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I figure a good way to make the PPG separate characters would be to split up the powers a little bit, but in a way that still more or less makes sense.

Blossom: Mage. Along with her specialty ice breath, she could be the one to use a few of the things that all three can do such as the laser eyes, forming tornadoes, etc, as well as stuff that fits her more technical character, like fancy flying maneuvers or a counter. Also apparently her bow has a bomb built into it in one episode, so that'd give her a gadget to use.
Bubbles: Support. She'd still have punching. flying and her specialty sonic screams, but also she could provide buffs/debuffs, status effects, and summon Bullet the Squirrel as an assist, in reference to her being able to talk to animals.
Buttercup: Bruiser. Since she has no real unique abilities besides being the best in terms of super strength, she'd be based almost exclusively around bare knuckle brawling, maybe a command grab or something so she's not too basic.
I dunno, I just feel like that's a lot of effort when theoretically you can craft a moveset that works for all three on one. Maybe give their unique powers as perks or something? I dunno. On top of that Superman already has the ice breath so I feel like that'd just be kind of redundant if we want every character to have something unique, which seems to be what they're going for.
 

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I don't think that they'll go for this much fanservice unless the devs are counting on this game suffering the same fate as NASB.
 

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If Sakurai, a game developer with 30+ years of experience, couldn't get a 3-in-1 fighter to work I don't know if anyone else could. So I believe that the Warner siblings and the PPGs would be separated into their own roster slots. PTE did this with the latter.

So let me get this straight.
Your argument is that the Smash devs couldn't work the impossible and get a 3-in-1 fighter to work on the 3ds?
The 3ds which is vastly weaker than the PS4 and Xbox One which are the weakest systems Multiversus will be on. The consoles which are still stronger than the Switch which the game won't release on.


I don't think that they'll go for this much fanservice unless the devs are counting on this game suffering the same fate as NASB.
The entire game is fan service, giving people the characters they want to see is how you keep interest in the game. Between the positive reception all around from the alphas, the free to play aspect of the game and WB holding a tournament at EVO with a $100,000 pot they don't need to worry about that in the slightest.
 

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So let me get this straight.
Your argument is that the Smash devs couldn't work the impossible and get a 3-in-1 fighter to work on the 3ds?
The 3ds which is vastly weaker than the PS4 and Xbox One which are the weakest systems Multiversus will be on. The consoles which are still stronger than the Switch which the game won't release on.




The entire game is fan service, giving people the characters they want to see is how you keep interest in the game. Between the positive reception all around from the alphas, the free to play aspect of the game and WB holding a tournament at EVO with a $100,000 pot they don't need to worry about that in the slightest.
My argument is mostly about the experience of the devs rather than hardware. These devs don't have nearly as much experience as Sakurai does, especially in the realm of platform fighters. They would definitely have trouble getting a 3-in-1 fighter to work. The PSASBR team had to scrap an idea because it proved too intensive for them, namely having Cole change movesets depending on actions done in the match, which caused them to instead separate Good and Evil Cole into their own roster slots. And there's probably more examples of this.
 

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I dunno, I just feel like that's a lot of effort when theoretically you can craft a moveset that works for all three on one. Maybe give their unique powers as perks or something? I dunno. On top of that Superman already has the ice breath so I feel like that'd just be kind of redundant if we want every character to have something unique, which seems to be what they're going for.
Well, yeah, you could do that since they do have some powers in common. Though given they want everyone to be unique I don't see the issue with putting effort towards making the three of them separate.
I never actually got to play it, but I figure if Punch Time Explosion was able to figure it out and that game apparently wasn't even that good, Multiversus could figure it out too.
I guess this is a matter of preference in this instance, I suppose.

If anything, I could probably see the Warner Siblings working as a Pokemon Trainer kind of character, since their shorts usually involve them taking turns pulling off gags on whoever they're bothering, and they're even more similar to each other that the PPG are beyond some defining quirks.

I don't think that they'll go for this much fanservice unless the devs are counting on this game suffering the same fate as NASB.
Crossover fighting games are literally built on fanservice. That's the point. Why would they want to avoid fanservice in a game where that's expected?
 
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Crossover fighting games are literally built on fanservice. That's the point. Why would they want to avoid fanservice in a game where that's expected?
Because they don't need fanservice, unless they suffer massive playerbase retention issues like what NASB is going through right now. Hardly any of Smash Ultimate's DLC characters were well requested in the community.
 
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My argument is mostly about the experience of the devs rather than hardware. These devs don't have nearly as much experience as Sakurai does, especially in the realm of platform fighters. They would definitely have trouble getting a 3-in-1 fighter to work. The PSASBR team had to scrap an idea because it proved too intensive for them, namely having Cole change movesets depending on actions done in the match, which caused them to instead separate Good and Evil Cole into their own roster slots. And there's probably more examples of this.

The context matters
The 3-in-1 fighters were unable to work on the 3ds, there's simply no amount of experience that can change that without a severely compromised game.

Cole is a poor example because that's not how it went. Sucker Punch made the decision, there's nothing anywhere about Development problems.


Because they don't need fanservice, unless they suffer massive playerbase retention issues like what NASB is going through right now. Hardly any of Smash Ultimate's DLC characters were well requested in the community.
The entire game is built on fanservice. Tom has his iconic yells. They've gotten as many actors back as possible. Iron Giant is paired with Superman. There's loads of character interactions. There's plenty of alt costumes based on different iterations of the characters, some have unique voice lines.

This game has fanservice at the core of it.
 
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Because they don't need fanservice, unless they suffer massive playerbase retention issues like what NASB is going through right now. Hardly any of Smash Ultimate's DLC characters were well requested in the community.
What are you talking about? If they're trying to sell people on a crossover fighting game, they need fanservice to sell the game in the first place.

Also, really? Sora? Banjo? Hero? Steve? Hell, I swear people only wanted Rex because they figured he'd come with Pyra.

I don't get it, do you think every platform fighter has to do all the same things as each other? Smash didn't do this so Multiversus won't. Smash did this so Multiversus will do it. etc
 
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This all reminds me of when Vergeben came out of hiding to say that Master Chief would be the next DLC fighter for Smash Ultimate and you know how that turned out.
 

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Hardly any of Smash Ultimate's DLC characters were well requested in the community.
That's just blatantly incorrect. Sora, Banjo, Sephiroth, Steve, and Joker all had pretty sizable to huge pushes for their inclusion; people expected and wanted a character from ARMS, Xeno2, and Tekken, and Dragon Quest is so ****ing huge in Japan to even consider that audience hasn't been begging for it's inclusion for years is ridiculous.

You could maybe make an argument that Terry and Byleth weren't well wanted, but clearly you weren't around during that speculation period, or any previous, because we've been talking about most of these characters for ****ing years.

Look, I don't want to be rude, but you clearly have no idea what you're talking about and seem to just be a force of negativity and contention. Everything anyone says, you have something to say about it in opposition. You're probably a kid, but that kind of behavior isn't going to win people over in this community. Dial it back.
 

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Why should we expect limitations from a console that the game doesn't even releases on? I don't understand your point.
someone was saying that if sakurai couldnt get a 3 in 1 character to work then no one could citing the the fact that the chorus kids seemingly got cut from smash 4. so i pointed out that we had no proof that sakurai couldnt get them to work and more to the point we knew a 2 in 1 character couldnt work on the 3ds despite working on the GC, Wii and Wii U. so the idea that sakurai couldnt do it no one could was based on meaningless conjecture as the only thing that kept them out were the limitations of a console that this game isnt releasing on

This literally makes no sense. Why would the limitations of Smash 4 on the 3DS, an eight year old game on an eleven year old console that was underpowered when it came out, be a factor at all for a brand new game that's releasing on modern hardware?
i dont think you read the whole conversation
 

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Current list of datamined or leaked characters. Credit to Papagenos
If true, this is a pretty massive roster coming out of the gate. Most of the characters on the right box will probably end up being DLC characters as there's no datamined info on them. But still, not counting the negotiation issue characters, having almost 50 characters confirmed out of the gate is pretty insane. If this is true, Multiversus would have the 4th largest roster in any platform fighter game iirc, behind Brawlhalla, Smash 4, and Ultimate. With DLC, they probably have the potential to overtake Brawlhalla and Smash 4 too depending on how well the game does.

Another reason I'm excited for this list is because it would confirm four of my most-wanted characters, so that definitely helps!
 
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I still honestly wonder how Eleven is even in this game if Stranger Things ain't even owned by Warner Bros.

Simply just one of those guest characters similar to those in Mortal Kombat or Negan from Walking Dead in Tekken I suppose?
 
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someone was saying that if sakurai couldnt get a 3 in 1 character to work then no one could citing the the fact that the chorus kids seemingly got cut from smash 4. so i pointed out that we had no proof that sakurai couldnt get them to work and more to the point we knew a 2 in 1 character couldnt work on the 3ds despite working on the GC, Wii and Wii U. so the idea that sakurai couldnt do it no one could was based on meaningless conjecture as the only thing that kept them out were the limitations of a console that this game isnt releasing on



i dont think you read the whole conversation
I did read the whole conversation. Your post was written horribly and said the exact opposite of what you meant. Be more careful.
 

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I did read the whole conversation. Your post was written horribly and said the exact opposite of what you meant. Be more careful.
the fact that I did write my point clearly at first is what makes me think you didn’t otherwise you may have considered the fact that maybe a following post had a spelling error in it or at the very least the first post was the one with the error.
 
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rick and morty cause i cant stand their show and harry and ron cause i dont think we should be giving money to that person
for what urs worth Harry and Ron are apparently currently on hold because of rights issues. Rick and Morty are very likely happening though.
 

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rick and morty cause i cant stand their show and harry and ron cause i dont think we should be giving money to that person
It sucks how one person can ruin a whole franchise like that. I used to be a huge Harry Potter fan as a child, but now that I've grown up, it's hard to support a series owned by a very controversial person.
 

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I believe base roster will be about 23 characters since the datamine caps at character 23. I mean given the model its a fairly reasonable starting point. The rest might be shuffled around for season passes and DLC i guess.

October is gonna be Mortal Kombat's 30th Anniversary so look forward to that.
 

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Y'all clearly don't know how to separate the art from the artist.
I mean for me at least to an extent it depends.

Someone who is a child molester/pedophile like Victor Salva, director of the Jeepers Creepers film or people with child porn pictures like the author of Kenshin Himura.

I'm sorry but I just can't get into such franchises knowing the awful crimes those monsters (As far as I'm concerned they're not human beings) committed.

That's nothing compared to J.K. Rowling.
 
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well if I can ignore bayo and daisy I can ignore them
I always say the best part of a character you hate getting into a fighting game is getting to beat the crap out of them. Here's your chance to take Rick down a peg.

Y'all clearly don't know how to separate the art from the artist.
I was never into it, but from my understanding, it's getting increasingly harder and harder to do that with Harry Potter since the author's views seem to be laced within the book's subtext, and even if it wasn't, supporting the franchise still puts money in the pocket of one of the headlining members of the anti-trans movement, to the point where she got an endorsement by Vladimir Putin of all people.

I can't blame anyone for deciding that's where the line is drawn.
 
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Y'all clearly don't know how to separate the art from the artist.
I personally think separating art from artist is a case-by-case thing, and I don't think we can do it with Potter, as you can actually see traces of her ****ty views in the books

EDIT: also, as others have pointed out, she still gets money from the books and is still actively using her platform to spread hate
 
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You can't separate art from the artist when the artist's own views are prevalent in their art and it goes far, far beyond just a seething hatred for trans people but I'd also add that saying to separate Rowling as a person from her art on a site with a fair few trans members ain't exactly smart.

Rowling's rhetoric has caused people to commit suicide so miss me with that ****.
 
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At the very least personally I feel like Ron shouldn't be here. I can understand that the dev would want Harry eventually for how big the franchise his and his moveset, but having 2 characters would just feels too much for a controversial franchise.

Personally I wouldn't mind that much Harry but I can understand why people would hate seeing him here. The argument to separate the author from the art is stupid when we know she's still alive and making money of these thing.
 

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I always say the best part of a character you hate getting into a fighting game is getting to beat the crap out of them. Here's your chance to take Rick down a peg.
well when you put it like that

I was never into it, but from my understanding, it's getting increasingly harder and harder to do that with Harry Potter since the author's views seem to be laced within the book's subtext, and even if it wasn't, supporting the franchise still puts money in the pocket of one of the headlining members of the anti-trans movement, to the point where she got an endorsement by Vladimir Putin of all people.
I was never into it, but from my understanding, it's getting increasingly harder and harder to do that with Harry Potter since the author's views seem to be laced within the book's subtext, and even if it wasn't, supporting the franchise still puts money in the pocket of one of the headlining members of the anti-trans movement, to the point where she got an endorsement by Vladimir Putin of all people.

I can't blame anyone for deciding that's where the line is drawn.
oh yeah, that was odd
 

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It’s easy to separate art from the artist when you’re not part of the marginalized group that the artist is crusading against. This isn’t an HP Lovecraft scenario where the author is long dead and it’s possible to consume their work without directly supporting their **** beliefs. Rowling is still around and using her platform to embolden transphobes. She’s actively hurting trans people by donating to anti-trans groups and platforming other transphobes. Supporting her work has direct consequences on our community and choosing to ignore that is privileged as ****. So sorry if I don’t feel comfortable supporting someone who’s actively advocating for my oppression.
 

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I admit that separating art from the artist is more of a “depends” situation though in this case it is basically impossible.

All I will say on the matter is I do expect content from the franchise in the game (despite the recent reception it is still a highly profitable franchise for WB), but I don’t expect a high reception toward the content (I expect more of a mixed reception, with the reception in places such as here being negative but the silent majority may have a more positive reaction. Bear in mind I’m speaking generally.)

In unrelated news:

Gameplay of the Ninja OC appears to have leaked. I can’t tell if the gameplay is real or fabricated since the gameplay has Steven’s image as the portrait, but the character is definitely not Steven.
 

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Separating the art from the artist is really only a thing when you can enjoy said art without benefiting said artist. Otherwise, there's not really a separation.

Take NASB, for example. John Kricfalusi is an absolutely wretched human being and a known sexual abuser. But there wasn't much of an uproar when Ren and Stimpy got into Nickelodeon All-Star Brawl, because Kricfalusi doesn't see a cent of the money, as he doesn't own the rights to the series. Likewise, if in a hypothetical scenario Disney made a platform fighter, I'd still be pushing for Woody and Buzz to be in despite being made by John Lasseter, and that's again because he wouldn't see a dime.

Hell, I know some folks who had held off from playing Dragon Quest but recently finally did so because the dumpster fire of a composer finally died, meaning they could enjoy the games without either pirating or lining the pockets of an alt-right war crime denier and LGBTphobe.

And that's why the issue with Rowling and the Wizarding World isn't nearly as easy to "separate the art from the artist." Any purchase of a product under the Harry Potter license is directly paying one of the most famous and infamous anti-trans bigots on the planet.
 
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