sooooo helpful.
But that would mean basically one person from every region organizing the data for a larger "smash tribunal" that would be second only to the actual panel itself would be toooo crazy.
Damn the NC MELEE PR political revolt.
But that would mean basically one person from every region organizing the data for a larger "smash tribunal" that would be second only to the actual panel itself would be toooo crazy.
Damn the NC MELEE PR political revolt.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
State's rights, guys
vZakat
Half Genie
So PR complaining has merged into the brocator thread too? No wonder I don't post here anymore. -_-
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
no david we're sorry come back we need more people diversity halp
vZakat
Half Genie
If the next NCSU event coincides with my schedule then I promise to practice the week before and enter. How's that sound?
Todd Bonney
Smash Lord
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Man, we've got a twofer regarding the space pen issue, this time from the always excellent AmazingSuperPowers.
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
YESSSSS sounds good david. idk when the next NCSU could be but i wanna play against you again. It's been like...years.
ncsu's still happen?
regarding PRs.....
That first link was bracket theory, so I'm not sure how that helps anything because it explained that TIO was good and we use TIO. The second link seems to be saying "this is how tennis seeds." This is actually how TIO seeds as well when we do this by "skill" when we seed with TIO. I think the only argument you could make about this is sometimes the seeding isn't "random" for seeds 5-8 for certain parts of the bracket, but the article even suggests that this isn't a staple procedure when seeding, so why should it be ours? The last link seemed to say that bad seeds happen, and you should try to work hard to get a better seed.....which is something I always add in to my posts.
So let's go to your other point, about how all "ten" PR'd players should show up to a tournament to determine PRs. How do we decide which of these 10 is worth harassing? What do we do about people who kind of play(Twitch) who don't come out much but are PR-worthy consistently when they show up? Do we include only people CURRENTLY ranked? What if we know one of them is dropping off or playing less, or some others(fiz) are rising up?
Aside from all of this, how do we even get all of these people here for sure? Surely there must be some incentive like a large turnout/pot bonus/etc if this traditionally does not work out for us.
I certainly agree that having everyone show up would be WONDERFUL in terms of PRs, but how is that achieved? Even so, is it THAT much better than having most ranked players go to most tournaments so they end up playing the field and everyone gets a fair showing in a given ranking period anyway?
These questions are not asked to be rude, but to illustrate the size of the issue on our hands. I would not mind having more people show up and having higher levels of competition at tournaments, but I do not believe that having multiple data points with most of the same players and seeing who remains consistently ranked in what area over time also provides very telling evidence for player skill.
I believe that, to start with this issue, we need to first start looking at attendance. We have enough tournaments, but not enough people come out always that want to be ranked. This means it's partly community and partly TO'ing(aka general hype level) we must improve. I can do what I can with the Greensboro tourneys to bring hype(we have a good venue and it's Melee-only and run super fast so we can have neat SIDE EVENTS to encourage people to come out and have something new!) I can't do it alone though. We all have to travel and contribute to discussions before things get to this point of frustration to continually improve the health of Melee in our state and our own level of ability and of course gather accurate representations of skill.
I'd keep going but I doubt many people will read much of this as it is. I do want to make an impact and want PRs to work out better, but that's part of a bigger issue you're touching on with your suggestion, Dylan.
Lemme know what you guys think.
regarding PRs.....
That first link was bracket theory, so I'm not sure how that helps anything because it explained that TIO was good and we use TIO. The second link seems to be saying "this is how tennis seeds." This is actually how TIO seeds as well when we do this by "skill" when we seed with TIO. I think the only argument you could make about this is sometimes the seeding isn't "random" for seeds 5-8 for certain parts of the bracket, but the article even suggests that this isn't a staple procedure when seeding, so why should it be ours? The last link seemed to say that bad seeds happen, and you should try to work hard to get a better seed.....which is something I always add in to my posts.
So let's go to your other point, about how all "ten" PR'd players should show up to a tournament to determine PRs. How do we decide which of these 10 is worth harassing? What do we do about people who kind of play(Twitch) who don't come out much but are PR-worthy consistently when they show up? Do we include only people CURRENTLY ranked? What if we know one of them is dropping off or playing less, or some others(fiz) are rising up?
Aside from all of this, how do we even get all of these people here for sure? Surely there must be some incentive like a large turnout/pot bonus/etc if this traditionally does not work out for us.
I certainly agree that having everyone show up would be WONDERFUL in terms of PRs, but how is that achieved? Even so, is it THAT much better than having most ranked players go to most tournaments so they end up playing the field and everyone gets a fair showing in a given ranking period anyway?
These questions are not asked to be rude, but to illustrate the size of the issue on our hands. I would not mind having more people show up and having higher levels of competition at tournaments, but I do not believe that having multiple data points with most of the same players and seeing who remains consistently ranked in what area over time also provides very telling evidence for player skill.
I believe that, to start with this issue, we need to first start looking at attendance. We have enough tournaments, but not enough people come out always that want to be ranked. This means it's partly community and partly TO'ing(aka general hype level) we must improve. I can do what I can with the Greensboro tourneys to bring hype(we have a good venue and it's Melee-only and run super fast so we can have neat SIDE EVENTS to encourage people to come out and have something new!) I can't do it alone though. We all have to travel and contribute to discussions before things get to this point of frustration to continually improve the health of Melee in our state and our own level of ability and of course gather accurate representations of skill.
I'd keep going but I doubt many people will read much of this as it is. I do want to make an impact and want PRs to work out better, but that's part of a bigger issue you're touching on with your suggestion, Dylan.
Lemme know what you guys think.
v4extreme
Smash Journeyman
Reading about the PRs hurts my brain >_< if you want to be PRd you should accept the system that's in place and work to get on. If you want to be on the PRs but don't agree with the way they're done, that's a lot like entering a tournament and then complaining about the ruleset (shoutouts to scar). If you enter you're pretty much agreeing to play by that tournament's rules.
I think the way the PRs are done is pretty much the best way we can do them. Is it perfect? No. It's not going to be. And I don't freaking care. I wouldn't care even if I was good enough to be on them.
It might not so relevant because I'm not good enough to make the PRs anytime soon, but that's my two cents.
tl;dr no johns.
I think the way the PRs are done is pretty much the best way we can do them. Is it perfect? No. It's not going to be. And I don't freaking care. I wouldn't care even if I was good enough to be on them.
It might not so relevant because I'm not good enough to make the PRs anytime soon, but that's my two cents.
tl;dr no johns.
I'm looking forward to supporting these events in the future (i.e. next semester when I can drive myself places).
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
flantasticflan
Smash Journeyman
this is where i stopped
vZakat
Half Genie
lol I thought they were. Well, next Raleigh event then.
And as far as PRs go, play smash because it's fun. Play because you want to improve. Play because you want to take out PP and become the next best player in the country/world. If you're playing to be on the PRs your goals are way to small. Being PR'd never won a tourney for anyone. Skill did. If you won the tourney but still aren't PR'd, who cares? You're the one with the money. If you want to be a part of the political game of the PRs that's fine but don't come in here crying like a pansy ass because you think someone might think that you are slightly less skilled than someone else for a brief amount of time.
btw I never read what PP wrote. tl;dr.
it's okay no one did probly
couldn't really moderate my return to words it seems LMAO
couldn't really moderate my return to words it seems LMAO
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
There was this really crazy person around 4 years ago telling you ******s how to have an objective process for seeding. Boy was he really of his rocker. I forget his name..............I THINK IT WAS..............
nope, i forget.
nope, i forget.
Dark Hart
Rejected by Azua
Good job spiking Chu
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
Thank you.
Todd Bonney
Smash Lord
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Glob dang you young ones and your Turbo Ratings. I remember when Smash Bros was about playing a video game, not manufacturing drama.
v4extreme
Smash Journeyman
Woke up and went to an all you can eat buffet 
Dorsey
Banned via Warnings
For a second there I was really worried about all the drama happening currently, but now that I know boney is on the case I can sleep easy
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
Kunichan
Smash Journeyman
City: Asheville
MSN: augustmdeloach@students.abtech.edu
MSN: augustmdeloach@students.abtech.edu
v4extreme
Smash Journeyman
Nice, I'll be in Brevard this summer along with a couple other people.
asheville bro, if you have a facebook you should join the nc melee group too =)
Kunichan
Smash Journeyman
Thats awesome to hear, I hope we get a chance to play man
I'll be sure to do that, thanks for the invite Peepee
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
fest at pp's tomorrow people should go because reasons.
6-9 because dirty reasons
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
the dirtiest things, for the dirtiest reasons.
dirt reason thing dirt because
Bl@ckChris
Smash Hero
yeah....stuff like that.
Todd Bonney
Smash Lord
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Keep it PG, you two.