MultiVersus General Discussion

[Fields - Ultimate's Great]

Separating the art from the artist is really only a thing when you can enjoy said art without benefiting said artist. Otherwise, there's not really a separation.

Take NASB, for example. John Kricfalusi is an absolutely wretched human being and a known sexual abuser. But there wasn't much of an uproar when Ren and Stimpy got into Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl, because Kricfalusi doesn't see a cent of the money, as he doesn't own the rights to the series. Likewise, if in a hypothetical scenario Disney made a platform fighter, I'd still be pushing for Woody and Buzz to be in despite being made by John Lasseter, and that's again because he wouldn't see a dime.

Hell, I know some folks who had held off from playing Dragon Quest but recently finally did so because the dumpster fire of a composer finally died, meaning they could enjoy the games without either pirating or lining the pockets of an alt-right war crime denier and LGBTphobe.

And that's why the issue with Rowling and the Wizarding World isn't nearly as easy to "separate the art from the artist." Any purchase of a product under the Harry Potter license is directly paying one of the most famous and infamous anti-trans bigots on the planet.

The Dragon Quest composer died? Really?

 

[Opossum]

The Dragon Quest composer died? Really?

Yes. He died on the twenty-first night thirtieth of September.

 

[SneakyLink]

The Dragon Quest composer died? Really?

Yes Koichi Sugiyama passed away last September.

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[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Separating the art from the artist is really only a thing when you can enjoy said art without benefiting said artist. Otherwise, there's not really a separation.

Take NASB, for example. John Kricfalusi is an absolutely wretched human being and a known sexual abuser. But there wasn't much of an uproar when Ren and Stimpy got into Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl, because Kricfalusi doesn't see a cent of the money, as he doesn't own the rights to the series. Likewise, if in a hypothetical scenario Disney made a platform fighter, I'd still be pushing for Woody and Buzz to be in despite being made by John Lasseter, and that's again because he wouldn't see a dime.

Hell, I know some folks who had held off from playing Dragon Quest but recently finally did so because the dumpster fire of a composer finally died, meaning they could enjoy the games without either pirating or lining the pockets of an alt-right war crime denier and LGBTphobe.

And that's why the issue with Rowling and the Wizarding World isn't nearly as easy to "separate the art from the artist." Any purchase of a product under the Harry Potter license is directly paying one of the most famous and infamous anti-trans bigots on the planet.

From the looks of things, even WB Games and Player First seem to have issues with HP getting in period, if it can't seem to have data for initial DLC.

On a side note, it'll be nice to see DQ actually get remixes next time, but that's a topic for a different console cycle.

The Dragon Quest composer died? Really?

Yeah, Sugiyama was pushing 90 at that point. It pretty much only was a matter of time.

Oh, .

 

[Deleted member]

Seen the gameplay
she has a naurto symbol of some sort pop up at some point. Might be a left over

worth noting that both the video and the godzilla screenshots above feature the full trophies edge stage with the gl Lantern and the eye of sauron. The avatar looking kite flying around is apparently from the new Gremlins cartoon?

 

[Opossum]

Seen the gameplay
she has a naurto symbol of some sort pop up at some point. Might be a left over

worth noting that both the video and the godzilla screenshots above feature the full trophies edge stage with the gl Lantern and the eye of sauron. The avatar looking kite flying around is apparently from the new Gremlins cartoon?

Yeah, the kite belongs to Gizmo.

According to data miners, the Brute and Ninja OCs come from like, the earliest points in development and haven't been updated any time recently, so the odds are that they're leftovers from before the game became a crossover game.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

You can't separate art from the artist when the artist's own views are prevalent in their art and it goes far, far beyond just a seething hatred for trans people but I'd also add that saying to separate Rowling as a person from her art on a site with a fair few trans members ain't exactly smart.

Rowling's rhetoric has caused people to commit suicide so miss me with that ****.

I literally am in a loving relationship with a non-binary person, and myself identifty , and they don't get up in arms over me liking Harry Potter.

It was the first fandom I was ever a part of, and holds a special place in my heart because it was a place I could be myself without being bullied like I was at school. It helped me learn to read. And at the end of the day, I genuinely believe it is a story about love and being yourself.

Rowling is an awful person, and I'm not defending her or her bs, but the fact of the matter is - whether you like it or not - she's made her fortune. The royalties she gets from a free-to-play game aren't going to make a lick of difference when she's already a mega bajillionaire. Yeah, I don't want MY hard-earned money going to her, but whether you like it or not, her being rich isn't going to change, so why not just stick it to her by interpreting the media your way and enjoying it despite the fact you may be trans/non-binary/etc?

Please, explain how anti-trans rhetoric is in the books I've read countless times over. I'd love to hear it.

On top of that? If you're still interested in the franchise but don't want her to see a cent of your money, do what I do - buy secondhand. That's what I intend to do for Hogwarts Legacy, which by the by has lots of pro-LGBT people on it's team. And just don't spend money on stuff for HP content in Multiversus. If you hate it so damn much, I think it's plenty easy to not do that.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah, the kite belongs to Gizmo.

According to data miners, the Brute and Ninja OCs come from like, the earliest points in development and haven't been updated any time recently, so the odds are that they're leftovers from before the game became a crossover game.

hoping this is the case, one OC is enough IMO

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

As far as I can see, the only reason Reindog was kept at all is because they needed a requisite playable quadruped.

Also, people like cuddly animals.

 

[fogbadge]

Please, explain how anti-trans rhetoric is in the books I've read countless times over. I'd love to hear it.

well i dont know about the HP books but i believe theres some in her bleak crime books

As far as I can see, the only reason Reindog was kept at all is because they needed a requisite playable quadruped.

Also, people like cuddly animals.

if only there was a really well known quadruped character, like maybe a dog of some kind ideally a partner to someone on the roster

 

[Deleted member]

According to the reddit leaker these are the datamined characters who are finished

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Joker - DC

Raven - DC

Gizmo - Gremlins

Marvin the Martian - Looney Tunes

Lebron James - NBA

Rick - Rick and Morty

Morty - Rick and Morty

Scooby-Doo - Scooby-Doo

Daenerys - Game of Thrones

The Hound - Game of Thrones

Wicked Witch - The Wizard of Oz

Godzilla - Godzilla

They also said some other characters in the files are characters who are in active negotiations, naming Static as an example.

 

[Fields - Ultimate's Great]

This game cannot stop being thoroughly exposed huh? Funny.

 

[Faso115]

How many quadruped should we expect?

The obvious is Scooby Doo

 

[Geoffrey Druyts]

I don't really know that many quadruped chars aside from Scooby.

 

[fogbadge]

Would it be to much to hope for lion from Steven universe?

 

[PeridotGX]

Y'all clearly don't know how to separate the art from the artist.

There's a difference when the artist still owns the franchise, still creates for it, and still gets profits from it. I personally still enjoy the series (though I mostly only read fanfiction, which Rowling is definitely not involved in), but I don't hold it against anyone for completely abandoning the series.

At the very least personally I feel like Ron shouldn't be here. I can understand that the dev would want Harry eventually for how big the franchise his and his moveset, but having 2 characters would just feels too much for a controversial franchise.

Personally I wouldn't mind that much Harry but I can understand why people would hate seeing him here. The argument to separate the author from the art is stupid when we know she's still alive and making money of these thing.

Honestly, even ignoring all the controversy, I don't even get why they're going with Ron as the second character. Hermione and Malfoy are more popular than him in the fanbase and have the exact same amount of moveset potential. When we look at moveset potential, characters like Hagrid or Newt Scamamder (who would use magical animals), Sirius (who is an animagus), Snape (who would use potions), Voldemort (who would be using dark magic), or Dumbledore (who just has a **** ton of magical knowledge) all leap as more intresting than Ron. Literally the only reason is that I think they though that getting Rupert Grint would be cheaper than Emma Watson or Gary Oldman or whoever, which just kinda feels mean (hey Rupert, you're not famous enough to be out of our budget!). I don't dislike the character or anything (you would be suprised how many people in the fanbase think that Ronald Weasley is literally satan), it just seems odd to me.

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

How many quadruped should we expect?

The obvious is Scooby Doo

Dyno-Mutt, Krypto and Lion seem like reasonable options (although the former would need to come with Blue Falcon).

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Ron would probably be a semi-clone to Harry as Falco and Wolf are to Fox anyways.

 

[LimeTH]

How many quadruped should we expect?

The obvious is Scooby Doo

Dyno-Mutt, Krypto and Lion seem like reasonable options (although the former would need to come with Blue Falcon).

Well they don't NEED to be WB characters if Eleven and Godzilla have taught us anything so...

Oh... oh no...

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I'd actually be sorta down for this, not gonna lie.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Most likely they're using Legendary Godzilla whom the MonsterVerse is distributed by Warner Bros.

And even then Toho being stingy as they are, don't be surprised if Big G gets cut during development. I'm actually surprised they let this go through to be honest.

 

[ivanlerma]

Well they don't NEED to be WB characters if Eleven and Godzilla have taught us anything so...

Oh... oh no...

Spoiler

I'd actually be sorta down for this, not gonna lie.

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Does this imply the idea of My Little Pony being in the game?

 

[LimeTH]

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Does this imply the idea of My Little Pony being in the game?

Hypothetically as a joke, anyway. I haven't heard anything legit about the possibility.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

As for Eleven.

This is probably the case of a guest character like the Mortal Kombat and Injustice guest characters or Negan from The Walking Dead in Tekken.

 

[ivanlerma]

As for Eleven.

This is probably the case of a guest character like the Mortal Kombat and Injustice guest characters or Negan from The Walking Dead in Tekken.

What are the cases?

 

[PeridotGX]

Ron would probably be a semi-clone to Harry as Falco and Wolf are to Fox anyways.

You know, I was going to argue this but then I realized that Ron actually would be a better clone than Hermione or Draco. Two key traits that a Harry moveset would probably have is a broomstick and a patronus. Hermione can't do the former, and Draco can't do the latter (at lease I think, it's been awhile since i've read canon). Ron, however, can do both. ten points to ronald i guess

 

[Capybara Gaming]

I dunno I think a moveset where Ron screws up all his spells would be very fitting and in-tune with his portrayal in canon

 

[Lu-Gi-Oh!]

Neutral Special: Ron levitates a Troll's Club in front of him with Wingardium Leviosa, then let's it drop down in front of him.

Side Special: Rides on a giant knight chess piece as it moves in an 'L' shape.

Up Special: Flies up on broomstick and swings palm downward while wearing a Quidditch Glove. Can reflect projectiles as it's a reference to him being a Quidditch Keeper.

Down Special: Pulls out his original wand and tries to cast a spell with it, but it misfires, causing him to blow himself up. A very powerful move if anyone else is caught in the explosion, but it causes recoil damage to Ron.

Final Smash (Which I know Multiversus doesn't have, but whatever): Flying Ford Anglia flies by and rams into anyone in its path.

...I've had the idea of Harry Potter characters in a Platform Fighter for a long time.

 

[Mamboo07]

if only there was a really well known quadruped character, like maybe a dog of some kind ideally a partner to someone on the roster

A brown great dane

 

[KirbyWorshipper2465]

Hypothetically as a joke, anyway. I haven't heard anything legit about the possibility.

To be fair, the concept of third-party inclusions is currently so vague, broad and hard to wade through in this context that it's hard to know where WB Games and Player First will begin. Especially since this is WB that we're talking about, their affinity towards guest appearances in general makes them unpredictable.

Spoiler

 

[Faso115]

The one problem with speculation with these games, besides the obvious 3rd parties, is that WB catalogue is so broad there is like no definitive character to hold as the darling of speculation like say someone like Ridley or Geno are for smash.

Which is why half the wishlist is cartoon network characters since most people have the impression this CN Punch Time explosion 2. Although if it were up to me, i would have all the roster from that game be transplanted to multiversus just for funsies.

 

[RileyXY1]

The one problem with speculation with these games, besides the obvious 3rd parties, is that WB catalogue is so broad there is like no definitive character to hold as the darling of speculation like say someone like Ridley or Geno are for smash.

Which is why half the wishlist is cartoon network characters since most people have the impression this CN Punch Time explosion 2. Although if it were up to me, i would have all the roster from that game be transplanted to multiversus just for funsies.

Yeah. Virtually all the highly requested characters are CN reps, which takes away from this game being a mass media crossover.

 

[Deleted member]

It's possible Ron is an alt. Alt characters ad costumes are in

Nuiba is one for wonder Woman. She has her own voice lines. As does Cake

 

[LimeTH]

The one problem with speculation with these games, besides the obvious 3rd parties, is that WB catalogue is so broad there is like no definitive character to hold as the darling of speculation like say someone like Ridley or Geno are for smash.

Which is why half the wishlist is cartoon network characters since most people have the impression this CN Punch Time explosion 2. Although if it were up to me, i would have all the roster from that game be transplanted to multiversus just for funsies.

This is why I've enjoyed NASB's spectulation more than this game's or Smash Ult's. When anyone can get in, it's hard to even know where to start, NASB is very self contained in it's theming and has a much smaller pool to choose from, making it a lot easier to discuss character possibilities.

That said, I don't think people are requesting Cartoon Network characters because they think this is supposed to be a PTE sequel, thus they think there's an obligation for there to be CN characters or something.
I think it's because one, since DC, Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry, Scooby Doo and Iron Giant (and possibly Lego Movie and The Flintstones), the big animated WB properties that didn't originate from CN are all accounted for, more eyes are going towards CN characters for speculation on what animated characters could be next, given Adventure Time and Steven Universe set the precedent that CN characters could happen.
Or two, they, much like me, just really like the characters and want them because of that.

 

[RileyXY1]

This is why I've enjoyed NASB's spectulation more than this game's or Smash Ult's. When anyone can get in, it's hard to even know where to start,

That said, I don't think people are requesting Cartoon Network characters because they think this is supposed to be a PTE sequel, thus they think there's an obligation for there to be CN characters or something.
I think it's because one, since DC, Looney Tunes, Tom and Jerry, Scooby Doo and Iron Giant (and possibly Lego Movie and The Flintstones), the big animated WB properties that didn't originate from CN are all accounted for, more eyes are going towards CN characters for speculation on what animated characters could be next, given Adventure Time and Steven Universe set the precedent that CN characters could happen.
Or two, they, much like me, just really like the characters and want them because of that.

Yeah. Some people are under the assumption that this game is meant to be a sequel to PTE even though it isn't. Plus all the CN reps, both confirmed and datamined, are from the 2010s, so a lot of people want some classic characters in there.

 

[Geoffrey Druyts]

I'm mostly requesting CN chars because I'm not that familiar with other Warner Bros chars.

 

[osby]

I was a Cartoon Network kid growing up and I'd kill for a Punch Time Explosion sequel (that's actually good) but I hope Multiversus don't focus on CN properties too much.

One thing good about the roster so far is how wide the range of properties they belong to and I think it wouldn't be nearly as exciting to draw primarily from a single channel, even as big as it is.

That being said, there are still a lot of great series to pull from than just Adventure Time and Steven Universe so I wouldn't mind if we were to get at least three or four more series in.

 

[RileyXY1]

I was a Cartoon Network kid growing up and I'd kill for a Punch Time Explosion sequel (that's actually good) but I hope Multiversus don't focus on CN properties too much.

One thing good about the roster so far is how wide the range of properties they belong to and I think it wouldn't be nearly as exciting to draw primarily from a single channel, even as big as it is.

That being said, there are still a lot of great series to pull from than just Adventure Time and Steven Universe so I wouldn't mind if we were to get at least three or four more series in.

We're getting Craig from Craig of the Creek in the game according to the datamines. I just hope the post-launch reps keep the train rolling and throw in characters from all kinds of media.

 

[Deleted member]

Once we find out how post launch characters are handled it'll probably give us a good idea of what size they want the end game roster to be. Even a lot of WB characters will require heavy negotiations so they are probably planning far out

 

[Faso115]

Maybe we should think characters with thematics ties to team work. Finn and Jake was a really obvious to start.

Using that logic, no way we aren't getting Scooby Doo.

 

[LimeTH]

Maybe we should think characters with thematics ties to team work. Finn and Jake was a really obvious to start.

Using that logic, no way we aren't getting Scooby Doo.

Well, The Powerpuff Girls. Though I've already said my piece on them.

It's sort of hard to think of anything that isn't a superhero or from a Cartoon Network show, since that's where a lot of WB's team dynamics seem to come from.

I keep thinking maybe the Ghostbusters but that's not WB.