Social Mother of the Cosmos: Rosalina [General/Social] Thread (Closed)

[Tino]

Not really. Using childish remarks as a way to come back won't save you.

You have no right to flame me (or others) in a personal way , so please learn some respect and grow up already , this is beyond normal standards.

Right back at ya.

 

[Shirma Akayaku]

Okay, so I tried to send my replay online from the 3DS, but it says "You've reached the posting limit for today". However I never even posted a replay online today. The same thing is happening with photos. Is the Nintendo Network doing maintenance? Is this a glitch? Is it just me?

 

[mario123007]

Okay, so I tried to send my replay online from the 3DS, but it says "You've reached the posting limit for today". However I never even posted a replay online today. The same thing is happening with photos. Is the Nintendo Network doing maintenance? Is this a glitch? Is it just me?

It had happened to me a while ago when I had just updated my Smash 3DS and want to send some stuff online, but now it's fine. You haven't post anything for months right? Just wait for a couple of days and see how it goes.

Edit:
"Sigh" This makes me sad:

*removed for censor dodging*

 

[Warlock*G]

I already got it LOL~

And was there any evidence or source to prove that they were once thinking to make Rosalina as Peach's sibling?

I'm willing to get those myself if I ever get the chance.

The only thing toxic around here is your sarcastic and girlish responses.

Not really. Using childish remarks as a way to come back won't save you.

You have no right to flame me (or others) in a personal way , so please learn some respect and grow up already , this is beyond normal standards.

 

[ChikoLad]

It had happened to me a while ago when I had just updated my Smash 3DS and want to send some stuff online, but now it's fine. You haven't post anything for months right? Just wait for a couple of days and see how it goes.

Edit:
"Sigh" This makes me sad:

What makes it worse is that mariotehplumber is waving this around like crazy.

 

[TriTails]

Rosalina & Luma are fairly annoying characters in Smash 4 (But I main Luigi. So yeah...), but tbh I don't see that as a strong reason to hate her.

 

[ChikoLad]

Rosalina aren't inherently annoying, people just kinda bandwagon against her. Everyone has characters they personally find annoying to fight (in my case, Jigglypuff. And under online conditions with lag, a lot more characters, though mainly Dedede).

 

[TriTails]

Luma's presence just simply ticks people off when 'Oh, I grabbed her and down throw. Time to fol-', *gets slapped by Luma*.

I'm 95% sure this applies to almost every character in the game. As long as you are between Rosalina and Luma you can never rest easy lol.

 

[ChikoLad]

True, but that's simply a unique trait of Rosalina, and she's not the only character who can punish a punish. Yoshi gets super armour from his double jump, Mac gets it from his Smashes, etc. It's just an element you have to consider when fighting her.

 

[Shirma Akayaku]

I almost feel like if Ice Climbers were in the game, people wouldn't complain about Rosalina & Luma so much. It would have taken a little weight off their shoulders.

 

[BJN39]

I almost feel like if Ice Climbers were in the game, people wouldn't complain about Rosalina & Luma so much. It would have taken a little weight off their shoulders.

People made similar complaints allday about ICs.


People would still entirely mind Rosalina. There would pretty much just be two-times the complaints.

 

[ChikoLad]

People made similar complaints allday about ICs.


People would still entirely mind Rosalina. There would pretty much just be two-times the complaints.

I would have to disagree on the basis that if ICs were in the game (with more or less the same gameplay as in past games), there would be much more IC players than Rosalina players due to them being a veteran that people don't have to re-learn, so ICs would get the flak more than Rosalina & Luma.

Heck, even without ICs, not many people use Rosalina & Luma at a high level, because she isn't strictly rushdown/camping, which are the two extremes preferred in competitive play. They're unique and fundamentally different altogether, which turns people away from playing as her, and is also what makes people struggle to adapt to her as an opponent.

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Some Rosalina fan blog on Tumblr is in need of new owner ship. I can't take it over, but I thought I'd post here just in case anyone can:
http://awyeahrosalina.tumblr.com/post/122251574307/rosalina-fans

 

[BJN39]

I would have to disagree on the basis that if ICs were in the game (with more or less the same gameplay as in past games), there would be much more IC players than Rosalina players due to them being a veteran that people don't have to re-learn, so ICs would get the flak more than Rosalina & Luma.

Well, let's assume that ICs were in the game since the release, you'd be right until people discover what Rosalina is/was capable of. If it was any time after 1.0.4, Rosalina would still likely be dirty crazy good 1.0.3 Rosie. Then she'd get complaint hell, and end up about where she is. I would only see it delaying the inevitable.

Also, of course there would be people who'd play ICs first, but those wouldn't be potential Rosalina mains. As far as I see it the playerbase here wasn't here first for her gameplay style, but for their love of Rosalina. I'd bet even if she'd been bad since the beginning (AND ICs existed.) many of the users here would still be maining or playing Rosalina.

I mean, like, see: Zelda boards/actual Zelda mains. If we cared more about the viability of our character we would ALL have dropped Zelda by now. She was nerfed HEAVILY from Brawl (If that can even be comprehended.) and we're mostly still around.

 

[ChikoLad]

Well, let's assume that ICs were in the game since the release, you'd be right until people discover what Rosalina is/was capable of. If it was any time after 1.0.4, Rosalina would still likely be dirty crazy good 1.0.3 Rosie. Then she'd get complaint hell, and end up about where she is. I would only see it delaying the inevitable.

Also, of course there would be people who'd play ICs first, but those wouldn't be potential Rosalina mains. As far as I see it the playerbase here wasn't here first for her gameplay style, but for their love of Rosalina. I'd bet even if she'd been bad since the beginning (AND ICs existed.) many of the users here would still be maining or playing Rosalina.

I mean, like, see: Zelda boards/actual Zelda mains. If we cared more about the viability of our character we would ALL have dropped Zelda by now. She was nerfed HEAVILY from Brawl (If that can even be comprehended.) and we're mostly still around.

The ironic thing about that first part is that 1.0.4 Rosalina is better than 1.0.3 Rosalina. They raised her skill floor and skill ceiling, basically meaning "she's harder to use but her potential is much greater if you put the time in".

Also if we talk about Smashboards, then yeah most of Rosalina's playerbase is just people who loved the character elsewhere. However, most of us here don't/can't compete in tournaments for whatever reason, so we're insignificant to what people are complaining about. People are complaining about the tournament players (mostly Dabuz, as he's the one who plays really defensively) because they don't find them fun to watch, or because they compete in tournaments and can't beat the character.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Luma's presence just simply ticks people off when 'Oh, I grabbed her and down throw. Time to fol-', *gets slapped by Luma*.

I'm 95% sure this applies to almost every character in the game. As long as you are between Rosalina and Luma you can never rest easy lol.

Sadly, the Luma can't do "anything" if Rosalina gets grabbed and thrown, which means the opponent can still take advantage of Rosalina's vulnerability, while the Luma does nothing but panic.

I almost feel like if Ice Climbers were in the game, people wouldn't complain about Rosalina & Luma so much. It would have taken a little weight off their shoulders.

The two don't even play alike though. Rosalina can afford to be separated from the Luma, but Popo and Nana need to stick together at all costs.

 

[ChikoLad]

Sadly, the Luma can't do "anything" if Rosalina gets grabbed and thrown, which means the opponent can still take advantage of Rosalina's vulnerability, while the Luma does nothing but panic.



The two don't even play alike though. Rosalina can afford to be separated from the Luma, but Popo and Nana need to stick together at all costs.

Luma can act while the grab animation is happening, and can buffer attacks before the throw happens. He can also punish after the throw depending on Rosalina's percentage and the throws end-lag.

 

[SapphSabre777]

Hi guys and gals! How's everything going?

Having been given ownership of the MU Thread for Kirby, I want to get as much output from both sides. If you can, please give us your input on this thread in regards to the match-up with Kirby. Thank you very much, and may the stars shine upon you, Rosa mains!

 

[Lorde]

The ironic thing about that first part is that 1.0.4 Rosalina is better than 1.0.3 Rosalina. They raised her skill floor and skill ceiling, basically meaning "she's harder to use but her potential is much greater if you put the time in".

Would you mind explaining this because I don't understand. Pre-1.0.4 Rosalina was insane and had options for basically every situation. As much as I love Rosalina, she definitely to be nerfed as much as she was.

If you're referring to the fact that 1.0.4 made Luma return faster to Rosalina and made uncharged Luma Shot travel a smaller distance, then I don't think those changes were more significant than the heavy nerfs she received.

 

[ChikoLad]

Would you mind explaining this because I don't understand. Pre-1.0.4 Rosalina was insane and had options for basically every situation. As much as I love Rosalina, she definitely to be nerfed as much as she was.

If you're referring to the fact that 1.0.4 made Luma return faster to Rosalina and made uncharged Luma Shot travel a smaller distance, then I don't think those changes were more significant than the heavy nerfs she received.

N-air got much better utility and Luma's controls in general (including the two things you mentioned) became a lot smoother in general.

Everything else was minor in comparison. Like I said, she was too easy to use before. Now she's harder to use, but her overall potential is greater.

 

[Lorde]

Now she's harder to use, but her overall potential is greater.

This is the part I'm not understanding. How can she have more potential if the character herself isn't as good as she was pre-nerfs?

Like, 1.0.3 Rosalina had potential to be in the top 2. Now, top 5 is looking like the highest she'll get (and I don't even believe she's top 5).

 

[memoryman3]

This is the part I'm not understanding. How can she have more potential if the character herself isn't as good as she was pre-nerfs?

Like, 1.0.3 Rosalina had potential to be in the top 2. Now, top 5 is looking like the highest she'll get (and I don't even believe she's top 5).

She's definitely top 5 after the others around her got nerfed such as Diddy Kong and Sonic.

 

[Lorde]

She's definitely top 5 after the others around her got nerfed such as Diddy Kong and Sonic.

exist too

Diddy and Sonic are also still very good characters.

 

[mario123007]

What makes it worse is that mariotehplumber is waving this around like crazy.

If you check his E3 review video, it as worst as his old review videos, I only think that most people will agree him of the Nintendo Digital Event part. But NWC and Smash Bros? Oh boy, I doubt he had seen 1990 NWC, and what he said about the artwork is gonna pissed a lot of Street Fighter fans.

I almost feel like if Ice Climbers were in the game, people wouldn't complain about Rosalina & Luma so much. It would have taken a little weight off their shoulders.

YES! That's why they should be back! They were one of my mains!

Rosalina aren't inherently annoying, people just kinda bandwagon against her. Everyone has characters they personally find annoying to fight (in my case, Jigglypuff. And under online conditions with lag, a lot more characters, though mainly Dedede).

Yup, like me, I think Robin, Marth,Lucina, Lucario are annoying to fight. Ganondorf online is also annoying as well....

 

[ChikoLad]

This is the part I'm not understanding. How can she have more potential if the character herself isn't as good as she was pre-nerfs?

Like, 1.0.3 Rosalina had potential to be in the top 2. Now, top 5 is looking like the highest she'll get (and I don't even believe she's top 5).

She is better though? Like maybe not Rosalina herself, but Rosalina & Luma as pair, definitely. Half of the shenanigans you can do with them now weren't possible before, as Luma was too unreliable. And her N-air getting a launch power reduction was great because it have her an aerial combo linker.

The fact Luma is more reliable now means you have to learn how to do more than just keep him by your side. But that opens up endless possibilities.

exist too

Diddy and Sonic are also still very good characters.

Literally none of those characters have a positive match-up against her, ESPECIALLY not Falcon. Rosalina completely shuts him down altogether.

She's easily the best character in the game in terms of raw potential, ESPECIALLY after all of the nerfs other characters received (Falcon included). The only reason she is only second to Sheik on tier lists is because there are tons of Sheik players since she's so easy to use.

 

[Tino]

If you check his E3 review video, it as worst as his old review videos, I only think that most people will agree him of the Nintendo Digital Event part. But NWC and Smash Bros? Oh boy, I doubt he had seen 1990 NWC, and what he said about the artwork is gonna pissed a lot of Street Fighter fans.

What did he say about the artwork?

YES! That's why they should be back! They were one of my mains!

**** them!

Yup, like me, I think Robin, Marth,Lucina, Lucario are annoying to fight. Ganondorf online is also annoying as well....

Me personally, I find Kirby, Jigglypuff, Sonic and DeDeDe annoying to fight against.

 

[Lorde]

She is better though? Like maybe not Rosalina herself, but Rosalina & Luma as pair, definitely. Half of the shenanigans you can do with them now weren't possible before, as Luma was too unreliable. And her N-air getting a launch power reduction was great because it have her an aerial combo linker.

The fact Luma is more reliable now means you have to learn how to do more than just keep him by your side. But that opens up endless possibilities.



Literally none of those characters have a positive match-up against her, ESPECIALLY not Falcon. Rosalina completely shuts him down altogether.

She's easily the best character in the game in terms of raw potential, ESPECIALLY after all of the nerfs other characters received (Falcon included). The only reason she is only second to Sheik on tier lists is because there are tons of Sheik players since she's so easy to use.

As far as I know, Luma's AI has not been touched at all so how was it made more reliable? Again, the 1.0.4 Luma changes weren't as significant as you seem to think they are (at least in my opinion).

I'm not going to go into MU discussion with any of you on here, but I will say that the game is way too young to accurately determine actual match up numbers and such. Sure, you can get a general sense of them, but what if a certain undiscovered tech heavily affects how a match up plays?

However, the largest reason I don't want to discuss MUs is that your (as in the Rosalina board's) way of thinking regarding MU discussion is inherently flawed. It mostly seems to go like, "Rosalina has superior range, so she wins this match up," which simply is close-minded and wrong. It also appears that many of you are basing MUs on personal experience, not high level play. FG and wifi are awful places to get experience from because lag significantly affects almost everything and players skill varies wildly. Personally, I believe Rosalina loses to almost all of the characters I listed, but I have not seen much high level play of these match ups and even then, my opinion is meaningless because I'm just a random person who happens to play smash. Also, many of the Rosalina mains are biased to the point where they believe that Rosalina doesn't lose to anyone, which is silly and untrue. Many of you need to open your eyes and become level-headed. Rosalina is not some unbeatable deity that conquers all. She has exploitable flaws that some characters to take advantage of.

This is unrelated, but the fact that many of you believe that Rosalina completely shuts down Captain Falcon is hilarious. Sure, he has an exploitable recovery, but his neutral and advantaged states are far superior to Rosalina's. The fact that he's rush down-oriented means a good Falcon should pose a threat to Rosalina.

tl;dr don't let your love for a character blind you and remember to keep a level head

 

[ChikoLad]

As far as I know, Luma's AI has not been touched at all so how was it made more reliable? Again, the 1.0.4 Luma changes weren't as significant as you seem to think they are (at least in my opinion).

I'm not going to go into MU discussion with any of you on here, but I will say that the game is way too young to accurately determine actual match up numbers and such. Sure, you can get a general sense of them, but what if a certain undiscovered tech heavily affects how a match up plays?

However, the largest reason I don't want to discus MUs is that your (as in the Rosalina board's) way of thinking regarding MU discussion is inherently flawed. It mostly seems to go like, "Rosalina has superior range, so she wins this match up," which simply is close-minded and wrong. It also appears that many of you are basing MUs on personal experience, not high level play. FG and wifi are awful places to get experience from because lag significantly affects almost everything and players skill varies wildly. Personally, I believe Rosalina loses to almost all of the characters I listed, but I have not seen much high level play of these match ups and even then, my opinion is meaningless because I'm just a random person who happens to play smash. Also, many of the Rosalina mains are biased to the point where they believe that Rosalina doesn't lose to anyone, which is silly and untrue. Many of you need to open your eyes and become level-headed. Rosalina is not some unbeatable deity that conquers all. She has exploitable flaws that some characters to take advantage of.

This is unrelated, but the fact that many of you believe that Rosalina completely shuts down Captain Falcon is hilarious. Sure, he has an exploitable recovery, but his neutral and advantaged states are far superior to Rosalina's. The fact that he's rush down-oriented means a good Falcon should pose a threat to Rosalina.

tl;dr don't let your love for a character blind you and remember to keep a level head

I mean I was about to legitimately make a counter-argument.

But then you said "but I haven't seen any high level play of match-ups/I'm not that great at the game".

So you kinda lost credibility at that point.

Also the way you say we hold our match-up discussions is the wrong way around. We've been talking against that for ages, if you actually read the threads. It's mostly mains of other characters that do that.

But yeah I don't need to say much more and prove your other statements wrong because you basically admitted to having no credibility. Don't tell me not to be "blinded by love for the character" when you literally don't even attempt to give yourself credibility, that just comes off as you trying to pick a fight for no reason.

EDIT: Also, if I based my opinion on Rosalina on FG, then I wouldn't rank her very high. Rosalina is near impossible to use effectively with lag, more so than pretty much every other character.

 

[mario123007]

What did he say about the artwork?

**** them!

Me personally, I find Kirby, Jigglypuff, Sonic and DeDeDe annoying to fight against.

OH you know! Just his saying that why they add many hentai stuff, just because there's no Luigi, and Mario, added ZSS, Rosalina and Palutena. He even mock the artist a "waifu ***" (Oh my god, he mock Akira Yasuda, who is way more older than him, a waifu ***, can you believe that? Edit: what he said is censored in Smashboards, so go check it out by yourself.)
Stupid video right here, and if anyone say this is another act. No he replied to me and say he is serious. If he is serious, then this video sucks, if not serious, still sucks.
I rarely fight with Kirby and Sonic, KingDeDeDe, however, yeah, he is a pain.

Try to point out every fail point of this video, he not just mock Rosalina, he mocks everything what Nintendo did at E3.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

Rosalina is a heavyweight

Talk **** get fit *******

Wiifittrainer.jpg

 

[mario123007]

Rosalina is a heavyweight

Talk **** get fit *******

Wiifittrainer.jpg

"Sigh" Got a warning... thanks a lot MTP...

 

[ChikoLad]

Rosalina is a heavyweight

Talk **** get fit *******

Wiifittrainer.jpg

I can't believe you're still bitter about that.

 

[KuroganeHammer]

"Sigh" Got a warning... thanks a lot MTP...

I don't understand sorry?

 

[BJN39]

I mean I was about to legitimately make a counter-argument.

But then you said "but I haven't seen any high level play of match-ups/I'm not that great at the game".

So you kinda lost credibility at that point.

Also the way you say we hold our match-up discussions is the wrong way around. We've been talking against that for ages, if you actually read the threads. It's mostly mains of other characters that do that.

But yeah I don't need to say much more and prove your other statements wrong because you basically admitted to having no credibility. Don't tell me not to be "blinded by love for the character" when you literally don't even attempt to give yourself credibility, that just comes off as you trying to pick a fight for no reason.

With this level of condescension, I'd like to see your credibility card please. You literally won't respond to being called out on your strong opinions sometimes because something hasn't met your standard. As far as I'm (And many others are) concerned your opinions can't be taken seriously either.

 

[mario123007]

I don't understand sorry?

No, it's nothing...

 

[KuroganeHammer]

I can't believe you're still bitter about that.

Not bitter, I just bring it up because everytime you end up being wrong in an argument, you hold on to it like your life depends on it.

 

[Tino]

OH you know! Just his saying that why they add many hentai stuff, just because there's no Luigi, and Mario, added ZSS, Rosalina and Palutena. He even mock the artist a "waifu ***" (Oh my god, he mock Akira Yasuda, who is way more older than him, a waifu ***, can you believe that? Edit: what he said is censored in Smashboards, so go check it out by yourself.)
Stupid video right here, and if anyone say this is another act. No he replied to me and say he is serious. If he is serious, then this video sucks, if not serious, still sucks.
I rarely fight with Kirby and Sonic, KingDeDeDe, however, yeah, he is a pain.
Try to point out every fail point of this video, he not just mock Rosalina, he mocks everything what Nintendo did at E3.

Welp...it's official. That guy is officially on crack.

 

[Lorde]

I mean I was about to legitimately make a counter-argument.

But then you said "but I haven't seen any high level play of match-ups/I'm not that great at the game".

So you kinda lost credibility at that point.

Also the way you say we hold our match-up discussions is the wrong way around. We've been talking against that for ages, if you actually read the threads. It's mostly mains of other characters that do that.

But yeah I don't need to say much more and prove your other statements wrong because you basically admitted to having no credibility. Don't tell me not to be "blinded by love for the character" when you literally don't even attempt to give yourself credibility, that just comes off as you trying to pick a fight for no reason.

EDIT: Also, if I based my opinion on Rosalina on FG, then I wouldn't rank her very high. Rosalina is near impossible to use effectively with lag, more so than pretty much every other character.

I've been following the Rosalina MU thread for a while and it does go like I described. I've even seen you throw out ridiculous numbers with no explanation. There was someone who said that Rosalina has a 100:0 MU against Ganondorf not all that long ago.

And I don't understand why you're pretending like you're above me because you're literally as irrelevant as I am. Neither of us matter to the smash scene, so I why should I have to pretend l'm some expert? You don't have any credibility for anything you say, so why is it so important that I have to? Gorl, get off your high horse because you mean as little as I do.

lol I can't even state my opinions without being accused of trying to pick a fight.

As for the whole "blinded by the love for your character" thing, I'm just going to come out and say it: that accurately describes the majority of the Rosalina boards. I am unsure how it came to be, but many of you like the character so much that you all believe that she is superior to everyone else and therefore cannot lose to anyone. Things such as saying she the best character in the game and has the greatest potential by far are all offshoots of this belief. To an outsider, the Rosalina boards are a cult that is better to avoid.

Rosalina is definitely one of the easier characters to use in lag because she can throw out hitboxes for free because lol Luma. Sure, characters like Falcon and Dedede benefit from lag more than her, but she's up there too. If you want a character that is hit hard by lag, Greninja is destroyed by it.

 

[Nadeko Sengoku]

I've been following the Rosalina MU thread for a while and it does go like I described. I've even seen you throw out ridiculous numbers with no explanation. There was someone who said that Rosalina has a 100:0 MU against Ganondorf not all that long ago.

And I don't understand why you're pretending like you're above me because you're literally as irrelevant as I am. Neither of us matter to the smash scene, so I why should I have to pretend l'm some expert? You don't have any credibility for anything you say, so why is it so important that I have to? Gorl, get off your high horse because you mean as little as I do.

lol I can't even state my opinions without being accused of trying to pick a fight.

As for the whole "blinded by the love for your character" thing, I'm just going to come out and say it: that accurately describes the majority of the Rosalina boards. I am unsure how it came to be, but many of you like the character so much that you all believe that she is superior to everyone else and therefore cannot lose to anyone. Things such as saying she the best character in the game and has the greatest potential by far are all offshoots of this belief. To an outsider, the Rosalina boards are a cult that is better to avoid.

Rosalina is definitely one of the easier characters to use in lag because she can throw out hitboxes for free because lol Luma. Sure, characters like Falcon and Dedede benefit from lag more than her, but she's up there too. If you want a character that is hit hard by lag, Greninja is destroyed by it.

I don't think that Rosalina & Luma are unbeatable but in many of these MU discussions other character mains get in there and pretend like their character just walks all over Rosalina and she can do nothing about it. Naturally when someone tries to point out what Rosalina can do, it's often taken as "SHE IS THE BEST AND NO ONE CAN BEAT HER!" when that's not the point some people are trying to make. Sure, there are Rosalina mains that do think she is above and beyond all other characters, BUT THIS EXIST IN EVERY OTHER BOARD, not just this one.

 

[IsmaR]

The majority of other character boards are extremely pessimistic.

Even "top tier" ones.

 

[mario123007]

Welp...it's official. That guy is officially on crack.

Yep, so I'm not that surprised. I'm pissed, but not surprised.

The majority of other character boards are extremely pessimistic.

Even "top tier" ones.

Really? I think most of them are ok.

I don't think that Rosalina & Luma are unbeatable but in many of these MU discussions other character mains get in there and pretend like their character just walks all over Rosalina and she can do nothing about it. Naturally when someone tries to point out what Rosalina can do, it's often taken as "SHE IS THE BEST AND NO ONE CAN BEAT HER!" when that's not the point some people are trying to make. Sure, there are Rosalina mains that do think she is above and beyond all other characters, BUT THIS EXIST IN EVERY OTHER BOARD, not just this one.

I don't really understand what are @ ChikoLad and @ Lorde are discussing about... I kind of lost there.